Re: How to format Dectape (TC08 + TU56)
> > Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 21:21:43 -0700 > From: Marc Howard > Subject: How to format Dectape (TC08 + TU56) > > Hi, > > I fired up the 8/A tonight and the TU56's are failing diags. I want to > format a tape for scratch use but I can't find the MAINDEC that does this > (along with flipping up the backplane switch. > > Can someone refresh me on the proceedure? > > Thanks, > > Marc Howard MAINDEC-08-EUFB should work on both TC01 and TC08 controllers. -- Michael Thompson
Re: Hewlett Packard 2601A Printer
On May 29, 2019, at 11:33, Glen Slick wrote: > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 9:58 PM MEBA via cctalk wrote: >> >> I have an old daisy wheel printer by Hewlett-Packard, their 2601A. We got >> this from an estate cleanout and I would like to sell it. It has been >> powered up and the power light comes on and the carriage moves to the >> starting position. It is a large, very heavy machine. I have it on ebay for >> $150 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/223533138720) but that was just a shot in >> the dark. There is a better description and more pictures in the listing. >> Any reasonable offer considered. I have no way to ship this item from here >> but will drop it off at the ups store. The buyer will have to make their own >> arrangements for packing and shipping with ups. >> > > http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=326 > > The 2601A was a 40 character-per-second daisy wheel printer. It was a > wide-carriage printer that could also print on multipart forms. HP > OEM'd this printer from Diablo (model 630). The 2601A came standard > with an RS-232-C interface and did not offer an HP-IB option. 40 characters per second if you choose your characters and their sequencing well. I’m remembering them being connected to terminals and microcomputers (HP 150, HP Vectra PC) at 9600 bps and needing some sort of flow control. I am thinking there was a jumper on the serial I/O board that needed to be set just so. And yes, they are mostly Diablo 630 printers. They’re nice daisywheel printers. Loud enough that HP sold an enclosure. Fancy enough that HP sold a simple tractor feed kit and a fancy cut-sheet feed unit with two input bins. The enclosure was big enough for either. -Frank McConnell
RE: Post?
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Eric > Christopherson via cctalk > Sent: 29 May 2019 20:46 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Post? > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:20 PM Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > On 29/05/19 7:07 PM, MEBA via cctalk wrote: > > > Did my post for the HP printer get posted? I haven't seen it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > Some mail systems will not send you an email that appears to be from > > yourself (I think gmail is one of these) so it can appear that your > > post has not appeared. > > > > You can also check the archive (e.g. > > http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2019-May/date.html ) to > > find an email - if it's in there then it was posted. > > > > My Gmail account seems to like to silently delete/not deliver mails from this > list and others I'm subscribed to. They don't end up in the spam folder, > either. Over the past few months there have been several times I've noticed > replies on this list that quoted messages that I never received the originals > of; and likewise messages that show up on the archive that don't show up in > email. > > As someone on another mailing list recently responded when I brought this > up there said: > > "It's a habit of gmail to hold back mail it thinks might be suspect, and > deliver it > to a small number of recipients, then wait to see if they mark it spam, before > delivering to more and more recipients. This can delay messages for several > days." > > ^ I'm not sure if the above is what happens to me; I do sometimes see things > arriving out of order, but I'm pretty confident there are certain messages > that just never show up. But then again my folders are so full of unread (or > partially unread) threads that I could just miss it once I forget about the > topic > and new replies aren't being posted to it anymore to bump it to the top. That does not appear to happen to me. What I do see is discrepancies between cctech and cctalk. I assume this is because the processes to make sure content is passed to the correct lists is manual. I also believe that there is some manual moderation > > -- > Eric Christopherson Dave G4UGM
Re: 11/93 rebuild
> From: Holm Tiffe
>> The "--list" command to 'dd' gives a whole bunch of stuff:
> aha:
> $ dd --list
> dd: unknown operand --list
I was talking about the program I had mentioned in the previous email, "dd
for Windows". The "--list" command to it produced that long list of devices
(the list you edited out of the reply), so it definitely works there.
> Nobody in a PDP11 is interested what Windows thinks about partitions.
Understood, but in my previous email I had given an example using a uSloth
partition:
>> dd-removable if=UnixRoot of=\\?\Device\Harddisk2\Partition0 count=4872
seek=131072
so when your reply mentioned "partitions" ("You have to have an already
existing parition structure on the disk") it was natural to assume you meant
those - especially since there was a plausible reading of your comment
involving them (i.e. 'does "dd for Windows" only work on a disk with an
existing uSloth partition structure on it').
> Most of the PDP11 SCSI Controllers could build two or more PDP11 disks
> out of one physical device. That is what I meant with partition in this
> case .. There is some logical information on the device, you simply
> don't get the entire raw device on the pdp as you possibly think.
That's a good point, and perhaps there's no existing way to write a SCSI disk
from a Windoze box in a way that the PDP11 SCSI controllers can grok. I don't
know enough about how they work to answer that.
> Tapes have no such restrictions
Right, but one has to have a tape drive; the OP may not.
Noel
Re: Post?
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:20 PM Lawrence Wilkinson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 29/05/19 7:07 PM, MEBA via cctalk wrote: > > Did my post for the HP printer get posted? I haven't seen it. > > > > > > > > Mark > > Some mail systems will not send you an email that appears to be from > yourself (I think gmail is one of these) so it can appear that your post > has not appeared. > > You can also check the archive (e.g. > http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2019-May/date.html ) to find > an email - if it's in there then it was posted. > My Gmail account seems to like to silently delete/not deliver mails from this list and others I'm subscribed to. They don't end up in the spam folder, either. Over the past few months there have been several times I've noticed replies on this list that quoted messages that I never received the originals of; and likewise messages that show up on the archive that don't show up in email. As someone on another mailing list recently responded when I brought this up there said: "It's a habit of gmail to hold back mail it thinks might be suspect, and deliver it to a small number of recipients, then wait to see if they mark it spam, before delivering to more and more recipients. This can delay messages for several days." ^ I'm not sure if the above is what happens to me; I do sometimes see things arriving out of order, but I'm pretty confident there are certain messages that just never show up. But then again my folders are so full of unread (or partially unread) threads that I could just miss it once I forget about the topic and new replies aren't being posted to it anymore to bump it to the top. -- Eric Christopherson
Re: Hewlett Packard 2601A Printer
I have an old daisy wheel printer by Hewlett-Packard, their 2601A. We got this from an estate cleanout and I would like to sell it. It has been powered up and the power light comes on and the carriage moves to the starting position. It is a large, very heavy machine. I have it on ebay for $150 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/223533138720) but that was just a shot in the dark. There is a better description and more pictures in the listing. Any reasonable offer considered. I have no way to ship this item from here but will drop it off at the ups store. The buyer will have to make their own arrangements for packing and shipping with ups. On Wed, 29 May 2019, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=326 The 2601A was a 40 character-per-second daisy wheel printer. It was a wide-carriage printer that could also print on multipart forms. HP OEM'd this printer from Diablo (model 630). The 2601A came standard with an RS-232-C interface and did not offer an HP-IB option. Do very many people pay that price range in that condition?
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Re: Hewlett Packard 2601A Printer
On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 9:58 PM MEBA via cctalk wrote: > > I have an old daisy wheel printer by Hewlett-Packard, their 2601A. We got > this from an estate cleanout and I would like to sell it. It has been > powered up and the power light comes on and the carriage moves to the > starting position. It is a large, very heavy machine. I have it on ebay for > $150 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/223533138720) but that was just a shot in > the dark. There is a better description and more pictures in the listing. > Any reasonable offer considered. I have no way to ship this item from here > but will drop it off at the ups store. The buyer will have to make their own > arrangements for packing and shipping with ups. > http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=326 The 2601A was a 40 character-per-second daisy wheel printer. It was a wide-carriage printer that could also print on multipart forms. HP OEM'd this printer from Diablo (model 630). The 2601A came standard with an RS-232-C interface and did not offer an HP-IB option.
Re: Post?
On 29/05/19 7:07 PM, MEBA via cctalk wrote: > Did my post for the HP printer get posted? I haven't seen it. > > > > Mark Some mail systems will not send you an email that appears to be from yourself (I think gmail is one of these) so it can appear that your post has not appeared. You can also check the archive (e.g. http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2019-May/date.html ) to find an email - if it's in there then it was posted. -- Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360
Re: M7264 Troubleshooting
On 05/29/2019 07:17 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctech wrote: > > From: Josh Dersch > > > how is the backplane in the H11 currently configured? (i.e. what boards > > are in what slots?) Could the issue here be something as simple as a > > break in the qbus due to a misplaced board? > > He did mention that he had the console card in the slot next to the CPU, which > I think is what you're referring to - but it shouldn't matter for ODT, which > doesn't use interrupts, only programmed I/O. > > A QBUS system will work fine without continuity of grant (interrupt, DMA) > lines to boards which only respond to DATI/DATO (memory, non-interrupt I/O, > etc). Just for grins, I took my -11/03, and plugged the console card in a > bunch of slots down, leaving several empty slots between it and the CPU, and > it worked 'fine': ODT was fine, and it would run "BR ." programs fine, too. > > So unless there's actually a break in one of the 'broadcast' bus lines (e.g. > BDALxx, etc) on that backplane, between the CPU slot, and the slot the console > card is in, or something like that... > > I suppose it would be worth while checking BDALn, BSYNC and BDIN _on the > console card_ (I'm not sure where he was looking at them, before) just to > rule out the broken bus line possibility. > > > One thing that's bugging me, though; he said "BDAL3-13 .. are all active and > jump around in some manner". But for the ODT microcode loop trying to read the > console CSR, i.e. 0177560, BDAL7 (0200) and BDAL3 (010) should be 0, i.e. > un-asserted. > > So why are they jumping around too? Is this somehow related to the odd > behaviour > I was seeing on my machine with no console card, where the BDAL line was > behaving > in a way I couldn't understand? > BDAL, Bus Data and Address lines. During the nominal cycle the address, then strobe, then data (from ot to an addresses device or memory) and controls asserted for the cycle type (ReadWord, Read ByteHigh, ReadbyteLOW, WriteWORD and so on. There are also transfers on the same lines for interrupt vector and priority. All that makes the BDAL lines busy... Generally the LSI-11 is a bit stranger as it also does bus level memory refresh for dynamic ram card that do not refresh themselves. The contemporary memory cards did not self refresh and used the early 4K or 16K 16pin devices. Memory used for 11/23 (f11) and later by then self refresh on the local card level was the norm and cut bus traffic load. Many of the functions were replicated as part of the T-11 CPU. > I'm going to look into that more, to try and understand what I'm seeing there, > but it won't be today, which is 'crane day'! Big tree! Allison > >Noel >
Re: Post?
Yes it did. I remember seeing it twice. Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2019, at 10:07, MEBA via cctalk wrote: > > Did my post for the HP printer get posted? I haven't seen it. > > > > Mark > > >
Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?
> On May 29, 2019, at 8:00 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On 5/28/19 7:39 PM, Evan Linwood via cctalk wrote: > >> hopefully someone takes an interest! >> > > considering 3178 keyboards are over $1000 on eBay, I expect the keyboard > collectors to take every keyboard that > is there > 3278 keyboards. ;-) I’d be happy with a couple of sets of keycaps to turn my 3278 data entry keyboards into 3278 typewriter keyboards. ;-) TTFN - Guy
RE: Post?
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of MEBA via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 12:07 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Post? Did my post for the HP printer get posted? I haven't seen it. Mark Yes, it did. Cindy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Post?
> On May 29, 2019 at 12:07 PM MEBA via cctalk wrote: > > > Did my post for the HP printer get posted? I haven't seen it. > > > > Mark This one? I have an old daisy wheel printer by Hewlett-Packard, their 2601A. We got this from an estate cleanout and I would like to sell it. It has been powered up and the power light comes on and the carriage moves to the starting position. It is a large, very heavy machine. I have it on ebay for $150 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/223533138720) but that was just a shot in the dark. There is a better description and more pictures in the listing. Any reasonable offer considered. I have no way to ship this item from here but will drop it off at the ups store. The buyer will have to make their own arrangements for packing and shipping with ups. Mark m...@meba.com
Post?
Did my post for the HP printer get posted? I haven't seen it. Mark
Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?
On 5/28/19 7:39 PM, Evan Linwood via cctalk wrote: > hopefully someone takes an interest! > considering 3178 keyboards are over $1000 on eBay, I expect the keyboard collectors to take every keyboard that is there
Re: 11/93 rebuild - Major and Significant Result.
Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: > Hi > > Due to the help from Glen Slick. (The only guy to answer the > question as asked.) > > What to do is interesting. How to do it will get you there. > > I now have a SCSI drive on the 11/93 that thinks its an RD54 and is > trying to boot RSTS/E. > > It fails gracefully during the boot giving an error message. ..."an error message"?? Similar to q: "what's on the display?" a: "a flower vase.." ( yes I know, this fits better in german) What error message? Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Straße 42, 09600 Oberschöna, USt-Id: DE253710583 i...@tsht.de Fax +49 3731 74200 Tel +49 3731 74222 Mobil: 0172 8790 741
Re: 11/93 rebuild
Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:
> > From: Holm Tiffe
>
> > You have to have an already existing parition structure on the disk and
> > an OS that knows what todo with that.
>
> The "--list" command to 'dd' gives a whole bunch of stuff:
aha:
$ dd --list
dd: unknown operand --list
$
>
> Win32 Available Volume Information
> \\.\Volume{cd4ae459-0daa-11e2-9625-806d6172696f}\
> link to \\?\Device\HarddiskVolume1
> fixed media
> Mounted on \\.\d:
>
> \\.\Volume{f3c65dd6-01af-11e1-a511-806d6172696f}\
[..]
>
> some of which appear to be entire disks, not partitions.
Nobody in a PDP11 is interested what Windows thinks about partitions.
Most of the PDP11 SCSI Controllers could build two or more PDP11 disks
out of one physical device. That is what I meant with partition in this
case, if you dind'nt like it, call it slice.
There is some logical information on the device, you simply don't get
the entire raw device on the pdp as you possibly think.
Shure, you can write to the entire disk on an PC with some tools, but
what you write has to fit the CQD220 adapters idea how the data structure
has to be if you would boot that.
Tapes have no such restrictions, that's why I suggested using a tape.
Regard's
Holm
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Re: "industrial" PDP-11
On 5/15/19 6:25 PM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: Hey all, I bumped into someone who has some early (mid 1970 on some of the photos I've seen) PDP-11 bits - front panel and a handful of boards (the backplane, PSU, rack, peripherals etc. are long gone). Ugh, update... apparently they gave everything to someone who does "steampunk stuff", so they're probably chopped into pieces by now :-(
Re: M7264 Troubleshooting
> From: Josh Dersch > how is the backplane in the H11 currently configured? (i.e. what boards > are in what slots?) Could the issue here be something as simple as a > break in the qbus due to a misplaced board? He did mention that he had the console card in the slot next to the CPU, which I think is what you're referring to - but it shouldn't matter for ODT, which doesn't use interrupts, only programmed I/O. A QBUS system will work fine without continuity of grant (interrupt, DMA) lines to boards which only respond to DATI/DATO (memory, non-interrupt I/O, etc). Just for grins, I took my -11/03, and plugged the console card in a bunch of slots down, leaving several empty slots between it and the CPU, and it worked 'fine': ODT was fine, and it would run "BR ." programs fine, too. So unless there's actually a break in one of the 'broadcast' bus lines (e.g. BDALxx, etc) on that backplane, between the CPU slot, and the slot the console card is in, or something like that... I suppose it would be worth while checking BDALn, BSYNC and BDIN _on the console card_ (I'm not sure where he was looking at them, before) just to rule out the broken bus line possibility. One thing that's bugging me, though; he said "BDAL3-13 .. are all active and jump around in some manner". But for the ODT microcode loop trying to read the console CSR, i.e. 0177560, BDAL7 (0200) and BDAL3 (010) should be 0, i.e. un-asserted. So why are they jumping around too? Is this somehow related to the odd behaviour I was seeing on my machine with no console card, where the BDAL line was behaving in a way I couldn't understand? I'm going to look into that more, to try and understand what I'm seeing there, but it won't be today, which is 'crane day'! Noel
