Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Mark Linimon via cctalk
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 08:20:44PM -0700, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> Wifey has phone numbers and knows about several of these lists.

;-)


Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread jim stephens via cctalk

Wifey has phone numbers and knows about several of these lists.

thanks
Jim

On 9/18/2021 7:10 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:

On 9/18/21 7:32 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:

Which is worse, no basement or a wife 😁


To all the wives out there:  "no basement"







Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk

On 9/18/21 7:32 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:

Which is worse, no basement or a wife 😁


To all the wives out there:  "no basement"



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die


Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2021-09-18 9:39 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
> I did finally dump the first wife.  The second one is just too good to
> dump.
> 

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64153952.jpg



> On 9/18/2021 8:36 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
>> I'd dump the wife...
>>
>> Enviado do meu Tele-Movel
>>
>> Em sáb, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk
>> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> escreveu:
>>
>>     I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I
>>     bring
>>     some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement.  In
>>     her eyes it's all junk.
>>
>>     Which is worse, no basement or a wife 😁
>>
>>     It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full
>>     racks of
>>     PDP-8/E equipment.
>>
>>     On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
>>     mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex
>>     came with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift
>>     and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911.
>>     > You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good
>>     idea.  Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a
>>     large vintage TV to the head.  Thankfully I was okay, but it could
>>     have been much worse.  After that I started being more cautious.
>>     >
>>     >> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We
>>     were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were
>>     young than today.
>>     > Good point.  I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I
>>     was working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical.  The good
>>     news, I don’t have a basement. :-)
>>     >
>>     > Zane
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>
> 



Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk

I did finally dump the first wife.  The second one is just too good to dump.

On 9/18/2021 8:36 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote:

I'd dump the wife...

Enviado do meu Tele-Movel

Em sáb, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk 
mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> escreveu:


I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I
bring
some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement.  In
her eyes it's all junk.

Which is worse, no basement or a wife 😁

It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full
racks of
PDP-8/E equipment.

On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>
>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk
mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex
came with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift
and I get stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911.
> You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good
idea.  Back when my collection was in storage units, I took a
large vintage TV to the head.  Thankfully I was okay, but it could
have been much worse.  After that I started being more cautious.
>
>> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We
were far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were
young than today.
> Good point.  I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I
was working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical.  The good
news, I don’t have a basement. :-)
>
> Zane
>
>
>





Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Alexandre Souza via cctalk
I'd dump the wife...

Enviado do meu Tele-Movel

Em sáb, 18 de set de 2021 22:33, Mike Katz via cctalk 
escreveu:

> I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I bring
> some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement.  In
> her eyes it's all junk.
>
> Which is worse, no basement or a wife 😁
>
> It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full racks of
> PDP-8/E equipment.
>
> On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came
> with me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get
> stuck it would be nice to have someone there to call 911.
> > You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good idea.  Back
> when my collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the
> head.  Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse.  After
> that I started being more cautious.
> >
> >> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were
> far more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today.
> > Good point.  I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was
> working some of my old gear while on my Sabbatical.  The good news, I don’t
> have a basement. :-)
> >
> > Zane
> >
> >
> >
>
>


Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I have a basement but I also have a wife who complains everytime I bring 
some orphaned computer part (or camera) home and to the basement.  In 
her eyes it's all junk.


Which is worse, no basement or a wife 😁

It was because of my first wife (now ex) that I sold my 2 full racks of 
PDP-8/E equipment.


On 9/18/2021 3:40 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:



On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk  
wrote:

Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. 
This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would be 
nice to have someone there to call 911.

You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good idea.  Back when 
my collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the head.  
Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse.  After that I started 
being more cautious.


Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more 
able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today.

Good point.  I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was working some 
of my old gear while on my Sabbatical.  The good news, I don’t have a basement. 
:-)

Zane







Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair (is: TV and computer in the US)

2021-09-18 Thread jim stephens via cctalk




On 9/18/2021 1:45 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021, dwight via cctalk wrote:
Of course, Busicom was the first programed microprocessor driven 
calculator, it wasn't the first calculator using calculator ICs. That 
is what Busicom was trying to compete with, when going to Intel in 
the first place.


I think that the Sinclair used TI calculator ICs.
Unless he had a special "in" with TI, AND was fastest to market, then 
it is doubtful that he could legitimately claim to be "FIRST".
I was really fascinated with the Sinclair TV when he brought it out.  It 
worked great and was a cool toy.


I don't recall for sure what computer showed up, but I'm not sure it was 
the ZX80, but it was a black thing with a touch

type keyboard.  I got it as soon as it was available.

At one point of course had to hook the computer to the TV and squint.  
To the  credit, the TV performed well enough

to see the screen, but of course wasn't really useful.

Both are lurking.  I hope the TV(s) show up in my move I have done 
recently as I unpack. There are 2 varieties of the
Panasonic 1" sets, and the Sinclair.  Also a 1" viewfinder wired to run 
off of some voltage with a generic RCA compatable

input.

thanks
Jim



Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021, dwight via cctalk wrote:
Of course, Busicom was the first programed microprocessor driven 
calculator, it wasn't the first calculator using calculator ICs. That is 
what Busicom was trying to compete with, when going to Intel in the 
first place.


I think that the Sinclair used TI calculator ICs.
Unless he had a special "in" with TI, AND was fastest to market, then it 
is doubtful that he could legitimately claim to be "FIRST".


Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk



> On Sep 18, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. 
> This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would 
> be nice to have someone there to call 911.

You might be joking, but this is no joke, it’s a *VERY* good idea.  Back when 
my collection was in storage units, I took a large vintage TV to the head.  
Thankfully I was okay, but it could have been much worse.  After that I started 
being more cautious. 

> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more 
> able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today.

Good point.  I was reminded of this a few months ago, while I was working some 
of my old gear while on my Sabbatical.  The good news, I don’t have a basement. 
:-)

Zane





Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk

Clive Sinclair died at 81 after a long illness (probably not Covid)
'course now he is touted as being "the inventor of the pocket calculator"
(as with all "FIRST"s, it leaves out a few predecessors,such as Busicom 
(1971, whose contract with Intel led to the 4004), Kilby's 1967 "Cal Tech" 
at TI, etc.)
I'm not sure, but the HP35 might even have preceded the Sinclair 
calculator.
As with all "FIRST"s, an entry can be saved by redefining the field. 
Sinclair's was probably the first one costing 5 pounds or less.


On Sat, 18 Sep 2021, Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote:

Pockets in the US were bigger than in the UK ;-)


Yes,  and possibly also deeper.  It was not considered a MAJOR 
expense/struggle to buy a personal computer.  Some of which may have been 
that despite the exchange rate of 1.50 USD - 2.50 USD per GBP (British 
pound), a product costing 1500 USD would be sold for 1500 GBP.


At one point, there was an enormous battle for what would be the "shirt 
pocket disk".  The battle was between 3", 3.25", and 3.5".
Dysan bet the company on 3.25", because they would need the least 
retooling.  They reasoned that it would settle on whichever one had the 
software.  They launched an enormous software distribution venture.  For a 
little while, you could buy most of the biggest products (Lotus, 
Wordstar, dBase, etc.) on 3.25"!
Amusingly, the Seequa Chameleon 325 was the only machine that made it to 
market using 3.25".

When HP, Apple, and IBM chose the Sony 3.5", the battle was over.
During the heat of the battle, George Morrow suggested that we merely cut 
a deal with the clothing industry to make pockets 5.25".



I do remember the Sinclair products using hearing aid batteries and so being 
very slimline and compact in comparison to other hand-helds of the era, but I 
don't know about any claim to "first".


Both BBC and the Grauniad (Guardian) flatly stated it in announcing his 
death!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58587521
"Inventor Sir Clive Sinclair, who popularised the home computer and 
invented the pocket calculator, has died at his London home aged 
81."

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/sep/17/sir-clive-sinclair

As usual, all claims of "FIRST" can be argued through the definitions.
"That one doesn't count, because it was over $200; that one doesn't count, 
because we only consider SHIRT pockets; that one doesn't count because it 
couldn't run off of its batteries for more than a few minutes, . . . "


In 1972, my boss, who was French, had a French coat pocket sized 
calculator.  Because it was stored in my desk drawer, I was listed as 
"Head Of Computing Services" when my company bid on guvmint contracts.
While in the field on the EPA contract to study water pollution control 
efforts in the Great Lakes, I first saw an HP35.  On that project, I set 
up a microfilming rig with one of my ancient Leicas, and our report had an 
8,000 page documentary appendix.  (but NO computing)
On our CEQ project, we did some trivial FORTRAN programs, and were the 
FIRST to ever correlate water quality with flow rates, and demonstrated 
that the phosphates were due to agricultural runoff, NOT laundry.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com


Re: More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
Where is this?

> On Sep 18, 2021, at 13:01, Chris Zach via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with me. 
> This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck it would 
> be nice to have someone there to call 911. Anyway we cleared out a lot of the 
> stuff in the tunnel to the Perqs including:
> 
> A Franklin computer, in box.
> A TRS80 Model 3
> An Apollo 3500 or so server box (heavy)
> A Sun2 something
> A sun 3/60 (I remember these!)
> A Sparcserver 10,000 (heavy beyond belief)
> Some sort of an IBM AS400 thing (also heavy)
> An Apple II/e.
> Few more hard drives
> Weird scope like things
> 
> The good news is the way to the MicroVax and the Perqs are clear. The bad 
> news is these are Perq2's which are bulky and there is still a pedestal 
> mounted Sun 3/110 in the way.
> 
> Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far more 
> able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today.
> 
> We may need more people. 2 hours of working that pile left us both trashed. 
> Ian, want to come over sometime?
> 
> C
> 


More cleaning out the Bob basement

2021-09-18 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Went over to chip away at the Bob basement, and this time Alex came with 
me. This is not a bad idea as if one of the piles shift and I get stuck 
it would be nice to have someone there to call 911. Anyway we cleared 
out a lot of the stuff in the tunnel to the Perqs including:


A Franklin computer, in box.
A TRS80 Model 3
An Apollo 3500 or so server box (heavy)
A Sun2 something
A sun 3/60 (I remember these!)
A Sparcserver 10,000 (heavy beyond belief)
Some sort of an IBM AS400 thing (also heavy)
An Apple II/e.
Few more hard drives
Weird scope like things

The good news is the way to the MicroVax and the Perqs are clear. The 
bad news is these are Perq2's which are bulky and there is still a 
pedestal mounted Sun 3/110 in the way.


Moral: Do not die with a lot of this stuff in your basement. We were far 
more able to move this stuff 30 years ago when we were young than today.


We may need more people. 2 hours of working that pile left us both 
trashed. Ian, want to come over sometime?


C



Re: Classic sale/give-away Jefferson, WI USA

2021-09-18 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE REPLY TO JOHN AND NOT THE LIST!

On 9/18/21 12:04 PM, mike via cctalk wrote:
> John, I'd be interested the 8" drives. What kind are they?
>



Re: Classic sale/give-away Jefferson, WI USA

2021-09-18 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 01:25 PM 9/18/2021, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
>Nearby, in Madison but, unfortunately, essentially out of room.  8(

Darn, I was hoping you'd want some... 

>I suggest listing the S100 stuff on the S100Computers Google Group. Would be 
>happy to assist, given a list of stuff, in getting it posted there.

It was a box of misc cards I picked up in a rescue a decade or so ago.
Nothing too special as far as I remember...

>I'd also be interested in Q-Bus or UNIBUS SCSI, and Q-Bus RX01/RX02, RK05 (if 
>such existed) and RL01/02 controllers.
>If nobody else wanted the MicroPDP-11, I *might* take that as a spare unit to 
>mine.

That's the spirit.  :-)

- John



RE: Classic sale/give-away Jefferson, WI USA

2021-09-18 Thread mike via cctalk
John, I'd be interested the 8" drives. What kind are they?

Mike Zahorik
(414) 254-6768
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Foust
via cctalk
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 12:25 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Classic sale/give-away Jefferson, WI USA


Given the hot real estate market, I've received an unsolicited 
offer to purchase my office building and I'd like to accept it.

This means disposing of a great deal of classic computer stuff in
the next 30 days.  I need to let go of what isn't sparking joy,
as they say these days.  At least I saved the pieces.  What will
best let me part with it is knowing that it went to someone who
also appreciates it.

I'm located in Jefferson, WI, halfway between Madison and Milwaukee.
I'd prefer in-person pickup over shipping, as I have a shortage of
time and adequate shipping boxes for heavy stuff.  

Sure, I'll take cash but I also realize I may need to be giving 
it away.  I'm debating how to do it.  Facebook Marketplace?
eBay pick-up only?  Just here on CCC?  A web site?  I'll work on 
a more detailed list and pics of what has to go and I'll figure out 
the best way to post.  Yes, it's unfortunate that I didn't take 
a van-load to VCF Midwest a few days ago.

Off the top of my head, a Microvax, a MicroPDP-11, an 11-23, 
a Vaxstation, a Kaypro, two CBM PETs, a Tandy M-100 or two, a 
Zilog development system, two PDQ-1, a Sage, some S-100 cards, 
piles of other cards for various systems, probably a pile of Amiga 
stuff (A500, A1000, A2000, A3000, Toasters, early developer docs), 
some C-64 or C-128 and software, some Apple II and clone stuff, 
Macs from classic on up, a great deal of 3D related software and 
manuals from 80s/90s for Amiga/PC/Mac/SGI, several SGIs, a Play Trinity 
video system, Palm handhelds and developer stuff, Compaq and HP 
handhelds, a Pertec 9-track, an ASR-33, bare 8-inch drives
and cabling, a number of tube monitors of sizes from large and 
SGI and Trinitron down to smaller terminals.  A serial terminal 
or two.  A few dot-matrix printers and lasers and ink-jets.  
A stack of Pentium Pro 200 chips, bags of other CPUs and older 
memory chips.

I have either the world's largest or second-largest collection of 
Terak computers, on the order of a dozen, and nine or ten need to go.

Plus other interconnecting stuff, BNC cable, serial and parallel, etc. 
 
Docs like a decade of SIGGRAPH proceedings, Inside Mac, years of 
MSDN CD sets (Intel/MIPS/AXP era), sets of late-80s early-90s 
computer magazines (inc. early BYTE and Kilobaud and Dr. Dobbs,
Amiga mags, video industry mags).  

A pile of early WISP outdoor WiFi era antennas (dishes, panels, 
directionals of various dB, N connector) and associated heavy coax. 

Plus a fair pile of more "contemporary" PC stuff from the last 20 years.
Misc cards, VLB, EISA, etc.  A bunch of PCs, plus IDE and SATA drives.
Many misc. consumer firewalls.

Some odd laser and optical stuff.  A number of older lab-quality 
microscopes like a projector scope, several desk microscopes, 
a black Leitz Ortholux, an articulated standing Zeiss surgical scope.  
A Leitz Focomat II photo enlarger and all the extras.
An AMRAY electron microscope.

And just to put fear in your heart, what doesn't go will go to you
will go to the electronics scrapper and the dumpster.

Send me an email...

- John



Re: Classic sale/give-away Jefferson, WI USA

2021-09-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk



> On Sep 18, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Tough spot.  Even thinking about liquidating my stuff over the next 10 
> *years* is daunting.

And I have a fraction of either of you, I've been trying to downsize for 21 
years now.

> Nearby, in Madison but, unfortunately, essentially out of room.  8(

Aren’t we all out of room?  It’s the nature of the hobby.

Zane





John Foust via cctalk

2021-09-18 Thread Jonathan Stone via cctalk
Hello,


You mentioned a VAXstation and a Microvax.  What encosures are they in?  (That 
will affect shipping costs).
Is the micro-pdp/11 in a BA23 with complete skins?


thanks
-Jonathan Stone


Re: Classic sale/give-away Jefferson, WI USA

2021-09-18 Thread Jay Jaeger via cctalk

On 9/18/2021 12:25 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote:


Given the hot real estate market, I've received an unsolicited
offer to purchase my office building and I'd like to accept it.



Real life.


This means disposing of a great deal of classic computer stuff in
the next 30 days.  I need to let go of what isn't sparking joy,
as they say these days.  At least I saved the pieces.  What will
best let me part with it is knowing that it went to someone who
also appreciates it.



Tough spot.  Even thinking about liquidating my stuff over the next 10 
*years* is daunting.



I'm located in Jefferson, WI, halfway between Madison and Milwaukee.
I'd prefer in-person pickup over shipping, as I have a shortage of
time and adequate shipping boxes for heavy stuff.



Nearby, in Madison but, unfortunately, essentially out of room.  8(


Sure, I'll take cash but I also realize I may need to be giving
it away.  I'm debating how to do it.  Facebook Marketplace?
eBay pick-up only?  Just here on CCC?  A web site?  I'll work on
a more detailed list and pics of what has to go and I'll figure out
the best way to post.  Yes, it's unfortunate that I didn't take
a van-load to VCF Midwest a few days ago.

Off the top of my head, a Microvax, a MicroPDP-11, an 11-23,
a Vaxstation, a Kaypro, two CBM PETs, a Tandy M-100 or two, a
Zilog development system, two PDQ-1, a Sage, some S-100 cards,
piles of other cards for various systems, probably a pile of Amiga
stuff (A500, A1000, A2000, A3000, Toasters, early developer docs),
some C-64 or C-128 and software, some Apple II and clone stuff,
Macs from classic on up, a great deal of 3D related software and
manuals from 80s/90s for Amiga/PC/Mac/SGI, several SGIs, a Play Trinity
video system, Palm handhelds and developer stuff, Compaq and HP
handhelds, a Pertec 9-track, an ASR-33, bare 8-inch drives
and cabling, a number of tube monitors of sizes from large and
SGI and Trinitron down to smaller terminals.  A serial terminal
or two.  A few dot-matrix printers and lasers and ink-jets.
A stack of Pentium Pro 200 chips, bags of other CPUs and older
memory chips.


I suggest listing the S100 stuff on the S100Computers Google Group. 
Would be happy to assist, given a list of stuff, in getting it posted there.


If you have any PDP-8 Omnibus cards, I'd be interested in learning what 
you have.


I'd also be interested in Q-Bus or UNIBUS SCSI, and Q-Bus RX01/RX02, 
RK05 (if such existed) and RL01/02 controllers.


If nobody else wanted the MicroPDP-11, I *might* take that as a spare 
unit to mine.




I have either the world's largest or second-largest collection of
Terak computers, on the order of a dozen, and nine or ten need to go.



Seriously tempting, but I'll have to stay away from the Teraks.  8(


Plus other interconnecting stuff, BNC cable, serial and parallel, etc.
  
Docs like a decade of SIGGRAPH proceedings, Inside Mac, years of

MSDN CD sets (Intel/MIPS/AXP era), sets of late-80s early-90s
computer magazines (inc. early BYTE and Kilobaud and Dr. Dobbs,
Amiga mags, video industry mags).

A pile of early WISP outdoor WiFi era antennas (dishes, panels,
directionals of various dB, N connector) and associated heavy coax.

Plus a fair pile of more "contemporary" PC stuff from the last 20 years.
Misc cards, VLB, EISA, etc.  A bunch of PCs, plus IDE and SATA drives.
Many misc. consumer firewalls.

Some odd laser and optical stuff.  A number of older lab-quality
microscopes like a projector scope, several desk microscopes,
a black Leitz Ortholux, an articulated standing Zeiss surgical scope.
A Leitz Focomat II photo enlarger and all the extras.
An AMRAY electron microscope.

And just to put fear in your heart, what doesn't go will go to you
will go to the electronics scrapper and the dumpster.

Send me an email...

- John



JRJ


Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread dwight via cctalk
Of course, Busicom was the first programed microprocessor driven calculator, it 
wasn't the first calculator using calculator ICs. That is what Busicom was 
trying to compete with, when going to Intel in the first place.
Dwight



From: cctalk  on behalf of Fred Cisin via cctalk 

Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 9:15 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
Subject: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

Clive Sinclair died at 81 after a long illness (probably not Covid)


'course now he is touted as being "the inventor of the pocket calculator"
(as with all "FIRST"s, it leaves out a few predecessors,such as Busicom
(1971, whose contract with Intel led to the 4004), Kilby's 1967 "Cal Tech"
at TI, etc.)
I'm not sure, but the HP35 might even have preceded the Sinclair
calculator.
As with all "FIRST"s, an entry can be saved by redefining the field.
Sinclair's was probably the first one costing 5 pounds or less.



Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk

On 9/18/21 11:15 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

Clive Sinclair died at 81 after a long illness (probably not Covid)


'course now he is touted as being "the inventor of the pocket calculator"
(as with all "FIRST"s, it leaves out a few predecessors,such as Busicom 
(1971, whose contract with Intel led to the 4004), Kilby's 1967 "Cal Tech" 
at TI, etc.)

I'm not sure, but the HP35 might even have preceded the Sinclair calculator.
As with all "FIRST"s, an entry can be saved by redefining the field. 
Sinclair's was probably the first one costing 5 pounds or less.


Pockets in the US were bigger than in the UK ;-)

I do remember the Sinclair products using hearing aid batteries and so 
being very slimline and compact in comparison to other hand-helds of the 
era, but I don't know about any claim to "first".


Jules


Classic sale/give-away Jefferson, WI USA

2021-09-18 Thread John Foust via cctalk


Given the hot real estate market, I've received an unsolicited 
offer to purchase my office building and I'd like to accept it.

This means disposing of a great deal of classic computer stuff in
the next 30 days.  I need to let go of what isn't sparking joy,
as they say these days.  At least I saved the pieces.  What will
best let me part with it is knowing that it went to someone who
also appreciates it.

I'm located in Jefferson, WI, halfway between Madison and Milwaukee.
I'd prefer in-person pickup over shipping, as I have a shortage of
time and adequate shipping boxes for heavy stuff.  

Sure, I'll take cash but I also realize I may need to be giving 
it away.  I'm debating how to do it.  Facebook Marketplace?
eBay pick-up only?  Just here on CCC?  A web site?  I'll work on 
a more detailed list and pics of what has to go and I'll figure out 
the best way to post.  Yes, it's unfortunate that I didn't take 
a van-load to VCF Midwest a few days ago.

Off the top of my head, a Microvax, a MicroPDP-11, an 11-23, 
a Vaxstation, a Kaypro, two CBM PETs, a Tandy M-100 or two, a 
Zilog development system, two PDQ-1, a Sage, some S-100 cards, 
piles of other cards for various systems, probably a pile of Amiga 
stuff (A500, A1000, A2000, A3000, Toasters, early developer docs), 
some C-64 or C-128 and software, some Apple II and clone stuff, 
Macs from classic on up, a great deal of 3D related software and 
manuals from 80s/90s for Amiga/PC/Mac/SGI, several SGIs, a Play Trinity 
video system, Palm handhelds and developer stuff, Compaq and HP 
handhelds, a Pertec 9-track, an ASR-33, bare 8-inch drives
and cabling, a number of tube monitors of sizes from large and 
SGI and Trinitron down to smaller terminals.  A serial terminal 
or two.  A few dot-matrix printers and lasers and ink-jets.  
A stack of Pentium Pro 200 chips, bags of other CPUs and older 
memory chips.

I have either the world's largest or second-largest collection of 
Terak computers, on the order of a dozen, and nine or ten need to go.

Plus other interconnecting stuff, BNC cable, serial and parallel, etc. 
 
Docs like a decade of SIGGRAPH proceedings, Inside Mac, years of 
MSDN CD sets (Intel/MIPS/AXP era), sets of late-80s early-90s 
computer magazines (inc. early BYTE and Kilobaud and Dr. Dobbs,
Amiga mags, video industry mags).  

A pile of early WISP outdoor WiFi era antennas (dishes, panels, 
directionals of various dB, N connector) and associated heavy coax. 

Plus a fair pile of more "contemporary" PC stuff from the last 20 years.
Misc cards, VLB, EISA, etc.  A bunch of PCs, plus IDE and SATA drives.
Many misc. consumer firewalls.

Some odd laser and optical stuff.  A number of older lab-quality 
microscopes like a projector scope, several desk microscopes, 
a black Leitz Ortholux, an articulated standing Zeiss surgical scope.  
A Leitz Focomat II photo enlarger and all the extras.
An AMRAY electron microscope.

And just to put fear in your heart, what doesn't go will go to you
will go to the electronics scrapper and the dumpster.

Send me an email...

- John



Re: R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 9/18/21 9:15 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> Clive Sinclair died at 81 after a long illness (probably not Covid)
> 
> 
> 'course now he is touted as being "the inventor of the pocket calculator"
> (as with all "FIRST"s, it leaves out a few predecessors,such as Busicom
> (1971, whose contract with Intel led to the 4004), Kilby's 1967 "Cal
> Tech" at TI, etc.)
> I'm not sure, but the HP35 might even have preceded the Sinclair
> calculator.
> As with all "FIRST"s, an entry can be saved by redefining the field.
> Sinclair's was probably the first one costing 5 pounds or less.


He still owes me the circuit board for his Black Watch.  He shipped the
things without the PCB, just an empty case and battery holder.
Apparently, this was done for a number of people.

Anyone have a completed, working Black Watch?  Or was this a case of
Clive blowing smoke?

--Chuck


R.I.P. Clive Sinclair

2021-09-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk

Clive Sinclair died at 81 after a long illness (probably not Covid)


'course now he is touted as being "the inventor of the pocket calculator"
(as with all "FIRST"s, it leaves out a few predecessors,such as Busicom 
(1971, whose contract with Intel led to the 4004), Kilby's 1967 "Cal Tech" 
at TI, etc.)
I'm not sure, but the HP35 might even have preceded the Sinclair 
calculator.
As with all "FIRST"s, an entry can be saved by redefining the field. 
Sinclair's was probably the first one costing 5 pounds or less.