Re: Too many DEC binders
Hello, yes, bitsavers and the efforts of Al are invaluable! Considering that I'm referring only to DEC PDFs, but the archive is indeed far more vast then this, the time to maintain all of it is way over what normal people would dedicate to free time jobs... simply that could mean that Al is a superhero itself? :) On the other side, for ignorant people like me, not knowing exactly what and where find the right document, browsing over the sea of documents, and over several sites (without knowing the exact list of addresses either) could be difficult... I really appreciate the folder sorting based of bitsavers, while other archives with a flat list of files with the bare document code (no human readable title) really needs an index at least... I could scan all of my documents with a specified resolution and lossless compression, even if these are duplicates of Carlini's, so these can be added to bitsavers. Could it be considered useful? Thanks Andrea
Re: Too many DEC binders
On 25/08/2019 18:28, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: Starting around the VMS 5.5 era, isn’t anything from then or later on the Condist documentation CD’s? And thus we don’t have to make a priority for scanning? Tim N3QE The early ones were just in BOOKREADER format, although that can be converted to PDF (I think). V6.0(ish) onwards was on the DEC website as PDFs, although whether anyone saved complete sets (and all the different version) or not I don't know. The PDFs might also have been on later CONOLDs, but I don't recall for sure. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: Too many DEC binders
On 25/08/2019 15:18, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: I guess if that fails, I could include links to online manuals in CHWiki pages. That would be a massive campaign, even just the PDP-11 hardware and PDP-10 hardware (all I'd want to do) would be weeks of works. There's no way I could do all the other stuff on Bitsavers (e.g. PDP-10, -11 software, all the VAX stuff - and that's just DEC). Well the SQL for original manx database (as maintained by Paul) is (or was available) and something is available in the codeplex download that *might* be the current (or near-current) manx database. You could turn that into links but you'd just have manx-as-a-set-of-wiki-pages. I guess the data would be useful for programmatically checking whether a given manual is known to manx. At that point though I think the best thing to do would be to get the data into manx. Manx feels like the right tool for finding manuals. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: Too many DEC binders
On 8/25/19 10:51 AM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: > That might be getting hard to read > these days unless you happen to have an OpenVMS machine with DECWindows. There was a way to translate it to Postscript Copies of the CDs in that form were on the web for a while, haven't looked lately though.
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
> On Aug 25, 2019, at 2:05 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk > wrote: > >> From: Jon Elson > >> I have NEVER had even the SLIGHTEST damage with FedEx, even their >> ground service. This could just be statistical chance > > This. I once had FexEx Ground destroy the entire packaging of a shipment (one > of those rigid plastic tubs, sealed closed with those tension tapes) so badly > they had to build entirely new packaging for it. > > Assume _all_ shippers will throw your item across the room, and pack > accordingly - because they will. > I have found that if the item is packed *appropriately* in a crate and then put on a pallet it receives much gentler handling than something that’s been stuffed in a cardboard box. It all comes down to what is the item worth to *you*. Yes, doing what I proposed will cost more in shipping but what is that cost relative to the value (to you) of the item and the difficulty in replacing it? TTFN - Guy
Re: Too many DEC binders
On 8/25/2019 12:28 PM, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote: Starting around the VMS 5.5 era, isn’t anything from then or later on the Condist documentation CD’s? And thus we don’t have to make a priority for scanning? Tim N3QE IIRC, most of the documentation on the ConDists were in DEC's BookReader format. That might be getting hard to read these days unless you happen to have an OpenVMS machine with DECWindows. I just looked at my earliest CD - Sept 1995 ODL and except for some of the basic how to use this CD documents (which are in text and PostScript), it's all in BookReader format which means you can't read it on a Mac/Windows/Linux system You need a OpenVMS or Digital Unix or Ultrix system. I have a smattering of CD sets starting with a 1994 SPL and then up through 2007 VAX and 2010 Alpha. The ODL sets are available on HPE's site beginning with the 2005 sets through the EOL of various platforms - VAX is 2011, Alpha is 2017, Integrity is ongoing still but coming to an end soon. -- John H. Reinhardt
Re: Too many DEC binders
> Starting around the VMS 5.5 era, isn’t anything from then or later on > the Condist documentation CD’s? And thus we don’t have to make a > priority for scanning? The stuff I have is mostly pre 4.5. Aaron
Re: Too many DEC binders
Starting around the VMS 5.5 era, isn’t anything from then or later on the Condist documentation CD’s? And thus we don’t have to make a priority for scanning? Tim N3QE
Mac SE (HD/FD) and 40GB APS Tech HDD
I’ve just come into possession of both of these units. The Mac has a 20MB internal HD and doesn’t startup. There is no happy mac or boot chime. The video is just a single line in the middle of the screen. The HDD spins up and wants to be formatted by any Mac I’ve got that has USB on it. If anyone wants either of these let me know (San Diego area of California). If I hear nothing both will go to the electronic recycler next Saturday. David
Re: Too many DEC binders
> From: Al Kossow > I don't even have time to deal with all of my paper. Understood. A huge 'thank you' for all the work you have put in, to saving and making available a massive quantity of old documentation. Given that we have stuff scattered across a number of sites, rather than bringing it all to one location, maybe we just need a single site with pointers to them all. Oh, wait... I guess I should see if Richard Thomson (he's the last name on: http://manx-docs.org/about.php so I assume it's still him) needs/could use help updating Manx content; anyone know how to reach him (no contact info anywhere on the site)? I guess if that fails, I could include links to online manuals in CHWiki pages. That would be a massive campaign, even just the PDP-11 hardware and PDP-10 hardware (all I'd want to do) would be weeks of works. There's no way I could do all the other stuff on Bitsavers (e.g. PDP-10, -11 software, all the VAX stuff - and that's just DEC). Noel
Re: Too many DEC binders
On 8/25/19 12:43 AM, shad via cctalk wrote: why collected manuals from other sites couldn't be added to bitsavers too? With a few exceptions, I don't troll other sites for content. I don't even have time to deal with all of my paper.
Re: Shipping from Europe to USA
> From: Jon Elson > I have NEVER had even the SLIGHTEST damage with FedEx, even their > ground service. This could just be statistical chance This. I once had FexEx Ground destroy the entire packaging of a shipment (one of those rigid plastic tubs, sealed closed with those tension tapes) so badly they had to build entirely new packaging for it. Assume _all_ shippers will throw your item across the room, and pack accordingly - because they will. Noel
Re: Too many DEC binders
Hello, I also have a bunch of manuals, mainly for rt11, which aren't available in bitsavers. I always thought of bitsavers as the "whole" archive for DEC stuff, however time ago, sorting these manuals, I found they where available only on Manx or Antonio Carlini's archive. Many manuals then are available on other sites, etc Now the question: why collected manuals from other sites couldn't be added to bitsavers too? Thanks Andrea
