Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
On 8/21/20 1:49 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: How many here think that 2010 Macbook Pros running Windows are "CLASSIC"? Certainly sympathize with the problems, but if 4MHz processor and bumping the RAM up to 64K doesn't work, then perhaps a "CURRENT MODEL Macintosh" group (there might be some on Facebook) might be a more productive venue for the search? I have a MacBook. It's at least as old as my UltraSparc. :-) bill
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > How many here think that 2010 Macbook Pros running Windows are "CLASSIC"? > > Certainly sympathize with the problems, but if 4MHz processor and bumping the > RAM up to 64K doesn't work, then perhaps a "CURRENT MODEL Macintosh" group > (there might be some on Facebook) might be a more productive venue for the > search? It’s definitely not current, it’s no longer supported by Apple. Plus at 10 years old, by the *ORIGINAL* definition of this group, it’s on topic. I’m mildly amused by how many of us are obviously running this vintage Mac laptop. I don’t know what the options are for MacBook Pro’s, but there is a fascinating Facebook group for the original Mac Pro’s (non-Trashcan, non-current). People are hacking the older Mac Pro’s (esp. 2010’s) to be closer to, or better than the Trashcan. Zane
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
How many here think that 2010 Macbook Pros running Windows are "CLASSIC"? Certainly sympathize with the problems, but if 4MHz processor and bumping the RAM up to 64K doesn't work, then perhaps a "CURRENT MODEL Macintosh" group (there might be some on Facebook) might be a more productive venue for the search?
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
My 2011 has a new battery as of this spring. *Everything* worked, including a several-hour battery life, but the swelling of the battery made it hard to click the trackpad. That is indeed worth a check. Tom’s suggestion is a good one. - Mark 210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell On Aug 21, 2020, at 9:33 AM, George Rachor via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Battery was replaced in the 15 inch last year… On original battery in the 17…. George ... I am curious how your batteries are doing in those two MacBook Pros. Are they still original? If yes, is there any swelling noticeable and any weirdness with the touch pad? Thanks Tom Hunter On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:16 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: There must be a better resource than this list for something THAT obsolete. On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, George Rachor via cctalk wrote: I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for?
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
NO excessive fan noise. I had the back off while changing disks and were pretty clean. Yes.. I could add temp monitoring to see if they are being throttled. Thermal paste can get hard and stop conducting heat. Also, the heatpipes can fail and quit moving the heat from the processor or GPU over to the heat exchanger (the little radiator and fan.) Both will cause CPU to throttle way down. See if it's an issue, if so may need to remove the heatpipe setup or heatsink and respooge it. - Ethan -- : Ethan O'Toole
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
Battery was replaced in the 15 inch last year… On original battery in the 17…. George > On Aug 21, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi Fred, > > I am curious how your batteries are doing in those two MacBook Pros. Are > they still original? If yes, is there any swelling noticeable and any > weirdness with the touch pad? > > Thanks > Tom Hunter > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:16 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >> There must be a better resource than this list for something THAT >> obsolete. >> >> On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, George Rachor via cctalk wrote: >> >>> I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB >> hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system >> have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. >> With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for? >> >> >>
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
Hi Fred, I am curious how your batteries are doing in those two MacBook Pros. Are they still original? If yes, is there any swelling noticeable and any weirdness with the touch pad? Thanks Tom Hunter On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 7:16 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > There must be a better resource than this list for something THAT > obsolete. > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, George Rachor via cctalk wrote: > > > I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB > hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system > have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. > With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for? > > >
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
There must be a better resource than this list for something THAT obsolete. On Thu, 20 Aug 2020, George Rachor via cctalk wrote: I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for?
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
NO excessive fan noise. I had the back off while changing disks and were pretty clean. Yes.. I could add temp monitoring to see if they are being throttled. George > On Aug 20, 2020, at 11:11 PM, Raymond Wiker wrote: > > It may be good idea to check the CPU temperature and the airflow inside the > computer - dust buildup may reduce airflow and cooling, which in turn may > cause CPU throttling. > >> On 21 Aug 2020, at 07:50, George Rachor via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> I’ll check in the morning but believe the 2 machines are identical except >> for screen size. I’ll also check for the same version of Parallels. I >> assume since these are 2010 machines I could upgrade the Parallels to >> current. They are both running High Sierra. >> >> On startup the 17” . Takes a very long time to show the >> desktop icons. I have the feeling the problem isn’t Parallels as there is >> slowness in email and iTunes without Parallels being started up. >> >> >> George >> >> >>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Zane Healy wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 5:14 PM, George Rachor via cctalk >>> wrote: I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for? >>> >>> Do they have the same CPU’s, and the same version of Parallels? Might be >>> something with the Windows install on the one? >>> >>> Zane >>> >>> >> >
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
I got the 17” just before Ecobinary moved from the Beaverton location. I have heard they are no more. They both have ESET internet security but will run Malware bytes in the morning. George > On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:58 PM, Zane Healy wrote: > > Do you have “Tech Tool Pro”, or anything like that? It sounds like you need > to run some diag’s on the 17” one. Something isn’t right. If nothing else, > run the mac disk check on it. I’m a big believer in DiskWarrior on the Mac. > > I assume these are the ones you got from Eco? That was a great tip, my wife > and I are loving ours. Any idea if they’re still around? I stopped in at > the new location in January, but I see the website is down now. > > Zane > > > > >> On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:50 PM, George Rachor wrote: >> >> I’ll check in the morning but believe the 2 machines are identical except >> for screen size. I’ll also check for the same version of Parallels. I >> assume since these are 2010 machines I could upgrade the Parallels to >> current. They are both running High Sierra. >> >> On startup the 17” . Takes a very long time to show the >> desktop icons. I have the feeling the problem isn’t Parallels as there is >> slowness in email and iTunes without Parallels being started up. >> >> >> George >> >> >>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Zane Healy wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 5:14 PM, George Rachor via cctalk >>> wrote: I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for? >>> >>> Do they have the same CPU’s, and the same version of Parallels? Might be >>> something with the Windows install on the one? >>> >>> Zane >>> >>> >> >
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
Oh ya.. Both are running the current version of ESET Internet security for what that is worth. No problems detected with full scans. George > On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:50 PM, George Rachor wrote: > > I’ll check in the morning but believe the 2 machines are identical except for > screen size. I’ll also check for the same version of Parallels. I assume > since these are 2010 machines I could upgrade the Parallels to current. They > are both running High Sierra. > > On startup the 17” . Takes a very long time to show the > desktop icons. I have the feeling the problem isn’t Parallels as there is > slowness in email and iTunes without Parallels being started up. > > > George > > >> On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Zane Healy wrote: >> >> On Aug 20, 2020, at 5:14 PM, George Rachor via cctalk >> wrote: >>> >>> I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB >>> hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system >>> have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. >>> With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for? >> >> Do they have the same CPU’s, and the same version of Parallels? Might be >> something with the Windows install on the one? >> >> Zane >> >> >
Re: ITS version 671 from 1971 found
Warner Losh wrote: >> A rather complete full dump of the MIT-AI PDP-10 from 1971 has been >> found. > > Where? How? Will it be made available? Where: In the "ToTS" archives, see https://archivesspace.mit.edu/repositories/2/resources/1265 How: MIT has given me access to the archives, for research only. I'm not allowed to publish files, but I'm snooping around. Other people have been working on the material years ago, but this particular tape had escaped notice. Made available: It's up to MIT to decide. They previously released this on my suggestion: https://github.com/MITDDC/zork
Re: ITS version 671 from 1971 found
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 12:21 AM Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > From the incompatible department of classic computement: A rather > complete full dump of the MIT-AI PDP-10 from 1971 has been found. It > includes full source code and documentation for the system, including > ITS version 671, DDT, TECO, MIDAS, (MAC)LISP, CHESS (MacHack), MUDDLE, > LOGO, MACSYMA, etc. > Where? How? Will it be made available? Way cool Warner >
ITS version 671 from 1971 found
>From the incompatible department of classic computement: A rather complete full dump of the MIT-AI PDP-10 from 1971 has been found. It includes full source code and documentation for the system, including ITS version 671, DDT, TECO, MIDAS, (MAC)LISP, CHESS (MacHack), MUDDLE, LOGO, MACSYMA, etc.
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
It may be good idea to check the CPU temperature and the airflow inside the computer - dust buildup may reduce airflow and cooling, which in turn may cause CPU throttling. > On 21 Aug 2020, at 07:50, George Rachor via cctalk > wrote: > > I’ll check in the morning but believe the 2 machines are identical except for > screen size. I’ll also check for the same version of Parallels. I assume > since these are 2010 machines I could upgrade the Parallels to current. They > are both running High Sierra. > > On startup the 17” . Takes a very long time to show the > desktop icons. I have the feeling the problem isn’t Parallels as there is > slowness in email and iTunes without Parallels being started up. > > > George > > >> On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Zane Healy wrote: >> >> On Aug 20, 2020, at 5:14 PM, George Rachor via cctalk >> wrote: >>> >>> I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB >>> hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system >>> have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. >>> With RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for? >> >> Do they have the same CPU’s, and the same version of Parallels? Might be >> something with the Windows install on the one? >> >> Zane >> >> >
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
I’ll check in the morning but believe the 2 machines are identical except for screen size. I’ll also check for the same version of Parallels. I assume since these are 2010 machines I could upgrade the Parallels to current. They are both running High Sierra. On startup the 17” . Takes a very long time to show the desktop icons. I have the feeling the problem isn’t Parallels as there is slowness in email and iTunes without Parallels being started up. George > On Aug 20, 2020, at 10:44 PM, Zane Healy wrote: > > On Aug 20, 2020, at 5:14 PM, George Rachor via cctalk > wrote: >> >> I have 2 2010 macbook pro's. Each have 8GB of Ram and both have a 2 TB >> hybrid seagate hard drives. Running Windows via Parallels. 15 inch system >> have reasonable perfomance. 17 inch system just crawls running windows. With >> RAM maxed out what else should I be looking for? > > Do they have the same CPU’s, and the same version of Parallels? Might be > something with the Windows install on the one? > > Zane > >
