Re: Computer stores
When dozens or hundreds start up within weeks or months of each other, every one is important, and most are interesting, but "FIRST" or "STARTED THE TREND" (implying being the "first") cease to really mean anything. It's generally better to never use the word "FIRST"; there is almost always a lesser known one that was earlier. The trend from being a sideline within a business, to becoming the primary focus of the business can seem anticlimactic, but is what marks the core of the transition. Think of Fry's, NLS, etc. On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: On 8/22/2020 9:53 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 8/22/20 8:52 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: 45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new industry, the retail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name Arrow Head COmputer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the direct marketing of microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses of the middle class, albeit a small market 45 yrs. ago. Happy computing. Murray Does this precede Paul Terrell's Byte Shop #1 in Mountain View, CA? --Chuck Not soon after, Dave and Tom Freeman, Advanced Computer Products in Santa Ana, CA. thanks JIm
Re: Computer stores
On 8/22/2020 9:53 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 8/22/20 8:52 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: 45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new industry, the retail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name Arrow Head COmputer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the direct marketing of microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses of the middle class, albeit a small market 45 yrs. ago. Happy computing. Murray Does this precede Paul Terrell's Byte Shop #1 in Mountain View, CA? --Chuck Not soon after, Dave and Tom Freeman, Advanced Computer Products in Santa Ana, CA. thanks JIm
Re: old data books?
On 08/22/2020 03:02 PM, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: I'm trying to reduce the amount of "stuff" I have and I've been carrying around a significant number of old data books. My plan has always been to have all of the resources I need in my retirement (assuming I get there) to work on and repair the various vintage computing hardware I've also collected over time and have been storing. My question is if I this information is all now available online or if I need to keep these data books. My guess is that it is some of both. No, they are NOT all available online. A lot of old stuff is, and that's great, but some really ODD circuits that were used in a limited number of products might not be found online. Which oddball chips are not represented is really hard to say. But, in repairing some old gear at work, I have run across some chips that were ONLY found in my stock of old databooks. That might be less of an issue today than 20 years ago, though. Jon
Re: old data books?
Tom, Generally-speaking what do you have? I keep a paper copy of useful 70's databooks for reference, but I don't have everything so I might be interested if I can fill any gaps. Best Bill Degnan vintagecomputer.net kennettclassic.com On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 4:02 PM Tom Uban via cctalk wrote: > I'm trying to reduce the amount of "stuff" I have and I've been carrying > around a significant number > of old data books. My plan has always been to have all of the resources I > need in my retirement > (assuming I get there) to work on and repair the various vintage computing > hardware I've also > collected over time and have been storing. > > My question is if I this information is all now available online or if I > need to keep these data > books. My guess is that it is some of both. > > Also, if I decide to part with these, should I create a list and make them > available for the cost of > shipping or just recycle them? Maybe someone collects them? > > --tom > >
old data books?
I'm trying to reduce the amount of "stuff" I have and I've been carrying around a significant number of old data books. My plan has always been to have all of the resources I need in my retirement (assuming I get there) to work on and repair the various vintage computing hardware I've also collected over time and have been storing. My question is if I this information is all now available online or if I need to keep these data books. My guess is that it is some of both. Also, if I decide to part with these, should I create a list and make them available for the cost of shipping or just recycle them? Maybe someone collects them? --tom
Re: Computer stores
> On August 22, 2020 at 12:15 PM Lyle Bickley via cctech > wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:52:19 -0400Murray McCullough via cctalk > wrote: > > 45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new industry, > > theretail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name Arrow > > HeadCOmputer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the direct > > marketingof microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses of the middle > > class,albeit a small market 45 yrs. ago. > > Happy computing.Claiming "First" in computer "anything" is just about > > always a dangerous thing;) > But for sure, several personal computer stores existed 45 years ago! > Personal Computer Corporation (whom Stan Veit wrote created the term > "PersonalComputer") was formed by Everett Holland on Jan 4, 1976 as an "S" > Corp. Thebusiness started with a store in Frazier, PA in March of 1976. The He didn't directly claim first. Just that Heiser started an industry. However, July 75 (45 years ago) is certainly before Terrel's Byte shop (Dec 75 according to Wikipedia) and the March 76 listed above. Will
Re: Computer stores
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:52:19 -0400 Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > 45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new industry, the > retail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name Arrow Head > COmputer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the direct marketing > of microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses of the middle class, > albeit a small market 45 yrs. ago. > > Happy computing. Claiming "First" in computer "anything" is just about always a dangerous thing ;) But for sure, several personal computer stores existed 45 years ago! Personal Computer Corporation (whom Stan Veit wrote created the term "Personal Computer") was formed by Everett Holland on Jan 4, 1976 as an "S" Corp. The business started with a store in Frazier, PA in March of 1976. The first employee (and "tech") was Dave Hilton. I became an "angel" investor about 1977 and ultimately became Ch. of the Bd. of PCC. At our opening we sold Imsai and Digital Group Computers - plus S-100 boards from a number of manufacturers. At the time we opened, there were approximately 15 computer stores in the U.S., mostly in California. In the same year we started (1976), Stan Veit opened the Computer Mart of New York. Cheers, Lyle -- 73 NM6Y Bickley Consulting West https://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
Re: Computer stores
On 8/22/20 8:52 AM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > 45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new industry, the > retail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name Arrow Head > COmputer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the direct marketing > of microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses of the middle class, > albeit a small market 45 yrs. ago. > > Happy computing. > > Murray Does this precede Paul Terrell's Byte Shop #1 in Mountain View, CA? --Chuck
Computer stores
45 yrs. ago last month, mid-July, Dick Heiser started a new industry, the retail computer store. It opened in West L.A. under the name Arrow Head COmputer Company. aka, The Computer Store. This began the direct marketing of microcomputers to hobbyists, later to the masses of the middle class, albeit a small market 45 yrs. ago. Happy computing. Murray
Re: 2 2010 macbook pro's --- vast performance differences....
How many here think that 2010 Macbook Pros running Windows are "CLASSIC"? I think everything is on-topic for "cctalk", isn't it? Unfortunately, the "cctech" moderated view of the list hasn't worked properly since the list server was rebuilt after a crash several years ago so we are all effectively stuck with the "cctalk" view of the list whether we like it or not. This is not so bad though as there has been next to no truly off-topic stuff on "cctalk" for a very long time now. (I hope I haven't jinxed it by saying it out loud though...) Certainly sympathize with the problems, but if 4MHz processor and bumping the RAM up to 64K doesn't work, then perhaps a "CURRENT MODEL Macintosh" group (there might be some on Facebook) might be a more productive venue for the search? I agree it might be a bit borderline for "cctech" but I think it's fine for "cctalk" by definition. Regards, Peter Coghlan.
