Zetaco SCSI Controller
Hi, Would anyone happen to have or know the whereabouts of a technical manual and/or schematics for a Zetaco SCZ-2 controller? Or the same for any other Zetaco SCZ (hoping that they all used the same back-plane presentation :) ) Many thanks Sean (www.datageneral.uk) Bower & Bailey LLP Please don't reply to e-mails purporting to ask for our bank account details to be changed. Always speak to the lawyer acting for you to check any changes to payment arrangements. We will also require independent verification of changes to any bank account to which we are asked to send money. Bower & Bailey LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC353093 and is authorised and regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority, (SRA number 534676). The registered office is at Willow House, 2 Heynes Place, Station Lane, Witney, OX28 4YN at which a full list of members is available for inspection. We use the word 'partner' to refer to a member of Bower & Bailey LLP (or employee of equivalent status). The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential, may be legally privileged and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it was addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute, store or take any action in reliance upon it or any attachment. If you have received this email and any attachment in error, please notify the sender by replying by email and then delete the email entirely from your system. Where the content of this email (and any attachment) is personal, or otherwise unconnected with the firm or its business, Bower & Bailey LLP accepts no responsibility or liability for such content. We do not accept service of legal process by email. Whilst Bower & Bailey LLP has anti-virus protection systems installed, we accept no liability for any loss or damage which may be caused by viruses or interception/interruption of this email or any attachments. You should carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment. Personal Information that we obtain or hold about individuals is processed in accordance with our Privacy Notice which is available to view on our website. Offices at: Banbury, Oxford, Swindon and Witney For further information please visit our website: www.bowerandbailey.co.uk
Seeking information on the CSTS Timesharing service
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 8:42 PM jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > Does anyone have any information on Infonet, which was a timesharing > which CSC put out? I've got some info that it had a timesharing service > called CSTS and would like info on that. https://web.archive.org/web/20170421223052/https://wiki.cc.gatech.edu/folklore/index.php/The_UNIVAC_1100_in_the_Early_70s -- Jerry Reich has brought to my attention the operating systems written by Computer Science Corporation (CSC) for its Infonet time-sharing network. In the late 1960s, CSC developed CSCX, which was a highly modified EXEC II [*] with time-sharing and multiprogramming capabilities. CSCX later evolved into the CSTS time-sharing system used on the Infonet 1100s throughout the 1970s. Commercial time-sharing networks were widespread during the 1960s and 1970s. [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIVAC_EXEC_II -- EXEC II is a discontinued operating system developed for the UNIVAC 1107 by Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC) while under contract to UNIVAC to develop the machine's COBOL compiler. They developed EXEC II because Univac's EXEC I operating system development was late. . . EXEC II is a batch processing operating system that supports a single job stream with concurrent spooling. I have reason to believe that my very first exposure to digital computers (in the spring of 1969, at a high school in northern Delaware taking advantage of a Federal grant to equip a room with some teletype machines and acoustic couplers) was to "Conversational Fortran V" running on a Univac 1108 at Computer Sciences Corporation. Presumably the operating system was CSC's own modified version of Exec II (CSCX) rather than Exec 8, but I believe the Fortran V language processor would have been the same in either case. That taste of high-end timesharing was a luxurious experience, never to be repeated -- the following year, those same teletype machines were connected to an overloaded IBM 1130 at the University of Delaware running BASIC. http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED126934.pdf -- Walzl, F. Neil The Development and Implementation of a District Computer Education Program. Final Report. Newark School District, Del. Nov 75 . . . During the 1968-69 school year, three major activities were conducted. . . Computer time was purchased from the Philco Ford Company, Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, and the Computer Sciences Corporation, Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania. . . https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/why-python-best -- For you Fortran folks, I need to explain Fortran V. Based on Fortran IV, Fortran V was implemented on Univac 1100-series hardware (and probably other Univac systems such as the 494) by Computer Sciences Corporation in the late 1960s. It extended Fortran to include parameter statements—basically a way to define constants, conditional compilation, and statement functions—basically macros that produced in-line code. In 1970, I went to work for Computer Sciences Corporation working on systems testing of a new timesharing system they were developing called CSTS. While some of my work was done in assembly language, the majority was done in Fortran V. For me, it was the "best scripting language" I had available. (It was also the only language I had available on CSTS itself for a while.)
Re: Bad heads on RL02: Worth replacing
On 12/17/2019 8:05 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Took a look at the top of the RL02 pack. There is a fine layer of white stuff on the disk in a ring at about where I would assume track 0 is on the thing. Wipes off with my finger, but definitely was not there when I put the pack in the drive. Also, looking at the head under a loupe I can see the head is not perfectly flat when viewed from the side. The front (ahead of the air gap/groove) with the magnetic head is narrower than the back of it. I'm wondering if the head is *worn* to the point where it can't fly, contacts the pack, and what I am seeing on the pack is the ceramic from the head (which would be nice, meaning it's not ripping the pack apart). Then again the black stuff on the head is probably the top layer of oxide from the pack. Do heads wear out? C I don't believe there should be any contact to make any "wear" affect the head. It may have been damaged if you're talking one of the heads you cleaned up. But heads should never really contact the drive on these types of heads. I haven't posted earlier, but I had the same head technology on Microdata and Western Dynex drives. Those had spring steel welded from the frame that attaches the positioner and the wires run out to the head via that arm. The thing I had happen was that in fiddling with the head, and cleaning it, one could flex the head mounting. It was a very stiff probably stainless steel, but I suspect in cleaning efforts early on when I was working with the heads and drives I got hold of some which either I or someone prior had over flexed. The clearance is so small that I think that tweek allows the head to look okay, but in actuality isn't flown in the proper orientation to stay clear of the media. I built a number of drives up from highly abused parts, and there were a lot of them, so got to play back then and learn. Huge numbers of media, junk drives and the like. Once I got new heads the problems vanished. Never did get a reliable way to ID a head as good, so I always had a non essential removable platter I'd fit the heads to and fly them to see if they caused damage. If not, I'd move them to the fixed disk on the bottom of the positioner, and mount two more on the top that I'd vetted. That saved the most media and heads. But unfortunately not good now days where media and heads are scarce, since it risks the media and heads. thanks Jim
Re: Bad heads on RL02: Worth replacing
Took a look at the top of the RL02 pack. There is a fine layer of white stuff on the disk in a ring at about where I would assume track 0 is on the thing. Wipes off with my finger, but definitely was not there when I put the pack in the drive. Also, looking at the head under a loupe I can see the head is not perfectly flat when viewed from the side. The front (ahead of the air gap/groove) with the magnetic head is narrower than the back of it. I'm wondering if the head is *worn* to the point where it can't fly, contacts the pack, and what I am seeing on the pack is the ceramic from the head (which would be nice, meaning it's not ripping the pack apart). Then again the black stuff on the head is probably the top layer of oxide from the pack. Do heads wear out? C
Re: Tap, tap, tap, is this working???
I wonder of all the subscriber how many have posted something or
anything in the last 6 month, year, ever? I suspect the never cases.
Well, it is likely that if there is a subscriber harvesting, that that one
is not posting. But there are so many that don't post that you need a way
to narrow it down further. Automagically kicking out everybody who
doesn't post doesn't seem like an appropriate action.
When I Google a topic, I often get hits that are posts on this list. So,
it is obviously possible to get posts from this list without subscribing.
(Sometimes I get my own previous posts on the topic)
I have always assumed that harvesting produced a list of addresses,
probably a lot of smaller lists.
For one type of spam, that with a forged FROM from a friend or associate,
that an address is chosen, possibly randomly, possibly by other criteria
such as frequency of posting, and used for the FROM, and another for the
TO.
Multiple smaller lists means that there is a high probability that the TO
will recognize the FROM since they obviously have some contacts in
common (well, at least the source of the list) and therefore the message
is likely to get through.
I find it amusing that on many/most lists, when it is known that there is
such actions going on, people bombard the FROM with advice that THAT
computer has been compromised and taken over to send spam, should
immediately change passwords, etc. and refuse to believe that the FROM
line of the spam has nothing to do with where it is coming from. People
just won't accept that the FROM of an email is NOT necessarily the actual
source of the email. If you print "1600 Pennsylvania Avenue" on the upper
left of snail-mail envelopes, would they insist that somebody has hijacked
the whitehouse mail-room?
I find that SOME spam lists last forever. I still get quite a bit of spam
for an address that I created temporarily for Comdex 2000.
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
I've made about thirty postings to this list so far this year from this
mailbox. If your theory is correct, I should be getting a whole bunch of
spam now. I've received two spams (I found one that I missed earlier) and
had one other spam filtered going to this mailbox since April 2019. Do you
believe a non-posting subscriber could be targetting your email address with
spam and not mine?
They might have further filters, and target you less because they value
your top-level domain (".ie") less.
It is possible, but unlikely, that they may filter to such an extent that
they think that Allison is a better qualified lead than you are?
Short term solution is use Gmail then run for a while and then kill it
or leave it to as a bit bucket and replace with new Gmail.
A partial "solution" for those who can handle multiple email addresses,
snd can run a "white-list" filter, would be to create an address that is
ONLY for posts to and from this list. THEN, any mails that come to that
address get filtered to only pass those that purport to come from this
list. All others being put in a special "probably spam" folder. Glance
at that folder periodicaally to retrieve any that are actually private
messages sent by somebody on the list. Discarding that dedicated address
periodically will lose few valid correspondents.
That would be a valid use for a "white-list" filter.
Other than that, I don't normally find "white-list" useful, because a
significant part of the email that I get, such as about XenoCopy, is from
people I have never encountered before. It would be insane suicide for a
business to only accept contact from their prior contacts!
Similarly, after my mother died, I got phone calls and emails from
relatives I had never met.
At one time Google used to publish recommendations to avoid having emails
inadvertently stopped by their antispam systems. At that time, I made sure
that my mail server complied with all their recommendations.
As did all spammers, so Google probably found it counter-productive to
discuss their algorithms, and didn't know WHICH parts of their algorithms
should be published V kept secret.
I've since tried to contact Google to ask them about this but I've had
no success.
It probably went into the Google Tech Support department's spam folder.
:-)
Since this address is on PINE, I often forward emails that I want to look
at, but that need a "modern" client (such as attachments, pictures, etc.)
to my gmail address. A lot of those get sent to the spam folder of my
gmail address. Marking them as "not spam", etc. hasn't helped to convince
gmail that I don't consider anything from THIS other address of mine to be
spam. So, they don't seem to have a white-list over-ride.
I have to have that "modern" account for otherwise unreadable emails.
A friend coming into town emailed me her Orbitz itinerary. Full of lots
of ads and "of interest", and with pictures of text rather than text.
Re: Tapestar for DOS
Did not find it either, but if your tape has SCSI I used Overland Data’s Depot4 instead. Google it up, I uploaded it on archives.org. Marc > On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Ali via cctalk wrote: > > Hello, > > Can anyone please point me towards a copy of the Tapestar utility package > for DOS? I have already contacted Qualstar and they cannot help. TIA! > > -Ali > > >
Re: RCA 1802s available
According to the website, they are “genuine” original RCA parts. TTFN - Guy > On Dec 17, 2019, at 11:22 AM, crufta cat via cctalk > wrote: > > They are likely later than the 70s and even more likely Intersil made parts > from > the 80s and even later. Same for 1806s. > > People forget that Chrysler used them for engine controls int he late 80s. > > There is also "refurb parts" of questionable quality and origin. > > Allison > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 1:56 PM Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/17/19 9:30 AM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: >>> An ad was emailed to me today with an interesting item: RCA 1802 >> processors. >> >> Not a bad price, did you buy any? >> Were they actually RCA-branded parts from the 70's? >> >> >>
Re: RCA 1802s available
They are likely later than the 70s and even more likely Intersil made parts from the 80s and even later. Same for 1806s. People forget that Chrysler used them for engine controls int he late 80s. There is also "refurb parts" of questionable quality and origin. Allison On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 1:56 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 12/17/19 9:30 AM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > An ad was emailed to me today with an interesting item: RCA 1802 > processors. > > Not a bad price, did you buy any? > Were they actually RCA-branded parts from the 70's? > > >
Re: Tap, tap, tap, is this working???
I use hosts blacklisting , but its up to some huge number of addresses. When I say bailed its an unsub. I suspect its not majordomo or listserve directly. The easy way is subscribe and copy the mail and scrape the addresses. People are starting to see that level of activity on groups.IO. Compromised machines makes the list activity visible as well. I wonder of all the subscriber how many have posted something or anything in the last 6 month, year, ever? I suspect the never cases. Short term solution is use Gmail then run for a while and then kill it or leave it to as a bit bucket and replace with new Gmail. Allison On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 9:02 AM Peter Coghlan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Allison wrote: > > > > It may be that my address got into the local address book of a > contaminated > > system but stopping this net for several weeks brought > > the spam and trash mail from 25-80 a day to zero near instantly (less > than > > 12 hours.).I've bailed from the list in the past for periods > > for the same reason. I cannot filter the spam due to multiple reasons. > > > > Its not bizarre as people do want valid addresses for scams and > > legit offers for crap I do not want. > > > > What is bizarre is that one email address that posts to the list is getting > lots of spam and another email address that also posts to the list is not. > > What is also bizarre is that your spam stops when you unsubscribe from the > list (if that is what you mean by "stopping this net" and "bailed from the > list" above). In my experience, once a spammer finds an email address, > they don't bother to check whether the address is still active any time > they want to send spam to it. They just keep on sending irregardless. > > > > > It is my belief that we have a user that is farming the list and getting > > though spam filters. > > > > I think you are jumping to conclusions here. In my experience, spammers > are very lazy people and they are just not willing to put in that sort of > effort. Unless the spams you are getting are very specifically designed > for you, I would discount this theory. > > > > > If you do not. then great. I've been active here for a very long time > > (since I was on WSTD.COM). > > > > I'm a mere blow in that hasn't been here more than 25 years. I worked for > an email provider for 15 years and for the first 5 years of that, email > spam didn't really exist (unless you count the "call for papers" type of > academic spam). After that, I put a lot of work into understanding spam > and preventing it from getting to or from our customers. > > > > > It has been a persistent problem that always starts small and grows > quickly > > and then I start filtering > > till I'm killing good mail. > > > > It is really really difficult to come up with a useful filtering system > that > can recognise and stop spam without stopping good mail too. The only ones > I use are DNS based lists of ip addresses which are known sources of spam, > such as those operated by Spamhaus. I also use my own homegrown ip lists. > This approach works for me because I have my own mail server. If you are > stuck with using a commercial email provider, you are stuck with what they > are using. Many commercial providers won't even reveal what they are > using. > As for the free email providers, forget it. > > The ip address based filtering I use stopped just one spam going to my > cctalk mailbox since April 2019 (there was a spate of it in April). > Filtering > is never a complete solution. The best way to avoid spam is to avoid > having > email addresses harvested but this is not always possible when people we > correspond with unwittingly get their machines compromised. > > Another thing I believe makes a difference is to complain about every > single > spam received to the ip provider of the spammer or the compromised machine > used to send the spam. Nobody else I know is willing to put the effort > into > doing this though. However, nobody else I know has as good a legitimate > mail > to spam mail ratio as I do either. (Obviously this approach can not help > when already getting too much spam to cope with.) > > Regards, > Peter Coghlan. >
Re: Seeking information on the CSTS Timesharing service
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/computer-sciences-corporation-history/ Has some bits of data from my memory. I did some work on the Mailgram system, putting PDP8/e boxes as comms front ends to 1108s. On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 8:42 PM jim stephens via cctalk wrote: > > > > Does anyone have any information on Infonet, which was a timesharing > which CSC put out? I've got some info that it had a timesharing service > called CSTS and would like info on that. > > I've got info on the original version of the Pick system which IP was > owned by TRW and was called GIM. The CSTS Infonet service provided > access in some way to IGIM, which is in a manual I just obtained. > > So I want to know if there is any CSTS manuals or documents (ideally) > anyone may have. > > Secondly it looks like rather than IBM mainframes for timeshare, the > systems that Infonet shared were Univac 1108s. So looking for verifying > that. > > Especially if the systems were all Univac was IGIM running on the 1108. > > The time frame for the manual is 1974. GIM dates from 69 to 70 from a > TRW contract. Actual product was obviously running in one form in > 1974. There is information that it ran on PDP 11s as well in another form. > > While searching for information with Google, I found some court > proceedings, including a precedent related to RICO charges on > individuals in Infonet. If anyone finds the original indictment, or can > get to it on pacer, I'd appreciate a copy to read, or send message, I'll > supply the citation. A better source like Pacer probably will retrieve > the original indictment. I only find a decision which was reversed > related to the indictment. I suspect there would be a lot of history in > the indictment around the 1980 ish timeframe of the indictment about how > CSC ran Infonet. > > Short story on what you will find online a lot of spots is a precedent > set by the 4th Circuit of Appeals which resolved a technicality about > whether individuals and corporations were the same WRT charges. The > ruling that RICO applied to individuals and not corporations was filed > by a trial court. But the appeals court said that the actions if they > constituted RICO by individuals could be go back on the corporation they > operated in was the precedent. Obviously not a good one for corporations. > > > > Thanks, > Jim
Re: RCA 1802s available
On 12/17/19 9:30 AM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > An ad was emailed to me today with an interesting item: RCA 1802 processors. Not a bad price, did you buy any? Were they actually RCA-branded parts from the 70's?
RCA 1802s available
An ad was emailed to me today with an interesting item: RCA 1802 processors. I thought there may be some folks here interested: https://www.bgmicro.com/9z1509.aspx Not affiliated in any way other than a customer. Will
Re: Is IBM RPG classic?
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 03:25:26PM -0600, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: > It depends on the version and platform. For free format on an IBM i, > something like: Another good resource for modern IBM i RPG is the RPG400-L mailing list: https://Lists.MidRange.com/mailman/listinfo/rpg400-l -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: Bad heads on RL02: Worth replacing
On 12/16/19 7:57 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > I'm wondering if the problem is the leading edge of the head is angled down > or something: From the debris on the leading > edge it's looking like it is digging into the pack. Not sure if this can be > adjusted, or even what adjusting the head > would be like. > The characteristics of the head are not adjustable. In my experience with 2315 packs, the top heads are the most prone to crashing. You have to make sure the platter is absolutely clean, spinning at the right speed, and there is nothing on the outer edge when the heads load.
Re: Is IBM RPG classic?
On 12/16/19 9:24 AM, Guy N. via cctalk wrote: > On Sun, 2019-12-15 at 20:16 -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: >> Dijkstra had clever nasty things to say about many programming languages. >> I can't find his opinion about RPG. > > Unprintable, even on the interwebs? :-) > > Thanks for all the replies, both humorous and informative. I'll try to > find out what version of RPG my friend has the misfortune to be working > with, and what platform it's on. Itf it can be done remote I would be glad to relieve him of the misfortune. :-) Some of us have enough experience to know the value of some of these legacy systems. bill
Re: RSTS emulation in a browser (now "FILMGR")
At 09:23 PM 12/15/2019, John Foust via cctalk wrote: >At 11:11 PM 12/13/2019, John Foust via cctalk wrote: >>Another RSTS question. One of my rescued tapes has only several >>files with the extension ".FLB" Compared to other files of the >>sets, these are relatively large... up to a meg or so. And in digging through the 1000+ files on these backups, I found some code that I had written back in '82 that bursts these FLB files back into their constituent files. So weird to have forgotten it all, so weird to find my own code. Yes, they could've been created by some UW-Madison home-grown tool that bundled files together. So has anyone uploaded ready-to-use DSK images with all of RSTS in them? I'd like the full BASIC-PLUS and FORTRAN environment at my fingers. Or do I need to build them myself from TAP images? - John
Re: Tap, tap, tap, is this working???
Allison wrote: > > It may be that my address got into the local address book of a contaminated > system but stopping this net for several weeks brought > the spam and trash mail from 25-80 a day to zero near instantly (less than > 12 hours.).I've bailed from the list in the past for periods > for the same reason. I cannot filter the spam due to multiple reasons. > > Its not bizarre as people do want valid addresses for scams and > legit offers for crap I do not want. > What is bizarre is that one email address that posts to the list is getting lots of spam and another email address that also posts to the list is not. What is also bizarre is that your spam stops when you unsubscribe from the list (if that is what you mean by "stopping this net" and "bailed from the list" above). In my experience, once a spammer finds an email address, they don't bother to check whether the address is still active any time they want to send spam to it. They just keep on sending irregardless. > > It is my belief that we have a user that is farming the list and getting > though spam filters. > I think you are jumping to conclusions here. In my experience, spammers are very lazy people and they are just not willing to put in that sort of effort. Unless the spams you are getting are very specifically designed for you, I would discount this theory. > > If you do not. then great. I've been active here for a very long time > (since I was on WSTD.COM). > I'm a mere blow in that hasn't been here more than 25 years. I worked for an email provider for 15 years and for the first 5 years of that, email spam didn't really exist (unless you count the "call for papers" type of academic spam). After that, I put a lot of work into understanding spam and preventing it from getting to or from our customers. > > It has been a persistent problem that always starts small and grows quickly > and then I start filtering > till I'm killing good mail. > It is really really difficult to come up with a useful filtering system that can recognise and stop spam without stopping good mail too. The only ones I use are DNS based lists of ip addresses which are known sources of spam, such as those operated by Spamhaus. I also use my own homegrown ip lists. This approach works for me because I have my own mail server. If you are stuck with using a commercial email provider, you are stuck with what they are using. Many commercial providers won't even reveal what they are using. As for the free email providers, forget it. The ip address based filtering I use stopped just one spam going to my cctalk mailbox since April 2019 (there was a spate of it in April). Filtering is never a complete solution. The best way to avoid spam is to avoid having email addresses harvested but this is not always possible when people we correspond with unwittingly get their machines compromised. Another thing I believe makes a difference is to complain about every single spam received to the ip provider of the spammer or the compromised machine used to send the spam. Nobody else I know is willing to put the effort into doing this though. However, nobody else I know has as good a legitimate mail to spam mail ratio as I do either. (Obviously this approach can not help when already getting too much spam to cope with.) Regards, Peter Coghlan.
Speaking of RPG.... was :Re: Is IBM RPG classic?
Hi all, This discussion brought up some memories. Until I retired, I was in the media conversion business (read : handling media Windows did not support). One of my customers was the danish Custom and Tax authority, and they had a peculiar problem. They wanted the incoming data to be verified before the data was forwarded to the mainframe, so they did not have to search through boxes of media when errors were found, in order to be able to return the medium to the supplier. The software used for the conversion, was called 'Intermedia for Windows'. Apart from being able to do normal conversions, there was the possibility to lead the data through a customer-defined DLL, before being written to the ouputfile. So what I had to do, was to develop a Windows DLL, doing whatever was specified by the customer, including writing errorlists, table look-ups and other niceties. And as the customer had RPG-II experience in-house, the job was clearly defined. This was accomplished by writing an RPG-II editor, written in Delphi. A program would then interprete the RPG-II source, and would then compile it into a DLL. Surprisingly, it worked quite well /Nico On 2019-12-16 15:24, Guy N. via cctalk wrote: On Sun, 2019-12-15 at 20:16 -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Dijkstra had clever nasty things to say about many programming languages. I can't find his opinion about RPG. Unprintable, even on the interwebs? :-) Thanks for all the replies, both humorous and informative. I'll try to find out what version of RPG my friend has the misfortune to be working with, and what platform it's on.
Re: Is IBM RPG classic?
On Sun, 2019-12-15 at 20:16 -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Dijkstra had clever nasty things to say about many programming languages. > I can't find his opinion about RPG. Unprintable, even on the interwebs? :-) Thanks for all the replies, both humorous and informative. I'll try to find out what version of RPG my friend has the misfortune to be working with, and what platform it's on.
