Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
On 14/05/2021 13:45, John Foust via cctalk wrote: In the USA, it is not uncommon that a public library would have such a CD/DVD rescue machine, too. Ask a librarian. It's moot now (until I come across the next one, I guess). But given the cost and the fact that I have a 100% hit rate right now, I have to say IBM (It's Better Manually) :-) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
On 14/05/2021 13:40, Zane Healy wrote: Much to my surprise, I think I’m actually more interested in the Online Doc Library from ‘89 than in the CONDIST’s. It immediately made me think of VTBOOK. As of tomorrow, I’ll be on an 8-week Sabbatical, and I’m going to have to see about putting that Doc Library on PDXVAX, when taking a break from other projects. Zane I don't know how to programmatically check that the data blocks in that ISO are valid (by which I mean "match the original"). For backup savesets then BACKUP/ANALYZE is at least a starting point and the default is to write savesets with /CRC and to check the CRC on read. For DECW$BOOK stuff, I have no idea how you can be confident that it is 100% correct. Then again, it's just text you're going to read (line the [.LINE_DOCS] stuff) so I guess it's not hugely critical. Plus all the stuff I've recovered so far has at most 4096 missing bytes I think, which is 8 blocks at most. So the odds that you'd hit something bad are quite small. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
> On May 14, 2021, at 5:45 AM, John Foust via cctalk > wrote: > > At 12:03 PM 4/17/2021, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >> Do you have access to a Record Store that deals in used CDs? I know one of >> our local ones used to have a machine for resurfacing CDs, at the time, I >> didnât need to make use of the service. Another option might be used >> Video Game stores. > > In the USA, it is not uncommon that a public library would have > such a CD/DVD rescue machine, too. Ask a librarian. That’s an interesting point, they’d basically have to have one, at least in the same system as they are. I forget that Libraries are more about optical discs than books these days. :-( Of course I mainly forget that because I have more books on any topic that interests me, than our local library system. Zane
Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
At 12:03 PM 4/17/2021, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >Do you have access to a Record Store that deals in used CDs? I know one of >our local ones used to have a machine for resurfacing CDs, at the time, I >didnât need to make use of the service. Another option might be used Video >Game stores. In the USA, it is not uncommon that a public library would have such a CD/DVD rescue machine, too. Ask a librarian. - John
Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
> On May 14, 2021, at 3:08 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > There was the VTBOOK software on a DECUS release many years ago. It got > stomped on for a while and then DEC gave up the fight against PDF and (I > think) VTBOOK made it to the Freeware CD. That might help in working out the > format. Much to my surprise, I think I’m actually more interested in the Online Doc Library from ‘89 than in the CONDIST’s. It immediately made me think of VTBOOK. As of tomorrow, I’ll be on an 8-week Sabbatical, and I’m going to have to see about putting that Doc Library on PDXVAX, when taking a break from other projects. Zane
Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
On 14/05/2021 10:47, Malte Dehling wrote: Perfect! Thanks so much :-) The first two are now also on archive, the InfoServer CD will follow soon: Excellent. I plan on updating the description for the CONOLD CDs with a list of the books included. That probably means writing a script to extract that information from the DECW$BOOKSHELF files. I did look at the CONOLD and there didn't seem to be anything that would help (other than the bookshelf files). There was the VTBOOK software on a DECUS release many years ago. It got stomped on for a while and then DEC gave up the fight against PDF and (I think) VTBOOK made it to the Freeware CD. That might help in working out the format. Wow, thanks a lot! You are putting in some serious effort here! I'm glad this worked so well :-) I rather suspect that if I'd stopped the initial ddrescue when it was at 99% and just gone straight to the 1500 grit sandpaper, then I could have saved my DVD-RW a few days of work. I've just catalogued the VAX CONDIST/CONOLD sets I have and it comes in at 14 or so. I'm hoping that someone tells me that they're already archived before I start on those :-) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 08:18:33PM +0100, Antonio Carlini wrote: > On 12/05/2021 13:58, Malte Dehling wrote: > > > > Here are the links to the relevant archive.org uploads: > > > > https://archive.org/details/vms-conold-1989-07 > > https://archive.org/details/vms-ad-condist-1989-07 > > https://archive.org/details/vms-condist-1989-07 > > https://archive.org/details/vms-condist-1989-11 > > https://archive.org/details/digital-standards-1993-03 > > > > Let me know what you think! > > Thanks. Nice work, particularly grouping them together, pulling out the > JPEGs and seemingly mounting them to suck out the CD_CONTENTS.DAT! > > As a reward for your hard work here are a few more for you :-) > > I've now uploaded ag-nc67a-re.tar.xz, ag-mn36d-re.tar.xz and > ag-pcy4c-xe.tar.xz. > > These are: > > AG-NC67A-RE - VMS Online Documentation Library 1989-03 Disc 1 of 1 > AG-MN36D-RE - VMS Consolidated Software Distribution 1989-05 Disc 1 of 1 > AG-PCY4C-XE - InfoServer V2.0 Software Base Level 10 1991-11 Disc 1 of 1 Perfect! Thanks so much :-) The first two are now also on archive, the InfoServer CD will follow soon: https://archive.org/details/vms-conold-1989-03 https://archive.org/details/vms-condist-1989-05 I plan on updating the description for the CONOLD CDs with a list of the books included. That probably means writing a script to extract that information from the DECW$BOOKSHELF files. > AG-MN36D-RE in particular took over 5 days to rescue. In the end it managed > 99.41% and couldn't get any more data off the CDROM when run with -R. So, > despite the internet saying use 2000 and 3000 grit sandpaper, I went against > all the advice and recklessly tried a seven minute does of 1500 frit > sandpaper, followed by the usual vigorous polishing. I've included a > "before" image of the rear (non-label) side of the CDROM and a triangular > "blemish" is clearly visible near the centre and extending out into the data > region. 2000 grit didn't touch it, I could still feel it afterwards with my > fingernail. 1500 grit wiped it away completely and ddrescue got to work > immediately and took just 10 minutes or so to recover the missing data > (apart from 4096 bytes). Wow, thanks a lot! You are putting in some serious effort here! I'm glad this worked so well :-) Cheers, Malte -- Malte Dehling
Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 09:40:34AM +0100, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: > On 14/05/2021 00:19, Matt Burke via cctalk wrote: > > You might want to have a look at http://de.openvms.org/spl.php > > Thanks, that looks really useful. I'll have to work out which updates to > send him. I talked to him a while ago and I've sent him the cd_contents.dat files for your first round of uploads already (which is what he needs to update the database.) I'll send him the newer ones, too. Cheers, Malte -- Malte Dehling
Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x
On 14/05/2021 00:19, Matt Burke via cctalk wrote: You might want to have a look at http://de.openvms.org/spl.php Thanks, that looks really useful. I'll have to work out which updates to send him. Some time ago I made a copy of this data in an SQLite database which I've added some more entries to. You can download it here: http://www.9track.net/bits/dec/vms/spl.db.bz2 Thanks. You can see the entries I've added with SELECT * FROM spl WHERE rowid > 41236; Now I just need to read up on SQLite :) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
