[cctalk] Re: Recordak Magnaprint Microfiche Printer Free
SMECC had similar but never got much microfilm so were sent to historical society to use on Reels of news paper microfilm. Heh cleared a bit counter space 30 years ago!---'the liquid was same as the old wet type copiers used. Is this pr the paper media available still? Not sure... but not many exist anymore.The one in that brochure is the classic model and that brand is an innovator. Ours was a generic looking thing and no where classy as the brochure model. And that company was THE innovator I think of that tech YEA FIND SOME WHERE TO SAVE IT! Ed# SMECC Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 1:46 PM, Don via cctalk wrote: Hello all, I have a Recordak Magnaprint microfiche printer/reader. It appears to be in decent cosmetic condition but I am not sure if it works or if it is complete. This thing used photosensitized paper and some kind of developer to make positive copies of microfiche reels or sheets. https://archive.org/details/TNM_Recordak_Magnaprint_Reader_microfilm_reader-p_20171102_0036 I don't have space to keep this thing, but I would like to save it from being scrapped if possible. Free for pickup near Buffalo, NY. Contact me if interested! Don
[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...
How well I had to remember the early deadline before the date something was really going to be hit the streets I did photography work for magazines and yeah you had to have it in early just because it was going to be a December issue I bet you had to have stuff in there generally several months ahead of time are you lost out some editors wanted stuff even earlier just depended on how they were and what they were doing and what schedule they were working on and what their time frames were but yeah I think we all nailed it down on that date then thanks everybody for chipping in on the information! Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 10:19 PM, Smith, Wayne via cctalk wrote: "November 19, 1974" is what is written on the "Date of Publication of This Issue" line in Copyright "Form B" (for periodicals) used at the time. The form then states "The copyright law defines the 'date of publication' as '. . . the earliest date when copies . . . were placed on sale, sold or publicly distributed." The form is then signed pursuant to 17 U.S.C. sec. 506(e), which provided for a substantial fine in the event that any false representation was made on the form. There is no reason to doubt the date of publication in the notice. In fact, there is every reason to believe it is correct. In the magazine business it is a routine business practice to have actual publication occur months prior to the "cover date" the publisher places on the magazine. The reason for this is so that the magazines could remain on the newsstands for at least a few months without appearing to be stale. This is particularly the case with magazines published on a monthly cadence. Just as a check, I looked up the publication date of the January 1975 issue of Playboy. According to the copyright registration, it was November 20, 1974. > Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 01:27:28 + (UTC) > From: ED SHARPE > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday... > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Cc: Sellam Abraham > Message-ID: <1726519925.3966543.1714958848...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Perhaps After doing the layout work in the November it was perhaps > copyrighted Immediately during layout But it did not ship Until January > Think! back in those days things did not instantly happen and we're instantly > shipped Ed# > > Sent from AOL on Android > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:09 AM, Sellam Abraham via > cctalk wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024, 1:28 AM Smith, > Wayne via cctalk > wrote: > > > I looked up the Jan. 1975 issue of Popular Electronics in the > > Copyright Office's Periodicals Digest. It was published on Nov. 19, > > 1974 if you are looking for an actual anniversary date. > > > > The January issue was certainly not available in November of 1974. > > When did it actually get sent out and start showing up in people's mailboxes? > > Sellam >
[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...
Perhaps After doing the layout work in the November it was perhaps copyrighted Immediately during layout But it did not ship Until January Think! back in those days things did not instantly happen and we're instantly shipped Ed# Sent from AOL on Android On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:09 AM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024, 1:28 AM Smith, Wayne via cctalk wrote: > I looked up the Jan. 1975 issue of Popular Electronics in the Copyright > Office's Periodicals Digest. It was published on Nov. 19, 1974 if you are > looking for an actual anniversary date. > The January issue was certainly not available in November of 1974. When did it actually get sent out and start showing up in people's mailboxes? Sellam >
[cctalk] Re: BASIC
Then there was Phantasm for basic Gavin wrote! Sent from AOL on Android On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 8:44 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: BASIC was always a popular language in the Hewlett-Packard world. From the HP 2000 timesharing BASIC that was popular in educational settings similar to the original DTSS, To BASIC/3000 on the HP 3000 which was a first-class language with both interpreter and compiler (producing very fast code), to the HP 250/260 which used BASIC as their primary development language, Rocky Mountain BASIC in the technical world, the Series 80 microcomputers, HP Business Basic again on the 3000 which was probably largest and most complex language system ever created for the Classic 16-bit 3000 systems and which was intended to be both a migration path for 250/260 applications to MPE and to be a new standard Basic across multiple HP platforms. From 1980-1986 or so I worked for an HP OEM / ISV whose "ERP" (we didn't call them that yet) package was written in BASIC on the HP 3000. It was limited to Letter-digit variable names but was quite performant and had its own API into the IMAGE DBMS etc. BASIC got used for lots of "serious" development.
[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?
I bought mine 30 years ago at garage sake. For 50 cents Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 4:38 AM, Adrian Godwin wrote: 901B is the first pocket calculator I remember - I don't know if there were earlier ones. I don't think they're exactly rare but later ones such as MX10 are certainly easier to find. They're often in the same case as a 901B but with slightly enhanced functionality such as 10 digits. % key etc. On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 12:31 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Yes. Cell phone horrible typing The Consumer Electronics Hall of Fame: Bowmar 901B Ok can not find b pricevonly c and d Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 3:41 AM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: I think he means Bowmar https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-consumer-electronics-hall-of-fame-bowmar-901b > On 04/16/2024 5:34 AM CDT ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > > No bomar brand > > Sent from AOL on Android > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 7:15 PM, Wayne S wrote: > Bomar as in the Bomber Aircraft? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2024, at 19:04, ED SHARPE via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,? > > > > > > Sent from AOL on Android Grownups never understand anything by themselves and it is tiresome for children to be always and forever explaining things to them, Antoine de Saint-Exupery in The Little Prince
[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?
Some one got a deal on a non-working. Sunday 12 orv23 bucks Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 4:38 AM, Adrian Godwin wrote: 901B is the first pocket calculator I remember - I don't know if there were earlier ones. I don't think they're exactly rare but later ones such as MX10 are certainly easier to find. They're often in the same case as a 901B but with slightly enhanced functionality such as 10 digits. % key etc. On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 12:31 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Yes. Cell phone horrible typing The Consumer Electronics Hall of Fame: Bowmar 901B Ok can not find b pricevonly c and d Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 3:41 AM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: I think he means Bowmar https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-consumer-electronics-hall-of-fame-bowmar-901b > On 04/16/2024 5:34 AM CDT ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > > No bomar brand > > Sent from AOL on Android > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 7:15 PM, Wayne S wrote: > Bomar as in the Bomber Aircraft? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2024, at 19:04, ED SHARPE via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,? > > > > > > Sent from AOL on Android Grownups never understand anything by themselves and it is tiresome for children to be always and forever explaining things to them, Antoine de Saint-Exupery in The Little Prince
[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?
Yes. Cell phone horrible typing The Consumer Electronics Hall of Fame: Bowmar 901B Ok can not find b pricevonly c and d Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 3:41 AM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: I think he means Bowmar https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-consumer-electronics-hall-of-fame-bowmar-901b > On 04/16/2024 5:34 AM CDT ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > > No bomar brand > > Sent from AOL on Android > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 7:15 PM, Wayne S wrote: > Bomar as in the Bomber Aircraft? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2024, at 19:04, ED SHARPE via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,? > > > > > > Sent from AOL on Android Grownups never understand anything by themselves and it is tiresome for children to be always and forever explaining things to them, Antoine de Saint-Exupery in The Little Prince
[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?
No bomar brand Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 7:15 PM, Wayne S wrote: Bomar as in the Bomber Aircraft? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2024, at 19:04, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,? > > > Sent from AOL on Android
[cctalk] Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?
Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,? Sent from AOL on Android
[cctalk] Re: IBM 360
A 360 front panel sold for over $4,000 I think much more on eBay recently I can't believe it I cannot believe it Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 11:46 PM, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: And the 'tarpit' book is 50, dated by the preface. On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 6:22 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 4/9/24 22:03, ben via cctalk wrote: > > On 2024-04-09 8:53 p.m., Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > >> I had not realized the IBM 360 was 60 yrs. old this month. I worked on > >> such > >> a computer in the late 60s in Toronto. What one could do with 8 Kbytes > of > >> ram was remarkable! > >> > >> Happy computing > >> > >> Murray > > Real time sharing, not a 16K PDP 8? > > What model of a 360? 8K sounds a lot like a Model 20, which the purists > may not consider to be a "real" member of the family. > > --Chuck > > >
[cctalk] FASTBACK Help how to recover files stored in this backup format,?
FASTBACK bak up ptogrsm...Help how to recover files stored in this backup format,? Back when the museum was next to computer exchange Inc. Pre '94. We put out a journal once a year Over 100 pages tightly leaded would like to access files and reprint. Would need Pagemaker 3 orveoukd data files be upward compatible with indesign by adob? Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC MUSEUM PROJECT Glendale AZ Sent from AOL on Android
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)
great old "Scelbi 8008 " article in killobaud or Byte in one if the EARLY Issues! Ed# In a message dated 11/25/2023 7:34:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Sorry if not linked correctly - looking through the list via the archives.."reply" option doesn't seem to work (at least for me - older Chrome) >but my understanding was that the 4004 and 8008 were effectively developed>at the same time? And were announced or available about within one month>of each other? I believe they were, although I never had much experience with the 4004...I did play a bit with the 8008 - and wrote a simulator/emulator for the8008 system I had, a Canadian: MIL (Microsystems International Limited) MOD8 (Modular-8) it was also available as: GNC8 (Great Northern Computers) 8008 You can get MOD8 simulator from "Daves Old Computers" and actuallyexperienceusing an 8008 based system including the built in "MONITOR-8" ROM softwareaswell as "Scelbi 8008 BASIC" (one of the earliest) - source to bothprovided. If you care to, I included ASM88 (my 8008 cross assembler) so you can trywriting and running 8008 code! -Be aware that MOD8.COM itself is pretty old and is 16-bit DOS software.This means it WON'T run under modern Windows, but it does work well inDosBox (I recommend the one I have on my site) Dave Dunfield - https://dunfield.themindfactory.com -- --Search "Dave's Old Computers" see "my personal" at bottom!
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004
Nippon Calculating > Machine Co., they agreed that they would take a crack at taking the design > that NCM had developed and work on partitioning it in a way that would work > with chip complexity constraints and packaging, and see if they could come > up with a chipset that they could get AMI to fabricate. Computer Design > Corp. already had the knowledge to do this from their own internal project > to develop their own chipset. > > It isn't known exactly what kind of agreement was forged, and if up-front > money was put up by NCM, but it is known that NCM put a firm deadline in > place stating that a calculator using the chipset would have to be > delivered in person to NCM headquarters and a presentation and demo of the > machine made to NCM executives and engineers. > > Work began immediately on taking the NCM logic design and turning it into > a batch of chips, which, by initial estimate was going to require 19 chips, > and that was assuming higher levels of integration that were only being > perfected by AMI at the time. > > As the NCM delegation was preparing to return to Japan with their hopes > dashed of making an agreement directly with a chipmaker, a call was > received from a fledgling chip manufacturing company that they had briefly > visited when they were in the Santa Clara, CA. area. > > The company specialized in making memory chips, though, and it was > initially thought that the huge amount of random logic that was involved in > the NCM calculator chipset design was beyond the capabilities of this > company. > > Memory devices are just repetitions of the same memory cell pattern over > and over on the chip to make a memory array, with additional logic to do > the address decoding and read/write (for RAM) or read(for ROM) circuitry > and I/O buffers. This type of chip design has some aspects that allow a > degree of automation to be used in laying out the chips, and also had very > little in the way of random logic to complicate the chip design. > > The NCM calculator design was a whole bunch of random logic...gate upon > gate, flip-flop upon flip-flop wired together in a rats nest of logic for > each chip. > > After NCM left this fledgling company named Intel, higher-ups at Intel had > learned of the visit by NCM, and told their underlings to get back in touch > with NCM and let them know they would see what they could do for NCM. > > Intel was cash-hungry at the time, and it was thought that perhaps this > project could serve double-duty...to bring in some needed cash for Intel's > production capacity expansion, as well as to perhaps push Intel's IC > fabrication technology into areas other than RAM and ROM. Intel was doing > well with their memory ICs, but they were limited by the number of chips > they could produce. Chip manufacturing technology is very expensive, so > Intel was investing everything they made in enhancing their production > capabilities. So, maybe working with NCM might help bring in some funds > to help that effort. > > A deal was forged between Intel and NCM. A firm deadline was part of the > contractual language where Intel would have to build a prototype calculator > based on the chips, and bring it to NCM's headquarters on a specific date > and present/demonstrate it to NCM executives and engineers. > > In the end, the NCM chip design was set aside as it was simply beyond the > capability to be fabricated by Intel. Had Intel not had an idea of how to > effectively do what the massively complex chipset did in a much simpler > fashion, who knows what the future would have held. > > The solution to Intel's problem of abandoning NCM's chipset is what became > the Intel 4004. Intel developed and fabricated the 4004 and some support > chips to make it into a useful controller for a calculator, including some > shift register ICs for I/O, some combination RAM and I/O chips, as well as > ROM and I/O chips. They built a very simple prototype calculator that > could do integer-only math as their demo, and presented it to NCM. The > Busicom 141-PF was the resulting production calculator, arguably the first > consumer device to use a microprocessor to create its functionality. The > rest is history. > > There's a piece of the story left hanging, though. > > That's a very, very interesting story that will have to wait until I get > all of my ducks in a row to tell, which I will do on the Old Calculator > Museum website at some point in the not too distant future. I'll certainly > announce it here when it's finalized on up on the website. > > Rick Bensene > The Old Calculator Museum > https://oldcalculatormuseum.com > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: ED SHARPE via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 2:00 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Cc: ED SHARPE > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Intel 4004 > > I had heard something about a f14 chip pehS being first but not avail. To > general public???Ed# > > > Sent from AOL on Android > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:41 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk< > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 21/11/2023 09:03, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > So what are the other contenders and what do they bring to table > > The 4004 was definitely the first commercially available single-chip CPU > on the market, but if you include multi-chip LSI designs, the lines get > blurry. > >
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)
- What were the key differences between the Intelec 4 and our Intelec 8? - What are the possible accessories for Intelec 8? We have a dual floppy cabinet is all. Years I saw an Intel blue colored standalone paper tape punch and reader(we would like one!) Is there a good site that addresses all and lots about intelec systems anyone can recommend? Thanks in advance! Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC MUSEUM PROJECT Glendale AZ Sent from AOL on Android On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:34 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: The Intlec 4 was no more or less a computer than the Altiar or IMSAI was. It didn't typically have as much RAM but one could write and run code on it. As for the F14 processor. For the purpose used, it was likely a DSP. More intended to do matrix multiplication using adds and shifts. This would be similar to Intel's early try at a DSP. The F14 processor was said to control the flight surfaces. Like the Intel 2920 ( not to be confused with the AMD bit slice part) it likely ran tight loops of signal processing operations using tables of lookup coefficients. Dwight
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)
Ibad an intellectual 4 offered to me one time that had a 4040 in it. Is t a 4040 like a 5 but more of the aux chips integrated? Is instruction set the same? Sent from AOL on Android On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 8:34 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: The Intlec 4 was no more or less a computer than the Altiar or IMSAI was. It didn't typically have as much RAM but one could write and run code on it. As for the F14 processor. For the purpose used, it was likely a DSP. More intended to do matrix multiplication using adds and shifts. This would be similar to Intel's early try at a DSP. The F14 processor was said to control the flight surfaces. Like the Intel 2920 ( not to be confused with the AMD bit slice part) it likely ran tight loops of signal processing operations using tables of lookup coefficients. Dwight
[cctalk] Nice 32 dollar goodie to display your 4004 in!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276167634394?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=J2IlG_4zQZS=4429486=8osaXa5ZQwi=_ver=artemis=MORE Sent from AOL on Android
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)
Damn typos sorry Sent from AOL on Android On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 1:51 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Was there ever a COMPUTER using a 4004 that you cud really do something or did tat finally arrive with the 8008 as in the skelby shelby sp? 8008 i now there was an Intel INTELIC 4 (?sp) could n that use 4004 or one of the later 4000 numbered proc. We have an intelec 8 and 8 inch floppy drives here at smecc musem always wanted a 4!Ed# In a message dated 11/21/2023 11:31:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time, dkel...@hotmail.com writes: There is little surviving software for the 4004. There are a few places with snippets of code to do things like add or subtract several digits but my searches of the internet have shown little actual code. The NBS has some code to track satellites and correct for time delays from their clocks ( think GPS ).I'd had a spare 4004 and always wanted to do something with it. I found that the library for work done at the Navy Post Graduate School in Monterey California had 2 projects that students of Gary Kildall created. One was a load calculator for helicopters and the other was for calculating closest point of approach for ships. I'd been unsuccessful at down loading the helicopter code but was able to down load the ships document.I'd let the listing sit for 10's of years while always on the back burner. Over the years I'd acquired the needed parts. I did make a few substitutions, though. The original used 13 each 1702A EPROMs. Since that exceed my budget for a PC board space, I chose the option of using a 4289 and a 2732 EPROM. I did use the original designs number of 4002s, as using RAM through the 4289 would have made significant changes to the software.The problem of the circuit needed to be dealt with. The document had a page labelled 'schematic' that turned out to be the keyboard layout and display layout( both of which I ignored and used my own layout that I though was better ).Before getting to the board design, I needed to get working software. The listing was done on a ASR33 with a deeply rutted platen, typical of hand-me-down things used by a school's command. Letters like R or P would look like F and 0 would look like C. Other letters were easy to figure out but still often had their right edge missing.After entering the list by hand, I'd feed it into my assembler and the tried to run it with my simulator.I'd make corrections as I got the code running.I need to create the circuitry for the keyboard decoder, that took 25 buttons to the 4 bit data bus input of the 4004. There was enough description in the document to create the LED display but I did missed one thing ( that I'll mention later ).I created the board with my typical incorrect wiring, requiring several extra cuts and jumpers. ( the concept was right but I got the pins of the 7402 mixed up.) The one thing that I'd missed was the order of the digit scan. I assumed left to right but the code was actually right to left. After so many cuts and jumpers to get the keyboard right, I dreaded more to fix the scan order so I made the one change to the original software to do right to left ( I still feel bad about that change ).I thought I'd talk a little about how a Closest Point of Approach Calculation is done. Normally it had been done by a graphical method of line drawing on what is called a plotting maneuver board. One used graphical calculations for the trig used. It was all done by pencil and parallel. It is so important that, I believe, that to this day a ship's pilot still needs to be able to do this calculation on a maneuver board, even though such graphical displays are capable of doing such, today. Large ships require significant knowledge of where they are relative to other fixed and moving objects in order to determine the safest path to proceed. A broken display is not time to learn how to do such a calculation.This 4004 calculator used a newly found way of doing tangent calculations, called the CORDIC method. One could clearly see the influence of Gary Kildall's hand in this code. It is noted that he wrote the division routine used and the organization of the code clearly shows the influence of a seasoned programmer. Bring such code back to life was almost as much as making a 4004 processor from discrete transistors but I felt was for me as part of my bucket list.Things I needed to do, included writing an assembler, writing a simulator, learn a PC board CAD, transcribing a poor quality listing, debugging the poorly transcribed listing, creating the keyboard decoder and instrumenting my simulator to be the calculator.Dwight From: ED SHARPE via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 1:03 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Cc: ED SHARPE Subject: [cctalk] Re: Intel 4004 So what are the other contenders and what do they bring to table Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, Nov 20, 2023
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)
Was there ever a COMPUTER using a 4004 that you cud really do something or did tat finally arrive with the 8008 as in the skelby shelby sp? 8008 i now there was an Intel INTELIC 4 (?sp) could n that use 4004 or one of the later 4000 numbered proc. We have an intelec 8 and 8 inch floppy drives here at smecc musem always wanted a 4!Ed# In a message dated 11/21/2023 11:31:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time, dkel...@hotmail.com writes: There is little surviving software for the 4004. There are a few places with snippets of code to do things like add or subtract several digits but my searches of the internet have shown little actual code. The NBS has some code to track satellites and correct for time delays from their clocks ( think GPS ).I'd had a spare 4004 and always wanted to do something with it. I found that the library for work done at the Navy Post Graduate School in Monterey California had 2 projects that students of Gary Kildall created. One was a load calculator for helicopters and the other was for calculating closest point of approach for ships. I'd been unsuccessful at down loading the helicopter code but was able to down load the ships document.I'd let the listing sit for 10's of years while always on the back burner. Over the years I'd acquired the needed parts. I did make a few substitutions, though. The original used 13 each 1702A EPROMs. Since that exceed my budget for a PC board space, I chose the option of using a 4289 and a 2732 EPROM. I did use the original designs number of 4002s, as using RAM through the 4289 would have made significant changes to the software.The problem of the circuit needed to be dealt with. The document had a page labelled 'schematic' that turned out to be the keyboard layout and display layout( both of which I ignored and used my own layout that I though was better ).Before getting to the board design, I needed to get working software. The listing was done on a ASR33 with a deeply rutted platen, typical of hand-me-down things used by a school's command. Letters like R or P would look like F and 0 would look like C. Other letters were easy to figure out but still often had their right edge missing.After entering the list by hand, I'd feed it into my assembler and the tried to run it with my simulator.I'd make corrections as I got the code running.I need to create the circuitry for the keyboard decoder, that took 25 buttons to the 4 bit data bus input of the 4004. There was enough description in the document to create the LED display but I did missed one thing ( that I'll mention later ).I created the board with my typical incorrect wiring, requiring several extra cuts and jumpers. ( the concept was right but I got the pins of the 7402 mixed up.) The one thing that I'd missed was the order of the digit scan. I assumed left to right but the code was actually right to left. After so many cuts and jumpers to get the keyboard right, I dreaded more to fix the scan order so I made the one change to the original software to do right to left ( I still feel bad about that change ).I thought I'd talk a little about how a Closest Point of Approach Calculation is done. Normally it had been done by a graphical method of line drawing on what is called a plotting maneuver board. One used graphical calculations for the trig used. It was all done by pencil and parallel. It is so important that, I believe, that to this day a ship's pilot still needs to be able to do this calculation on a maneuver board, even though such graphical displays are capable of doing such, today. Large ships require significant knowledge of where they are relative to other fixed and moving objects in order to determine the safest path to proceed. A broken display is not time to learn how to do such a calculation.This 4004 calculator used a newly found way of doing tangent calculations, called the CORDIC method. One could clearly see the influence of Gary Kildall's hand in this code. It is noted that he wrote the division routine used and the organization of the code clearly shows the influence of a seasoned programmer. Bring such code back to life was almost as much as making a 4004 processor from discrete transistors but I felt was for me as part of my bucket list.Things I needed to do, included writing an assembler, writing a simulator, learn a PC board CAD, transcribing a poor quality listing, debugging the poorly transcribed listing, creating the keyboard decoder and instrumenting my simulator to be the calculator.Dwight From: ED SHARPE via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 1:03 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Cc: ED SHARPE Subject: [cctalk] Re: Intel 4004 So what are the other contenders and what do they bring to table Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 9:06 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: someone should build it in minecrsft On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:01
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004
what about that intel 3000 bit slice thing is it almost a microprocessor yes no and why? Ed# In a message dated 11/21/2023 3:34:03 PM US Mountain Standard Time, c.murray.mccullo...@gmail.com writes: There are 5 other possibilities for the honour:e or noe and why? No. 2: Texas Instruments applied for a “computing systems CPU” in 1971 and awarded a patent in 1973. The question though is: did TI have a functioning processor based on the TMS1000. Not sure if they did! No. 3: “In 1969 Four-Phase Systems built the 24-bit AL1, which used multiple chips segmented into 8-bit hunks, not unlike a bit-slice processor. In a patent dispute a quarter century later proof was presented that one could implement a complete 8-bit microprocessor using just one of these chips. The battle was settled out of court, which did not settle the issue of the first micro.” No. 4: Is this the first microprocessor? Here is a source: https://historydraft.com/story/microprocessor/pico-electronics-and-general-instrument-gi-introduced-their-first-collaboration-in-ics/425/6329 No. 5: "In 1969 Four-Phase Systems built the 24-bit AL1, which used multiple chips segmented into 8-bit hunks, not unlike a bit-slice processor. In a patent dispute a quarter century later proof was presented that one could implement a complete 8-bit microprocessor using just one of these chips. The battle was settled out of court, which did not settle the issue of the first micro." It seems the answer depends on what is a microprocessor...I suppose when it comes down to capitalism patents count more than anything else! Happy computing, Murray On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:00 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: I had heard something about a f14 chip pehS being first but not avail. To general public???Ed# Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:41 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: On 21/11/2023 09:03, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > So what are the other contenders and what do they bring to table The 4004 was definitely the first commercially available single-chip CPU on the market, but if you include multi-chip LSI designs, the lines get blurry.
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004
I had heard something about a f14 chip pehS being first but not avail. To general public???Ed# Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:41 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: On 21/11/2023 09:03, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > So what are the other contenders and what do they bring to table The 4004 was definitely the first commercially available single-chip CPU on the market, but if you include multi-chip LSI designs, the lines get blurry.
[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004
So what are the other contenders and what do they bring to table Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 9:06 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: someone should build it in minecrsft On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:01 PM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 2023-11-20 5:36 p.m., Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: > > On Nov. 15, 1971 Intel commercially released the 4004 microprocessor > which > > some consider to be the first. Nonetheless, even if not in agreement, it > > made possible the instrument which drives the classic-computing industry > or > > at the very least our hobby! > > > > Happy computing. > > > > Murray > > > https://retrocomputingforum.com/t/swiss-physicist-builds-complete-intel-4004-computer-out-of-smd-transistors/3738 > THE DIY VERSION > >
[cctalk] Fw: Re: 11/15, 11/20 systems and parts, more
Sent from AOL on Android - Forwarded Message - From: "ED SHARPE" To: "lini...@portsmon.org" , "Ed Sharpe" Cc: "Mark Linimon" Sent: Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: 11/15, 11/20 systems and parts, more I have one pdp 11/20 aith procesdor abd ore untested in the garage have not taken for display at our museum. If you had something we likedre it could be yours Want hp 3000 series 2 or 3 Hp 2883 or 2884 disc or 2888 disc (plus some other stuff) A nice large early stash of historic semiconductors Early wireless( as in radio no routers!) Anything related to mccarty wireless telephone of San Francisco Related things to Francis or Ignatius mccarty ERly DeForest radio equipment. Exotic hp computers There us a few areas Nike missile Related hardware etc Thanks ed sharpe archivist f or smecc museum Sent from AOL on Android On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 5:02 PM, Mark Linimon via cctalk wrote: I sincerely doubt I could afford a PDP-11/20 but I still have nostalgia for the first machine I used at university. So I have to ask. mcl
[cctalk] Re: Teletypes for sale
We would love the asr 35sWHAT SHAPE ARE THEY IN? Alas smecc museum is in AZWonder how we could manage this?Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC museum. Sent from AOL on Android On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 7:17 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Hey folks. I need to re-home a bunch of cool old Teletype Corporation machines. Working condition unknown, and also have some spare parts. I am not out to make a mint, so make offer! They seem mostly complete, in varying condition. Some are nicer than others. They all worked when stored (years ago) The following need to find new homes: TT Model 28 ASR (3 of these) TT Model 28 KSR (2 of these) TT Model 28 RO (2 of these) Extra Model 28 Parts TT Model 28 Floor Standing Paper Punch TT Model 32 Baudot TT Model 35 KSR (heavy duty version of the ASR-33) TT Model 35 ASR (Floor stand heavy duty, 2 of these, one Telex) TT Model 40 Dataspeed Teletype manuals and documentation for each model Tell your friends! Delivery is possible. I can assist with loading. Message me for details. Located in the Midwest (Missouri) https://www.facebook.com/groups/vintagecomputerclub/permalink/7307144265985543/
[cctalk] Re: ICL / Digico
I urge folks to contribute $$ to internet archive... The archive and way back machine is a great asset.Ed# SMECC Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 4:55 AM, KenUnix wrote: Thanks ED. Some quite amazing pictures. On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 3:16 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Maybe checkout internet archive various date versions of thier site???Ed# SMECC Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:12 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: So, I was trying to contact "Pete" at vintage-icl-computers.com several times during the last years. Obiously, the site and/or the person is dead, no reaction whatever. I'm hoping that someone on this list might be able to help me: I still have a Digico Micro 16V computer that, one day, I'd like to restore. On the ICL site above I can see that they have (had?) the service manual/schematics for the system, and I would really love to get a scan (or at least high resolution photos) of these. Does anyone here maybe have them or can provide me with some pointers? Oh BTW, software (e.g. papertape images) would be great, too :-) Christian -- End of lineJOB TERMINATED -->> Okey Dokey, OK Boss
[cctalk] Re: ICL / Digico
Maybe checkout internet archive various date versions of thier site???Ed# SMECC Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:12 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: So, I was trying to contact "Pete" at vintage-icl-computers.com several times during the last years. Obiously, the site and/or the person is dead, no reaction whatever. I'm hoping that someone on this list might be able to help me: I still have a Digico Micro 16V computer that, one day, I'd like to restore. On the ICL site above I can see that they have (had?) the service manual/schematics for the system, and I would really love to get a scan (or at least high resolution photos) of these. Does anyone here maybe have them or can provide me with some pointers? Oh BTW, software (e.g. papertape images) would be great, too :-) Christian
[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?
Weird but I even seem to remember someone saying "who woukd been more than 64k" Ed# SMECC Sent from AOL on Android On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:43 AM, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: I don't think Gates ever actually said this - but that's just based on my own examination into this from a few years back. But, over the years I've done some thread programming, and I was once solving a problem by loading a lot of data into main memory (like 8-16GB of data to process as one huge chunk, on a system that only had 32GB total). A while later, I had a thought that actually maybe this quote has some merit. Maybe not the specific amount (of 640KB) - but the general notion that there is rarely a reason for a single application to consume the entirety of main memory. It may be better, especially with threads or multi-core, to work a problem in smaller chunks -- specifically, to work a problem in chunks smaller than the CPU cache. And in fact, I found a huge jump in my programs performance when I kept the buffers exactly 1 byte less than the CPU cache (at the time that was 1MB) - as soon as I went 1 byte over, I noticed a huge (~3X) hit in performance. Now that's just a single data point, and the old advise of "never optimize your program for performance too early" is probably still good. And especially most shops won't spend the time/resources to cache optimize their builds - I suspect some games do at startup, they maybe profile what your L3 cache size. Anyhow, years ago I recall coming across a quote or an article where Gates stated the IBM PC (or maybe the 8088 cpu itself) was designed or intended to only "last" about 10 years. Not that the system components itself would only last that long, but as it being a "useful" system. In that context, maybe he was right (if he had said it) - 640K was maybe "enough for anyone" for the remainder of the 1980s. I recall starting with 384KB (thinking anything past 128KB was "huge") and doing upgrades in the late 1980s to get to 640KB, and not getting into extended/expanded memory until the early 90s. This would be for "typical" household applications (taxes, small business, word processing) - obviously image processing (CAD, movie rendering, etc.) or multi-user servers do need more memory. I also recall that it was Intel that requested to keep it to 10 segments of 64KB (640KB), not really a Microsoft or MS-DOS doing. i.e. aspects beyond Microsoft wanted to reserve the "upper memory" for other stuff (video memory). You have 16 segments, how many to hold in reserve? Someone chose 6. Quick and Dirty OS indeed. On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 11:47 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > So I had always heard the quote "640KB is enough memory" being attributed > to > Bill Gates. However, recently I was watching Dave Plummer on YT and he said > that it is not true: > > https://youtu.be/bikbJPI-7Kg?t=372 > > And apparently the man himself has denied it as well but it just will not > go > away... > > https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/PCWorld/story?id=5214635 > > So I guess like the napkin/disk story and the DR/IBM story this is another > one of those vintage myths and folk lore with no real basis in reality > > -Ali > > > >
[cctalk] Re: Source for NEW (unused) punch tape
Pun h makes all holesEd# SMECC Sent from AOL on Android On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 9:21 AM, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: A slitter is a wide paper feed system with sharp-edged pulleys over which it passes. There are quite a few videos of this on youtube, it's surprisingly well documented. Because slitter manufacturers are selling to mom-and-pop outfits. I think the tape is supplied unpunched and the tape punch makes both feed holes and data holes. I could be wrong. On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 5:10 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 6/8/23 08:52, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: > > I think paper-slitters are pretty common. That is to say, if you go to > > anyone manufacturing adding machine rolls they will have the capability > to > > make custom widths in rather small job lots. It's an industry comparable > > with printing (and often combined, for when till rolls with custom > printing > > is desired). So it may be that although paper tape is no longer available > > from computer stationary suppliers, it can very easily be made in quite > > small MOQs. > > How does one, using modern equipment, both slit and perforate (feed > holes) blank tape? Color me curious. > > --Chuck >
[cctalk] Re: First non-IBM PC-DOS Compatible PC
Dimmemory Selliam... that computer would run pm.or msdos on saMe box. Or 8band 16bit... bal in 80s eone how ended up with one.. Only one I ever saw...ED# SMECC Sent from AOL on Android On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 7:19 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 4:41 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jun 2023, Yeechang Lee via cctalk wrote: > > Hyperion was not alone in having trouble with comm ports. Columbia > > University (my alma mater) reported in January 1984 that unmodified > > Kermit ran on Compaq and Columbia PCs, but Eagle and Seequa needed > > custom code. > > This is the first that I'v seen anybody with Seequa! > > The "Seequa Chameleon 325" was the only commercial PC to have 3.25" disk > drives! (the format that Dysan bet the company on and went under) > I haven't heard how many, if any, of the 325 models were ever built or > sold. > I can't remember if I ever added a Seequa Chameleon to my collection. Definitely more rare than the Otrona Attache. Didn't the Gavilan also use 3.25" disks? I'm pretty sure I still have a Gavilan...somewhere. Sellam
[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 question
Sellam, I hope you do turn it up!Much cooler than an apple 1!Ed# Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 6:43 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 4:01 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Both UPS and Fedex will sometimes falsely claim that they had made a > delivery attempt. I've experienced this. > Does REA claim to have delivered the Altair? > I don't know that anyone can ever know at this point. I'm thinking to put out a small bounty for any verifiable information leading to knowledge of the fate of the shipment, and a larger bounty leading to the prototype itself. Anonimity guaranteed, no questions asked. Sellam
[cctalk] do you have any western electric 498a diodes or know where I can get? Thanks ed sharpe
do you have any western electric 498a diodes or know where I can get? Thanks ed sharpe Sent from AOL on Android
[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums
But Zane you seemed disenchanted with museums even before LCM closed... apparently you wee not happy with LCM? Fill us in? Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 8:11 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Apr 24, 2023, at 11:16 PM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a > firesale of the assets. > Otherwise a lot of donors and contributors would be rightfully upset - me > included. I’m already unhappy, and wishing I’d not donated to the museum. Zane
[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums
...had the opportunity?Tell us more! Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 12:39 AM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Little old Billy G? lol, like he gives a shit. He's too busy selling his snake oil and figuring out ways to turn bugs and chemicals into your next meal. I literally should have strangled him to death when I had the opportunity. Sellam On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 11:17 PM Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a > firesale of the assets. > Otherwise a lot of donors and contributors would be rightfully upset - me > included. > I am disappointed that Bill Gates hasn't bought it already to continue > Paul's vision. > Tom > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 11:30 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 4/24/23 03:18, Pete Turnbull via cctalk wrote: > > > On 24/04/2023 06:45, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > >> Bad link Zane I get a weird screen from the timeEd# > > > > > > Delete the strange character after the last "/" and it will work: > > > > > > > > > https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/after-3-years-flying-heritage-museum-to-reopen-in-everett/ > > > > As I understand the situation, Jody, Paul's sister, is the named > > executor for Paul's assets. I've read that his instructions were to > > sell off most of the assets and donate the proceeds to charity. In > > other words, the LCM will be sold; whether or not it remains intact is a > > decision made by the purchaser. > > > > > > --Chuck > > > > > > >
[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums
Bad link Zane I get a weird screen from the timeEd# Sent from AOL on Android On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 10:29 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: It looks like his air museum was acquired by one of the Walmart heirs. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/after-3-years-flying-heritage-museum-to-reopen-in-everett/ After 3 years, Flying Heritage Museum to reopen in Everett seattletimes.com I wonder if something like this will happen with the computer museum. Question, were Paul Allen’s museums non-profits? Zane
[cctalk] Re: Systron-Donner Block Programming
Michael - most excellent as we have analog computers in the museums displays made by them!!! thanks Ed Sharpe - Archivist for SMECC - Arizona In a message dated 3/25/2023 3:37:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: If anybody is interested in Systron-Donner Corporation, this booklet on “BlockProgramming For Physical Systems” was in a recent acquisition. Available at: https://archive.org/details/bpfps Michael.-- *Blog: RetroRetrospective – Fun today with yesterday's gear……..<http://www.jongleur.co.uk/blogs/>**Podcast*: *Retro Computing Roundtable <http://rcrpodcast.com/>* (Co-Host)
[cctalk] Re: Age of Tape Formats?
That reel of 3 onch tape is heavy... Ihave a reel and the 30 something track tape headgee I could rig a rrader ed# Sent from AOL on Android On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 11:16 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I believe that this photo shows a Datamatic 1000 tape next to a standard1/2" drive. https://i.pinimg.com/564x/00/3e/7d/003e7d4e3a2478db0b9a7c94f2033252.jpg --Chuck
[cctalk] Re: WTB Any storage for a PDP 8/A
I always wanted to build a tss8 system! Ed# hiding out at smecc Sent from AOL on Android On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 11:34 AM, Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk wrote: On 2/25/2023 9:52 AM, silvercreekvalley--- via cctalk wrote: > Thanks Vince - I knew about the RX emulators but not the serial disk - that > sounds interesting. Is there any documentation on that - I had a look at the > GitHub but seemed a bit sparse. Suggestions on how to make it more accessible are welcome. (Kyle and I are the maintainers, with some help from Doug and others.) Basically, the idea is to take the great many existing (RK05) images, and convert them to work over a serial port to a server running in a generic POSIX environment. There are several parts to this: There's some documentation (SerialDisk/docs) There are system and non-system handlers for the new device (handler). There are a couple of choices for short bootstrap programs to get things rolling (bootloader). There are a few provided RK05 images (disks). There's the POSIX program to serve the disk images over the serial line (server). There are various conversion schemes to get your RK05 image converted to the new drivers. The one I use most uses the SIMH simulator to automate the ritual of uninstalling RK05 drivers and replacing them with SerialDisk driver. The Makefile there will actually convert a disk image, and you could just swipe the default one once it's been made. Once the disk image(s) are converted to the new drivers, they boot OS/8 in a simple way using one of the short bootstraps. The other things you need (besides a PDP-8) are a PC/RasPi/whatever to run the server on, and as fast a serial port as you can manage. There are also example config files for running the whole thing under SIMH on your POSIX box. If you're more concerned about getting software developed than about the retro experience, that's also a great way to speed things along. TBH, when I'm in a hurry I often just use SIMH with the cross assembler, and skip OS/8 altogether until I'm ready to verify that things work on real hardware. You'll need more interaction with OS/8 to open files and such, so that might not work for you. It is a great relief to use a proper editor, rather than the one in OS/8. You might also want to hunt down the emacs-like editor that was done for OS/8 a couple of years ago, if you're going to be working native a lot. Vince
[cctalk] Re: Late '70s DEC manual covers [niche!]
Why does it show me Samsung health screen when I download? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 12:58 AM, Paul Flo Williams via cctalk wrote:Folks, During lockdown I was having some fun redrawing old DEC manual coverswith Inkscape, specifically terminal and printer manuals from the late1970s. I've attached a montage of four that I printed out so I couldstick it on the wall. I'm aware I may be the only person, even here,who finds them attractively simple and coloured in such a definably1970s way. Some of these designs were used on several manuals, but I'd like toknow if you know of any other designs that follow this pattern that Icould add to the collection? The VT102 User Guide has differentcolours, so it looks out of place. A copy of the LA34 User Guide iswinging its way to me as we speak. For an infinite number of bonus points, does anyone have any clue whomight have designed these? Paul
[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp
By Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 6:01 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:On 2023-01-30 1:50 p.m., Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: >> On 2023-01-30 2:12 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: The 5150 had a >> cassette port! . . . The 5160 no longer had the cassette port. On >> Mon, 30 Jan 2023, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:>>> The cassette port on the >> 5150 could also be used as a>>> Telecommunication Device for the Deaf (TDD) >> many years ago I made up>>> a ISA bus card with the same function as the >> cassette port for a>>> gentleman that wanted to move on from a 5150 but >> still needed the>>> cassette port for a TDD device. Interesting! Was >> that stand-alone and compatible with the ordinary TDD/TTY units?>> (and >> coupled to a modem)>> Or was that solely for communicating with other >> 5150s? Or was that to use the 5150 as a KSR terminal for a TDD/TTY >> handling>> the POT communication? -->> Grumpy Ol' Fred >> ci...@xenosoft.com>>> I don't recall all the details but I seem to recall >> that the cassette> interface was used to generate the modem tones and would >> be connected to> an acoustic coupler. I believe the software emulated a >> TDD/TTY but I> don't recall if it was Baudot or ACSII. It would not have >> been a stretch> to do it all in software as the rate is only 45 Baud and the >> tone> generation for the cassette interface was done in software.>> Paul. >RTTY software might do that.Ben. And rtth uses different tones from tdd totally differentED#
[cctalk] Re: 5150 cassette (Was: DLOAD BASIC command for Color Comp
Hi Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 12:12 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:>> The 5150 had a cassette port!>> . . .>> The 5160 no longer had the cassette port. On Mon, 30 Jan 2023, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:> The cassette port on the 5150 could also be used as a Telecommunication> Device for the Deaf (TDD) many years ago I made up a ISA bus card with the> same function as the cassette port for a gentleman that wanted to move on> from a 5150 but still needed the cassette port for a TDD device. Interesting! Was that stand-alone and compatible with the ordinary TDD/TTY units?(and coupled to a modem)Or was that solely for communicating with other 5150s? Or was that to use the 5150 as a KSR terminal for a TDD/TTY handling thePOT communication? --Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com Was this to actually communicate with the true Deftones for tdd work if so I'd be real interested in it we have a very large collection of items that are assistive for the deaf and hard of hearing at smecc Museum and this would qualify for that so yeah tell me some more thanks Ed
[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.
Please send info directly to me can not accessing fb. Tbanks Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:40 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Dang it purdy. Alas I'm 3000 miles away.
[cctalk] Re: HP3000 recently deinstalled available in Colorado for nothing.
Photos. Contact info??? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:37 AM, Technoid Mutant via cctalk wrote:I snipped this from an instant post on facebook, 26Jan2022 at 12:35pmEastern Standard Time.::We just de-commissioned our HP3000 minicomputer in December 2022 and arewilling to give it away free to anyone willing to pick it up. Photos tofollow, but it is the whole system, with 2 green bar printers, manualset al.Be sure you understand what this is. It is a 1970s era minicomputer thatis large and heavy. Sitting on our loading dock inside our building ittakes up maybe 10 feet of wall space. This is not a modern "minicomputer" like an Intel NUC or Mac Mini... this thing is a BEAST.Priority given to whomever can pick it up first during business hours(8:00am to 5:00pm). Located in Denver, Colorado near I-25 and Colorado Blvd.
[cctalk] Re: USB Attached 5.25" drives?
I came into this convo late isthmus for 5.25 usb? I found only 3.1/2 disk...help,? I need 5.25 USB disk drive thanks ed sharpe Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 9:32 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:On 1/20/23 16:25, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > I'm game to try. I see them nominally listed for sale, so I asked for a> > quote for 10. We'll see if they are really available or not. I've also seen them being offered on AliExpress... --CHuck
[cctalk] Re: DEC LINC Eight auction
Absolutely gorgeous!Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 10:01 AM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: Popped up in a search: A DEC LINC Eight up for auction in Friedens, PA. https://hibid.com/lot/143159802/digital-equipment-corp-linc-eight-vintage Currently has a single bid for $1.00 They are even offering shipping! Visually looks to be in excellent shape https://cdn.hibid.com/img.axd?id=7750162854==false===0=0===true=false=MAX=dXJczRVCwWW3aM2jOohA14P%2ful8pCw%2bs Steve
[cctalk] Re: Old Silicon Valley poster
Yes that !s what I saw! But tie that to an episode now Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 12:20 AM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: I haven't found the episode yet but this is their website with what I assume is the poster. https://gspawn.com/products/apple-computer-poster-map-of-silicon-valley-in-1990-price-check. They are asking $799.00. In comparison they are also asking $699 for a trs-80 model 3. On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 6:46 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Thanks for the tip. > > I found the episode ==> > https://play.history.com/shows/pawn-stars-do-america/season-1/episode-4 > > I watched through the entire insidious thing. Unfortunately, the Silicon > Valley poster never comes up. > > However, there is a Apple ][+ that they buy for $700 (lol) at timemark > 1:55, and at 17:21 some jabronis bring in some mini stand-up arcade games > and then they eventually end up in their warehouse full of pinball > machines. > > What an obnoxious show. It's just Antiques Roadshow but with bad dialogue > and annoying personalities. > > Regardless, if you can remember which episode the poster was in, I'd > still like to watch that. > > Sellam > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:19 PM ED SHARPE wrote: > > > Sellam, Yes the episode was there special held in San Francisco in the > > pawn stars do America series that aired a week or so before the list > > member was selling these? Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp> > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:40 PM, Sellam Abraham > > wrote: > > Ed, > > > > Do you remember the episode? > > > > Sellam > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 10:37 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Having a good hi Def scan would indeed be nice. > > Having this thing show up on pawn stars probably helped kick the price > > up.Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 6:18 PM, Don R via cctalk< > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: I’m surprised no one has scanned one for upload to archive.org. > > Would that reduce its auction value? ;) > > > > Don Resor > > > > Sent from someone's iPhone > > > > > On Dec 10, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 5:59 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > >>> On 12/10/22 18:27, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Well, she went for $810 to a map dealer in London, and he had to pay > > >>> about another $200 for the eBay global shipping program and duties. > > >>> > > >>> I asked one of the other losing bidders about what I had here and why > > it > > >>> was popular... he said "Dealers are collecting them and > > >>> trying to sell them at various price points. So far sales > > >>> have been pretty minimal at anything over $1000. The > > >>> exception is that some libraries are starting to collect > > >>> them with an eye on the future." > > >>> > > >>> I'll see if I can stitch a good scan before I ship it out. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I wonder what my Unix Wizard poster is worth? (not that I would ever > > >> part with it!!) > > >> > > > > > > Last I priced mine, they were going for 100-200 USD. But there aren't > > many > > > for sale ... > > > > > > Warner > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
[cctalk] Re: Old Silicon Valley poster
There are 2each 2 hour episodes each skimming might not catch it especially sine the poster is just one urem of a 4 item feature that us out of 4 of video! videos! Yea I am calling it quitting this topic too!ED# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 6:07 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I watched the correct episode but posted the wrong link. Here is the link to the SF episode ==> https://play.history.com/shows/pawn-stars-do-america/season-1/episode-3 Sellam On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:00 PM ED SHARPE wrote: > I said > Sf. You have link for Seattle. Try the sf one! > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp> > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:45 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > Thanks for the tip. > > I found the episode ==> > https://play.history.com/shows/pawn-stars-do-america/season-1/episode-4 > > I watched through the entire insidious thing. Unfortunately, the Silicon > Valley poster never comes up. > > However, there is a Apple ][+ that they buy for $700 (lol) at timemark > 1:55, and at 17:21 some jabronis bring in some mini stand-up arcade games > and then they eventually end up in their warehouse full of pinball > machines. > > What an obnoxious show. It's just Antiques Roadshow but with bad dialogue > and annoying personalities. > > Regardless, if you can remember which episode the poster was in, I'd > still like to watch that. > > Sellam > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:19 PM ED SHARPE wrote: > > > Sellam, Yes the episode was there special held in San Francisco in the > > pawn stars do America series that aired a week or so before the list > > member was selling these? Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp> > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:40 PM, Sellam Abraham > > wrote: > > Ed, > > > > Do you remember the episode? > > > > Sellam > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 10:37 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Having a good hi Def scan would indeed be nice. > > Having this thing show up on pawn stars probably helped kick the price > > up.Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 6:18 PM, Don R via cctalk > > > wrote: I’m surprised no one has scanned one for upload to archive.org. > > Would that reduce its auction value? ;) > > > > Don Resor > > > > Sent from someone's iPhone > > > > > On Dec 10, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 5:59 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > >>> On 12/10/22 18:27, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Well, she went for $810 to a map dealer in London, and he had to pay > > >>> about another $200 for the eBay global shipping program and duties. > > >>> > > >>> I asked one of the other losing bidders about what I had here and why > > it > > >>> was popular... he said "Dealers are collecting them and > > >>> trying to sell them at various price points. So far sales > > >>> have been pretty minimal at anything over $1000. The > > >>> exception is that some libraries are starting to collect > > >>> them with an eye on the future." > > >>> > > >>> I'll see if I can stitch a good scan before I ship it out. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I wonder what my Unix Wizard poster is worth? (not that I would ever > > >> part with it!!) > > >> > > > > > > Last I priced mine, they were going for 100-200 USD. But there aren't > > many > > > for sale ... > > > > > > Warner > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
[cctalk] Re: Old Silicon Valley poster
more than one poster or artwork from the one seller. only episodes I watched were sf and seattle.Seattle..Haha to be from a seller with more than one offering... unless they pulled it... I am not going to rewatch them Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 6:07 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I watched the correct episode but posted the wrong link. Here is the link to the SF episode ==> https://play.history.com/shows/pawn-stars-do-america/season-1/episode-3 Sellam On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:00 PM ED SHARPE wrote: > I said > Sf. You have link for Seattle. Try the sf one! > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp> > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:45 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > Thanks for the tip. > > I found the episode ==> > https://play.history.com/shows/pawn-stars-do-america/season-1/episode-4 > > I watched through the entire insidious thing. Unfortunately, the Silicon > Valley poster never comes up. > > However, there is a Apple ][+ that they buy for $700 (lol) at timemark > 1:55, and at 17:21 some jabronis bring in some mini stand-up arcade games > and then they eventually end up in their warehouse full of pinball > machines. > > What an obnoxious show. It's just Antiques Roadshow but with bad dialogue > and annoying personalities. > > Regardless, if you can remember which episode the poster was in, I'd > still like to watch that. > > Sellam > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:19 PM ED SHARPE wrote: > > > Sellam, Yes the episode was there special held in San Francisco in the > > pawn stars do America series that aired a week or so before the list > > member was selling these? Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp> > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:40 PM, Sellam Abraham > > wrote: > > Ed, > > > > Do you remember the episode? > > > > Sellam > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 10:37 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Having a good hi Def scan would indeed be nice. > > Having this thing show up on pawn stars probably helped kick the price > > up.Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 6:18 PM, Don R via cctalk > > > wrote: I’m surprised no one has scanned one for upload to archive.org. > > Would that reduce its auction value? ;) > > > > Don Resor > > > > Sent from someone's iPhone > > > > > On Dec 10, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 5:59 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > >>> On 12/10/22 18:27, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Well, she went for $810 to a map dealer in London, and he had to pay > > >>> about another $200 for the eBay global shipping program and duties. > > >>> > > >>> I asked one of the other losing bidders about what I had here and why > > it > > >>> was popular... he said "Dealers are collecting them and > > >>> trying to sell them at various price points. So far sales > > >>> have been pretty minimal at anything over $1000. The > > >>> exception is that some libraries are starting to collect > > >>> them with an eye on the future." > > >>> > > >>> I'll see if I can stitch a good scan before I ship it out. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I wonder what my Unix Wizard poster is worth? (not that I would ever > > >> part with it!!) > > >> > > > > > > Last I priced mine, they were going for 100-200 USD. But there aren't > > many > > > for sale ... > > > > > > Warner > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
[cctalk] Re: Old Silicon Valley poster
Check Seattle also I watched both same evening...when wa mixed in with art or grunge rock.posters Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 6:07 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I watched the correct episode but posted the wrong link. Here is the link to the SF episode ==> https://play.history.com/shows/pawn-stars-do-america/season-1/episode-3 Sellam On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:00 PM ED SHARPE wrote: > I said > Sf. You have link for Seattle. Try the sf one! > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp> > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:45 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > Thanks for the tip. > > I found the episode ==> > https://play.history.com/shows/pawn-stars-do-america/season-1/episode-4 > > I watched through the entire insidious thing. Unfortunately, the Silicon > Valley poster never comes up. > > However, there is a Apple ][+ that they buy for $700 (lol) at timemark > 1:55, and at 17:21 some jabronis bring in some mini stand-up arcade games > and then they eventually end up in their warehouse full of pinball > machines. > > What an obnoxious show. It's just Antiques Roadshow but with bad dialogue > and annoying personalities. > > Regardless, if you can remember which episode the poster was in, I'd > still like to watch that. > > Sellam > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:19 PM ED SHARPE wrote: > > > Sellam, Yes the episode was there special held in San Francisco in the > > pawn stars do America series that aired a week or so before the list > > member was selling these? Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp> > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:40 PM, Sellam Abraham > > wrote: > > Ed, > > > > Do you remember the episode? > > > > Sellam > > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 10:37 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Having a good hi Def scan would indeed be nice. > > Having this thing show up on pawn stars probably helped kick the price > > up.Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 6:18 PM, Don R via cctalk > > > wrote: I’m surprised no one has scanned one for upload to archive.org. > > Would that reduce its auction value? ;) > > > > Don Resor > > > > Sent from someone's iPhone > > > > > On Dec 10, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 5:59 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > >>> On 12/10/22 18:27, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Well, she went for $810 to a map dealer in London, and he had to pay > > >>> about another $200 for the eBay global shipping program and duties. > > >>> > > >>> I asked one of the other losing bidders about what I had here and why > > it > > >>> was popular... he said "Dealers are collecting them and > > >>> trying to sell them at various price points. So far sales > > >>> have been pretty minimal at anything over $1000. The > > >>> exception is that some libraries are starting to collect > > >>> them with an eye on the future." > > >>> > > >>> I'll see if I can stitch a good scan before I ship it out. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I wonder what my Unix Wizard poster is worth? (not that I would ever > > >> part with it!!) > > >> > > > > > > Last I priced mine, they were going for 100-200 USD. But there aren't > > many > > > for sale ... > > > > > > Warner > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
[cctalk] Re: Old Silicon Valley poster
Sellam, Yes the episode was there special held in San Francisco in the pawn stars do America series that aired a week or so before the list member was selling these? Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 12:40 PM, Sellam Abraham wrote: Ed, Do you remember the episode? Sellam On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 10:37 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Having a good hi Def scan would indeed be nice. Having this thing show up on pawn stars probably helped kick the price up.Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 6:18 PM, Don R via cctalk wrote: I’m surprised no one has scanned one for upload to archive.org. Would that reduce its auction value? ;) Don Resor Sent from someone's iPhone > On Dec 10, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 5:59 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >>> On 12/10/22 18:27, John Foust via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> Well, she went for $810 to a map dealer in London, and he had to pay >>> about another $200 for the eBay global shipping program and duties. >>> >>> I asked one of the other losing bidders about what I had here and why it >>> was popular... he said "Dealers are collecting them and >>> trying to sell them at various price points. So far sales >>> have been pretty minimal at anything over $1000. The >>> exception is that some libraries are starting to collect >>> them with an eye on the future." >>> >>> I'll see if I can stitch a good scan before I ship it out. >>> >> >> I wonder what my Unix Wizard poster is worth? (not that I would ever >> part with it!!) >> > > Last I priced mine, they were going for 100-200 USD. But there aren't many > for sale ... > > Warner > >> >
[cctalk] Re: Old Silicon Valley poster
Having a good hi Def scan would indeed be nice. Having this thing show up on pawn stars probably helped kick the price up.Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 6:18 PM, Don R via cctalk wrote: I’m surprised no one has scanned one for upload to archive.org. Would that reduce its auction value? ;) Don Resor Sent from someone's iPhone > On Dec 10, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk > wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 5:59 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >>> On 12/10/22 18:27, John Foust via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> Well, she went for $810 to a map dealer in London, and he had to pay >>> about another $200 for the eBay global shipping program and duties. >>> >>> I asked one of the other losing bidders about what I had here and why it >>> was popular... he said "Dealers are collecting them and >>> trying to sell them at various price points. So far sales >>> have been pretty minimal at anything over $1000. The >>> exception is that some libraries are starting to collect >>> them with an eye on the future." >>> >>> I'll see if I can stitch a good scan before I ship it out. >>> >> >> I wonder what my Unix Wizard poster is worth? (not that I would ever >> part with it!!) >> > > Last I priced mine, they were going for 100-200 USD. But there aren't many > for sale ... > > Warner > >> >
[cctalk] Re: Old Silicon Valley poster
Watch PAWN stars do America WITH CHUM LEE ETC. . The SF. Episode that ran. That poster was in it I believe Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:27 AM, Alexander Huemer via cctalk wrote: It would be cool if those could be scanned before disappearing somewhere. -Alex On Sun, Dec 04, 2022 at 09:11:44PM -0600, John Foust via cctalk wrote: > > I'm cleaning out my warehouse bit by bit, and started selling posters > on the eBay. > > I have two of these: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/334649989332 > > I sold one of these posters last week for $95+20 s/h. > > I listed the second one and the buyer of the first one submitted > an offer for $300 and then for $500. Then a second guy offered $350. > I declined all three, then did the rotten move of jacking the price > to $350 because no one had yet bid, and now the second guy > has bid $350. > > Not to humble brag, but what do I have here? I probably got > them for free at a trade show. > > - John >
[cctalk] Re: RIP Fred Brooks (1931-2022)
Alas another one gone. Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 7:34 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: As the subject (and wikipedia) say: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Brooks -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
[cctalk] Re: Beehive Topper help needed
Iam looking for the beehive has detached keyboard upper case oly tanish caseI was king of uppercase only on the hp2000 with that. Needs to be clean an if working that is a bonus! Upper case forsever ubies. Hah! Drop me a line with photo, condition and price!Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 4:05 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 11/5/22 15:45, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 at 17:17, Harten via cctalk wrote: >> >> Hi folks! >> >> Is there anyone out there, who can help me with my Beehive Topper >> CP/M machine? > > > One of these? > > https://www.reddit.com/r/retrocomputing/comments/vud92z/weve_found_a_beehive_international_bee_1_or_b1_in/ Isn't that just a B1 terminal? http://bitsavers.org/pdf/beehive/ads/Beehive_Micro_B1.jpg --Chuck
[cctalk] Re: LC:M+L (Living Computer Museum)
Yea they are squatting on something SMECC museum would dearly love Ed Sharpe - Archivist for SMECC Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 9:13 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 12:34:29PM -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > [...] > > Even if it doesn't reopen, I'd hope that its collection would not > simply be scrapped. I imagine a lot of people here would be > interested in parts of it. I'm one of them... If I was a donator, I would now be writing an rather officially looking letter to let them know, that if they have intention to misuse my donation then I have intention to have it back. So they have to stuff this paper into their files and maybe even be nice to donator. I have no idea how this seems from the side of the law - is it at all possible that donator can claim his donation back? If there is a good reason for this, of course. It was given to the museum, with purpose to have it exhibited or otherwise used by some group of people. If museum is being scrapped for good, then this purpose is not going to be fulfilled, so???... Or, if museum decided to give it to some artistic movement, which used it in their performances - say, peeing on olde computer, making it puff and throw sparks, under the slogans painted on the wall, claiming this very computer enabled certain pitiful aspects of western civilization (which I will not name, so as to not have attention of bots). How is that called in English law-speak, abuse of good faith? -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **
[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012
Re below. why would they refuse cash? And vy the way, as soon as I had it, I offered it, but they refused the tender. of the building. The landlord doesn't get to keep a million dollars of property over $4,000 of missed rent. It is not lawful to liquidate any of the tenant's property to offset the debt, unless they go through a long and drawn out legal process. Sellam On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 2:11 PM Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > Shoulda paid the rent. > > A sad tale indeed. > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 4:11 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > The good news is that most of my best stuff was either already with me > or I > > was able to get out, including my two Lisa 1's, my (straight) PDP-8, and > > several other precious items. I long since sold off most of this to pay > to > > live, since at the same time they destroyed my collection they destroyed > my > > business (not to mention my life's work). > > > > I've gone on to build a new collection out of the old, one that is--like > my > > original collection--unrivaled anywhere on the planet. But this time > I've > > erected castle walls around it, surrounded by a moat filled with > > alligators. > > > > Sellam > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 11:58 AM Ryan de Laplante via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > I didn’t know you were able to recover 20% of the collection before > being > > > locked out again. I know losing any of it is terrible, but I’m > guessing > > > you prioritized the very best pieces of the collection when recovering > > the > > > 20%, such as your Lisa 1? > > > > > > I kept my collection in storage lockers for years. I kept moving to > > > larger and larger lockers, then eventually two large lockers, because > my > > > collecting got out of control. Prices kept going up every year and it > > was > > > a nightmare having to pay what I did just to store the collection. > > > Fortunately I was able to move to a house and relocated the collection > > to > > > the basement. Not everything could come home with me, so I sold the > > > remaining lower priority pieces to the first person who could clear the > > > locker over a weekend. I didn’t get much for it, but at least it > didn’t > > go > > > to a recycler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 17, 2022, at 4:54 AM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk < > > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > Long story very short: > > > > > > > > Landlords evicted me from their warehouse where my collection was > > stored > > > > and wouldn't let me back in. Had to go to court. Regained access > and > > > was > > > > able to pull out 20% of the collection before they locked me out > again > > > for > > > > good. Then sold the rest to computer recyclers, who proceeded to > > scatter > > > > it to the wind. > > > > > > > > Sellam > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:43 AM Ali via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> You had to ask..I was there 3000 years ago (or about 10 years > ago > > in > > > >> non Tolkien meme terms) and it wasn't pretty > > > >> Original message From: Tom Hunter via cctalk < > > > >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> Date: 10/17/22 1:31 AM (GMT-08:00) To: > > > "General > > > >> Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > Cc: > > > Tom > > > >> Hunter Subject: [cctalk] Great Vintage > Computer > > > >> Heist of 2012 Sellam Abraham referred to a "Great VintageComputer > > Heist > > > of > > > >> 2012". What was that about? Who stole what and where andwhy? > > > > > > > > > > > >
[cctalk] Re: Data General Nova and Eclipse Hobbyist License...
Wild Hare Rocks!!!Thanks guys!Ed Sharpe archivist for smecc Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 5:23 PM, Bruce Ray via cctalk wrote: G'day Paul - It is not a sublicense - Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc., now has full IP rights and title to Data General software pursuant to a transfer agreement by DG/EMC[/Dell] and Wild Hare. Bruce Ray Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc. On 10/24/2022 5:35 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > Very nice! So I take it that's a sublicense of Dell/EMC IP? It doesn't say > that. > > paul > > >> On Oct 24, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Bruce Ray via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> >> Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc., is pleased to announce that a >> "Hobbyist License" is now available for legacy Data General >> Nova and Eclipse software. This license allows educational, hobbyist, >> non-commercial use of the vast amount of DG software - software >> that changed the world in many ways. >> >> The initial archives are currently available at: >> >> www.NovasAreForever.org/dgsw >> >> and includes documentation for the corresponding software. >> >> >> This October announcement also honors the 54th anniversary of the original >> Data General Nova. An international celebration of the Nova's 50th >> anniversary was >> hosted by Wild Computer Systems in Colorado, USA. Some of the festivities >> can be seen at: >> >> www.Nova-At-50.org >> >> and >> >> www.Nova-At-50.org/album/index.html >> >> >> To complement this Hobbyist License, a Nova and Eclipse emulator that can >> run all of the >> software will be introduced later this week. >> >> >> Wild Hare Computer Systems is dedicated to preserving Data General's >> significant contributions to computer history. We seek DG hardware, >> software, documentation, >> sales literature - basically "anything DG" - that can be added to the >> archives for posterity. >> >> >> >> Bruce Ray >> Wild Hare Computer Systems, Inc. >> Denver, Colorado USA >> b...@wildharecomputers.com >> >> ...preserving the Data General legacy: www.NovasAreForever.org >> >> www.WildHareComputers.com >> >> www.NovasAreForever.org >
[cctalk] Re: Bubble Memory
What's the story of this pirate shipping on kind of an interesting name but I don't know what what kind of reputation do they have? thanks Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 6:39 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: If you want I can buy them for you and ship them to you. Since shipping is free it'll only cost you for the overseas shipping, and I can get good rates through PirateShip. If you're interested, e-mail me off-list and we'll work out the details. Sellam On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 6:24 PM Doug Jackson via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Sigh... > > Yet another American seler who doesn't understand how simple overseas > shipping is. > > Kindest regards, > > Doug Jackson > > em: d...@doughq.com > ph: 0414 986878 > > Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com > Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net > > > > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 03:12, Douglas Taylor via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 10/19/2022 5:49 PM, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: > > > On eBay, 10pcs for $75: https://www.ebay.com/itm/394216367144 > > > > > > =] > > > -- > > > Anders Nelson > > > > This reminded me that I have a qbus Bubble Tek (or something) board in > > my collection. It emulates an RX01 device, however it uses the Intel > > 7110 bubble memory and contains 1M bit of data. That is 128 KB! > > > > Formatted you get a 128KB RX01, and you thought the 256KB RX01 was a > > small space to work in. > > > > Doug > > > > > > >
[cctalk] Re: Bendix G-15 Restoration
GE PROCESSS CONTROL COMPUTERS WENT TO A THIRD PARTY LARGE CORE STORE TO REPLACE SOME OF THE VERMONT RESEARCH DRUMS. SMECC SAVES ANYTHING RELATED TO GE PROCESS CONTROL COMPUTERS. AND ALSO GE DATA SYSTEMS EMAIL US WITH ITEMS FOR SALE OR? GE COMPUTERS. A PRODUCT OF ARIZONA THANKS ED SHARPE ARCHIVIST FOR SMECC Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 4:14 PM, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2022-10-07 1:09 p.m., paul.kimpel--- via cctalk wrote: > We'd all like to see the ALGO compiler, but be forewarned -- it's something > like 14 passes on paper tape, with intermediate results punched on paper > tape. I understand it's a bit more convenient to use if you have magnetic > tape drives, but it's still going to be slow -- there's only so much you can > do with 2K words of memory. Trying to hide the fact the drum makes it slow. Did any one ever replace the drum with core memory, on the early serial computers? Ben.
[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.
I am quite sure the recipient was very happy to get it. Especially with i/o cards etc.Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Earlier this spring. I posted about it, and the general opinion was that a HP1000 wasn't really worth anything so I just gave it to someone. If things aren't worth anything I will chuck them. No point in keeping junk around. C On 9/23/2022 10:22 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: > When was that?
[cctalk] Re: HP 150 software
Agreed! I used to sell 150s and all the HP PC models that followed... when we had the computer biz and some of these compilers I never head of! We do not have the odd balls at SMECC MUSEUM either... so Stan haams a task ahead and should save some of this stuff off.Ed Sharpe Archividt for SMECC MUSEUM Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 3:15 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: I have a HP-150 but I am in the UK. I think it would be good to get the images made and archived before sending the floppies anywhere at all. Regards Rob > -Original Message- > From: Stan Sieler via cctalk > Sent: 07 September 2022 01:51 > To: ba...@googlegroups.com; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic > Posts > Cc: Stan Sieler > Subject: [cctalk] HP 150 software > > Hi, > > I found a bunch of original HP 150 software on 3.5" floppies ... > any HP 150 collectors here? Free, pickup, Cupertino. > > Includes the following. About 1/2 are original disks. > > The most unusual are probably the compilers from Prospero, and the > IMAGE-like database (Mirage?) from Datasoft International (the developer > was likely Michel Kohon, from France, and a member of the HP 3000 > community). > > Datacom: > DSN/Link > HP PCLink > Kermit > PC2622 > Reflection 1 Plus > > Misc / Unknown: > Ally/150 > Application Master Extended I/O Application > Cardfile (full app) > Cardfile demo > Computer tutor 150 > Edit/150 from KSD systems Limited > Infocom sampler > Interex CSL/100 volume 56 > Interex CSL150 (contributed library) > Mentor version 1.E.1 from KSD systems Limited > System demo > Thinkjet demo > Visicalc > > Games: > Tick Tock, Radar, Othello, others > Type attack, Temple of Apshai, Ricochet > Winning Deal > Zork > > Programming... > C (unknown...just says "C" on label) > Lattice C > MASM > Modula 2 > MVP Forth (on misc games floppy) > Pro Fortran from Prospero > Pro For 1 (possibly same as above) > Pro Pascal from Prospero > Borland Turbo Pascal 2.0 > > ISV Development (from HP) > ISV revision A.1.2 (Independent Software Vendor toolkit from HP?) > Programmers Toolkit (HP) > Programmers tools: debug, sort, find, edlin, ece2bin, ...more... (HP) > > Database: ??? > Mirager Version ii 2.A.1 Datasoft International > Mirage Library > Mirage I > > //
[cctalk] Re: HP 150 software
A pity! Too far from az for pickup Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 10:56 PM, Stan Sieler via cctalk wrote: Hi, I found a bunch of original HP 150 software on 3.5" floppies ... any HP 150 collectors here? Free, pickup, Cupertino. Includes the following. About 1/2 are original disks. The most unusual are probably the compilers from Prospero, and the IMAGE-like database (Mirage?) from Datasoft International (the developer was likely Michel Kohon, from France, and a member of the HP 3000 community). Datacom: DSN/Link HP PCLink Kermit PC2622 Reflection 1 Plus Misc / Unknown: Ally/150 Application Master Extended I/O Application Cardfile (full app) Cardfile demo Computer tutor 150 Edit/150 from KSD systems Limited Infocom sampler Interex CSL/100 volume 56 Interex CSL150 (contributed library) Mentor version 1.E.1 from KSD systems Limited System demo Thinkjet demo Visicalc Games: Tick Tock, Radar, Othello, others Type attack, Temple of Apshai, Ricochet Winning Deal Zork Programming... C (unknown...just says "C" on label) Lattice C MASM Modula 2 MVP Forth (on misc games floppy) Pro Fortran from Prospero Pro For 1 (possibly same as above) Pro Pascal from Prospero Borland Turbo Pascal 2.0 ISV Development (from HP) ISV revision A.1.2 (Independent Software Vendor toolkit from HP?) Programmers Toolkit (HP) Programmers tools: debug, sort, find, edlin, ece2bin, ...more... (HP) Database: ??? Mirager Version ii 2.A.1 Datasoft International Mirage Library Mirage I //
[cctalk] Re: "Revival" of a dedicated Micropolis webpage on internet
You all need to make sure you archive a copy of this site. Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 12:43 AM, P Gebhardt via cctalk wrote: Hello list, by coincidence, I came across this website: https://www.micropolis.com/ It seems to have been set up by a former employee of Micropolis with information about Micropolis products done until the late 90s. Cheers, Pierre - http://www.digitalheritage.de
[cctalk] Re: Posts Blocked
I watched it... thanks for link! Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 11:36 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Ali via cctalk wrote: > Hello All, > Since the new hosting has taken over I am having a ton of issues posting to > the list. Anyone else experiencing legit posts being blocked as spam? I generally have no problems at all with the list. BUT, yesterday, when I posted about "Hyperland" (BBS ephemera thread), it didn't go through (silently, with no bounce message), and I had to send it again. First time that that has ever happened to me on this list. My apologies to anybody who got it twice. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
[cctalk] Re: BBS memorabilia (fwd)
Ok I know what I am watching tonight! Thanks! Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 5:22 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: The greatest ever video about pre-WWW internet was "Hyperland". a 1991 BBC documentary by Douglas Adams and Ted Nelson, and also starring Tom Baker. A few years BEFORE WWW, it predicted the future of the internet. https://archive.org/details/DouglasAdams-Hyperland If you want subtitles/captions, 5 years ago, I created an .SRT (camptions file of it! https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4hCJm9ZEADCblVSVlBxdmZyREU/view?usp=drive_web (400MB video with subtitles burned in) .SRT file: http://www.xenosoft.com/HyperlandCAPS_En_US_0_77.srt
[cctalk] Re: Heath h-100 h-200 computer added to SMECC with discs books etc anyone else running one like this? Ours is version with built in keyboard builtin dual floppies 8085 plus 8888 and monitor i
Wow great! Location??? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 11:21 AM, Robert Ollerton wrote: I've got a H89 I could cut loose On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 4:40 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Heath h-100 h-200 computer added to SMECC with discs books etc anyone else running one like this? Ours is version with built in keyboard builtin dual floppies 8085 plus and monitor is separate unit sitting on top...Ed# P.S. We never got the H89 that was headed our way some guy absconded with it I guess... alas so once we get that think we have THE SET except for the analog computers that Heath Produced ( still looking??? Help???)
Heath h-100 h-200 computer added to SMECC with discs books etc anyone else running one like this? Ours is version with built in keyboard builtin dual floppies 8085 plus 8888 and monitor is separate un
Heath h-100 h-200 computer added to SMECC with discs books etc anyone else running one like this? Ours is version with built in keyboard builtin dual floppies 8085 plus and monitor is separate unit sitting on top...Ed# P.S. We never got the H89 that was headed our way some guy absconded with it I guess... alas so once we get that think we have THE SET except for the analog computers that Heath Produced ( still looking??? Help???)
Re: List migration
20 years... congrats Jay! Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 6:55 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > The new hosting is provided by the Chicago Classic Computing group. > > Many thanks to Jay West for hosting the lists for 20 years! Thanks, Jay, CCC and Dennis! -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. -- Albert Camus --
Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
THAT IS NEAR RAGE OF DATES I THINK OF NOOK NO PROMISES BUT WILL SEE IF I CAN FOND WHERE I STASHED THE BOOK! ED# In a message dated 7/11/2022 12:42:03 AM US Mountain Standard Time, mjd.bis...@emeritus-solutions.com writes: The Facit 4060 appears to be from the 1968 - 1969 period The Trend UTR 700 from ~1980, based on IC date codes Martin -Original Message- From: ED SHARPE via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: 11 July 2022 08:02 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: ED SHARPE Subject: Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch SOMEWHERE I HAVE THIS AMAZING FACIT PUNCH AN READER CATALOG BOOK THING,,, TONS OF UNITS BEAUTY PHOTOS WHAT IS THE DATE ON THE UNITS YOU SEEK INFO ON?? THANKS ED# In a message dated 7/10/2022 11:32:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Google turns up very little specific information on either of these devices, e.g. nil return from bit savers. The best leads I have are:- The UTR 700 was badge engineered by Ferranti into FM1600B systems, one of which fetched up at the Centre for Computer History, Cambridge, England; perhaps with documentation. Also, as it was used in government systems some maintenance documentation may have fetched up in the PRO, at Kew.- Some Facit 4060 documentation, for the 4060, its 4061 & 4063 chums and the 5106 interface, look to be lodged in Box 52 of the ICL Collection at the Science Museum Library. The UTR 700 reader looks to be parallel interfaced, 10 single ended outputs from an interface card. The jokes start with manufacturer codes, rather than OEM part numbers on the 14 pin DIL ICs. However, a little scope work should identify tape out, data 0..7 and strobe lines. More interesting questions are lubrication and capacitor replacement - where a schematic would be a great assistance in deciding how to proceed. etc etc The Facit 4060 punch contains no more than the electro-mechanical mechanism : AC drive motor, solenoids and rotary position sensors. The 4070 documentation (on BitSavers) may read across, in terms of sensor characteristics, solenoid operating voltages and snubbing needs, or it may not. That reconstructing the schematic would be straightforward simply identifies how much is missing, and the difficulty of specifying it in the abscence of documentation. A classic tape punch interface from data latch and ready, through position sensing, solenoid drivers and done logic is required, together with auxiliary indications, e.g. tape out. etc etc Any information, wisdom, documentation or pointers to sources would be very much appreciated. To state the obvious, I was passed these devices by Philip Belben Martin
Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
https://gesrepair.com/products/4070-facit-tape-punch/ YIKES EXPENSIVE TO FIX In a message dated 7/10/2022 11:32:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: UTR 700
Re: Information on Trend UTR 700 Paper Tape Reader and Facit 4060 Punch
SOMEWHERE I HAVE THIS AMAZING FACIT PUNCH AN READER CATALOG BOOK THING,,, TONS OF UNITS BEAUTY PHOTOS WHAT IS THE DATE ON THE UNITS YOU SEEK INFO ON?? THANKS ED# In a message dated 7/10/2022 11:32:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Google turns up very little specific information on either of these devices, e.g. nil return from bit savers. The best leads I have are:- The UTR 700 was badge engineered by Ferranti into FM1600B systems, one of which fetched up at the Centre for Computer History, Cambridge, England; perhaps with documentation. Also, as it was used in government systems some maintenance documentation may have fetched up in the PRO, at Kew.- Some Facit 4060 documentation, for the 4060, its 4061 & 4063 chums and the 5106 interface, look to be lodged in Box 52 of the ICL Collection at the Science Museum Library. The UTR 700 reader looks to be parallel interfaced, 10 single ended outputs from an interface card. The jokes start with manufacturer codes, rather than OEM part numbers on the 14 pin DIL ICs. However, a little scope work should identify tape out, data 0..7 and strobe lines. More interesting questions are lubrication and capacitor replacement - where a schematic would be a great assistance in deciding how to proceed. etc etc The Facit 4060 punch contains no more than the electro-mechanical mechanism : AC drive motor, solenoids and rotary position sensors. The 4070 documentation (on BitSavers) may read across, in terms of sensor characteristics, solenoid operating voltages and snubbing needs, or it may not. That reconstructing the schematic would be straightforward simply identifies how much is missing, and the difficulty of specifying it in the abscence of documentation. A classic tape punch interface from data latch and ready, through position sensing, solenoid drivers and done logic is required, together with auxiliary indications, e.g. tape out. etc etc Any information, wisdom, documentation or pointers to sources would be very much appreciated. To state the obvious, I was passed these devices by Philip Belben Martin
Re: Who/what is Molecular Electronics Branch Electronic Technology Division
YEP THAT IS PART OF TE PICTURE THX ED# In a message dated 5/12/2022 3:22:23 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/2018/11/102740473-05-01-acc.pdf ?? On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:08 AM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > Were did you find that reference. Gavin? > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:02 PM, Gavin Scott wrote: >Perhaps: "Molecular Electronics Branch, Electronic Technology > Division, Air Force Avionics Laboratory, Wright-Patterson Air Force > Base, Ohio." > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:31 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Who/what is Molecular Electronics Branch Electronic Technology Division > > thanks Ed# > > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android > -- -Jon +44 7792 149029
Re: Who/what is Molecular Electronics Branch Electronic Technology Division
Were did you find that reference. Gavin? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:02 PM, Gavin Scott wrote: Perhaps: "Molecular Electronics Branch, Electronic Technology Division, Air Force Avionics Laboratory, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio." On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 5:31 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > Who/what is Molecular Electronics Branch Electronic Technology Division > thanks Ed# > > Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
Who/what is Molecular Electronics Branch Electronic Technology Division
Who/what is Molecular Electronics Branch Electronic Technology Division thanks Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
Re: IMSAI SIO2 cable part number
probably others out there that can use some of these cables too... sad but true I wish I had bought up all the loose IMSAI parts Micro-age redistribution had way back then in the early 1980s they had parts and pieces of leftovers and half disassembled IMSAI atuff stuff their techs screwed up! Ed# In a message dated 4/18/2022 10:45:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cct...@classiccmp.org writes: Bill, Let me know right quick if you'll be at VCF East and I'll make you a pair, I have both kinds of IDC ends. I'm heading out first thing tomorrow morning though as I have work in the northeast before VCF East. Thanks,Jonathan --- Original Message ---On Monday, April 18th, 2022 at 15:03, Bill Degnan via cctech wrote: >>> Hi all...> What is the cable partnumber for the IMSAI SIO2? I need to order a> set of cables. I thought in all of my boxes and boxes of cables I> might have one...but nope.>> Here is a picture:>> https://deramp.com/downloads/mfe_archive/010-S100 Computers and Boards/00-Imsai/10-Imsai S100 Boards/Imsai SIO-2 dual serial IO/SIO with cables.JPG>> Thanks in advance.>> BIll
NEW CONTRIBUTION TO US CALL-A-COMPUTEER BIG 3 INCH 3 RING AS NEW TIMESHARE MANUAL
NEW CONTRIBUTION TO US "CALL-A-COMPUTER" PILLSBURY TIMESHARE... WHAT SYSTEM WAS THIS RUN ON ? IT IS A BIG 3 INCH 3 RING AS NEW TIMESHARE MANUAL. THANKS ED# SMECC MUSEUM
Re: restoring a Silent 700 Model 765
incoming UPI or outgoing yea remember source was big NY times database as one selling features and these may hive been UPI stories from that or?? maybe not!!! Be interesting to see! Ed# In a message dated 3/19/2022 10:40:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > I understand many Bubble memoryTi's were used by press. Does anyone have > adverts or articles on this? Need some backup material for our tools of the > journalist section weave one of the units to put in the display I'm not sure if the prior owner was a writer or just an interested subscriber, but there are United Press International transcripts here. On one of them (s)he compares what was entered into the bubble memory with what actually got transmitted. Couldn't say much more about it though from these. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Perl: the only language that makes Welsh look acceptable. -- David Cantrell
Re: restoring a Silent 700 Model 765
I understand many Bubble memoryTi's were used by press. Does anyone have adverts or articles on this? Need some backup material for our tools of the journalist section weave one of the units to put in the displayThanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 4:09 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: I found my old Model 745 in storage and other than needing a print head clean and adjusting the printer contrast, it works splendidly. It has the manual and I've got some plugs to build it an RS-232 connector when I find some more round tuits. This whetted my appetite for other 700s, including the (in)famous bubble memory 763/765. I was able to land a set of 765 ASRs. One of them came with Telenet transcripts from The Source (various logins from 1978 to 1980), which was really cool reading. I'll scan these. However, neither of them work. Both power on, but they immediately go into COMMAND mode and sit there, which appears to be abnormal behaviour based on what I'm reading in the service manual (thanks, Bitsavers!). The NUM LOCK switch works and the paper advance works, but nothing else appears to elicit a response. One of them advances the page and acts like it's printing the command prompt, but the other one doesn't even do that. The service manual suggests I need to replace both the TMS 9980 and 8080 boards, which would really suck. I'm hopeful that the one that's "more active" has a working 9980 board and I can use the 8080 board from the other one. (I haven't even gotten to the bubble memory yet.) Anyone repaired these units or have an idea of a repair strategy other than replace damn near everything? TELENET 303 8A TERMINAL= @C 301 24 301 24 CONNECTED DIALCOM NETWORK SYSTEM 10 -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- da Vinci -
Re: Found! Ge 115 computer brochure
A person that had this ge computer would know. Anyway this listserv still rejects images still ? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 8:31 AM, Adrian Stoness wrote: Upload a scan would help On Sat., Mar. 12, 2022, 12:26 a.m. ED SHARPE via cctalk, wrote: Found! Ge 115 computer brochure where can I find the computer? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
Found! Ge 115 computer brochure
Found! Ge 115 computer brochure where can I find the computer? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
Found SYSTEM DOCUMENTATION FOR ALUMINUM COMPANY OF AMERICA WARRICK WORKS DATANET -30 REALTIME DATA ACCUMULATOR AND DISTRIBUTOR ... AUG 7 1964
SYSTEM DOCUMENTATION FOR ALUMINUM COMPANY OF AMERICA WARRICK WORKS DATANET -30 REALTIME DATA ACCUMULATOR AND DISTRIBUTOR ... AUG 7 1964 Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
Re: Speaking of tubes in computers.... 1st Honeywell 1000 computer used some surprise tubes!
The H-800 was pretty modern compared to the 1000! I marvel at all of them! Ed# In a message dated 2/22/2022 11:27:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time, p...@regressive.org writes: There's a mention of the Datamatic 1000 in Hugh Blair-Smith's "Left Brains for the Right Stuff" (on the development of the Apollo Guidance Computer software), and gives an account that the B D-1000 got flooded when a rooftop water tank burst, and hot tubes met cold water. Early work on the AGC was hosted on the D-1000 descendent, the Honeywell 800 series (replacing an IBM 650). Blair-Smith describes the H-800 as having eight execution contexts (sets of registers).
Speaking of tubes in computers.... 1st Honeywell 1000 computer used some surprise tubes!
Speaking of tubes in computers 1st Honeywell 1000 computer used some surprise tubes! Imagine our surprise back then as we unpacked our first group of contributed Honeywell 1000 logic and saw LOCTAL TUBES! Although SMECC does not have a complete Honeywell system of this model (CPU and PS would weigh in at 25,000 pounds we have been told) We DO possess a wonderful collection of documentation, parts and misc. material related to it, perhaps one of the best. Who else has some? We used to think our 2 inch QUAD videotape was a monster reel of tape...BUT WAIT!The First Honeywell Computer used 3 Inch Wide Tape! It was like mounting a Volkswagen Tire Wheel onto your computer tape drive! Channels or tracks on the tape... 31 Channels ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE RELATED TO THIS COMPUTER! See more info on this computer at: http://www.smecc.org/honeywell_datamatic_1000.htm drop me a note at couryho...@aol.com
Re: Retro Chip Tester Pro, done!
does it test 4004 and 8008 In a message dated 2/7/2022 6:32:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: You may recall that, a few weeks ago, I requested parts help (shoppingbaskets) for the Retro Chip Tester Pro that I got for Christmas. Well, today's mailbrought the last few parts and I have finished and tested it. Wow! The only thing that itdoesn't do is slice bread. It's great. I've put up a few pictures here: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/RCTPro/ I got the 4008 and 1702 adapters with it, but I'm pretty sure that I willget the rest over the next month or so. This is the latest HW version with the latest releasesoftware. Bill S. PS: Thanks to everyone that helped with parts. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Looking for CONAR CCTV TV camera CONAR WERE KITS FROM NATIONAL RADIO COMPANY
Looking for CONAR CCTV TV camera CONAR WERE KITS FROM NATIONAL RADIO COMPANY want books parts assembled units whole units broken units-- I lust for one in the box un-assembled too! anything anything anything related toi this camera collecting up stories and folklore from others that may have built one, owned one or even just lusted for one!reply using the following SMECC CONAR TV CAMERA HISTORY PROJECT as email reply title and send to couryhouse@aol.comdrop me a line off list with first word CONAR in subj. line thxThanks in advance and stay wellEd Sharpe Archivist for SMECC
Re: 11/785 on ebay (2018) - was Re: VAX 780 on eBay
Ah yes! And I am in Arizona too.. Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 2:12 PM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: On 2022-01-02 16:03, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > On 2022-01-02 2:48 p.m., Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: >> > From: Jonathan Chapman >> >> > Last one that went auction-style on eBay went for $1,178.00 >> >> When was that? >> >> Do you have any details of the machine's config? >> >> That's a pretty good deal for a 780 (IMO). > > Someone I know won a '785, Feb 10, 2018, but it went for $1,000 (they > bid $1,178.50). I didn't bid on it, it was too far, now I'm on the east coast, and there is one in Arizona :(
Re: HP 1000 A900 ("Magic") Questions
SMECC NEEDS TO BEG BUY OR TRADE FOR SCSSI HP TAPE REEL TO REEL DRIVES HELP? ED# In a message dated 12/19/2021 12:46:49 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Are you still in need of any HP1000 RTE equipment? I have a lot of boards, chassis’, tape drives, etc. If not and if you know of someone who would be interested in this equipment please let me know…Kind Regards…Joe Sent from my iPhone
Re: What is this massive binder of computer minutes1955 to 1964. I did cel phone or of text below we have
There is eeting one thru 80 something plus other study reports. Page one of minutes 1 has bad spots so I ocr the header off meeting 2 Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 2:14 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: May be some errors In ocr..The Second Meeting of the Committee to Study Developments in Electronic Computing Machines and Their Application, September 22, 1955 The second meeting of the Committee was held on Sept ember 22, 1955, at 2 P.M. in the Board room at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics.Messrs. J.T. Marshall (Chairman);B.G. Ballard; H. Freedman; C.J. Gardner; R.W. James ; N. Keyfitz; J.A. Kidd; E.0. Landry; C. Scott; and R. Ziola (Secretary ) Present were: The Chairman pointed out that minutesof the first meeting of this Committee had been distribut ed to all membersand called for comments and correctionsS. were adopted 8s presented The minut es The Chairman referred to the Treasury Board letter T.B.486770 which gave approval to the setting up of this Committee and expressed appreciation to Messrs. E.0. Landry and D.. atters for their assistance in connection with the Committee's submission e rea.suryboard. During the sumer months officials representing three manufacturers of electronic eqipment met with members of the Commit tee to discuss some aspects of the equipment afactured. These included: 2. orfieials from Burroughs who explained the operating princ iples of the B.101 at a meeting held at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics on June 22, 1955. 2. Officials of .C.A. who explained the operating principles of BIZMAC at a eeting beld at the Jackson Building on July 7, 1955. S.0fficials from IEM ho presented a short movie on "Direct line to decisions ", dealing with the type 650 and 700 series of machinesat a meeting held at the C.h.?. Hess on August 12, 1955. n referring to letters received since the first meeting,the Chairman pointed u that since they dealt with same of the topics includedon the agenda it might be CaairabLeto considerthen when the se topics were under discus sion. Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
What is this massive binder of computer minutes1955 to 1964. I did cel phone or of text below we have
May be some errors In ocr..The Second Meeting of the Committee to Study Developments in Electronic Computing Machines and Their Application, September 22, 1955 The second meeting of the Committee was held on Sept ember 22, 1955, at 2 P.M. in the Board room at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics.Messrs. J.T. Marshall (Chairman);B.G. Ballard; H. Freedman; C.J. Gardner; R.W. James ; N. Keyfitz; J.A. Kidd; E.0. Landry; C. Scott; and R. Ziola (Secretary ) Present were: The Chairman pointed out that minutesof the first meeting of this Committee had been distribut ed to all membersand called for comments and correctionsS. were adopted 8s presented The minut es The Chairman referred to the Treasury Board letter T.B.486770 which gave approval to the setting up of this Committee and expressed appreciation to Messrs. E.0. Landry and D.. atters for their assistance in connection with the Committee's submission e rea.suryboard. During the sumer months officials representing three manufacturers of electronic eqipment met with members of the Commit tee to discuss some aspects of the equipment afactured. These included: 2. orfieials from Burroughs who explained the operating princ iples of the B.101 at a meeting held at the Dominion Bureau of Statistics on June 22, 1955. 2. Officials of .C.A. who explained the operating principles of BIZMAC at a eeting beld at the Jackson Building on July 7, 1955. S.0fficials from IEM ho presented a short movie on "Direct line to decisions ", dealing with the type 650 and 700 series of machinesat a meeting held at the C.h.?. Hess on August 12, 1955. n referring to letters received since the first meeting,the Chairman pointed u that since they dealt with same of the topics includedon the agenda it might be CaairabLeto considerthen when the se topics were under discus sion. Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
Re: Wanted : HP-150 AND...IBM PC and hp150 compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards
I would also need card for PC also as well as the needed cRds for HP-150.NOW IF THE HP HAD REGULAR NETWORK STYLE CARDS that I could use In 150 that would be great... I just do not remember if they were available. Thx. Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 3:17 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Ok hearing all this it makes me want to make HP-150 and a IBM-PC talk together! Does anyone remmber if hp-150 had regular like we yse today network cards or... if they only had ARCNET cards? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 2:59 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: Mike, I have some Pure Data PDI508+ ARCnet cards kicking around. I used them to develop the repair board for the funky DS1292 "Eliminator" (nonvolatile, battery-backed *shift* *register*) that they use. All, If you should happen to have Pure Data PDI508+ cards, we have rebuilds for the Dallas DS1292 they use -- the rebuilds aren't online yet as we haven't bothered to put them into production (this and some versions of the AST RAMpAT! use them). Thanks, Jonathan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, December 12th, 2021 at 13:06, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 12/12/21 3:05 AM, devin davison via cctalk wrote: > > > Greetings, > > Hi Devin, > > > I had quite a few arcnet cards laying around a while back, I had picked up > > > > a ton of them from the back storage of a datacenter that was clearing out > > > > surplus equipment. I am uncertain of how many I still have in storage. How > > > > many do you need? > > I'd like to raise my hand as interested in some ARCNET cards. In a > > secondary capacity, after Michael gets his fill. > > > If you are able to wait a couple days, I can check how many I have > > > > remaining in storage, and I can ship them to you once found. > > I can easily wait. I've been occasionally looking for ARCNET cards over > > the years as I'd like to play with ARCNET for edutainment purposes. I > > have no /need/ for them, only a moderate /desire/. > > > -- > > Grant. . . . > > unix || die
Re: Wanted : HP-150 AND...IBM PC and hp150 compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards
Ok hearing all this it makes me want to make HP-150 and a IBM-PC talk together! Does anyone remmber if hp-150 had regular like we yse today network cards or... if they only had ARCNET cards? Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 2:59 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: Mike, I have some Pure Data PDI508+ ARCnet cards kicking around. I used them to develop the repair board for the funky DS1292 "Eliminator" (nonvolatile, battery-backed *shift* *register*) that they use. All, If you should happen to have Pure Data PDI508+ cards, we have rebuilds for the Dallas DS1292 they use -- the rebuilds aren't online yet as we haven't bothered to put them into production (this and some versions of the AST RAMpAT! use them). Thanks, Jonathan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, December 12th, 2021 at 13:06, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > On 12/12/21 3:05 AM, devin davison via cctalk wrote: > > > Greetings, > > Hi Devin, > > > I had quite a few arcnet cards laying around a while back, I had picked up > > > > a ton of them from the back storage of a datacenter that was clearing out > > > > surplus equipment. I am uncertain of how many I still have in storage. How > > > > many do you need? > > I'd like to raise my hand as interested in some ARCNET cards. In a > > secondary capacity, after Michael gets his fill. > > > If you are able to wait a couple days, I can check how many I have > > > > remaining in storage, and I can ship them to you once found. > > I can easily wait. I've been occasionally looking for ARCNET cards over > > the years as I'd like to play with ARCNET for edutainment purposes. I > > have no /need/ for them, only a moderate /desire/. > > > -- > > Grant. . . . > > unix || die
Re: Wanted: IBM PC compatible 8 or 16 bit Arcnet cards
I remember you could get arcnet for HP 150 also Ed# In a message dated 12/11/2021 9:01:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I'm using debug logs to try to debug flow control issues when using mTCPand a packet driver that presents itself as Ethernet but actually usesARCNET. I've gotten to the point where I just want to have an Arcnet inthe house. Especially since I might just modify mTCP to work with Arcnetpacket drivers and cards directly. Before I get too serious with eBay, does anybody want to rehome some Arcnethardware? -Mike
RE: Women of Computing
Did not see what Liam even said. I tend to skip anything he posts. As what he says do not relate to what I am working on or are corrosive Guess I will have to check out the archive! Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:57 AM, Chris Long via cctalk wrote: The fact I don’t think it is necessary for a Lego set specifically endorsing the role of women in computing is unpleasant or mean spirited? Get a life Liam. I simply expressed my view. Are we really at a state on this list where when someone posts mentioning something, that anyone who expresses any alternative view is behaving unacceptably? Talk about snowflakes. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Liam Proven via cctalk Sent: 05 December 2021 15:17 To: Doc Shipley ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Women of Computing On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 16:09, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote: > > On 12/4/21 12:37, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > > > > OK, Boomer. > > > There's really no call to be nasty about it. > > To those of us who are baby boomers, that usage is extremely offensive. I suspect that was the plan. Chris Long's email was nasty, unpleasant and a mean-spirited and unpleasant thing to say. The fact that they felt the need to say it on a public forum indicates either that they do not care what other people feel, or that they wanted to cause offence. When someone is so insensitive that they do not understand that their words can hurt others, then sometimes, an effective way to show to them that words can be hurtful and that they shouldn't say mean things, is to say something that is hurtful to them. This can illustrate to people who do not normally care about others' feelings that they do not like it when their own feelings are hurt. It is, sadly, a common attribute of a certain age group, especially of old white straight men, to give little regard to others' feelings like this. They typically consider a waste of time any kind of affirmative action that helps, boosts, or engages with people who are not old, white, straight and men. This is a bad way to behave. Nobody should act like that. It violates Wheaton's Law, which is a basic principle of how to be a civilised human being. "OK, Boomer" is just a succinct and clear way of saying "you are an unpleasant old man and we do not need to listen to your useless hurtful opinions." If that sounds like you, then my advice to you is not to complain about it, but to engage with it, and learn how not to be such a person, and then go and teach other such folk how to be better people. If it doesn't sound like you, then you should not be bothered by it. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN
Thank you very much Dave Ave!Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 1:43 PM, David Williams via cctalk wrote: For anyone who is interested, I have scanned and posted the OMSI 2000 FORTRAN manuals to archive.org. Will also post them to my site later. It looks like there are three manuals. The first is missing the front cover and just starts with "Section 1" but seems to be for students who are learning to program in FORTRAN with the system. The second is a guide and answer key for the instructor and the third appears to be for the system operator. There seems to be two different versions of OMSI 2000 FORTRAN, one for TSB B/E and another for TSB C/F which seems to have additional features. David Williams www.trailingedge.com
Re: Getting files from HP 3000l ll business noretapes (was: Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN)
Gavin !Indeed Keven is great at 3000 stuff!I would love to visit him but I do not transport well any more alas.. Simulated series III yes more power efficient than the real series III But we still seek a eal one for display!Ed# In a message dated 11/19/2021 7:17:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, ga...@learn.bio writes: Ed, Maybe you could take a vacation to Oregon and meet up with Keven Miller and get him to convert your tapes to SIMH format for you while you watch and then wipe any intermediate storage to your satisfaction. Or just come up with some sort of non-disclosure agreement that would meet your requirements (bonus points for using a 1980s HP Confidential Disclosure Agreement form (which no manager at HP could ever fill out correctly)). http://www.3kranger.com/3ktapes.shtm And then when you get home you can make a nice virtual simulated Series III and restore whatever you want to play with. Beware of the possibility of delamination and other issues for old 9-track tapes depending on age/manufacturer/storage. Another reason it might be good to get help from someone with experience in reading very old tapes. It would be fun to see the Forum up and running again. Gavin On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:13 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: > > Heh! Now that I have calmed down..I do wish I had kept a separate dump of > just bbs systems. For 2000 and 3000. And the multi user space war game. > Actually the 3000 full volume of everything I ever did or said was > discovered in the garage at home 1 year or maybe more back. > The 800 bpi tapes for 2000 I knew I had somewhere. But onlyvtefound again > last winter and... in reality it was a miracle they were saved. > We haveca Hp 918 that was recently put of service And a hp 37 that I assume > that still bopys boots that were graciously contributed but the big > stumbling block is. TAPEDRIVES! WELL.I HAVE A DDS-3 CART ON 918 BUT NO > WORKEE WITH REEL TAPES @ > I AM GETTING PRETTY. OLD NOW BUT IN THE FEW YEARS I HAVE LEFT WOULD LIKE TO > GET BOTH BBS SYSTEMS BACK OUT THERE > THE 2000 VERSION HAD A REGULAR VERSION. THAT MIGRATED INTO A FANITSY THEMED > VERSION BOTH SHOLD BE ON 800 bpi TAPE(This tape set had hardest storage > conditions > The 3000 version should gave both converted versions of the 2000 bbs's. > Plus The Forum/3000. massive even more and no non nonsense but even more > massave in features and refinement. > Security is totally killer on all.There us no way I would be able to recreate > these systems now due to some brain slowing but if you have not noticed I > do not type well at all.. part coordination part tfu hand and finger > movement( thanks to those who take time to decipher what I type ( I worked > had to make this and previous message readable ) > Anyway seems maybe easiest way is with simulators once we get a 800 1600 > built tape drive on it.. > As always any help ...ideas..hardware appreciated But keep in mind. Transfer > has to take place HERE!Ed Sharpe archivist For SMECC > > > > > >
Smecc hp 2000 enclosed in glass being used as a backdrop for phx business journal cio of the year award. [PDF]Back to the Futuremedia.bizj.us/view/archive/phoenix/pdf/CIOs 2012 Final.pdf
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No. Jay thought answered this missing disk. A. Hp 2883 20meg 10 platter high nice glass top could see heads going in and out. Fun! Also had 2884 slave drive to it. Google hp2000 and smecc for old pix from the 80s. Would not start up machines unless I had spare 2100 processor. System is on a glassed in area with lots of 80s era hppc related things my business. Computer Exchange sold.Ah the 80s! It was the time to be in the biz! Gaint walk in display case but3 very very filled Last I looked there was acn off brand APL LAPTOP THAT USEF A MICRO CASSETTE FOR MASS STORAGE!would have to clean out and get real power and a temp air duct into there Maybe hp 2000emulator and a scssi tape drive? The 3000 tape has converted versions and the final. FORUM/3000 but those will not run on 2000.. And the 2000 I think is the one I get the most request for Ed#Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:31 AM, jwest--- via cctalk wrote: Ed# I thought the only thing preventing you from getting one of your systems up was memory, which I offered to fix. You need a tape drive too? I may have a spare 7970B that needs work but I really need to get down there and do an inventory J
RE: Getting files from HP 3000l ll business noretapes (was: Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN)
Heh! Now that I have calmed down..I do wish I had kept a separate dump of just bbs systems. For 2000 and 3000. And the multi user space war game. Actually the 3000 full volume of everything I ever did or said was discovered in the garage at home 1 year or maybe more back. The 800 bpi tapes for 2000 I knew I had somewhere. But onlyvtefound again last winter and... in reality it was a miracle they were saved. We haveca Hp 918 that was recently put of service And a hp 37 that I assume that still bopys boots that were graciously contributed but the big stumbling block is. TAPEDRIVES! WELL.I HAVE A DDS-3 CART ON 918 BUT NO WORKEE WITH REEL TAPES @ I AM GETTING PRETTY. OLD NOW BUT IN THE FEW YEARS I HAVE LEFT WOULD LIKE TO GET BOTH BBS SYSTEMS BACK OUT THERE THE 2000 VERSION HAD A REGULAR VERSION. THAT MIGRATED INTO A FANITSY THEMED VERSION BOTH SHOLD BE ON 800 bpi TAPE(This tape set had hardest storage conditions The 3000 version should gave both converted versions of the 2000 bbs's. Plus The Forum/3000. massive even more and no non nonsense but even more massave in features and refinement. Security is totally killer on all.There us no way I would be able to recreate these systems now due to some brain slowing but if you have not noticed I do not type well at all.. part coordination part tfu hand and finger movement( thanks to those who take time to decipher what I type ( I worked had to make this and previous message readable ) Anyway seems maybe easiest way is with simulators once we get a 800 1600 built tape drive on it.. As always any help ...ideas..hardware appreciated But keep in mind. Transfer has to take place HERE!Ed Sharpe archivist For SMECC
RE: Getting files from HP 3000l ll business noretapes (was: Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN)
AH NO! JAY! To compare Jay.. it was like if our system was your cell phone your pcs and your business computer contents all in one system. I doubt you would release that into public hands. I used our 2000 and 3000. As my personal. PC Jay! Letters to my family. Notes to myself... poetry articles I wrote for 5. Years for. THE CHRONICLE (HP CENTRIC NEWS PAPER) anything a computer was used for is how I always used our systems. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING! These back ups contain all of all of all! Not just a dump of a bbs and multi user spacecraft games and most of all the fun stuff. Now if you do not understand my wish for personal privacy we need to recalibrate you. (GRIN!) so there you go! Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:43 PM, jw...@classiccmp.org wrote: Ed wrote... It is solved when I have a tape drive at our physical location to restore our tapes to our system buy US. Perhaps in the interest of saving history for everyone else, you could meet in the middle (figuratively) with a less inward-looking mentality? Unless you're fine setting conditions that you're unlikely to meet and then the bits go to the ether..the loss is your fault yet everyone suffers. J
RE: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN
Jay have a tape drive. On the system... missing the disk. Some how we lost the 2883 and 2884 drive during business shutdown in 1993. Currently the 2 Bay system sits under glass with a grouping of other early and 80s era HP PC product line. YEA I WOULD WANT TO HAVE ON HAND AN EXTRA PROCESSER TO FOR SPARES. AGE OLD COMPUTER EXCHANGE METHODOLOGY... NEVR START A PROJECT WITHOUT SPARES ON HAND! Maybe the future is bringing up a fake 2000 in orig form... a PC as well as a 3000. With a scssi... tape drive that thinks it can be a 7970b for 2000 emulation and 7970e for 3000 program emulation. ... and just crank both on and emulator... But. it would be fun to see the 2000 come alive in some form before I croak and turn the keys of the museum to the next gen.Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 6:31 AM, jwest--- via cctalk wrote: David wrote... The manual says it was known as OSMI 2000 FORTRAN and was a "series of programs written in the BASIC language which run short FORTRAN programs" on an HP 2000 BASIC system. Anyone heard of this before? I still have a few hp2000 systems running. I haven't seen the fortran one yet but would be surprised if it wasn't on one of my HIB tapes. But I do remember having this on the HP2K systems I used in high school. There was also a free contributed library COBOL runtime that was the same deal (implemented in BASIC), and there was one in the CSL that also ran HP 2100 assembler. That last one I'd love to find just to pour through the listings Ed# I thought the only thing preventing you from getting one of your systems up was memory, which I offered to fix. You need a tape drive too? I may have a spare 7970B that needs work but I really need to get down there and do an inventory J
RE: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN
Yep if is says omsi fortran you are the lucky holder if a copy of it! Congrats!;Ed# Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:39 PM, Bob brown via cctalk wrote: It looks like I may have the OMNI fortran on "mickey", my publicly accessible hp2000 tsb system emulation. telnet to mickey.publicvm.com ctl-J, ctl-m till you get PLEASE LOG IN HEL-T001,HP2000,1 I see some kind of cobol on the system library which may or may not be the cobol that was being talked about... I do see fortran which does seem to claim to be the OMNI fortran. Since you have the manuals, feel free to play around. If you need permissions changed or if it would be easier if the programs/files were put on a different account, just let me know...I'd be happy to copy/move things around for you. -Bob -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of David Williams via cctalk Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:42 PM To: ED SHARPE ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN On 11/19/2021 11:41 AM, ED SHARPE wrote: > Trying to remembrr how many pages it was? Looking through what I have here I'm finding out this is actually more than one manual. Looks like three so far with each being between about 40-50 pages (single sided photocopies). First part is just labeled "Section One Standard FORTRAN". The next is "OMSI 2000 FORTRAN Answer Key and Instructor's Guide" and the third is "OMSI 2000 FORTRAN Sep 15th, 1973 Manual (Pre-Publication Proof)". Funny that I was just up in Portland last month and visited OMSI... David Williams www.trailingedge.com
Re: Getting files from HP 3000 tapes (was: Re: HP 2000 TSB and FORTRAN)
It is solved when I have a tape drive at our physical location to restore our tapes to our system buy US. Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:27 PM, Stan Sieler wrote: Ed writes: ?If? we? ever? ?get? a? way? to? read? tapes? ? for? the? 2000 and? 3000? Well, we can "read" tapes for the HP 3000, and restore the files from HP 3000 backup tapes ... via Allegro Consultant's "ROSETTA STORE" product (of which I'm the primary author). I'm happy to restore some files for fellow collectors/enthusiasts (as time/energy permits) for free. The problem breaks down into two parts: 1. reading the tape Although Rosetta can read from a physical tape drive, that capability hasn't been tested for a decade (because of loss of hardware). Every user we know of uses Rosetta to restore files from tape images. There are a number of formats of tape images ... quite a number. Rosetta understands many tape image formats, including: AWS / HET STORE-to-disk SIMH Stromasys tape image Tapecopy format (Data Conversion Resources) (Oddly, I think it doesn't understand Allegro's own proprietary tape image format, which records a lot more information than others (e.g., read-retry information).) If you need an HP 3000 'STORE' tape recovered, and it's in a different format, let me know. 2. extracting files from the tape image Rosetta can read Classic HP 3000 STORE tapes (aka "CM STORE") of various versions, and MPE/iX STORE tapes (aka "NM STORE") of various versions (although 'interleave' has been tested only very lightly). By "read" I mean that it extracts the desired files, converts some (with some controls), and creates either a hierarchical directory structure matching the original, or a flattened one. What about IMAGE databases?On some platforms (Linux, HP-UX, Windows (?)), IMAGE databases can be converted to Eloquence databases (Eloquence is a product of Marxmeier software).On all platforms, IMAGE databases can be converted to .csv or .xml files. It can also handle SLT tapes, and provide some information on a few other kinds of tapes one might see from an HP 3000 (e.g., dump tapes, Serial Disc images), SPOOK tapes. Rosetta runs on Mac, Linux, HP-UX, and Windows. The HP-UX version can read older versions of ORBiT's Online Backup tapes (before they changed the tape record header format) TL;DR Ed: for the 3000, it's essentially a solved problem, and has been for over 20 years! Note: I also have a utility to restore files from (older?) Burroughs mainframe (e.g., B6700) backup tapes.