Re: PDP-11 Memory
Hi Bill, I have a bunch of both DEC and compatible memories, and extra CPUs. If you need anything, contact me off list. Thanks, Paul On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 12:49 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Well, I have decided to stop playing with my hardware for a while and > get back to playing with software. :-) > > In order to do this I am building three (maybe four) > PDP-11's. I have an 11/93, an 11/73 and an 11/23+ > (and maybe another 11/23 or 11/73). BUt, I have run > into a small problem. Memory. (both the systems and > me!) > > My 11/93 has 2 meg internal and I would like to bring > it up to 4 meg. The others I would like to see with > 4 meg if possible. (except the last one which I may > deliberately keep at 128KW.) > > I have a number of different memory modules. Mostly > DEC but a couple third party. Here's the problem. > None of them are reflected in any of the documentation > I have been able to find so I can't configure them away > from their defaults! > > Here's a list of numbers: > > M7551-AC - All the docs I can find seem to refer to > AA or AB and jumpers and switches are not > in the same locations. > > M8067-LB > M8067-LF > M8067-LJ - Same problem. I can find no documentation > for any -L boards and these don't even resemble > the pictures I find. > > And then I have two non-DEC module that are unlikely to > have any documentation still floating around for. > > Camintonn CMV-1000 -- As funny as it sounds, this one > looks more like a DEC MSV11-QA > then the DEC ones do, but not exactly. > > And one who's maker is only identified by a logo that > looks like 2 interlaced stylized S's. Model Number > is: 980110014-201 Rev E. > > Anybody got any pointers to help me configure some of this stuff? > > bill >
Re: Bellmac 8 Tutor on ebay
> On January 11, 2019 at 10:57 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk > wrote: > > > (OK I TRY THIS AGAIN!) > > THIS BELL MAC YOU SHOW IS VERY SCARCE ACTUALLY! > IT IS REALLY GREAT THAT IT HAS A MANUAL AND LIGHTS UP! > Yeah. It took all the discipline I had not to bid on it. I hope someone on the list gets it. Will > > In a message dated 1/11/2019 8:48:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > VERY SCARE ACTUALLY. AND GREAT IT HAS A MANUAL AND LIGHTS UP > In a message dated 1/11/2019 8:12:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:I stumbled on this on > ebay:https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bell-Laboratories-MAC-8-Processor-Tutor-1977-vintage-/202558325147Thought > someone here might be interested. I have no affiliation.Will"He may look > dumb but that's just a disguise." -- Charlie Daniels > "The names of global variables should start with // " -- > https://isocpp.org "He may look dumb but that's just a disguise." -- Charlie Daniels "The names of global variables should start with // " -- https://isocpp.org
Re: Bellmac 8 Tutor on ebay
(OK I TRY THIS AGAIN!) THIS BELL MAC YOU SHOW IS VERY SCARCE ACTUALLY! IT IS REALLY GREAT THAT IT HAS A MANUAL AND LIGHTS UP! In a message dated 1/11/2019 8:48:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: VERY SCARE ACTUALLY. AND GREAT IT HAS A MANUAL AND LIGHTS UP In a message dated 1/11/2019 8:12:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:I stumbled on this on ebay:https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bell-Laboratories-MAC-8-Processor-Tutor-1977-vintage-/202558325147Thought someone here might be interested. I have no affiliation.Will"He may look dumb but that's just a disguise." -- Charlie Daniels "The names of global variables should start with // " -- https://isocpp.org
Re: Bellmac 8 Tutor on ebay
VERY SCARE ACTUALLY. AND GREAT IT HAS A MANUAL AND LIGHTS UP In a message dated 1/11/2019 8:12:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I stumbled on this on ebay:https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bell-Laboratories-MAC-8-Processor-Tutor-1977-vintage-/202558325147Thought someone here might be interested. I have no affiliation.Will "He may look dumb but that's just a disguise." -- Charlie Daniels "The names of global variables should start with // " -- https://isocpp.org
Bellmac 8 Tutor on ebay
I stumbled on this on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bell-Laboratories-MAC-8-Processor-Tutor-1977-vintage-/202558325147 Thought someone here might be interested. I have no affiliation. Will "He may look dumb but that's just a disguise." -- Charlie Daniels "The names of global variables should start with // " -- https://isocpp.org
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 6:24 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > > On Jan 11, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:11 PM Adrian Graham via cctalk > > wrote: > >> It’s going back severalteen years now but I’m pretty sure I built a > Micro 73 into a BA123, it’s a CD22 backplane after all. I still have all > the cards AND the BA123 but I’m supposed to be turning it back into the > MVII it was originally, back in 1986 when it was called FRUIT. > > > > It will definitely work, but I just wasn't sure about what types of > > CPUs _DEC_ stuffed into a BA123 and sold out the front door. > > > > -ethan > > My /73 was originally a MicroVAX II at Tektronix. After I got it, I > turned it into a PDP-11 after getting a VAXstation 3100. > > I’m pretty sure you could get the /23+, /53, /73, /83, and /93 in either a > BA23 or a BA123. I have an actual badged BA23 pedestal for my /23+. > Not sure about the /53, but I've seen /73s and /83s in BA23 for sure, and a /83s in BA123. Our VAXstation II was in a BA23 we converted to rack mount, and I've seen lots of MicroVAX IIs in BA123 cases. Warner
Re: PDP-11 Memory
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:11 PM Adrian Graham via cctalk > wrote: >> It’s going back severalteen years now but I’m pretty sure I built a Micro 73 >> into a BA123, it’s a CD22 backplane after all. I still have all the cards >> AND the BA123 but I’m supposed to be turning it back into the MVII it was >> originally, back in 1986 when it was called FRUIT. > > It will definitely work, but I just wasn't sure about what types of > CPUs _DEC_ stuffed into a BA123 and sold out the front door. > > -ethan My /73 was originally a MicroVAX II at Tektronix. After I got it, I turned it into a PDP-11 after getting a VAXstation 3100. I’m pretty sure you could get the /23+, /53, /73, /83, and /93 in either a BA23 or a BA123. I have an actual badged BA23 pedestal for my /23+. Zane
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:11 PM Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: > It’s going back severalteen years now but I’m pretty sure I built a Micro 73 > into a BA123, it’s a CD22 backplane after all. I still have all the cards AND > the BA123 but I’m supposed to be turning it back into the MVII it was > originally, back in 1986 when it was called FRUIT. It will definitely work, but I just wasn't sure about what types of CPUs _DEC_ stuffed into a BA123 and sold out the front door. -ethan
Re: PDP-11 Memory
> On 11 Jan 2019, at 23:59, Ethan Dicks via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:39 PM Pete Turnbull via cctalk > wrote: >>> Mine are all BA23. Wasn't the BA123 for the MicroVAX? >> >> No, it was introduced for the microPDP-11 series, and only later used >> for MicroVAX and MicroVAX-II. There are many microPDP-11/83 machines in >> BA123 cabinets, it was a very popular option because of the space for >> storage devices and the extra backplane slots. > > Hmm... I did not know they put the 11/83 in a BA123. It makes sense > since, as you say, there's room for storage devices and plenty of > slots. It’s going back severalteen years now but I’m pretty sure I built a Micro 73 into a BA123, it’s a CD22 backplane after all. I still have all the cards AND the BA123 but I’m supposed to be turning it back into the MVII it was originally, back in 1986 when it was called FRUIT. -- adrian/witchy Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:39 PM Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote: > > Mine are all BA23. Wasn't the BA123 for the MicroVAX? > > No, it was introduced for the microPDP-11 series, and only later used > for MicroVAX and MicroVAX-II. There are many microPDP-11/83 machines in > BA123 cabinets, it was a very popular option because of the space for > storage devices and the extra backplane slots. Hmm... I did not know they put the 11/83 in a BA123. It makes sense since, as you say, there's room for storage devices and plenty of slots. The first BA123 system I ever saw was a KA630/uVAX-II in 1986. We put Ultrix T-2.0 on it and ran it for several years. -ethan
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:51 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > Mine are all BA23. Wasn't the BA123 for the MicroVAX? As sold, most likely. I don't think DEC ever configured any MicroPDP systems in a BA123 but no reason it doesn't work. I got an empty BA123 a while back and when I get a nice KDJ11 board, I'll load it up. I already have a KA610 and KA630 in BA23 boxes. -ethan
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On 11/01/2019 19:59, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: MicroPDP box has first three slots A-B-C-D to support PMI memory and the rest are serpentine A-B. Even giving a bus grant problem, I can't see that causing a CSR error. I will probably have to dig out another box this weekend just to be sure there isn't a problem with the backplane. Without knowing exactly what cards you've got in there, it's hard to tell. There are quad-height cards that work only in straight (A.B.C.D) backplanes/slots, and quad cards that work in either straight or serpentine. There are cards that use or expect (or won't permit) certain signals on some pins which work fine in 18-bit backplanes but not 22-bit. There are things that will work in a BA11-S with H9276 backplane (which is what you had, if it really was a PDP-11/23plus) but not a BA23. You probably need to make a list of what you're using and check through the relevant Micronotes about compatibility. BTW, BA23 and BA123 microPDP-11 backplanes aren't the same - it's the first 4 slots that differ in a BA123, and slot 13 is different again. Take a look at http://www.dunnington.info/public/PDP-11/QBus_chassis -- Pete Pete Turnbull
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On 1/11/19 11:28 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Well, it has been so long since I had to put together an entire system I forgot what fun it can be. With almost documentation I was able to configure 4 1meg memory modules and I tested them all in my 11/23+ box. KDJ11-B with 4 different (but similar) memory cards. "MAP" option of the KDJ11 shows 4 meg (minus the I/O Page) and all the right CSR's for the first four blocks. Really wanted to make this a deskside so I moved the cards to a MicroPDP box (Yes, I have a coule of the deskside pedestals). Power on, Memory CSR error. Move then back to the 11/23+ works fine. If I only put the first three in the MicroPDP box it works. But as soon as I try to put in a fourth module I get the memory CSR error. Tried different cards (although working in the 11/23+ box would make me think it is not a problem with the card) no help. Anybody care to take a stab at what might be causing this problem? 1) You might want to check your power supply loading. You have a lot of memory of chips to feed. The H7864 output at +5V is 36 amps. Between the KDJ11-B and 4 memory boards you may be using between 20-25 amps. Add a disk controller, disk drive and any other Q-bus devices might bring you close to the limits for either +5V or +12V from an aging supply. 2) Are the CSR addresses between 17772100-06? Have you tried to move them above this range just to see if the behavior changes? Jerry
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On 01/11/2019 02:32 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Allison Parent > > > Most Probable cause is interrupt grant is broken. > > The only -11 that complains if the grant chain is broken that I know of is > the /34 (maybe the /04 too). I certainly have a QBUS chassis right next to my > workstation here that i) has a bunch of empty slots, and ii) works fine, as > long as there are no empty slots between the CPU and the devices. I'm far from a newby to Qbus 11s as I stated with LSI-11 nearly 4 decades ago and I ahve all Qbus models of note from LSI-11(quad), 11/2 (dual) , 11/23(dual) 11/23(quad), 11/23B(quad), 11/73(dual) in various BA11VA, BA-11s, BA11N, BA23, BA123, and also microVAXII in BA23 and BA123. Which covers about eight different Qbus backplane variations not including the Heath H11 and a engineering one off (8 slot dual width with bigger supply sorta like taller a BA11VA 4 slot. Small advantage to being a Millrat. I forgo most non-Qbus 11s to specialize. All of my 11s are Qbus and yes they complain if the interrupt grant chain is broken. Missing CSR is the usual complaint. Typical micorpdp-11 Qbus is: First three slots after CPU the CD slots are open use, or be used or memory private bus. ABCD CPU ABCD where CD is memory wired not bus ABCD ABCD up to this slot memory does not have to grant interrupts on the right (CD)side of quad cards ABAB All cards dual or quad must have int grant jumper of the board or grant card. ABAB ABAB ABAB > Also, IIRC he said it works with 3 cards plugged in, but not 4; how can > plugging a card _in_ cause grant problems? See the above... Qbus is can or cannot be uniform for quad or dual width cards. For most only bus slots that are AB bussed are data/address. But they can be serpentine for quad wide systems and most quad wide board have interrupt grant jumpers on the board or are just hardwired that way. Qbus is not Unibus. You can build a Qbus system of all dual width cards, some Qbus system memory uses PMI. For example I have an 11/23b+ in a quad width BA11-N but the backplane is nonstandard ,18 slots of Q22 ABAB (serpentine wired). It has a quad width 11/23B and 8 MSV11 256KB dual width Q22 memory. RQDX3 dual width, RXV21 RX02, DRV11J and a M7555 (also found in MicroVAXII in BA123 boxes, takes the 50pin wide RQDX breaks it out for multiple RX33 floppy and RD32 drives). There are many Qbus backplanes and several different configurations for DUAL/QUAD mixes of cards. The Microvax Qbus backplanes also fit in that realm such as BA123 with J11 cpus installed and PMI ram. Also many of the Qbus can be Q16(not many), Q18(fairly common) and Q22(only late and MicroVax) address bus width. The microcomputers handbook is a start and the modules manuals. Typically you need a 1980 version and a later 80s versions. Also the LSI-11 Systems Service Manual Volumes 1 and 2. Generally the more docs you have for Qbus 11 systems and the MicroVAX kin the less pain you will have configuring them especially for non standard configurations or systems with mix and match boards. Allison
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On 1/11/19 2:32 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Allison Parent > > > Most Probable cause is interrupt grant is broken. > > The only -11 that complains if the grant chain is broken that I know of is > the /34 (maybe the /04 too). I certainly have a QBUS chassis right next to my > workstation here that i) has a bunch of empty slots, and ii) works fine, as > long as there are no empty slots between the CPU and the devices. > > Also, IIRC he said it works with 3 cards plugged in, but not 4; how can > plugging a card _in_ cause grant problems? > > > For most microspheres backplanes the first three slots are different > > than remaining. > > That might be worth checking into. I'm not familiar with the second box > he's using, so can't help there. MicroPDP box has first three slots A-B-C-D to support PMI memory and the rest are serpentine A-B. Even giving a bus grant problem, I can't see that causing a CSR error. I will probably have to dig out another box this weekend just to be sure there isn't a problem with the backplane. bill
Re: PDP-11 Memory
On 1/11/19 2:25 PM, Allison Parent via cctalk wrote: > Most Probable cause is interrupt grant is broken. For most microspheres > backplanes the first three slots are different than remaining. Yes, that's true. But the problem doesn't occur until the 5th slot. And a quick look at the C-D edges of the board shows that the BUS Grant lines are jumpered. So the 2 A-B slots should pass the grants just fine. I saw no mention about these not working in A-B/A-B backplanes. The only mention the docs make at all is that the only lines used on C-D slots is power. bill > > > Phoned this in! > > > On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > Well, it has been so long since I had to put together an > entire system I forgot what fun it can be. > > With almost documentation I was able to configure 4 1meg > memory modules and I tested them all in my 11/23+ box. > > > KDJ11-B with 4 different (but similar) memory cards. > "MAP" option of the KDJ11 shows 4 meg (minus the I/O > Page) and all the right CSR's for the first four blocks. > > Really wanted to make this a deskside so I moved the > cards to a MicroPDP box (Yes, I have a coule of the > deskside pedestals). Power on, Memory CSR error. > Move then back to the 11/23+ works fine. If I only > put the first three in the MicroPDP box it works. > But as soon as I try to put in a fourth module I > get the memory CSR error. Tried different cards > (although working in the 11/23+ box would make me > think it is not a problem with the card) no help. > > Anybody care to take a stab at what might be causing > this problem? > > bill >
Re: IBM in TX
> If the half panels are for sale, I'll take them! :-) They’d nicely compliment or house those new QSIC indicator panels you’ve been working up, huh? :-)
Re: PDP-11 Memory
Most Probable cause is interrupt grant is broken. For most microspheres backplanes the first three slots are different than remaining. Phoned this in! On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Well, it has been so long since I had to put together an entire system I forgot what fun it can be. With almost documentation I was able to configure 4 1meg memory modules and I tested them all in my 11/23+ box. KDJ11-B with 4 different (but similar) memory cards. "MAP" option of the KDJ11 shows 4 meg (minus the I/O Page) and all the right CSR's for the first four blocks. Really wanted to make this a deskside so I moved the cards to a MicroPDP box (Yes, I have a coule of the deskside pedestals). Power on, Memory CSR error. Move then back to the 11/23+ works fine. If I only put the first three in the MicroPDP box it works. But as soon as I try to put in a fourth module I get the memory CSR error. Tried different cards (although working in the 11/23+ box would make me think it is not a problem with the card) no help. Anybody care to take a stab at what might be causing this problem? bill
Re: IBM in TX
> From: Fritz Mueller > I think I see an H960 with a couple DEC half panels stuck on it peeking > out of the very back there... Two H960's, actually - it looks like there's another one in front of that one. If the half panels are for sale, I'll take them! :-) Noel
Re: IBM in TX
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:58 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk > wrote: > >> Looks like the "Mainframe" is an IBM Series/1 which is not a Mainframe, and >> I would say has limited appeal to collectors as there are few resources out >> there as the software is all fully licenced so its had to make legal copies. > > It does not help that the OS software also sucks. There once was a port of Unix to the Series/1. Long story but the Unix center of competency for IBM was first at Boca Raton (with Series/1 as the platform). At the time AT offered to sell IBM the full rights to Unix and AT would get out of the Unix biz. Then there was a political battle between Boca Raton and Austin. Boca lost and the rest as they say is history. As part of that *all* (as in every shred of) Unix for the Series/1 was destroyed (with IBM security looking on to make sure nothing was missed). TTFN - Guy
Re: Who is in Houston?
On Jan 11, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: > 2 storage sheds were bought at auction. Includes mainframes, terminals, dot > matrix printers, monitors, PS/2 and PS/2 machines, etc. I'm very close to Houston (Brenham) and I make trips there several times a week. -- Ryan Eisworth
Re: IBM in TX
I think I see an H960 with a couple DEC half panels stuck on it peeking out of the very back there...
Re: IBM in TX
thank God for Hoarders! what a stash! In a message dated 1/11/2019 10:49:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xwq1JKaMPVXLXJwhocWf9qTogANG2iye This is the pic I was sent. Original msg should have said PS/1 and PS/2. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus
Re: IBM in TX
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:49:33AM -0600, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xwq1JKaMPVXLXJwhocWf9qTogANG2iye That looks like a job for many, many, people. mcl
Re: Who is in Houston?
I'm in Austin but am due for a road trip to Houston I suppose. If no one else in Houston can go check it out ... mcl
RE: IBM in TX
You guys decide what looks interesting and what you want to pay for it. The Series/1 is already claimed, but there is another big beast, not in the pic. Somebody make a spreadsheet or something. I am willing to go to Houston, and I have a friend from Austin with a truck and trailer that will help out, but I have no room to store stuff. I can't post to this chat from anything but the office computer for some reason, so I won't be able to post pics of what is there when I go. How do I fix this? Cindy -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Katz via cctalk Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 12:03 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM in TX I spy some Sun CRTs and that ATEX cabinet looks interesting. On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:49 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xwq1JKaMPVXLXJwhocWf9qTogANG2iye > > > > This is the pic I was sent. Original msg should have said PS/1 and PS/2. > > > > Cindy Croxton > > Electronics Plus > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -- -Jon +44 7792 149029
Re: IBM in TX
> Looks like the "Mainframe" is an IBM Series/1 which is not a Mainframe, and > I would say has limited appeal to collectors as there are few resources out > there as the software is all fully licenced so its had to make legal copies. It does not help that the OS software also sucks. -- Will
RE: IBM in TX
Looks like the "Mainframe" is an IBM Series/1 which is not a Mainframe, and I would say has limited appeal to collectors as there are few resources out there as the software is all fully licenced so its had to make legal copies. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Electronics Plus > via cctalk > Sent: 11 January 2019 17:50 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: IBM in TX > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xwq1JKaMPVXLXJwhocWf9qTogANG2iy > e > > > > This is the pic I was sent. Original msg should have said PS/1 and PS/2. > > > > Cindy Croxton > > Electronics Plus > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
IBM in TX
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xwq1JKaMPVXLXJwhocWf9qTogANG2iye This is the pic I was sent. Original msg should have said PS/1 and PS/2. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Who is in Houston?
Hi Cindy, On 01/11/2019 10:37 AM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: 2 storage sheds were bought at auction. Includes mainframes, terminals, dot matrix printers, monitors, PS/2 and PS/2 machines, etc. Can I get more details on this? I know someone that's in Texas (other than you) that owns a mainframe and would likely be interested. I'm also interested in poking him to investigate the PS/2s. I also have access to a PS/2 grapevine that I should probably shake. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Who is in Houston?
Who bought the pile? What are the mainframes? Ex Houston Computer Museum? -- Will On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:38 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: > > 2 storage sheds were bought at auction. Includes mainframes, terminals, dot > matrix printers, monitors, PS/2 and PS/2 machines, etc. > > > > Cindy Croxton > > Electronics Plus > > 1613 Water Street > > Kerrville, TX 78028 > > 830-370-3239 cell > > sa...@elecplus.com > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Who is in Houston?
2 storage sheds were bought at auction. Includes mainframes, terminals, dot matrix printers, monitors, PS/2 and PS/2 machines, etc. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sa...@elecplus.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Interest in a DiscFerret?
On 1/10/19 7:05 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > But getting too cheap on this one-off sort of stuff gets silly after awhile. But cctlk navel contemplation and bile generation is sooo much more fun than producing anything USEFUL
