Re: Wanted: 3B2/1000 login!

2019-12-26 Thread null via cctalk
Obviously, I will take care of you on this.

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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 16:18, Seth Morabito via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Maybe a long shot, but does anyone have a 3B2/1000 running SVR 3.2.3
> that I could get an account on? Specifically, I need one with a compiler
> installed. There's a publicly accessible one at the Living Computer
> Museum, but unfortunately there are no compilers or assemblers installed
> on it at all :(
> 
> I'm working on adding 3B2/1000 support to my 3B2 emulator, and need to
> run some tests against a real one to be sure my behavior is correct.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> -Seth
> -- 
> Seth Morabito
> w...@loomcom.com


Re: First Internet message

2019-12-26 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk



> On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> And, a Happy Humbug to you, too!
> Fleas Navy Dad and Yo new huevo!spellling?
> 
> 
>> I^@^Ym not familiar with U.S. law but didn^@^Yt Xerox ^@^Xown^@^Y the 
>> patent(s) t$ technology? Again to my knowledge Microsoft and Apple both 
>> ^@^Xappropriated^@^Y and/or ^@^Xmisapproriated^@^Y, depending on your 
>> point-of-view, this exact technology!
> 
> Xerox took the position that ideas like that were not patentable, and could 
> not be hoarded for financial gain.  It is not clear to me whether that was a 
> truly altruistic position, or a tacit acknowledgement that it was resistance 
> is futile.

The rules have changed over time.  Whether that's by bureaucratic fiat or by 
changes to the law I'm not sure.

For example, at one point software wasn't considered patentable, which meant 
Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman had to twist themselves into some contortions to 
patent the RSA algorithm.  It was done by describing it as a device, I think.  
Not long afterwards, software patents became possible.  The Xerox work may have 
been in the earlier period.

Some companies weren't as serious about patents as others; I worked for a 
startup around 1997 that didn't care to patent anything, which was really 
rather stupid of them.   But large companies like Xerox do tend to understand 
their options here.

paul




Re: First Internet message

2019-12-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk

And, a Happy Humbug to you, too!
Fleas Navy Dad and Yo new huevo!spellling?


I^@^Ym not familiar with U.S. law but didn^@^Yt Xerox ^@^Xown^@^Y the 
patent(s) t$ technology? Again to my knowledge Microsoft and Apple both 
^@^Xappropriated^@^Y and/or ^@^Xmisapproriated^@^Y, depending on your 
point-of-view, this exact technology!


Xerox took the position that ideas like that were not patentable, and 
could not be hoarded for financial gain.  It is not clear to me whether 
that was a truly altruistic position, or a tacit acknowledgement that it 
was resistance is futile.

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  RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!


Does commercial-use, read profit, subsume legal rights
eventually in the U.S. and I suppose elsewhere in the capitalist world?


Not OFFICIALLY.
However, those with more money have more and better lawyers.
"Justice is not for sale".  But it can be bought.


Given what has happened in the past 45 yrs. or so, and the almost equal
value of Microsoft and Apple(determined by the stock exchange), has the
marketplace prevailed? Have we the consumer benefited the most or more
accurately the 2 richest high-tech, transnational corporations?


Wouldn't it be nice if we, the consumer, would benefit?

Apple, having copied the technology brought legal actions against 
Microsoft and Digital Research (GEM).  Apple and Microsoft made some 
unpublicized deal(s).
Maybe I'm cynical, ("MAYBE??!?") 
but I interpret it as "We stole it FIRST" (much like the battles between 
the european interests over America).


Xerox did not assert ownership of the ideas.


Analogously, a story from the usual unreliable source:
In 1946, "It's A Wonderful Life" seemed to be a failure at 
the box office.  In 28 years (the duration of USA copyright in those 
days), 1974, it hadn't even broken even, so they didn't bother to renew 
the copyright, although they said that that was due to "a paperwork 
snafu".
BTW, Disney et al lobbied for extremely extended copyright duration; the 
motto of the intellectual property lawyers is "Don't mess with the 
mouse!".
When "It's A Wonderful Life" became public domain, independent TV stations 
and small networks had a grand opportunity to have something that they 
could play without royalties.  So, they played it.  A LOT.  It saturated 
the playlists.

The public got used to it, and it became "a Christmas Tradition".
It became the most popular home video of all time (even more than porn)
In 1993, Republic Pictures cited Steward V Abend (SCROTUS 1990), and 
re-acquired the sound rights, and re-asserted ownership of the picture!
So, now that the movie was an enormous success, the TV stations HAD to 
continue the holiday tradition, but now had to pay royalties!


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com


On Thu, 26 Dec 2019, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:


I???m not familiar with U.S. law but didn???t Xerox ???own??? the patent(s) to 
GUI
technology? Again to my knowledge Microsoft and Apple both ???appropriated???
and/or ???misapproriated???, depending on your point-of-view, this exact
technology! Does commercial-use, read profit, subsume legal rights
eventually in the U.S. and I suppose elsewhere in the capitalist world?
Given what has happened in the past 45 yrs. or so, and the almost equal
value of Microsoft and Apple(determined by the stock exchange), has the
marketplace prevailed? Have we the consumer benefited the most or more
accurately the 2 richest high-tech, transnational corporations?


Happy computing - and best wishes for a prosperous New Year for all.



Murray  ???


Re: First Internet message

2019-12-26 Thread Murray McCullough via cctalk
I’m not familiar with U.S. law but didn’t Xerox ‘own’ the patent(s) to GUI
technology? Again to my knowledge Microsoft and Apple both ‘appropriated’
and/or ‘misapproriated’, depending on your point-of-view, this exact
technology! Does commercial-use, read profit, subsume legal rights
eventually in the U.S. and I suppose elsewhere in the capitalist world?
Given what has happened in the past 45 yrs. or so, and the almost equal
value of Microsoft and Apple(determined by the stock exchange), has the
marketplace prevailed? Have we the consumer benefited the most or more
accurately the 2 richest high-tech, transnational corporations?


Happy computing - and best wishes for a prosperous New Year for all.



 Murray  ☺