Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 71, Issue 1
I’m interested!!! Would you be able to take them to a UPS store ( or the like ) and I’ll call them to pay for shipping. Possible?? Earl Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:00 PM, cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org wrote: > > Send cctalk mailing list submissions to >cctalk@classiccmp.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >cctalk-ow...@classiccmp.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OpenVMS Community License (Rico Pajarola) > 2. Tallgrass PC hardfile driver/utility software (r.stricklin) > 3. SUN VME - seller in Sweden. (Mattis Lind) > 4. Re: SUN VME - Have em in US (Chris Zach) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:04:29 -0700 > From: Rico Pajarola > To: Bill Gunshannon , "General >Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Community License > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 8:06 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >>>One could make a case that the >>> wording of the license is imprecise enough >> >> The wording is only imprecise to those who do not wish to follow it. >> It is, by far, the cleanest and plainest written Hobbyist License I >> have ever seen. > > IANAL, but I'm married to one... just pointing out that "clear language" > does not mean the same thing to lawyers as it does to us engineers. > "software owned by Digital Equipment Corporation" is pretty vague as far as > lawyer-speak goes. The license does not seem to specifically include or > exclude alternative scenarios. Anyone, especially a non-lawyer who was not > involved with the drafting of the license, and says "obviously that must > mean X" is just making stuff up (it doesn't matter what X is. Notice that > I'm not saying it means you can use it under this license. I don't know, > and IANAL). It's like undefined behaviour in C. You can make an educated > guess (given additional information you have, such as history, > correspondence with Mentec about the topic etc.), and you might be right, > but the only way to find out for sure is to run the compiler and look at > the disassembly, i.e. force a clarification from Mentec. > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 00:03:19 -0700 > From: "r.stricklin" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" > Subject: Tallgrass PC hardfile driver/utility software > Message-ID: <11e069c4-5a01-4e1b-875e-d36d13c5e...@typewritten.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Folks; > > I see (and am grateful for) the disk images for the Tallgrass PC > Hardfile/Tape unit (TG 3000/3100 series, such as my TG-3020) that have been > archived on minuszerodegrees.com. This represents version 4.xx of the > utilties, for use with PC-DOS 2.x. > > I was hoping to use this device on a 5150 PC with PC-DOS 1.1 and CP/M-86. > This requires an older version (3.xx) of the DOS software, and one for > CP/M-86 1.00 (also Tallgrass software version 3.xx? but a separate disk, I > should imagine). > > If anybody happens to have a copy of either of these and don't mind sharing > it, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks! > > > ok > bear. > > -- > until further notice > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 14:55:50 +0200 > From: Mattis Lind > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Subject: SUN VME - seller in Sweden. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > A company has a few VME SUN 3/xxx CPU Cards and a SMD card for sale in case > anyone is interested: > > https://ggsp.se/69-oevriga > > Approximately 100 USD each. > > They have also been listed on Swedish auction site Tradera for some time > without selling so perhaps it is possible to negotiate? > > /Mattis > > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 11:47:50 -0400 > From: Chris Zach > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: SUN VME - Have em in US > Message-ID: <3b876af1-7662-93c1-ad8e-bf8837fc6...@alembic.crystel.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I have about 15 boards that look like they came from Sun 3/xxx series > systems. Mostly SCSI controller boards things that might be clocks, and > memory boards. About 3 Sun 3/xxx CPUs as well (later ones, 68020) > > Anyone need them? Let me know, pickup from MD preferred. > > CZ > > On 8/1/2020 8:55 AM, Mattis Lind via cctalk wrote: >> A company has a few VME SUN 3/xxx CPU Cards and a SMD ca
Need a part for Sun 2/120.
I’m in the process of restoring a Sun 2/120 and realized that the unit I have doesn’t have the back plate and cables for monitor and keyboard/mouse. I have spare parts to trade for 2/120 ( including a sun 2/120 keyboard cable I found today. ) or can do $$ Earl Sent from my iPhone
Need part for Sun 2/129
I’m in the process of restoring a Sun 2/120 and realized that the unit I have doesn’t have the back plate and cables for monitor and keyboard/mouse. I have spare parts to trade for 2/120 ( including a sun 2/120 keyboard cable I found today. ) or can do $$ Earl Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone
Need some Sun VME boards... (and if someone has a power supply...)
Folks, I have been able to get the Sun 3/110 to boot using the SCSI2SD board as I had asked about earlier (if you want to see the details of what I did, I posted to the sun-rescue list...) However, I can't seem to get more that 4mb to work in the 3/110 chassis ( the 2nd chassis I have is 240v, and so far that doesn't look like it's switchable for use in 115v land...) I've tried the two 4mb boards I have ( both 501-1132 boards ) one has a gouge in the ground plane but the bulk of the ground plane is intact and one says Parity Error 3/17/16 ( not my writing, from the person I got it from ) so I'm assuming that would work but generate an error, similar to Clearpoint board I have that I can't figure out jumpers for. However I can't get the machine to even boot with the boards in. In both cases the lights on the CPU board all light up. Which indicates some form of reset. I've checked the boards dip switches. They are set according to the FEH as 3 on U3118 and 4 on U3119. Jumper J3102 is jumped as well. I've tried them with the VME Bus Px03 and Px04 both jumpered and unjumpered. Same results in all cases. I don't think it's a power issue, as the machine boots with 3 cards ( I.e. 8mb incompatible sun board or Clearpoint SNXRAM card, with SCSI card in both cases ). I've tried with and without SCSI card. All same results. S, question is, do I just have two bad 4mb cards? Am I missing some setting? I don't see anything to set on CPU board. If so anybody got memory cards they're willing to trade that would work in a 3/110? I've got an 8mb 501-1102 or a 32mb 501-1254 32 mb card to trade, memory wise. I am trying to build up 2 3/110 machines, so would like 2 4mb boards at least. I've also got a 3/110 cpu board that has a blown cap to replace but otherwise works, and a couple SMD drive controller boards. I also just realized I have a a Sun 2 VME SCSI board - ( 501-1149 * combo: 501-1045 "Sun-2" SCSI in 270-1059 6U/9U VME ) And of course if anybody has a spare 3/1xx power supply that is configured for 115v also be interested in that. ( and another SCSI card with an external connection would be useful ) Earl
Clearpoint SNXRAM/12 VME
Hey, Anybody happen to have any documentation for a Clearpoint SNXRAM card? I’ll take any version ( though I have the /12 card ). I’m trying to figure out the jumpers on this board. It generates a memory error in my Sun 3/110 but not sure if that’s because of overlapping addressing. I’ve tried searching for the doc for years ( this year I’m trying very hard to get my Sun 2/120 and Sun 3/110 running correctly. Got my Sun 1/100 and Sun 4/110 booting correctly, disk images are almost ready for them ) Earl Sent from my iPhone
Fwd: Sun 3 with SCSI2SD
Howdy, Wondering if anyone has used a SCSI2SD card with a Sun 3 class machine. I know Walter B has had success with the Sun 2( that’s next on my list after I get the Sun 3/110 working with one. ) I have some Version 5 of the card. (I also have a version 3 card that I tried long ago, with little success). The new current firmware is much more understandable in terms of setting it up. However with a known good image ( obtained from Walter B) I can’t get it to go past the message “Waiting for disk to spin up...” followed by “Please start it, if necessary , — OR — press a key to quit.” I know the card doesn’t need to spin up 🙂 so question is, what is the boot prom waiting for? I expect it’s just something off in my config but so far everything I’ve tried yields the same result. Anybody have a config.xml that works that they could share? ( and which firmware version it works with? ) Thanks Earl Sent from my iPhone
Fwd: Sun 3/XXX 240v power supply — switch to 115v — is it possible?
Howdy, I’ve recently gotten a second Sun 3/Xxx 3 slot VME chassis, however the power supply is a EU version, 240v. I know on a number of “newer” power supplies there is a switch to go from 240 to 115. I’ve taken this one apart ( at least to the point where it comes off the bottom of the VME chassis — but left the thick cables still connected. ) I haven’t found any switch or any indication that it can switch. Googling and looking at the FEH hasn’t yielded any info either. Anybody know if it’s possible to switch this type of PS? Thanks Earl Sent from my iPhone
RE: Sun 1 and Framebuffer
> > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:39 AM Liam Proven via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 12:44, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > > > I don't think anyone is questioning that it's a workstation, and that > it > > was made by Sun. > > > > > > I think the problem is over 'first' and that a Sun-2 is not going to be > > the 'first' model. > > > > Ah! Excellent point. I have to admit, I was totally unfamiliar with > > the very early Sun products. I was happy with my little ZX Spectrum > > back then, and being about 14, wasn't paying much attention to the > > world of academic Unix usage. :-) > > > > Looking up the SUN-1, I see that it lacked a graphics adapter, and was > > a text-only machine. I didn't know that. That alone means that it's > > not really what I think of when I think of a Sun workstation: no > > windowing system means that for me it's not really a workstation. > > The Sun-1 absolutely had a framebuffer and a display and was not a > text-only machine, it did 1024x800 at 1bpp, had a mouse, the whole deal. > > See the picture in this article, for example: > https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sun-Microsystems-Inc I can 100% confirm this. I have a Sun 1/100 that runs just fine...and it fires up Suntools with mouse and windows... Windowing pretty much the same as any other Sun running circa Sun OS 3.2It came standard with B/W framebuffer. I also have the color framebuffer option (not currently installed... don't have a monitor that works with that) The base system has a monitor that does what looks like the standard Sun 1152x900 resolution (I've not confirmed that but sure looks the same as my other early Suns...) Earl
Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 35, Issue 9
> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 21:02:39 -0400 > From: william degnan > Subject: Re: BETSI Expander for the Commodore PET > > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:35 PM, John Ball via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > So it seems in the early days of the PET a company by the name of > > Forethought Prouducts sold an expansion module called the BETSI which > > plugged into the expansion bus of the PET and gave you four S100 slots. > If > > you google around you can find a flyer advertising the unit and optional > > power supply and the owners manual which touches on assembly, component > > locations and the schematics. It talks about adding sound voards, > > additional > > video outputs, expanding ram and attaching directly to a larger S100 > frame. > > Beyond that I can find absolutely nothing else about it, much less a more > > recent photo of one. Has anyone here ever used one? How practical were > they > > in reality? Suppose I went and built one. Does anyone have the PCB layout > > templates so I could get a board etched or will I have to stick to the > > schematic and build one by hand? > > > > -John > > > > > At VCF SE Don French talked about the S100 expansion he created for the TRS > 80 Model 1. Guess these did not meet with much success. > BTW, I spoke with Don over dinner after the show and he told me that his son apparently archived some stuff when he moved out to NV (he had told me earlier that most of his machines got sold/trashed/lost during his divorce ). I particularly asked him to look for one of the S100 expansion boards... Will let you know if he found any... Earl
Re:VCF SE Photos
> Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 08:03:19 -0400 > Subject: VCF SE Photos > > Here are my photos from the VCF South East April 30/May 1. Roswell, GA > hosted by Mims' Computer History Museum of America > > http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=677 > > Just to clarify something here about VCF South East... the Computer Museum of America (that's the official name) provides the venue for the event, but the Atlanta Historical Computing Society (AHCS) actually recruits and covers the expense for having the speakers at the show and also recruits and organizes all the exhibits of the VCF proper (aside from the two professionally constructed and very informative exhibits that the Computer Museum provides). In the first year the Computer Museum of America did recruit the speakers, but AHCS has done it since.And the AHCS has always recruited and organized the exhibits for the VCF proper. Just want to make both of the partners in this endeavour get proper credit here. Earl
Kennedy 9000 Tape Drives, Terminals and Packs
I was helping out someone here locally to dig thru a pile of electronics that he had obtained in helping out a woman clean out her house. Her husband passed away and she wanted the space back. Apparently the husband "somehow" dealt in HW repair. A good number of the items were known broken spares, Shugart 1004 drives (about 36) and a couple tandem floppies. Those he found a new home for. There were a few items that I told him I'd help circulate info on since they are a bit more specialized (I'm just trying to help him liquidate the items, he is surprising the woman who he got it from with a cash gift when this is done) 1) 2 NOS Kennedy 9000 series tape drives. I checked, they look pristine. There was an invoice that says they're Kennedy 9000-3, 4s models. 2) 9 drive packs. marked ATHANA, which may be RK05 packs (I couldn't find any markings on them to indicate what size, etc.) 3) Lastly he has two Visual 50 terminals. This is all in the Atlanta area, so if you have any interest, let me know and I can relay information to him. Obviously the Kennedy drives would cost a bit to ship... Thanks. Earl
Re: CDC 6600 - Why so awesome?
This thread reminded me that I recently got shipped what the person told me was a CDC 6000 Central Memory core. (it matches what's on this page : http://www.museumwaalsdorp.nl/computer/en/6400hwac.html ). He told me that the console looked like this : http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/gbell/craytalk/sld031.htm I got it along with a box other parts (mostly Sun things) and a single "plane" of core memory from another module. (It connects the 6000 to the Sun 1's that I picked up in the past... some interesting history...good "over a beer" stories :-) ) I'm coming to VCF MW this year so if there is interest, I can bring it along... Earl
Re: Keyboards and the Model M (was Re: NEC ProSpeed 386)
From: Swift Griggs On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, geneb wrote: > I just wish the Unicomp keys were two-part keys like the Model M uses. I wish ALL keyboards did that... it's a superior design, IMHO. I'm puzzled, what do you mean two part? Cap and key? That's all I've gotten from Unicomp... That's how I got all of the "blank" caps from... EarltheSquirrel
Re: Model M Key Cap Replacement
> my real IBM clicky keyboard does not have usb so I tried various usb > adapters and they could be flaky,... > you would have to start computer then have to unplug and reinsert > keyboard connection etc... > > anyone have a solve for this? thanks Ed# Yes, if you look on ebay, there is at least one person who makes cables that snap into the IBM Model M plug with USB, I believe it has some sort of in-line electronics near the plug. It's worked flawlessly with the various Model M's I've used it with (and bought some more, all work great). I used it on '86, '89, '91 ones. BTW, I can confirm that Unicomp did buy the molds, etc. from IBM/Lexmark. (spoke to the owner during a call a while ago...) The "innerds" they make are form identical to ones that came from IBM. I can confirm this in that here at work I bought the "guts" and some Mac keycaps (guts with the USB cable hard-wired... that's the only difference) And found an old Model F (which was a UK version of a model M, not sure what else was difference) and the guts dropped in. I did cut off the tabs to allow for the additional keys next to the space bar. This works out because the mold had a cross-beam where the tabs connected to the bottom edge, so you can get a smooth even edge without much cutting, etc. That's the only shortcoming I've found from Unicomp, the "enclosures" are light weight, and definitely not the same plastic as IBM (in composition or weight). So a case from a donator model M fixes that problem. (usually run the case thru the dish washer before to get it squeaky clean... yes, my wife lets me do that, as long as I'm not running dishes too... she's a keeper :-) ) Earl p.s. If you do ever order the "guts" (not sure if they still do that or not, make sure you indicate what you want on the keycaps... I didn't mention and got completely BLANK keycaps... works for me since I'm a touch typist, but had me laughing and I did have plenty of spare caps, so put normal ones on and have the blanks in the parts bin)
RE: ISO: Fujitsu M228x power supply (Josh Dersch)
> > Another weekend acquisition is a Fujitsu M2284 SMD drive (14" platters > under a transparent cover, what's not to love?). It's in good shape and > was properly locked down for shipping so there's a good chance it'll > still work with some coaxing. I'm missing the power supply, however. I > believe this is the Fujitsu Denso B14L-0300-0018A. Anyone have one > going spare, in any condition? If this is the same drive as the Sun 1's, I actually have 2 spares right this min. (I am waiting to find out about someone locally who has some Fujitsu drives, which I haven't gotten model #'s from, but from description sound similar... so was keeping them for those drives... ) Mine are NOS, were spares from someone who used to do field engineering repairs on early Sun equipment. I might be persuaded to part with one, contact me off line.. Earl
VCF SE 4.0 Announcement
Many of you may have heard about this already, but to make sure everyone knows, We are proud to announce the fourth annual Vintage Computer Festival Southeast (VCFSE) in Roswell GA. The Festival, on April 2nd and 3rd, features over 35,000 square feet of exhibits, museums, presentations, and interactive entertainment. Exhibitors are available for live demonstrations and offer attendees the unique opportunity to experience a true piece of technology history. New this year, a live auction offers bidders a chance to start or expand their personal collections. (Registration is still open, visit the link at the bottom if you'd wish to exhibit -- vendors are also welcome) The Festival offers very popular hands-on electronics projects for children and adults. Gaming fans will enjoy a wide array of vintage video game consoles in a retro gaming section, where visitors can play classic games. Gamers of all ages are encouraged to test their vintage gamer skills on a huge classic video game wall. This year, the Festival celebrates the 40th anniversary of Apple computer. Attendees will experience the complete history of Apple at the Computer Museum of America’s Apple Pop-Up Museum, a large, one-of-a-kind display of extremely rare computers. The museum features a dynamic presentation of the small start-up, founded in a garage by two young friends in 1976, that became the world's leading computer company. Guest speakers include renowned industrial designers and engineers who have played integral roles in computer history. Attendees will hear a first-hand account from industrial designer Jerry Manock, who created designs for the Apple II and III in the 70s and 80s. Vintage computer enthusiasts will enjoy a presentation from acclaimed computer engineer Bil Herd, creator of several noteworthy designs, including the Commodore 128. Computer Museum of America’s companion exhibit, ”LINK: Personal Computing from Switches to Pockets,” features the links from the past to the present with displays of iconic computer brands including original computers like the IBM PC, as well as some very rare and unique machines such as the Kenbak-1. VCFSE is hosted and produced by the Atlanta Historical Computing Society and the Computer Museum of America. VCFSE is the premier vintage computer festival in the southeast and part of the VCF family of vintage computer festivals, which include VCF East in New Jersey, VCF Midwest in Chicago and VCF West in California. The VCF mission is to educate, promote and demonstrate the evolutionary significance of vintage computers, software and gaming to today’s new generation of innovators by offering attendees a chance to experience the technologies, people and remarkable stories that embody the history of the computer revolution. VCFSE 4.0 will be held at Kings Market Shopping Center, 1425 Market Blvd, Suite 200, Roswell, GA 30076, in what was previously a Comp-USA Super Store. The Festival is open from 10 AM to 7 PM on Saturday and from 10 AM to 5 PM on Sunday. Adult admission is $10 per day or $15 for a two-day pass. Children ages 17 and younger are admitted free when accompanied by a parent or guardian. For more details, please visit http://vcfed.org/wp/festivals/vintage-computer-festival-southeast-4-0/ or http://vcfse.org
Re: Looking for a PERQ
> > This is a laughable ask, I realize that- but I'd really like to find a > PERQ. > > Anywhere in the US and Canada is fair game. I am prepared to work on one in > any condition, and am okay with any model. > > I'm definitely not asking for a handout and would like to negotiate a > reasonable price. (I am aware of the rarity!) > > Please contact me off-list if this is a possibility. > > For reference, I am located in Seattle, WA. > > Cheers, > > - Ian > I know there are 4 or so in your area, but I don't think any are available. The newest one acquired is a PERQ-1 (and it is in good condition...boots just fine ..and just got the report that it booted about a week ago after the chassis with HD arrived) Only problem is we don't know the password for the user (and the guest account is disabled). I know about it, because I rescued it for him out here in Atlanta. And I only rescued it because I had knew Skeezics was a fan from some postings on sun-rescue years ago. I almost gave him a heart attack when I told I had picked it up and it was his, he just had to pay shipping... (it has an interesting history, I was able to contact the guy who orignally purchased it and used it at an architectural design firm he ran, some of the floppies with it are designs for jails... ) The guy who got it from him picked it up at a garage sale he had and was able to squeeze chassis, monitor, etc. into a Smartcar and get it home (with his wife). When I called the original owner he said this was the last one he had (bummer) but he remembers them fondly (and I was even able to find a picture of one in the history part of his company web site... not sure if it's the actual unit I picked up, but could be... ) I don't believe Skeezics is on cctalk, but he has a number of them. Lots of good stories, his Dad worked at 3Rivers Skeezics I beleive also has the OS source and got the last machine that they had left when they closed down. He works on the emulator, etc. and has been chatting with Al about PERQs as well... If you want to see about visiting his collection let me know... Earl the Squirrel
Two Rescues, Too much stuff to add to the project list...
Folks, With the help of my local rescue buddy (Jeff) we had a pretty busy week rescuing a big chunk of things from basements. (and saw a lots of other interesting things... a 90% assembled Rutan EZ in one basement and a very cool, oscilloscope that would probably have have had a lot of folks drooling...a KS-15512-L5 made for Western Electric by Polarad Electronics ...we DID ask about it, but so far he's holding on to it.. but we did get a couple of tube radios for a local AHCS member) I had to pay for some of the material (and both had a "take it all/most" sort of requirement) so my goal is to at least cover my costs (the Wife lets me keep doing so if I keep it at a $0 or positive number... and so far, I have...amazingly enough). Keep that in mind... this isn't going to be a give away... but I'm not trying to make a living here, just didn't want to see stuff end up in the scrap heap. And if I can keep a couple machines. And to be honest, after looking thru all of this, I'm simply not going to have time to restore all of it... the project list is long enough... Here's the list: 1x HP 85 B (plus 3 modules, I'll have to check them out in further detail) 1x HP 9816 with 9131 dual disk drive 4x Otrona Attache's (and a huge plastic tub of original replacement parts... a first look indicates enough to build at least 1 more machine) Some of these have the 8086 accessory board that allows it to run MS-DOS (along with the CPU it normally runs with it's Z80) 1x Wang Model 370 Calculating System with a Model 372 Data Storage System. 2x SOL 20's (and a couple of Micropolis 720 DSDD blue drives for one... ) 1x Zenith H-19 (this may have been updated to a newer model, I haven't dug into it much) 1x Mitsubishi MP-2010 Laptop And there is a pile of SW... believe I have at least a boot disk for each. I've not tried to power anything up (it was a busy week driving around town picking up stuff) except for one Otrona which did seem to have some life, but didn't boot or show anything on the screen. But I haven't checked inside anything so could be simple (And yes, I only tried powering it on because of the HUGE box of spare parts... so was willing to have something emit the magic smoke the curiosity simply was too much :-) ) There are a few assorted terminals and various spare parts that I got as well. If you're interested in anything ping me... and we can see if we can work out details/trade/etc. Pictures can be sent or posted... again, not enough time to get that done yet. One other thing, I'm hoping to get to VCF MW (or at least be able to have someone who is going carry some things) so if you're going to be there, I we could use that to save shipping. I don't have a problem shipping either. EarltheSquirrel.
Wang Model 370
Howdy, Went on a rescue last night and while there were three machines I knew of (a PDP-11 that I'll give more details on later, haven't looked at boards, etc, since it was part of a Particle Measuring System, an HP 85-ish machine and a slightly later HP machine) there was one thing that I hadn't known about... (aside from the very cool old GE 'scope that the guy is keeping... ) A Wang Model 370 Calculating System with a Model 372 Data Storage System. Gotta say this is the oldest thing I've picked up (1967 it came out). No idea if it powers up or not... Definitely needs a cleaning (basement, fairly dusty unit) but before I did anything, was wondering if there are any experts out there that have worked on one of these before who'd be willing to share any helpful hints on verifying this is working... Thanks... EarltheSquirrel
