Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
There are still HP3000 systems being used in business critical functions, 12(?) years after the HP end-of-life date (no manufacturing or support) for the product line. (From a business continuity perspective that's insane.) Hardware support is not based on new manufacturer parts with warranty, but cannibalization from existing systems. And in that phase of the life cycle cannibalization leads to to fewer and fewer sources of parts, and increased prices. Until the point where the market has moved off of the hardware, for example onto Windows or emulation, and the commercial market collapses. Lee Courtney On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 5:52 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Apr 15, 2022, at 6:49 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > We occasionally hear of aged computers being employed in the nuclear > > power industry, certain military applications or long lifed medical > > equipment for example. I imagine that these machines can have a > > significant commercial value long after their contemporaries which are > > not involved in these roles. > > An example: in the past year, a CDC mainframe (the last generation of what > started with the 6600 in 1964) was taken out of service at Vandenberg SFB. > And actually, the architecture is still in use, but the replacement is an > emulator rather than a "real" machine. > > paul > > > -- Lee Courtney +1-650-704-3934 cell
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
> On Apr 15, 2022, at 6:49 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk > wrote: > > We occasionally hear of aged computers being employed in the nuclear > power industry, certain military applications or long lifed medical > equipment for example. I imagine that these machines can have a > significant commercial value long after their contemporaries which are > not involved in these roles. An example: in the past year, a CDC mainframe (the last generation of what started with the 6600 in 1964) was taken out of service at Vandenberg SFB. And actually, the architecture is still in use, but the replacement is an emulator rather than a "real" machine. paul
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
We occasionally hear of aged computers being employed in the nuclear power industry, certain military applications or long lifed medical equipment for example. I imagine that these machines can have a significant commercial value long after their contemporaries which are not involved in these roles. As far as I know, the Alphaserver 2100 was not commonly used for this sort of work and this is why I mentioned that I thought it was unlikely to have any commercial value. If the opposite was true, it would probably have a bearing on the current day value of the machine and the price may have been outside of the reach of any of us. So we are probably left with what a hobbyist / enthusiast / collector or scrap dealer will pay for one, which as I said I believe will vary widely (certainly for the former anyway). If you want to know what a scrap dealer will pay for one, you are probably asking the wrong people although certain people on this list did occasionally comment on the price of scrap. I haven't noticed any discussion along these lines for a long time now though. They may have become tired of repeating more or less what I am saying here. The fact that the thing is big, heavy and relatively difficult to ship is likely to further reduce the achievable price as more interested parties are less likely to be located nearby. If it's sitting in a recyclers with a $100 price tag and not moving, the answer to the original question is probably "less that $100", however, this information was not provided with the original question. Somebody some distance away might be willing to spring for more than $100 for it but may find the cost and effort of getting it shipped to be prohibitive. My Alphaserver 2100 is probably worth nothing. I am pretty certain it is not located close to anyone else who would be interested in it. If I wanted to get rid of it, I would probably have to pay someone to take it away or bring it to the recycling depot myself and cross my fingers that it would be accepted as domestic electronic equipment. On the other hand, if someone approached me looking to buy it from me, they would probably have to put at least four or maybe five figures in front of the decimal point before I would be motivated enough to think about letting it go. That's pretty widely varying. Sorry if it seems unhelpful but I find questions about the value of items that there is only a tiny market for to be pretty much impossible to answer. Regards, Peter Coghlan. Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: I wouldn't expect commercial value to come into the discussion on this list. I am wondering what other hobbyists pay in order to gauge whether the price that a local recycler is asking for one (which was around $100) is fair. On 4/15/22 3:30 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it and this will vary widely. I got one for EUR 20 in 2006. I didn't think this was a bargain because I was under the impression I was getting it for free before I travelled to pick it up. The previous owner had no further use for it and needed the space it was taking up. I think it's a nice machine although an Alphaserver 2100A would be nicer. It looks and sounds like a real computer except the front panel is a bit pathetic. It is great for heating the room in winter. However, it doesn't seem to have any commercial value. Regards, Peter Coghlan. What is an AlphaServer 2100 worth? There was one at RePC in Seattle a couple weeks ago and I was thinking about purchasing it. On 4/14/22 2:36 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 12/04/2022 16:34, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: Folks, Does no one fancy a go at this. Had zero interest... Dave (OFFLIST, I think) I'm assuming the machine is safe, at least for the moment? I've actually got less room now than when I had to let it go, so hopefully it can just sit in a corner and be a useful table end or something for a while? I'm currently struggling with a uVAX 3600 PSu and a VAX 4000 PSU, so if I ever fix those, maybe I can help with the AS2100 ... Antonio
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On 4/15/22 12:46 PM, Malte Dehling wrote:
On Fri 15. Apr 2022 at 11:43, Alan Perry via cctalk
wrote:
On 4/15/22 9:53 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Alan
Perry via
>> cctalk
>> Sent: 15 April 2022 16:00
>> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
>> Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
>>
>> I wouldn't expect commercial value to come into the discussion
on this list. I
>> am wondering what other hobbyists pay in order to gauge whether
the price
>> that a local recycler is asking for one (which was around
>> $100) is fair.
> If its working and boots up I would say that is very reasonable.
>
Oh, don't say that. My garage is filling up with sun3 desksides and
drive pedestals :)
The note on it says that it doesn't boot, but they had the same
note on
the Axil 320 (SS20 clone) that I got from them and it booted up fine
once I put a HDD in it.
Unrelated to the current discussion, but since you mention your Axil
320: do you have a way of reading the OBP PROM for that? I have been
looking for that!
I don't personally, but I am sure that I know someone locally who does.
Send me e-mail - al...@snowmoose.com.
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On Fri 15. Apr 2022 at 11:43, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > > On 4/15/22 9:53 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: cctalk On Behalf Of Alan Perry > via > >> cctalk > >> Sent: 15 April 2022 16:00 > >> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > >> Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available > >> > >> I wouldn't expect commercial value to come into the discussion on this > list. I > >> am wondering what other hobbyists pay in order to gauge whether the > price > >> that a local recycler is asking for one (which was around > >> $100) is fair. > > If its working and boots up I would say that is very reasonable. > > > Oh, don't say that. My garage is filling up with sun3 desksides and > drive pedestals :) > > The note on it says that it doesn't boot, but they had the same note on > the Axil 320 (SS20 clone) that I got from them and it booted up fine > once I put a HDD in it. Unrelated to the current discussion, but since you mention your Axil 320: do you have a way of reading the OBP PROM for that? I have been looking for that! Cheers, Malte >
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On 4/15/22 12:43 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: The note on it says that it doesn't boot, but they had the same note on the Axil 320 (SS20 clone) that I got from them and it booted up fine once I put a HDD in it. There's posting and then there's booting into an OS. The former is most important. The latter is highly dependent on a working disk drive /and/ non-corrupted OS. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On 4/15/22 9:53 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Alan Perry via cctalk Sent: 15 April 2022 16:00 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available I wouldn't expect commercial value to come into the discussion on this list. I am wondering what other hobbyists pay in order to gauge whether the price that a local recycler is asking for one (which was around $100) is fair. If its working and boots up I would say that is very reasonable. Oh, don't say that. My garage is filling up with sun3 desksides and drive pedestals :) The note on it says that it doesn't boot, but they had the same note on the Axil 320 (SS20 clone) that I got from them and it booted up fine once I put a HDD in it.
RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Alan Perry via > cctalk > Sent: 15 April 2022 16:00 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available > > I wouldn't expect commercial value to come into the discussion on this list. I > am wondering what other hobbyists pay in order to gauge whether the price > that a local recycler is asking for one (which was around > $100) is fair. If its working and boots up I would say that is very reasonable. Dave
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
I wouldn't expect commercial value to come into the discussion on this list. I am wondering what other hobbyists pay in order to gauge whether the price that a local recycler is asking for one (which was around $100) is fair. On 4/15/22 3:30 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it and this will vary widely. I got one for EUR 20 in 2006. I didn't think this was a bargain because I was under the impression I was getting it for free before I travelled to pick it up. The previous owner had no further use for it and needed the space it was taking up. I think it's a nice machine although an Alphaserver 2100A would be nicer. It looks and sounds like a real computer except the front panel is a bit pathetic. It is great for heating the room in winter. However, it doesn't seem to have any commercial value. Regards, Peter Coghlan. What is an AlphaServer 2100 worth? There was one at RePC in Seattle a couple weeks ago and I was thinking about purchasing it. On 4/14/22 2:36 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 12/04/2022 16:34, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: Folks, Does no one fancy a go at this. Had zero interest... Dave (OFFLIST, I think) I'm assuming the machine is safe, at least for the moment? I've actually got less room now than when I had to let it go, so hopefully it can just sit in a corner and be a useful table end or something for a while? I'm currently struggling with a uVAX 3600 PSu and a VAX 4000 PSU, so if I ever fix those, maybe I can help with the AS2100 ... Antonio
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On 4/15/22 4:30 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: However, it doesn't seem to have any commercial value. I suspect that the recent VAX Hobbyist License Program's expiration will be a shot in the arm for older Alpha systems value as some people migrate to Alpha to legally run OpenVMS as a hobbyist. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it and this will vary widely. I got one for EUR 20 in 2006. I didn't think this was a bargain because I was under the impression I was getting it for free before I travelled to pick it up. The previous owner had no further use for it and needed the space it was taking up. I think it's a nice machine although an Alphaserver 2100A would be nicer. It looks and sounds like a real computer except the front panel is a bit pathetic. It is great for heating the room in winter. However, it doesn't seem to have any commercial value. Regards, Peter Coghlan. What is an AlphaServer 2100 worth? There was one at RePC in Seattle a couple weeks ago and I was thinking about purchasing it. On 4/14/22 2:36 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 12/04/2022 16:34, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: Folks, Does no one fancy a go at this. Had zero interest... Dave (OFFLIST, I think) I'm assuming the machine is safe, at least for the moment? I've actually got less room now than when I had to let it go, so hopefully it can just sit in a corner and be a useful table end or something for a while? I'm currently struggling with a uVAX 3600 PSu and a VAX 4000 PSU, so if I ever fix those, maybe I can help with the AS2100 ... Antonio
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
What is an AlphaServer 2100 worth? There was one at RePC in Seattle a couple weeks ago and I was thinking about purchasing it. On 4/14/22 2:36 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: On 12/04/2022 16:34, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: Folks, Does no one fancy a go at this. Had zero interest... Dave (OFFLIST, I think) I'm assuming the machine is safe, at least for the moment? I've actually got less room now than when I had to let it go, so hopefully it can just sit in a corner and be a useful table end or something for a while? I'm currently struggling with a uVAX 3600 PSu and a VAX 4000 PSU, so if I ever fix those, maybe I can help with the AS2100 ... Antonio
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On 4/14/22 6:10 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: I will learn to get this right eventually :-) Some (if not many) of those that do eventually learn how to do it still make mistakes. So, try to do it correct, but be accepting of those that oops. ;-) Read: Don't beat yourself up for a mistake that we all have or will make. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On 14/04/2022 22:36, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: (OFFLIST, I think) I will learn to get this right eventually :-) -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On 12/04/2022 16:34, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk wrote: Folks, Does no one fancy a go at this. Had zero interest... Dave (OFFLIST, I think) I'm assuming the machine is safe, at least for the moment? I've actually got less room now than when I had to let it go, so hopefully it can just sit in a corner and be a useful table end or something for a while? I'm currently struggling with a uVAX 3600 PSu and a VAX 4000 PSU, so if I ever fix those, maybe I can help with the AS2100 ... Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
Folks, Does no one fancy a go at this. Had zero interest... Dave > -Original Message- > From: dave.g4...@gmail.com > Sent: 04 April 2022 12:29 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available > > Folks, > > I got one of these from Antonio. It has 4 x CPU boards in plus a few disk > drives, but it does not want to power up. It did spin the fans up then shut > down. . I now have a lot of other projects on the go, so if anyone would like > it > please let me know. > Its in Manchester, England. Replies off-list please. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Antonio > > Carlini via cctalk > > Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available > > > > I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK (Oxfordshire). > > The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed date). > > > > > > I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be > > interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch! > > > > > > I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two. > > > > > > These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm > > not sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find > > that out soon. > > > > They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC. > > OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them > > back to life. > > > > > > Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are about: > > 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L. > > > > > > I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are > > very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some > > effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming > > that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. > > remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift > > would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to > > their current location. > > > > > > I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of > > these machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're > > sure you understand what you are getting into :-)). > > > > > > Antonio > > > > > > -- > > Antonio Carlini > > anto...@acarlini.com >
RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
Folks, I got one of these from Antonio. It has 4 x CPU boards in plus a few disk drives, but it does not want to power up. It did spin the fans up then shut down. . I now have a lot of other projects on the go, so if anyone would like it please let me know. Its in Manchester, England. Replies off-list please. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini > via cctalk > Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available > > I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK (Oxfordshire). > The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed date). > > > I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be > interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch! > > > I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two. > > > These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm not > sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find that > out soon. > > They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC. > OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them > back to life. > > > Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are about: > 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L. > > > I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are > very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some > effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming that > it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. remove > PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift would > probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to their > current location. > > > I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of these > machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're sure you > understand what you are getting into :-)). > > > Antonio > > > -- > Antonio Carlini > anto...@acarlini.com
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
RS and I were once transporting some stuff including an RP07 from DE to MD in an open trailer. I was behind him and saw the lid on the RP07 come up and off the drive and land on the road intact. Stopped quickly, backed up, got out of car just in time to watch an 18 wheeler hit it. *CRUNCH*. No more cool plastic lid. Drat. I really need to find that RP07 and get it running again. CZ On 7/27/2020 3:05 PM, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote: Not DEC-related, but I once had an IBM 1800 shipped from where we'd purchased it to a storage locker in a different city, where I lived. All was fine until it was unloaded, and the wheels sank into the pavement. [That summer was a bit hotter than normal...] From: "cctalk" To: "Adrian Graham" , "cctalk" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 9:56:56 AM Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote: ... That reminds me of the time I was transporting a Dodge box (Alpha 4100) between customer sites in a London borough. There were 3 machines, a pair of 4100s and a 2100. 3 of us got the 2100 and a 4100 into the van we had for this task but the 3rd machine wouldn’t fit. No problem, I have a big estate car (station wagon) so could put it in the back of that. I strapped it in with occy straps (the elasticated type) and put the brakes on the front wheels but the thing was so heavy that when the car moved forwards the machine didn’t and burst through the back window. A small girl out on the street said ‘look Mum, that man’s broken his window!’ Those straps are nice for holding packages weighing up to maybe 10 pounds or so. Something non-stretchy, like cargo webbing ratchet straps, well-tied ropes, or in extreme cases chains, are for heavy stuff. I had some fun years ago moving a lathe, in pieces the heaviest of which was around 800 pounds. That's a quick course in how to secure stuff well. Your story reminds me of the -- perhaps apocryphal -- story of the RP04 (RP03?) that was being air-freighted out of Boston airport. It wasn't correctly tied down, so when the takeoff roll started, it stayed put. Same sort of consequence as yours except that it left out the back of the airplane, through the fuselage, bouncing off the runway. The story says that it was taken back to Maynard, uncrated, set up with a couple of bricks underneath one of the corners that was pushed in 6 inches or so, and tested. It still worked. I guess DEC built sturdy, and from your experience they kept doing that for a long time. paul
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
Not DEC-related, but I once had an IBM 1800 shipped from where we'd purchased it to a storage locker in a different city, where I lived. All was fine until it was unloaded, and the wheels sank into the pavement. [That summer was a bit hotter than normal...] From: "cctalk" To: "Adrian Graham" , "cctalk" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 9:56:56 AM Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available > On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > > That reminds me of the time I was transporting a Dodge box (Alpha 4100) > between customer sites in a London borough. There were 3 machines, a pair of > 4100s and a 2100. 3 of us got the 2100 and a 4100 into the van we had for > this task but the 3rd machine wouldn’t fit. No problem, I have a big estate > car (station wagon) so could put it in the back of that. > > I strapped it in with occy straps (the elasticated type) and put the brakes > on the front wheels but the thing was so heavy that when the car moved > forwards the machine didn’t and burst through the back window. A small girl > out on the street said ‘look Mum, that man’s broken his window!’ Those straps are nice for holding packages weighing up to maybe 10 pounds or so. Something non-stretchy, like cargo webbing ratchet straps, well-tied ropes, or in extreme cases chains, are for heavy stuff. I had some fun years ago moving a lathe, in pieces the heaviest of which was around 800 pounds. That's a quick course in how to secure stuff well. Your story reminds me of the -- perhaps apocryphal -- story of the RP04 (RP03?) that was being air-freighted out of Boston airport. It wasn't correctly tied down, so when the takeoff roll started, it stayed put. Same sort of consequence as yours except that it left out the back of the airplane, through the fuselage, bouncing off the runway. The story says that it was taken back to Maynard, uncrated, set up with a couple of bricks underneath one of the corners that was pushed in 6 inches or so, and tested. It still worked. I guess DEC built sturdy, and from your experience they kept doing that for a long time. paul
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > > That reminds me of the time I was transporting a Dodge box (Alpha 4100) > between customer sites in a London borough. There were 3 machines, a pair of > 4100s and a 2100. 3 of us got the 2100 and a 4100 into the van we had for > this task but the 3rd machine wouldn’t fit. No problem, I have a big estate > car (station wagon) so could put it in the back of that. > > I strapped it in with occy straps (the elasticated type) and put the brakes > on the front wheels but the thing was so heavy that when the car moved > forwards the machine didn’t and burst through the back window. A small girl > out on the street said ‘look Mum, that man’s broken his window!’ Those straps are nice for holding packages weighing up to maybe 10 pounds or so. Something non-stretchy, like cargo webbing ratchet straps, well-tied ropes, or in extreme cases chains, are for heavy stuff. I had some fun years ago moving a lathe, in pieces the heaviest of which was around 800 pounds. That's a quick course in how to secure stuff well. Your story reminds me of the -- perhaps apocryphal -- story of the RP04 (RP03?) that was being air-freighted out of Boston airport. It wasn't correctly tied down, so when the takeoff roll started, it stayed put. Same sort of consequence as yours except that it left out the back of the airplane, through the fuselage, bouncing off the runway. The story says that it was taken back to Maynard, uncrated, set up with a couple of bricks underneath one of the corners that was pushed in 6 inches or so, and tested. It still worked. I guess DEC built sturdy, and from your experience they kept doing that for a long time. paul
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
> On 27 Jul 2020, at 17:06, Michael-John Turner via cctalk > wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 08:58:22PM +0100, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: >> I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are very >> heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some effort but you >> would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming that it would fit). I'm >> planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. remove PSU/PSUs etc. until >> they are light enough to move). A tail-lift would probably be the sane way >> to go (and is, indeed, how they got to their current location. > > It was probably youthful stupidity, but I transported an AlphaServer 2100 in > my VW Golf 4 back in the day. I also lifted it out myself (luckily it was on > castors so just needed to make it out of the car). Sadly the machine later > died but I passed it on to a fellow Alpha-owner who stripped it for parts. > > Glad you managed to find homes for all three of them. > > Cheers, MJ > -- > Michael-John Turner * m...@mjturner.net * http://mjturner.net/ That reminds me of the time I was transporting a Dodge box (Alpha 4100) between customer sites in a London borough. There were 3 machines, a pair of 4100s and a 2100. 3 of us got the 2100 and a 4100 into the van we had for this task but the 3rd machine wouldn’t fit. No problem, I have a big estate car (station wagon) so could put it in the back of that. I strapped it in with occy straps (the elasticated type) and put the brakes on the front wheels but the thing was so heavy that when the car moved forwards the machine didn’t and burst through the back window. A small girl out on the street said ‘look Mum, that man’s broken his window!’ Fun times. At the other end we got out the Henry Hoover to suck up the glass and switched on, machine worked fine and didn’t hiccup until it was decommissioned a few years later. -- Adrian Graham Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection? t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 08:58:22PM +0100, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote: I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to their current location. It was probably youthful stupidity, but I transported an AlphaServer 2100 in my VW Golf 4 back in the day. I also lifted it out myself (luckily it was on castors so just needed to make it out of the car). Sadly the machine later died but I passed it on to a fellow Alpha-owner who stripped it for parts. Glad you managed to find homes for all three of them. Cheers, MJ -- Michael-John Turner * m...@mjturner.net * http://mjturner.net/
RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
Well I suppose the important thing is that they have been spoken for. Hopefully I will get to see Dave's in action. > -Original Message- > From: Antonio Carlini > Sent: 22 July 2020 20:24 > To: r...@jarratt.me.uk; 'Dave Wade' ; 'General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' ; > anto...@acarlini.com > Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100s available > > On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote: > > I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take one > too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that* huge. > > > > Regards > > > Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty small > :- > ) > > > The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and > get some photos etc. of the various innards. > > > Antonio > > > -- > Antonio Carlini > anto...@acarlini.com
Re: AlphaServer 2100s available
On 22/07/2020 19:40, Rob Jarratt wrote: I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that* huge. Regards Smaller than a VAX-11/780 or a VAX 6000 or a VAX 7000. So yes, pretty small :-) The systems are now all provisionally spoken for. I can still try and get some photos etc. of the various innards. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
I would like to come to see it when you get it Dave. I wish I could take one too, I wonder if I could make room as the dimensions don't seem *that* huge. Regards Rob > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Dave Wade via > cctalk > Sent: 21 July 2020 22:16 > To: anto...@acarlini.com; 'Antonio Carlini' ; 'General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available > > Antonio, > Happy to take one. Can collect. Be a nice companion for VAX and IBM P390. > Keep hearing of Alphas but nothing has appeared. > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Antonio > > Carlini via cctalk > > Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available > > > > I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK (Oxfordshire). > > The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed date). > > > > > > I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be > > interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch! > > > > > > I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two. > > > > > > These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm > > not sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find > > that out soon. > > > > They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC. > > OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them > > back to life. > > > > > > Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are about: > > 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L. > > > > > > I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are > > very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some > > effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming > > that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. > > remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift > > would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to > > their current location. > > > > > > I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of > > these machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're > > sure you understand what you are getting into :-)). > > > > > > Antonio > > > > > > -- > > Antonio Carlini > > anto...@acarlini.com
RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
Just found the specs. "Typical" installed weight 75kg, max 100kg. Minus power supplies and drives I think two fairly strong people could lift into a car as long as the tailgate is fairly low. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Martin Reilly via cctalk Sent: 22 July 2020 15:49 To: anto...@acarlini.com; 'Antonio Carlini' ; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: AlphaServer 2100s available I'd be very interested in one of these. Depending where in Oxfordshire I'm probably within 90 minutes drive. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini via cctalk Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK (Oxfordshire). The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed date). I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch! I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two. These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm not sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find that out soon. They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC. OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them back to life. Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are about: 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L. I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to their current location. I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of these machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're sure you understand what you are getting into :-)). Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
I'd be very interested in one of these. Depending where in Oxfordshire I'm probably within 90 minutes drive. -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini via cctalk Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK (Oxfordshire). The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed date). I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch! I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two. These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm not sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find that out soon. They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC. OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them back to life. Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are about: 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L. I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to their current location. I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of these machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're sure you understand what you are getting into :-)). Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
RE: AlphaServer 2100s available
Antonio, Happy to take one. Can collect. Be a nice companion for VAX and IBM P390. Keep hearing of Alphas but nothing has appeared. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini > via cctalk > Sent: 21 July 2020 20:58 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: AlphaServer 2100s available > > I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK (Oxfordshire). > The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed date). > > > I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be > interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch! > > > I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two. > > > These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm not > sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find that > out soon. > > They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC. > OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them > back to life. > > > Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are about: > 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L. > > > I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are > very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some > effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming that > it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. remove > PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift would > probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to their > current location. > > > I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of these > machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're sure you > understand what you are getting into :-)). > > > Antonio > > > -- > Antonio Carlini > anto...@acarlini.com
AlphaServer 2100s available
I have three AlphaServer 2100 systems in storage in the UK (Oxfordshire). The storage, however, is due to be demolished (soon, but no fixed date). I won't have room to store these three systems, so if anyone would be interested in offering them a home, then please get in touch! I can probably get some pictures in the next day or two. These systems were SMP Alphas and could sport as many as 4 CPUs. I'm not sure of the configuration of these systems but I can probably find that out soon. They have not been run since ~2003 so they may be in need of some TLC. OTOH they are not rusted to death so you have a chance of getting them back to life. Just so you know what you might be dealing with these systems are about: 700mm H x 430mm W x 810mm L. I can't find the weight in any of my references right now but they are very heavy. Three people can move them up a slight slope with some effort but you would not successfully lift it into a car (assuming that it would fit). I'm planning to dismantle them to move them (i.e. remove PSU/PSUs etc. until they are light enough to move). A tail-lift would probably be the sane way to go (and is, indeed, how they got to their current location. I'm hoping that someone can step forward and offer one or more of these machines a new home. Please contact me off-list (once you're sure you understand what you are getting into :-)). Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
