[cctalk] Re: ANITA ((was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-05-27 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk

On Sat, 25 May 2024, Rick Bensene wrote:
..and anyone who has restored one knows that the vast majority of the 
back-to-back selenium diode packages have to be replaced with something 
else as they no longer function properly.  Ambient moisture kills 
Selenium as a semiconductor, and even though these devices were packaged 
to avoid that to some degree, after 60 years, stuff happens.


We had replaced (or better, bypassed) several of the rectifiers with 
1N4007. But most of them are still ok in our machines. I guess we have 
about five Mk8 here, some are in quite bad shape.
The biggest problems within the Anita is caused by the high-value carbon 
resistors. Especially the 20 megohms go bad/high(er) resistance, so the 
thyratrons (cold-cathode relay tubes) don't ignite reliably.


Interesting to note that many ANITA Mk8 machines have a single 
transistor in them.  It's in the power supply.  The designers were


No, it is not in the power supply. The transistor is used to invert and 
drive a control signal (called HIGHWAY OUT in the schematics), going to 
the cathodes of the individual register state drivers (the ECC 81 at the 
back of the machine). All Mk8 should have this transistor. I guess that 
the designers discovered some issues and needed a quick and simple fix.


comfortable enough using these relatively fussy gas-discharge logic 
devices as digital devices(they had developed machines like Colossus


They are designed as digital devices, hence called cold-cathode relay 
tubes. All thyratrons act digitally, there is only an on and an off state, 
both very distinct.


Christian


[cctalk] Re: ANITA ((was: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-05-24 Thread Rick Bensene via cctalk




Christian Corti wrote:

> The Anita electronic desktop calculators are a perfect example for the usage 
> of 
> selenium rectifiers in logic gates.

..and anyone who has restored one knows that the vast majority of the 
back-to-back selenium  diode packages have to be replaced with something else 
as they no longer function properly.  Ambient moisture kills Selenium as a 
semiconductor, and even though these devices were packaged to avoid that to 
some degree, after 60 years, stuff happens.

Many restorers resort to de-soldering the dual-diode packages from the circuit 
boards, hollowing out the package (removing the Selenium rectifiers and the 
potting material used) and installing back-to-back conventional Silicon diodes 
that are rated for the appropriate voltages involved in these machines, potting 
the diodes in place with some kind of material (epoxy?), and re-soldering the 
package to the circuit board.  These calculators used gas-discharge active 
logic elements (e.g., thyratrons and dekatrons) and used (relatively speaking) 
high voltages for their logic levels.  Fortunately, these gas-discharge devices 
seem to fare quite well with time, and though some do fail due to atomic-level 
outgassing or simple breakage, the majority of them work just as well the day 
the machine came off the assembly line.

Such practice with the Selenium rectifier modules makes the calculator look 
original if done carefully, and allows it to function when operation was 
impossible with the original devices.   It is an extremely tedious and 
time-consuming process, as there are a great many of these devices used in the 
first-generation Sumlock/ANITA calculators.  

I applaud anyone with the courage and patience to perform such surgery on these 
unusual artifacts. Fortunately, the circuit boards are quite robustly made, and 
the traces are large and well adhered to the base material of the circuit board 
(unlike many later calculators), making such an operation feasible. 

I am not brave enough to try this with the museum's ANITA Mk8.  After 25+ years 
of owning this artifact, I have not even tried to apply power to it in any 
fashion, and probably never will.  It is one of the very few calculators in the 
museum that is probably not in operational condition, as I strive for all of 
the exhibited machines to be operable and available for visitors to the 
physical museum to play with if they desire.  I'm content to leave it as it is 
for a display machine, as it is in very nice original condition.

Interesting to note that many ANITA Mk8 machines have a single transistor in 
them.  It's in the power supply.   The designers were comfortable enough using 
these relatively fussy gas-discharge logic devices as digital devices(they had 
developed machines like Colossus using this technology considerably before 
transistors were a thing, so there was certainly historical precedent), but the 
transistor was just fine for an analog purpose in the power supply.   

Boy, did they ever get it backwards (in terms of the longevity of gas-discharge 
logic elements in electronic calculators and what became the ubiquitous use to 
transistors)!  

Not intended at all to slight the accomplishment of Sumlock Comptometer in the 
development of these calculators.   They set the stage for the explosion of 
what was to become a many hundreds of million dollar market by the end of the 
decade, not to mention setting the electronic calculator up to be the driving 
force behind integrated circuit development for a consumer-oriented device.   

ICs before their development for use in calculators were only for big mainframe 
computers, military weapons systems, the spooks at places like the NSA, and the 
space program.  For that matter, the ANITA Mk7/8  could be said to be the 
progenitors for the development of the CPU on a chip, and by extension, the 
personal computer.   

Notice I didn't specify any machine, or say "first".  Slippery slope there.

Rick Bensene
The Old Calculator Museum
https://oldcalculatormuseum.com