Re: 2.11bsd rogue can't build
Thanks for the leads, everyone! I made a little progress: I did read enough about ld to get it to load the .o files from the initial cc run into a separate I overlaid executable. But when I execute it, it gives me Segmentation fault (core dumped).. There was one complaint of Undefined during the ld run even though I said -lc_p (and validated that _environ is in that .a file using nm. Undefined: _environ but it seemed to succeed in building the executable despite that. Well, I'm guessing it succeeded because the output file rogue is sitting there afterwards and has been marked executable, which, according to the man page, ld doesn't mark that way unless it succeeds. [35] root--> ld -t -v -M -i -X -x init.o main.o level.o score.o machdep.o inventory.o -Z hit.o monster.o -Z message.o move.o -Z object.o pack.o play.o -Z curses.o random.o ring.o -Z room.o -Z save.o spec_hit.o -Z throw.o trap.o -Z use.o zap.o -Y -o rogue -lcurses -ltermlib -lc_p [36] root--> size rogue textdatabss dec hex 44928 18554 10520 74002 12112 total text: 88704 overlays: 7616,6144,7488,1856,4352,6144,3840,6336 [37] root--> ./rogue Segmentation fault (core dumped) See anything amiss in my process? That Undefined _environ during ld still bugs me. Is the next step dissecting the program or its core with adb to find what's wrong? thx jake
Re: Mystery 1970 core board
Don't forget Pluribus used the same boards. I think most of those were finally scrapped in the late 90s. They had been repurposed after I think it was Citibank dumped a lot of them. bb On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 9:28 AM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > On 3/6/20 4:42 AM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: > > > Thanks, Al! Definitely it. Hopefully I'll make it back to the site at some > > point and see if there are more related boards, although I think > > everything that was left had been "decommissioned" and had the card edges > > snipped off (which is the case for the diode-matrix ROM boot board > > that I snagged at the same time) > > > > > > considering how rare these boards are, even the goldbug snipped ones would be > useful to take pictures of > if there is ever a need for component ID or circuit tracing > >
Re: ISO earl TI DSP kits
On 3/6/20 11:53 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > CHM doesn't seem to have much early DSP stuff in the collection > Does anyone have any of the TMS32010/20/30 or C1x/2x/3x hw/sw kicking around? and sure enough, the 320C3x I had been watching on eBay vanished. thanks a lot
Re: ISO earl TI DSP kits
I'm glad you've scanned those docs in, because I lost my hardcopies of TI docs some years ago. Don't ask. I don't have any of the EVM's or SDK's, and I'm on the lookout for the 9995-based 32010 evaluation board, but I do have have an XDS emulator for the 32010. Non-functioning, but it is interesting in having a 9996 host CPU I'm wanting to delve into for which I can't find a datasheet. jbdigriz On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:53:27 -0800 Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > CHM doesn't seem to have much early DSP stuff in the collection > Does anyone have any of the TMS32010/20/30 or C1x/2x/3x hw/sw kicking > around? > > Other than the docs I've scanned there doesn't seem to be much on the > web either. >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: Hello all, What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on the subject. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! Hooray for Cult of the Dead Cow!! [[___]] (x X) \ / (U) moo This was becoming a train wreck until this. Made my day. :D g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Jim - I agree. In the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal. Life goes on. On the flip side, this should serve as a reminder for people to sign up and participate in these events instead of sitting on the fence. Doing things in real life can require a lot of effort, and those things often suffer from a lack of participation. When something is successful people should savor it because depending on the "something" there are so many ways for it to fail. That's true whether it is a computer meetup (small in the grand scheme of things), a relative making it out of high school or college, or somebody accomplishing something. Failure is all around us celebrate even the small things that don't fail. We had two good years and we dodged a snowstorm by luck. This year we weren't so lucky. That's today's motivational message. Back to drudge work ...
Re: ISO earl TI DSP kits
related, if anyone made a copy of the TI bbs320 ftp site. I did find at least one copy I made of the Moto 56K DrBubb files On 3/6/20 11:53 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > CHM doesn't seem to have much early DSP stuff in the collection > Does anyone have any of the TMS32010/20/30 or C1x/2x/3x hw/sw kicking around? > > Other than the docs I've scanned there doesn't seem to be much on the web > either. >
ISO earl TI DSP kits
CHM doesn't seem to have much early DSP stuff in the collection Does anyone have any of the TMS32010/20/30 or C1x/2x/3x hw/sw kicking around? Other than the docs I've scanned there doesn't seem to be much on the web either.
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On 2020-03-06 1:37 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: > Hello all, > What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to > say on the subject. Good. > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! > > On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: >> Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer >> reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world >> health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based >> on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good >> information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess >> that exists in national sources. >> >> Warner >> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk >> >> wrote: >> >>> Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. >>> FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical >>> sources. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk >>> wrote: Hello all, The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is >>> there > a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' > hard > work? > > Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> The short story: COVID-19 >> >> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. >> >> >> Mike >> >
eBay: 2x IBM 5114 and 5103
I don't have enough space, but these look neat! https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-5114-disk-drive-5103-printer-for-5110-computer-two-of-each-/333407338900 -- Anders
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 01:02:50PM -0600, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > I hope you can weather the storm without too much personal hurt. As > much time and effort as you have put into the event and the pride we > are have for such events +1 mcl
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: Hello all, What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on the subject. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! Doesn't the Living Computer Museum have a CDC 6500?
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On 3/6/2020 11:50 AM, Michael Brutman via cctalk wrote: It was not a public health order. Vulcan, Inc. is erring on the side of caution and shut the museum down. I had no input or choice in the manner, and regardless of what I think (positive or negative) it is out of my hands. I hope you can weather the storm without too much personal hurt. As much time and effort as you have put into the event and the pride we are have for such events, this is not a critical event in the grand scheme of things, but I am sure some people will lash out as if it is/was. Ignore them if you can. I put an incredible amount of time into this event, and have for the last three years. Right now the mission is to get the word out and try to make it easier for the people who have been impacted. (Plane tickets, travel reservations, vacation time, etc.) I chose to cancel than postpone because we really don't know how far this goes. Perhaps in a few weeks we'll know more, but there are other considerations too including other events (not necessarily ours) that we don't want to conflict with. I was a bit surprised that it was not a "postponed until further notice", but postponed versus canceled is probably equivalent in the short term (people need to deal with plane tickets, unbook hotels, etc. in the same way) Jim
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Hello all, What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on the subject. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! Hooray for Cult of the Dead Cow!! [[___]] (x X) \ / (U) moo
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
The CDC does *NOT* say that the flu is more of a threat than COVID-19. Given that it's early in flu season, we cannot yet know which will be more deadly this year. We're at the left hand side of the exponential curve so comparisons to prior year's full year data are not valid. Warner On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:37 AM Richard Pope wrote: > Hello all, > What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to > say on the subject. > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! > > On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer > > reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world > > health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice > based > > on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good > > information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess > > that exists in national sources. > > > > Warner > > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. > >> FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical > >> sources. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk > >> wrote: > >>> Hello all, > >>> The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be > >>> at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are > sick > >>> just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. > >>> The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing > a > >>> mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through > >>> the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please > stay > >>> home. > >>> GOD Bless and Thanks, > >>> rich! > >>> > >>> On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is > >> there > a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' > hard > work? > > Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > The short story: COVID-19 > > > > More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. > > > > > > Mike > > > >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Hello all, What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on the subject. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess that exists in national sources. Warner On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote: Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical sources. On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: Hello all, The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard work? Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: The short story: COVID-19 More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. Mike
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Getting back on topic - VCF PNW 2020 ... John - thanks for the kind words. The T-shirt is fantastic - I designed it myself. :-) (You can see the mockup on the website.) I still plan on sending t-shirts to all of the exhibitors, volunteers and speakers. And I'll try to do some mail order for people like you who want a great shirt and want to support us. I had been talking to museum personnel before the decision was made and honestly it was a surprise to me. Things changed very quickly after King County announced guidance asking organizers of large events to consider cancelling them. The exact words regarding large events were: "Event and community gathering considerations - If you can feasibly avoid bringing large groups of people together, consider postponing events and gatherings." https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/communicable-diseases/disease-control/novel-coronavirus/protection.aspx It was not a public health order. Vulcan, Inc. is erring on the side of caution and shut the museum down. I had no input or choice in the manner, and regardless of what I think (positive or negative) it is out of my hands. I put an incredible amount of time into this event, and have for the last three years. Right now the mission is to get the word out and try to make it easier for the people who have been impacted. (Plane tickets, travel reservations, vacation time, etc.) I chose to cancel than postpone because we really don't know how far this goes. Perhaps in a few weeks we'll know more, but there are other considerations too including other events (not necessarily ours) that we don't want to conflict with. Thanks for understanding and stay safe ... Mike
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess that exists in national sources. Warner On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote: > Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. > FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical > sources. > > > On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be > > at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick > > just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. > > The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a > > mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through > > the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay > > home. > > GOD Bless and Thanks, > > rich! > > > > On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > > > Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is > there > > > a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard > > > work? > > > > > > Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < > > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > >> The short story: COVID-19 > > >> > > >> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. > > >> > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >
Re: Mystery 1970 core board
On 3/6/20 4:42 AM, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: Thanks, Al! Definitely it. Hopefully I'll make it back to the site at some point and see if there are more related boards, although I think everything that was left had been "decommissioned" and had the card edges snipped off (which is the case for the diode-matrix ROM boot board that I snagged at the same time) considering how rare these boards are, even the goldbug snipped ones would be useful to take pictures of if there is ever a need for component ID or circuit tracing
Re: Mystery 1970 core board
On 3/4/20 1:15 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: found it in this MAC-16 ad https://adspast.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=62927 Thanks, Al! Definitely it. Hopefully I'll make it back to the site at some point and see if there are more related boards, although I think everything that was left had been "decommissioned" and had the card edges snipped off (which is the case for the diode-matrix ROM boot board that I snagged at the same time)
Re: RDI BriteLite
Alan, thank you for the photos. I have no idea it was a proprietary framebuffer. Do you remember what voltage the RDI uses ? Best regards, Plamen On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:04 PM Alan Perry via cctech wrote: > > > On 3/5/20 7:44 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote: > > > > > >> On Mar 5, 2020, at 05:20, Plamen Mihaylov via cctech < > cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone have such machine ? I miss the PSU adapter as well as the > Sbus > >> framebuffer which connects the LCD panel to the mainboard. Any info is > >> appreciated. > > > > > > I had one, but sold it to someone on this list last year. > > > > I used a generic power supply, one with multiple cord tips and > selectable output. However, when I exhibited the BriteLite and had it > running all day, the power supply died after a day and a half. > > > > Good luck on finding a frame buffer for it. I don’t remember the details > about it, but I took lots of photos of it. > > Here is a Flickr album of the insides of what was my BriteLite IPX, > including the LCD frame buffer - https://flic.kr/s/aHsmLNnBuU > > alan > > > > > alan > > > > > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Plamen > > >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical sources. On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: > > Hello all, > The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be > at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick > just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. > The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a > mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through > the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay > home. > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! > > On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > > Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there > > a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard > > work? > > > > Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> The short story: COVID-19 > >> > >> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. > >> > >> > >> Mike > >> >
Re: 2.11bsd rogue can't build
On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 12:39 AM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 3/6/2020 12:06 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 11:15 PM Keven Miller(3k) via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> I don't have knowledge of the system - just a programmer. > >> But could it be the difference of static vz dynamic libraries? > >> > > > > 2.11 and all pdp-11 unix have no shared libraries. The hardware makes > this > > super hard to dom > > > > pulling in libnnn.a instead of libnnn.so /.sl / ?? runtime library? > >> That would make the text larger, if static linking. > >> > > > > No. It's almost certainly the overlay structure is overflowing and needs > to > > be redone. > > > > Warner > > > > Keven Miller > > Can curses be stripped down just for the terminals used? > Curses is table driven from a file, so no. It already is small. There may be a little bit of excess to trim, but it won't be a big win. Warner >
