Re: List migration
20 years... congrats Jay! Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 6:55 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. > > Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! Thanks, Jay, CCC and Dennis! -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. -- Albert Camus --
Re: List migration
On 7/11/22 16:25, David Griffith via cctalk wrote: > > My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. > On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: >> Friends, >> >> The process of migrating the cctalk and cctech mailing lists to a new >> host in Chicago is underway. This evening, I've moved the list mail >> handling to the new server, and this message will be the first live >> test. Assuming this works, you shouldn't have to change anything to >> post to the list. >> >> The green web pages, the old "pipermail" list archives, and web access >> to archives of new postings from this point still require a little work, >> which I hope to complete in the next day or two. I will eventually >> import the old pipermail archives into the new posting archive, but that >> may take a little longer. >> >> The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. >> >> Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! > > Looks good except for missing an X-BeenThere: header. > Looks good from here! Thanks much!
Re: List migration
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 01:38:36 -0400 Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > Friends, > > The process of migrating the cctalk and cctech mailing lists to a new > host in Chicago is underway. This evening, I've moved the list mail > handling to the new server, and this message will be the first live > test. Assuming this works, you shouldn't have to change anything to > post to the list. > > The green web pages, the old "pipermail" list archives, and web access > to archives of new postings from this point still require a little work, > which I hope to complete in the next day or two. I will eventually > import the old pipermail archives into the new posting archive, but that > may take a little longer. > > The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. > > Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! > > /Dennis Boone Indeed many thanks to Jay!!! Thanks to Dennis, too, for migrating cctalk and cctech to a new host :) Cheers, Lyle -- 73 NM6Y Bickley Consulting West https://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
Re: List migration
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: Friends, The process of migrating the cctalk and cctech mailing lists to a new host in Chicago is underway. This evening, I've moved the list mail handling to the new server, and this message will be the first live test. Assuming this works, you shouldn't have to change anything to post to the list. The green web pages, the old "pipermail" list archives, and web access to archives of new postings from this point still require a little work, which I hope to complete in the next day or two. I will eventually import the old pipermail archives into the new posting archive, but that may take a little longer. The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! Looks good except for missing an X-BeenThere: header. -- David Griffith d...@661.org
Re: List migration
> The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. > > Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! Thanks, Jay, CCC and Dennis! -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. -- Albert Camus --
RE: List migration
Many thanks, Jay! -W Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 01:38:36 -0400 From: Dennis Boone Subject: List migration To: cctalk@classiccmp.org, cct...@classiccmp.org Message-ID: <20220711053836.b91b93fb...@yagi.h-net.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Friends, The process of migrating the cctalk and cctech mailing lists to a new host in Chicago is underway. This evening, I've moved the list mail handling to the new server, and this message will be the first live test. Assuming this works, you shouldn't have to change anything to post to the list. The green web pages, the old "pipermail" list archives, and web access to archives of new postings from this point still require a little work, which I hope to complete in the next day or two. I will eventually import the old pipermail archives into the new posting archive, but that may take a little longer. The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! /Dennis Boone --
LaserMaster LX-6 Controller
Long shot but I have in my possession a LaserMaster LX-6 controller. The controller allows achieving much higher res from a HP LJII then one would normally be able to (600x300 DPI vs. the standard 300x300 DPI). If you are really interested can read more about it here: https://books.google.com/books?id=2jkWJsu_9CoC=RA1-PA46=HrKHEtLGTu=%22lasermaster%22%20driver=RA1-PA46#v=onepage=true I have all the requisite HW but I am lacking the manual and more importantly the driver SW. I was able to locate multiple copies of the LM website on The Wayback Machine. Unfortunately, while some of the smaller files have been archived all the main EXE and ZIP files are missing. For example see: http://web.archive.org/web/2301145615/http://www.colorspan.com/support/software/software.htm I am wondering if anyone has any drivers for this card. A manual would be most excellent as well but drivers are more necessary. Thanks. -Ali
RE: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
The Facit 4060 appears to be from the 1968 - 1969 period The Trend UTR 700 from ~1980, based on IC date codes Martin -Original Message- From: ED SHARPE via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: 11 July 2022 08:02 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: ED SHARPE Subject: Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch SOMEWHERE I HAVE THIS AMAZING FACIT PUNCH AN READER CATALOG BOOK THING,,, TONS OF UNITS BEAUTY PHOTOS WHAT IS THE DATE ON THE UNITS YOU SEEK INFO ON?? THANKS ED# In a message dated 7/10/2022 11:32:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Google turns up very little specific information on either of these devices, e.g. nil return from bit savers. The best leads I have are:- The UTR 700 was badge engineered by Ferranti into FM1600B systems, one of which fetched up at the Centre for Computer History, Cambridge, England; perhaps with documentation. Also, as it was used in government systems some maintenance documentation may have fetched up in the PRO, at Kew.- Some Facit 4060 documentation, for the 4060, its 4061 & 4063 chums and the 5106 interface, look to be lodged in Box 52 of the ICL Collection at the Science Museum Library. The UTR 700 reader looks to be parallel interfaced, 10 single ended outputs from an interface card. The jokes start with manufacturer codes, rather than OEM part numbers on the 14 pin DIL ICs. However, a little scope work should identify tape out, data 0..7 and strobe lines. More interesting questions are lubrication and capacitor replacement - where a schematic would be a great assistance in deciding how to proceed. etc etc The Facit 4060 punch contains no more than the electro-mechanical mechanism : AC drive motor, solenoids and rotary position sensors. The 4070 documentation (on BitSavers) may read across, in terms of sensor characteristics, solenoid operating voltages and snubbing needs, or it may not. That reconstructing the schematic would be straightforward simply identifies how much is missing, and the difficulty of specifying it in the abscence of documentation. A classic tape punch interface from data latch and ready, through position sensing, solenoid drivers and done logic is required, together with auxiliary indications, e.g. tape out. etc etc Any information, wisdom, documentation or pointers to sources would be very much appreciated. To state the obvious, I was passed these devices by Philip Belben Martin
RE: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
Errata : Trend UDR 700, not UTR -Original Message- From: Martin Bishop via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: 11 July 2022 00:25 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts (cctalk@classiccmp.org) Cc: Martin Bishop Subject: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch Google turns up very little specific information on either of these devices, e.g. nil return from bit savers. The best leads I have are: - The UTR 700 was badge engineered by Ferranti into FM1600B systems, one of which fetched up at the Centre for Computer History, Cambridge, England; perhaps with documentation. Also, as it was used in government systems some maintenance documentation may have fetched up in the PRO, at Kew. - Some Facit 4060 documentation, for the 4060, its 4061 & 4063 chums and the 5106 interface, look to be lodged in Box 52 of the ICL Collection at the Science Museum Library. The UTR 700 reader looks to be parallel interfaced, 10 single ended outputs from an interface card. The jokes start with manufacturer codes, rather than OEM part numbers on the 14 pin DIL ICs. However, a little scope work should identify tape out, data 0..7 and strobe lines. More interesting questions are lubrication and capacitor replacement - where a schematic would be a great assistance in deciding how to proceed. etc etc The Facit 4060 punch contains no more than the electro-mechanical mechanism : AC drive motor, solenoids and rotary position sensors. The 4070 documentation (on BitSavers) may read across, in terms of sensor characteristics, solenoid operating voltages and snubbing needs, or it may not. That reconstructing the schematic would be straightforward simply identifies how much is missing, and the difficulty of specifying it in the abscence of documentation. A classic tape punch interface from data latch and ready, through position sensing, solenoid drivers and done logic is required, together with auxiliary indications, e.g. tape out. etc etc Any information, wisdom, documentation or pointers to sources would be very much appreciated. To state the obvious, I was passed these devices by Philip Belben Martin
Re: Vintage Computing Hosting [Was: List migration]
Who else provides free vintage computer-themed web site hosting as a group service? I know neurotica.com (LSSM) does too, and I realize a lot of people have home servers that host their web sites on the subject, still, right? My shell host of friends is at a tier 1 colocation facility. 1.5ms to google, half a ms to aws and azure. Just spun up VMs for running a BBS for MAGFest and trying to figure out analog modem inbound for it. If someone needed to host a project for the community I could help, same goes with mirrors. My costs are fixed and the box is prety beefy (thanks to friends.) Shell host is probably 30 years at this point. -- : Ethan O'Toole
Re: Vintage Computing Hosting [Was: List migration]
We do hosting for a few other hobbyists, and Andy Meyer has his Sony SMC-70 pages on users.glitchwrks.com subdomain: http://users.glitchwrks.com/~ahm/smc70/ Not really advertised as a service, just one of those things where a few friends have needed a place to host a few things! Thanks, Jonathan --- Original Message --- On Monday, July 11th, 2022 at 09:50, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > > > The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. > > > > > > Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! > > Who else provides free vintage computer-themed web site hosting as a group > service? I know neurotica.com (LSSM) does too, and I realize a lot of > people have home servers that host their web sites on the subject, still, > right? > > All of my servers are on AWS at this point, although I still have a large > rack at home with dormant / test servers with aging OS's. Red Hat 6 > anyone?... > > I have the space to host a mirror or two, should there be a need. My > company hosts a mirror for > https://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/comp/ > on > https://www.vintagecomputer.net/fjkraan/ > > Bill
Re: Xerox 800 Word Processor 1974 promo film
On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 at 10:10, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: > Actually I knew them only as Rank Xerox many years ago, when they were > commonly known as office suppliers, e.g. photo copiers and printers. Ditto. I think this may be another of those US/rest-of-world things. To this Brit, the only company I knew of with this name was "Rank Xerox" and I had never heard of "Xerox" as a company (nor as a verb) until I was an adult working in the tech industry and learned of Xerox PARC and its role in the development of Smalltalk, OOPS, the GUI etc. So probably roughly in my late 20s or early 30s. "To xerox" meaning "to make a photocopy" was something I learned around the same time. This is not a verb in British English, nor I think in any non-North-American dialects of English. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
Vintage Computing Hosting [Was: List migration]
> > > > > The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. > > > > Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! > > > > Who else provides free vintage computer-themed web site hosting as a group service? I know neurotica.com (LSSM) does too, and I realize a lot of people have home servers that host their web sites on the subject, still, right? All of my servers are on AWS at this point, although I still have a large rack at home with dormant / test servers with aging OS's. Red Hat 6 anyone?... I have the space to host a mirror or two, should there be a need. My company hosts a mirror for https://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/comp/ on https://www.vintagecomputer.net/fjkraan/ Bill
Re: Xerox 800 Word Processor 1974 promo film
> On Jul 10, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 7/10/22 13:41, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> >> >>> On Jul 10, 2022, at 4:10 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022, Grant Taylor wrote: I don't know that I've ever heard / seen the name "Rank" prefixing "Xerox" before. >>> >>> Actually I knew them only as Rank Xerox many years ago, when they were >>> commonly known as office suppliers, e.g. photo copiers and printers. >> >> Is the "Rank" prefix part of the company name in Europe? > > For a time, it was even present in Japan. > > The Rank Organisation. Surely you've seen some old British Pinewood > Studios films with J. Arthur Rank's big gong as an intro? It's vaguely familiar. Another part of the Rank organization, at one time, was precision measurement company Taylor-Hobson. I remember several of their their instruments in the metrology lab at U. Eindhoven. paul
Re: List migration
Looks good! And many thanks to Jay West and to the CCCG. paul > On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:38 AM, Dennis Boone via cctalk > wrote: > > Friends, > > The process of migrating the cctalk and cctech mailing lists to a new > host in Chicago is underway. This evening, I've moved the list mail > handling to the new server, and this message will be the first live > test. Assuming this works, you shouldn't have to change anything to > post to the list. > > The green web pages, the old "pipermail" list archives, and web access > to archives of new postings from this point still require a little work, > which I hope to complete in the next day or two. I will eventually > import the old pipermail archives into the new posting archive, but that > may take a little longer. > > The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. > > Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! > > /Dennis Boone
Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
THAT IS NEAR RAGE OF DATES I THINK OF NOOK NO PROMISES BUT WILL SEE IF I CAN FOND WHERE I STASHED THE BOOK! ED# In a message dated 7/11/2022 12:42:03 AM US Mountain Standard Time, mjd.bis...@emeritus-solutions.com writes: The Facit 4060 appears to be from the 1968 - 1969 period The Trend UTR 700 from ~1980, based on IC date codes Martin -Original Message- From: ED SHARPE via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: 11 July 2022 08:02 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: ED SHARPE Subject: Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch SOMEWHERE I HAVE THIS AMAZING FACIT PUNCH AN READER CATALOG BOOK THING,,, TONS OF UNITS BEAUTY PHOTOS WHAT IS THE DATE ON THE UNITS YOU SEEK INFO ON?? THANKS ED# In a message dated 7/10/2022 11:32:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Google turns up very little specific information on either of these devices, e.g. nil return from bit savers. The best leads I have are:- The UTR 700 was badge engineered by Ferranti into FM1600B systems, one of which fetched up at the Centre for Computer History, Cambridge, England; perhaps with documentation. Also, as it was used in government systems some maintenance documentation may have fetched up in the PRO, at Kew.- Some Facit 4060 documentation, for the 4060, its 4061 & 4063 chums and the 5106 interface, look to be lodged in Box 52 of the ICL Collection at the Science Museum Library. The UTR 700 reader looks to be parallel interfaced, 10 single ended outputs from an interface card. The jokes start with manufacturer codes, rather than OEM part numbers on the 14 pin DIL ICs. However, a little scope work should identify tape out, data 0..7 and strobe lines. More interesting questions are lubrication and capacitor replacement - where a schematic would be a great assistance in deciding how to proceed. etc etc The Facit 4060 punch contains no more than the electro-mechanical mechanism : AC drive motor, solenoids and rotary position sensors. The 4070 documentation (on BitSavers) may read across, in terms of sensor characteristics, solenoid operating voltages and snubbing needs, or it may not. That reconstructing the schematic would be straightforward simply identifies how much is missing, and the difficulty of specifying it in the abscence of documentation. A classic tape punch interface from data latch and ready, through position sensing, solenoid drivers and done logic is required, together with auxiliary indications, e.g. tape out. etc etc Any information, wisdom, documentation or pointers to sources would be very much appreciated. To state the obvious, I was passed these devices by Philip Belben Martin
Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
https://gesrepair.com/products/4070-facit-tape-punch/ YIKES EXPENSIVE TO FIX In a message dated 7/10/2022 11:32:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: UTR 700
Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
SOMEWHERE I HAVE THIS AMAZING FACIT PUNCH AN READER CATALOG BOOK THING,,, TONS OF UNITS BEAUTY PHOTOS WHAT IS THE DATE ON THE UNITS YOU SEEK INFO ON?? THANKS ED# In a message dated 7/10/2022 11:32:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Google turns up very little specific information on either of these devices, e.g. nil return from bit savers. The best leads I have are:- The UTR 700 was badge engineered by Ferranti into FM1600B systems, one of which fetched up at the Centre for Computer History, Cambridge, England; perhaps with documentation. Also, as it was used in government systems some maintenance documentation may have fetched up in the PRO, at Kew.- Some Facit 4060 documentation, for the 4060, its 4061 & 4063 chums and the 5106 interface, look to be lodged in Box 52 of the ICL Collection at the Science Museum Library. The UTR 700 reader looks to be parallel interfaced, 10 single ended outputs from an interface card. The jokes start with manufacturer codes, rather than OEM part numbers on the 14 pin DIL ICs. However, a little scope work should identify tape out, data 0..7 and strobe lines. More interesting questions are lubrication and capacitor replacement - where a schematic would be a great assistance in deciding how to proceed. etc etc The Facit 4060 punch contains no more than the electro-mechanical mechanism : AC drive motor, solenoids and rotary position sensors. The 4070 documentation (on BitSavers) may read across, in terms of sensor characteristics, solenoid operating voltages and snubbing needs, or it may not. That reconstructing the schematic would be straightforward simply identifies how much is missing, and the difficulty of specifying it in the abscence of documentation. A classic tape punch interface from data latch and ready, through position sensing, solenoid drivers and done logic is required, together with auxiliary indications, e.g. tape out. etc etc Any information, wisdom, documentation or pointers to sources would be very much appreciated. To state the obvious, I was passed these devices by Philip Belben Martin
Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
Google turns up very little specific information on either of these devices, e.g. nil return from bit savers. The best leads I have are: - The UTR 700 was badge engineered by Ferranti into FM1600B systems, one of which fetched up at the Centre for Computer History, Cambridge, England; perhaps with documentation. Also, as it was used in government systems some maintenance documentation may have fetched up in the PRO, at Kew. - Some Facit 4060 documentation, for the 4060, its 4061 & 4063 chums and the 5106 interface, look to be lodged in Box 52 of the ICL Collection at the Science Museum Library. The UTR 700 reader looks to be parallel interfaced, 10 single ended outputs from an interface card. The jokes start with manufacturer codes, rather than OEM part numbers on the 14 pin DIL ICs. However, a little scope work should identify tape out, data 0..7 and strobe lines. More interesting questions are lubrication and capacitor replacement - where a schematic would be a great assistance in deciding how to proceed. etc etc The Facit 4060 punch contains no more than the electro-mechanical mechanism : AC drive motor, solenoids and rotary position sensors. The 4070 documentation (on BitSavers) may read across, in terms of sensor characteristics, solenoid operating voltages and snubbing needs, or it may not. That reconstructing the schematic would be straightforward simply identifies how much is missing, and the difficulty of specifying it in the abscence of documentation. A classic tape punch interface from data latch and ready, through position sensing, solenoid drivers and done logic is required, together with auxiliary indications, e.g. tape out. etc etc Any information, wisdom, documentation or pointers to sources would be very much appreciated. To state the obvious, I was passed these devices by Philip Belben Martin
List migration
Friends, The process of migrating the cctalk and cctech mailing lists to a new host in Chicago is underway. This evening, I've moved the list mail handling to the new server, and this message will be the first live test. Assuming this works, you shouldn't have to change anything to post to the list. The green web pages, the old "pipermail" list archives, and web access to archives of new postings from this point still require a little work, which I hope to complete in the next day or two. I will eventually import the old pipermail archives into the new posting archive, but that may take a little longer. The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! /Dennis Boone
