Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Rod Smallwood]

On 19/08/2016 22:13, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:

On 19 August 2016 at 10:31, Rod Smallwood  wrote:

Now for the fun version. How do I do the same sort of thing but with DEC
hardware?


You mean host a website with DEC hardware?

With a PDP-11:

Johnny Billquist has a lovely TCP/IP package for RSX-11/M+ which includes an 
HTTP server if I recall correctly.
I haven't used it (because reasons) but I think 2.11 BSD might have an HTTP 
server too.

With a VAX:

VMS, later versions provide all the stuff you need to host a website, though 
I've not set one up to do so.
OpenBSD 5.8 (the last VAX version) also provides all the servering that you 
need.
NetBSD is also a thing.

With an Alpha:

VMS
OpenBSD still supports Alpha in the current versions
NetBSD, again


Cheers,
Christian




WASD perhaps?

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Christian Gauger-Cosgrove]

On 19 August 2016 at 10:31, Rod Smallwood  wrote:
> Now for the fun version. How do I do the same sort of thing but with DEC
> hardware?
>
You mean host a website with DEC hardware?

With a PDP-11:
> Johnny Billquist has a lovely TCP/IP package for RSX-11/M+ which includes an 
> HTTP server if I recall correctly.
> I haven't used it (because reasons) but I think 2.11 BSD might have an HTTP 
> server too.

With a VAX:
> VMS, later versions provide all the stuff you need to host a website, though 
> I've not set one up to do so.
> OpenBSD 5.8 (the last VAX version) also provides all the servering that you 
> need.
> NetBSD is also a thing.

With an Alpha:
> VMS
> OpenBSD still supports Alpha in the current versions
> NetBSD, again


Cheers,
Christian



-- 
Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove
STCKON08DS0
Contact information available upon request.

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Rod Smallwood]

On 18/08/2016 14:56, Rod Smallwood wrote:



On 18/08/2016 14:25, Jonathan Katz wrote:

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Rod Smallwood
 wrote:

Whats an Etsy?


on-line storefront for artisan stuff, low-volume stuff.

This is my friend's store for homemade portraits and the link:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/cordialkitten

Here's something that is kind of interesting:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/94667084/usb-typewriter-computer-keyboard-black 



I assume you can just register and set up shop there. I don't think
the overhead is too bad. You just upload some photos of your panels,
price them, set the quantity (or build to order) and you're done.



Good grief a old typewriter with a display!!!

Rod

Well I have a box to put the catalog on and  ubuntu server boots and 
apache runs.


Now for the fun version. How do I do the same sort of thing but with DEC 
hardware?

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Jonathan Katz]

>> I assume you can just register and set up shop there. I don't think
>> the overhead is too bad. You just upload some photos of your panels,
>> price them, set the quantity (or build to order) and you're done.
>>
>>
> Good grief a old typewriter with a display!!!

People with too much time on their hands... am I right? :D -- in all
seriousness, it takes the legwork out of setting up your own on-line
shop, no code, no "hard work" since that's left to the site. You can
post what photos you want of what runs you do, set price-per-unit,
functionality, etc.

Here are other examples of computer-y projects.

Electronics Category: https://www.etsy.com/c/electronics-and-accessories

DIY electronics kits:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/272737382/diy-basic-complete-lightsaber
https://www.etsy.com/listing/236205713/infrared-based-2-digit-digital-object
https://www.etsy.com/listing/291073801/delay-echo-effect-diy-kit-eurorack-ready
https://www.etsy.com/listing/254936327/iv-3-vfd-tube-7-pieces

Stuff I think is kind of neat:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/224240129/5-tube-nixie-clock-v1-diy-kit-with
https://www.etsy.com/listing/248279121/usb-flash-drive-with-light-up-vacuum



-- 
-Jon
+32 0 486 260 686

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Rod Smallwood]

On 18/08/2016 14:25, Jonathan Katz wrote:

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Rod Smallwood
 wrote:

Whats an Etsy?


on-line storefront for artisan stuff, low-volume stuff.

This is my friend's store for homemade portraits and the link:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/cordialkitten

Here's something that is kind of interesting:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/94667084/usb-typewriter-computer-keyboard-black

I assume you can just register and set up shop there. I don't think
the overhead is too bad. You just upload some photos of your panels,
price them, set the quantity (or build to order) and you're done.



Good grief a old typewriter with a display!!!

Rod

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Jonathan Katz]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Rod Smallwood
 wrote:
> Whats an Etsy?
>

on-line storefront for artisan stuff, low-volume stuff.

This is my friend's store for homemade portraits and the link:
https://www.etsy.com/shop/cordialkitten

Here's something that is kind of interesting:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/94667084/usb-typewriter-computer-keyboard-black

I assume you can just register and set up shop there. I don't think
the overhead is too bad. You just upload some photos of your panels,
price them, set the quantity (or build to order) and you're done.


-- 
-Jon
+32 0 486 260 686

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Rod Smallwood]

On 18/08/2016 12:10, Jonathan Katz wrote:

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Rod Smallwood
 wrote:



Other information and addenda is welcome, but not necessary (re: Ian's
point about necessity), and I wouldn't postpone posting in favor of
fancier distribution. LCD is the most survivable (broadly), and easiest
to archive.


Hi
  Its mostly pictures of panels plus data. How would that work?
Rod


As stupid as it sounds, why not set up a storefront at Etsy and leave
the heavy lifting/commerce to someone else?


Whats an Etsy?

Rod

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Jonathan Katz]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Rod Smallwood
 wrote:
>
>
>> Other information and addenda is welcome, but not necessary (re: Ian's
>> point about necessity), and I wouldn't postpone posting in favor of
>> fancier distribution. LCD is the most survivable (broadly), and easiest
>> to archive.
>>
> Hi
>  Its mostly pictures of panels plus data. How would that work?
> Rod
>

As stupid as it sounds, why not set up a storefront at Etsy and leave
the heavy lifting/commerce to someone else?

-- 
-Jon
+32 0 486 260 686

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Rod Smallwood]

On 18/08/2016 11:21, Daniel Moniz wrote:

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Ian Finder wrote:

My preference: KISS principle; keep it simple, stupid.

Set up an HTTP server or a web host that does directory listings, and and
dump all the stuff into a sensible folder structure a-la Bitsavers.

When you get more stuff just file it accordingly.

No need for wikis or CMSes or any of that junk.

+1

Other information and addenda is welcome, but not necessary (re: Ian's
point about necessity), and I wouldn't postpone posting in favor of
fancier distribution. LCD is the most survivable (broadly), and easiest
to archive.

I wouldn't make this a requirement in any way, but Apache HTTPD format
directory listings (i.e., that de facto "standard" format) in particular
already have several tools that support easy archiving/mirroring
natively.



Hi
 Its mostly pictures of panels plus data. How would that work?
Rod

Re: Front Panel Update - PDP-8/i

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi

  Thank you for your order

Please send payment to PayPal rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com as below

and your shipping address to me.


On 16/08/2016 22:36, Adrian Stoness wrote:

I would like to order one how do I do that?

On Aug 16, 2016 3:41 PM, "Rod Smallwood" 
wrote:


Hi

  Same price as before $150 + $20 shipping.

  Shipments going out to-morrow.

  Payment to my PayPal account  rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood



On 16/08/2016 20:56, Ian S. King wrote:


I tried to mail you off-list and got an error from your mail server.  I
would like to know your pricing - I have a rebadged 8/I that could use a
facelift.  Thanks.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Rod Smallwood <
rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi Guys

 PDP-8/i panels are now shipping. If you are quick with
your
order we can ship to-morrow

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel Update - PDP-8/i

[Adrian Stoness]

I would like to order one how do I do that?

On Aug 16, 2016 3:41 PM, "Rod Smallwood" 
wrote:

>
> Hi
>
>  Same price as before $150 + $20 shipping.
>
>  Shipments going out to-morrow.
>
>  Payment to my PayPal account  rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com
>
> Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>
>
>
> On 16/08/2016 20:56, Ian S. King wrote:
>
>> I tried to mail you off-list and got an error from your mail server.  I
>> would like to know your pricing - I have a rebadged 8/I that could use a
>> facelift.  Thanks.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Rod Smallwood <
>> rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guys
>>>
>>> PDP-8/i panels are now shipping. If you are quick with
>>> your
>>> order we can ship to-morrow
>>>
>>> Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: Front Panel Update - PDP-8/i

[Ian S. King]

I tried to mail you off-list and got an error from your mail server.  I
would like to know your pricing - I have a rebadged 8/I that could use a
facelift.  Thanks.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Rod Smallwood <
rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys
>
>PDP-8/i panels are now shipping. If you are quick with your
> order we can ship to-morrow
>
> Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>
>
>


-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School 
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

Front Panel Update - PDP-8/i

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys

   PDP-8/i panels are now shipping. If you are quick with 
your order we can ship to-morrow


Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Rod Smallwood]

On 15/08/2016 03:25, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 07:43:21PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:

Thank you all very much. I'm collating all of this most useful data.

I think I have sent you this:

http://pdp8.se/slask/front_paneler

Not complete but it has som odd color variations and OEM version. It has
the chocolaty csis1170.jpg for instance.

/P

Hi
  Most interesting.
Thanks
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Pontus Pihlgren]

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 07:43:21PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:
> Thank you all very much. I'm collating all of this most useful data.

I think I have sent you this:

http://pdp8.se/slask/front_paneler

Not complete but it has som odd color variations and OEM version. It has 
the chocolaty csis1170.jpg for instance.

/P

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Al Kossow]

On 8/14/16 12:04 PM, Ian Finder wrote:

> No need for wikis or CMSes or any of that junk.
>

Such things are useful, Richard's RSS feed of bitsavers, for example
but they can be added later.

I am a VERY strong believer in keeping the content flat and not dynamically 
served, so that it can be rsynced
exactly as it is stored.

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Rod Smallwood]

On 14/08/2016 21:25, Paul Anderson wrote:

Does this mean you don't want to know about the 8 and 11 blue and red
industrial control panels?

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Rod Smallwood <
rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:



On 14/08/2016 12:48, Michael Thompson wrote:


Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:20:13 -0400

From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels -
  PDP-11

There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right).

Cheers,
Christian

The RICM has a brown CSI PDP-11/70 front panel.

Sheesh!  Its going to take me a while to catalog all that lot!!

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood



Good Grief ! No I need all the data I can get.
Rod

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Paul Anderson]

Does this mean you don't want to know about the 8 and 11 blue and red
industrial control panels?

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Rod Smallwood <
rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 14/08/2016 12:48, Michael Thompson wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:20:13 -0400
>>> From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels -
>>>  PDP-11
>>>
>>> There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
>>> E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
>>> systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Christian
>>>
>>> The RICM has a brown CSI PDP-11/70 front panel.
>>
>> Sheesh!  Its going to take me a while to catalog all that lot!!
>
> Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>
>

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Jay West

> I had already offered to host the panels... I just didn't want to
> create full blow web content

I'd be happy to create some Web V0.1 content for it - similar to my other
simple Web pages, e.g.:

  http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/DECIndicatorPanels.html

Let me know.

Noel

RE: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Jay West]

I had already offered to host the panels... I just didn't want to create full 
blow web content as that's not my bag.

But if you want just directory listing format - I can do that easily.

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:27 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

Thanks that's interesting

Rod

On 14/08/2016 20:04, Ian Finder wrote:
> My preference: KISS principle; keep it simple, stupid.
>
> Set up an HTTP server or a web host that does directory listings, and 
> and dump all the stuff into a sensible folder structure a-la Bitsavers.
>
> When you get more stuff just file it accordingly.
>
> No need for wikis or CMSes or any of that junk.
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Ian
>
> On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Rod Smallwood 
> <rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>>  I'd like to catalog my growing list of  panels  etc. and 
>> the data I have on them.
>>
>> Some of course I may never make and others I will.
>>
>>A number of you are connected to museums and would have 
>> come across this issue.
>>
>>Perhaps you could advise.
>>
>>Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Rod Smallwood]

Thanks that's interesting

Rod

On 14/08/2016 20:04, Ian Finder wrote:

My preference: KISS principle; keep it simple, stupid.

Set up an HTTP server or a web host that does directory listings, and and
dump all the stuff into a sensible folder structure a-la Bitsavers.

When you get more stuff just file it accordingly.

No need for wikis or CMSes or any of that junk.

Cheers,

- Ian

On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Rod Smallwood 
wrote:


Hi Guys

 I'd like to catalog my growing list of  panels  etc. and the
data I have on them.

Some of course I may never make and others I will.

   A number of you are connected to museums and would have come
across this issue.

   Perhaps you could advise.

   Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel update - Catalog

[Ian Finder]

My preference: KISS principle; keep it simple, stupid.

Set up an HTTP server or a web host that does directory listings, and and
dump all the stuff into a sensible folder structure a-la Bitsavers.

When you get more stuff just file it accordingly.

No need for wikis or CMSes or any of that junk.

Cheers,

- Ian

On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Rod Smallwood 
wrote:

> Hi Guys
>
> I'd like to catalog my growing list of  panels  etc. and the
> data I have on them.
>
>Some of course I may never make and others I will.
>
>   A number of you are connected to museums and would have come
> across this issue.
>
>   Perhaps you could advise.
>
>   Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>
>
>
>

-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Front Panel update - Catalog

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys

I'd like to catalog my growing list of  panels  etc. and 
the data I have on them.


   Some of course I may never make and others I will.

  A number of you are connected to museums and would have come 
across this issue.


  Perhaps you could advise.

  Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Rod Smallwood]

On 14/08/2016 12:48, Michael Thompson wrote:

Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:20:13 -0400
From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels -
 PDP-11

There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right).

Cheers,
Christian


The RICM has a brown CSI PDP-11/70 front panel.


Sheesh!  Its going to take me a while to catalog all that lot!!

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Michael Thompson]

>
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:20:13 -0400
> From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels -
> PDP-11
>
> There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
> E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
> systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right).
>
> Cheers,
> Christian
>

The RICM has a brown CSI PDP-11/70 front panel.

-- 
Michael Thompson

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[John H. Reinhardt]

I think I've registered with you before, but I'm interested in a PDP-11/70 
panel and if you do them, a bezel for it.

John H. Reinhardt


On 8/12/2016 4:49 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote:

Hi Guys

Well my panels made to VCF. I have had some feedback and I 
expect more.

Currently I have stock of PDP-8/e (Types A and B) , PDP-8/f and PDP-8/m.

PDP-8/i should be out of manufacturing by now. Next up is PDP-8/L.

 -++ Order the above now ++

Due to our house remodeling and holidays at the silk screen studio it was quiet 
up until this week..

However now things have started up again. I'm about to revisit the PDP-8 bezel 
project.

The prototype had a few issues but nothing major. I should have a painted 
example shortly.

Once the PDP-8/L batch are safely in the stock room it will be time to start on 
PDP-11 panels.

+++  Please register interest in bezels and PDP-11 panels 


Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Ian Finder]

Amazing! Thanks, Rod. You're really on top of this.

On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Rod Smallwood 
wrote:

>
>
> On 14/08/2016 06:57, Ian Finder wrote:
>
>> Registering interest for 11/40! Also, one comment after playing with my
>> panels...
>>
>> We should laquer the back of them to prevent the black back-coating from
>> scratching off...
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Rod Smallwood <
>> rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Guys
>>>
>>>  Well my panels made to VCF. I have had some feedback
>>> and I
>>> expect more.
>>>
>>> Currently I have stock of PDP-8/e (Types A and B) , PDP-8/f and PDP-8/m.
>>>
>>> PDP-8/i should be out of manufacturing by now. Next up is PDP-8/L.
>>>
>>>   -++ Order the above now ++
>>>
>>> Due to our house remodeling and holidays at the silk screen studio it was
>>> quiet up until this week..
>>>
>>> However now things have started up again. I'm about to revisit the PDP-8
>>> bezel project.
>>>
>>> The prototype had a few issues but nothing major. I should have a painted
>>> example shortly.
>>>
>>> Once the PDP-8/L batch are safely in the stock room it will be time to
>>> start on PDP-11 panels.
>>>
>>> +++  Please register interest in bezels and PDP-11
>>> panels 
>>>
>>> Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All panels now have a new anti chip coating over the black on the black.
>>
> Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Rod Smallwood]

On 14/08/2016 06:57, Ian Finder wrote:

Registering interest for 11/40! Also, one comment after playing with my
panels...

We should laquer the back of them to prevent the black back-coating from
scratching off...

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Rod Smallwood <
rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:


Hi Guys

 Well my panels made to VCF. I have had some feedback and I
expect more.

Currently I have stock of PDP-8/e (Types A and B) , PDP-8/f and PDP-8/m.

PDP-8/i should be out of manufacturing by now. Next up is PDP-8/L.

  -++ Order the above now ++

Due to our house remodeling and holidays at the silk screen studio it was
quiet up until this week..

However now things have started up again. I'm about to revisit the PDP-8
bezel project.

The prototype had a few issues but nothing major. I should have a painted
example shortly.

Once the PDP-8/L batch are safely in the stock room it will be time to
start on PDP-11 panels.

+++  Please register interest in bezels and PDP-11
panels 

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood









All panels now have a new anti chip coating over the black on the black.

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Kirk Davis]

Also registering interest in 11 panels also. 11/45 would be my first choice 
followed by ’70, ’40 & ‘20


> On Aug 13, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Ian Finder  wrote:
> 
> Registering interest for 11/40! Also, one comment after playing with my
> panels...
> 
> We should laquer the back of them to prevent the black back-coating from
> scratching off...
> 
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Rod Smallwood <
> rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Guys
>> 
>>Well my panels made to VCF. I have had some feedback and I
>> expect more.
>> 
>> Currently I have stock of PDP-8/e (Types A and B) , PDP-8/f and PDP-8/m.
>> 
>> PDP-8/i should be out of manufacturing by now. Next up is PDP-8/L.
>> 
>> -++ Order the above now ++
>> 
>> Due to our house remodeling and holidays at the silk screen studio it was
>> quiet up until this week..
>> 
>> However now things have started up again. I'm about to revisit the PDP-8
>> bezel project.
>> 
>> The prototype had a few issues but nothing major. I should have a painted
>> example shortly.
>> 
>> Once the PDP-8/L batch are safely in the stock room it will be time to
>> start on PDP-11 panels.
>> 
>> +++  Please register interest in bezels and PDP-11
>> panels 
>> 
>> Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>   Ian Finder
>   (206) 395-MIPS
>   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove

> There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
> ... There's a blue-and-red '40 panel sold by DEC in their
> "INDUSTRIAL-11" version.

Also for the /70; I announced a couple of weeks back that I'd added a scan of
one to my PDP-11 stuff page:

  http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/PDP-11_Stuff.html


> From: Don North north at alum.mit.edu 

> I also have a complete DEC DataSystem-570 panel ... which is just a
> standard 11/70 panel, but recolored in light blue / dark blue / gray
> color scheme.

One of those on that page, too. (Well, the plexiglass part. :-)


> From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove

> This might or might not be blasphemous to some, but I think the DDS-570
> colour scheme looks much nicer than the standard PDP-11 colour scheme.

I like them both... :-)

> I'm wondering how close of a match the "business system" blue PDP-11/7x
> models match up against DEC's other blue coloured systems; i.e. KL10s
> of the DECsystem-10xx flavour

They are different; the 570 includes a deep blue (a royal/Prussian kind of
blue), and on the KL10 both are lighter.

> it's front-end processor was a PDP-11/40 with an alternate colour
> scheme panel

Actually, that is the only 'front panel' (lights and switches) on the KL10;
the KL10 CPU itself doesn't have one (unlike the KA10 and KI10).

Noel

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Christian Gauger-Cosgrove]

On 13 August 2016 at 14:32, Don North  wrote:
> Like this maybe:   http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg
>
Yes, exactly that one! Based on the rest of your e-mail I'm guessing
it's yours, right? Any chance you could get a higher res scan of it?


> This is a 'true' 11/74 panel from the never-production variation of the
> 11/74, with CIS.
> Not just a relabeled/recolored 11/70 panel. Note the additional LEDs on the
> right hand side.
> AFAIK no front panel exists that mates with this plexiglass.
>
Yeah, I can see that your panel is different from the other 11/74
panel. The 11/74 panel I linked was one of the four CPUs (CPU C as the
green sticker shows, and giant painted "C" indicates) of DEC's DAEMON
system (apparently it might also have been called PHEANX?) quad
processor setup.

More pictures here for people to oggle and drool over:


It looks like your 11/74 panel might have been designed for a mounting
similar to the other 11/74 (we'll call it DAEMON-type) panel mounting
(same visual style and colour scheme) which is distinctly different
from the standard 11/70 mounting (though the DAEMON panels all follow
the same general layout as an 11/70), though the actual mating PCB
would have been different, since the keylock and parity lights have
swapped places and the display indicator LEDs have been re-arranged.


> I also have a complete DEC DataSystem-570 panel (frame, plex, switches)
> which is just
> a standard 11/70 panel, but recolored in light blue / dark  blue / gray
> color scheme.
>
This might or might not be blasphemous to some, but I think the
DDS-570 colour scheme looks much nicer than the standard PDP-11 colour
scheme.


Hmm, now I'm wondering how close of a match the "business system" blue
PDP-11/7x models match up against DEC's other blue coloured systems;
i.e. KL10s of the DECsystem-10xx flavour, PDP-15s, and the alternate
blue-coloured PDP-12
().

Actually speaking of the KL10, I forgot about the fact it's front-end
processor was a PDP-11/40 with an alternate colour scheme panel.


Cheers,
Christian
-- 
Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove
STCKON08DS0
Contact information available upon request.

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Rod Smallwood]

On 13/08/2016 19:32, Don North wrote:

On 8/13/2016 6:20 AM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
On 13 August 2016 at 08:07, Noel Chiappa  
wrote:
I can't recall any other models with front panels? (Well, the /74, 
but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people 
might want

some for simulators.)


The whole list of PDP-11 models with any sort of front panel beyond
just an on/off switch is:

11/20 (11/15)
11/05 (11/10)
11/40 (11/35)
11/45 (11/50, 11/55)
11/70 (11/74)
11/34 (11/04, 11/34A) --- "Calculator" style panel (like an 8/A)
11/60 --- "Calculator" style panel.

I've put OEM machines, and machines that are otherwise identical, or
nearly so in parens. The '45 and '50 panels are the same except for
the number, while the '55 panel is painted completely differently. The
same goes for the '70 versus '74 panels: Same indicators and
everything, just completely different paint job.

The panel on the '74 is almost exactly like a standard '70 panel, just
its in "blue" (i.e. like the DECdatasystem-570 that Dave McGuire
owns). Compare:
11/74: 


11/70: 
The only other major difference between the '70 and '74 panels is that
the '74 uses the "chiclet" switches as on the '05/'10 instead of the
"normal" triangular plastic ones you find on a standard '70.

There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right). There's a blue-and-red '40
panel sold by DEC in their "INDUSTRIAL-11" version. A photo exists
showing an 11/20 and an 8/e in "labratory" green (i.e. the LAB-8/e
colour scheme).


With regards to the 11/74, last I heard there were no machines extant.
Apparently there's an 11/74 panel plexiglass "floating around", but I
don't recall who owns it.


Like this maybe:   http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg

This is a 'true' 11/74 panel from the never-production variation of 
the 11/74, with CIS.
Not just a relabeled/recolored 11/70 panel. Note the additional LEDs 
on the right hand side.

AFAIK no front panel exists that mates with this plexiglass.

I also have a complete DEC DataSystem-570 panel (frame, plex, 
switches) which is just
a standard 11/70 panel, but recolored in light blue / dark  blue / 
gray color scheme.


Don



As an aside thought: I'd love to see a "blue" 11/70 or an 11/74 panel
running with either blue LEDs or white LEDs. That would probably look
very nice… hopefully Rob will do a one of those panels because that
sounds like a fun project.


Cheers,
Christian





Thank you all very much. I'm collating all of this most useful data.

Regards
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Don North]

On 8/13/2016 6:20 AM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:

On 13 August 2016 at 08:07, Noel Chiappa  wrote:

I can't recall any other models with front panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)


The whole list of PDP-11 models with any sort of front panel beyond
just an on/off switch is:

11/20 (11/15)
11/05 (11/10)
11/40 (11/35)
11/45 (11/50, 11/55)
11/70 (11/74)
11/34 (11/04, 11/34A) --- "Calculator" style panel (like an 8/A)
11/60 --- "Calculator" style panel.

I've put OEM machines, and machines that are otherwise identical, or
nearly so in parens. The '45 and '50 panels are the same except for
the number, while the '55 panel is painted completely differently. The
same goes for the '70 versus '74 panels: Same indicators and
everything, just completely different paint job.

The panel on the '74 is almost exactly like a standard '70 panel, just
its in "blue" (i.e. like the DECdatasystem-570 that Dave McGuire
owns). Compare:
11/74: 

11/70: 
The only other major difference between the '70 and '74 panels is that
the '74 uses the "chiclet" switches as on the '05/'10 instead of the
"normal" triangular plastic ones you find on a standard '70.

There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right). There's a blue-and-red '40
panel sold by DEC in their "INDUSTRIAL-11" version. A photo exists
showing an 11/20 and an 8/e in "labratory" green (i.e. the LAB-8/e
colour scheme).


With regards to the 11/74, last I heard there were no machines extant.
Apparently there's an 11/74 panel plexiglass "floating around", but I
don't recall who owns it.


Like this maybe:   http://www.ak6dn.com/stuff/1174.jpg

This is a 'true' 11/74 panel from the never-production variation of the 11/74, 
with CIS.
Not just a relabeled/recolored 11/70 panel. Note the additional LEDs on the 
right hand side.

AFAIK no front panel exists that mates with this plexiglass.

I also have a complete DEC DataSystem-570 panel (frame, plex, switches) which is 
just
a standard 11/70 panel, but recolored in light blue / dark  blue / gray color 
scheme.


Don



As an aside thought: I'd love to see a "blue" 11/70 or an 11/74 panel
running with either blue LEDs or white LEDs. That would probably look
very nice… hopefully Rob will do a one of those panels because that
sounds like a fun project.


Cheers,
Christian

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Rod Smallwood]

On 13/08/2016 13:07, Noel Chiappa wrote:

 > From: Rod Smallwood

> Please register interest in ... PDP-11 panels

It will depend on price - will they be the same as the PDP-8 panels (since
they are so similar)? If so, can you remind us of the pricing, please? If
not, any estimate?

I assume you'll eventually be doing all of them (/35, /40, /45, /50, /55, /70
- both variants), but the order will depend on interest? Do you have a /20
panel scan/measurements, to do that one too? If there is any interest in
/05-/10 panels, I have one and can scan it.

I can't recall any other models with front panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)

Noel


Yes the same for PDP-11 front panels as PDP-8
$150 per panel $20 shipping to US. For stock panels

Large, one off and custom panels please ask me.

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Rod Smallwood]

On 13/08/2016 14:20, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:

On 13 August 2016 at 08:07, Noel Chiappa  wrote:

I can't recall any other models with front panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)


The whole list of PDP-11 models with any sort of front panel beyond
just an on/off switch is:

11/20 (11/15)
11/05 (11/10)
11/40 (11/35)
11/45 (11/50, 11/55)
11/70 (11/74)
11/34 (11/04, 11/34A) --- "Calculator" style panel (like an 8/A)
11/60 --- "Calculator" style panel.

I've put OEM machines, and machines that are otherwise identical, or
nearly so in parens. The '45 and '50 panels are the same except for
the number, while the '55 panel is painted completely differently. The
same goes for the '70 versus '74 panels: Same indicators and
everything, just completely different paint job.

The panel on the '74 is almost exactly like a standard '70 panel, just
its in "blue" (i.e. like the DECdatasystem-570 that Dave McGuire
owns). Compare:
11/74: 

11/70: 
The only other major difference between the '70 and '74 panels is that
the '74 uses the "chiclet" switches as on the '05/'10 instead of the
"normal" triangular plastic ones you find on a standard '70.

There's also different coloured versions for many of the panels too.
E.g. there's a brown-and-white '70 panel used in OEM typesetting
systems by CSI Systems (if I recall right). There's a blue-and-red '40
panel sold by DEC in their "INDUSTRIAL-11" version. A photo exists
showing an 11/20 and an 8/e in "labratory" green (i.e. the LAB-8/e
colour scheme).


With regards to the 11/74, last I heard there were no machines extant.
Apparently there's an 11/74 panel plexiglass "floating around", but I
don't recall who owns it.


As an aside thought: I'd love to see a "blue" 11/70 or an 11/74 panel
running with either blue LEDs or white LEDs. That would probably look
very nice… hopefully Rob will do a one of those panels because that
sounds like a fun project.


Cheers,
Christian



Thank you very much that's a mine of information.

Most Helpful
Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Rod Smallwood

   > Please register interest in ... PDP-11 panels

It will depend on price - will they be the same as the PDP-8 panels (since
they are so similar)? If so, can you remind us of the pricing, please? If
not, any estimate?

I assume you'll eventually be doing all of them (/35, /40, /45, /50, /55, /70
- both variants), but the order will depend on interest? Do you have a /20
panel scan/measurements, to do that one too? If there is any interest in
/05-/10 panels, I have one and can scan it.

I can't recall any other models with front panels? (Well, the /74, but IIRC
there are none of those extant outside museums - although people might want
some for simulators.)

Noel

Re: Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Adrian Stoness]

8i I want one for my panel rebuild project

On Aug 12, 2016 3:49 AM, "Rod Smallwood" 
wrote:

Hi Guys

Well my panels made to VCF. I have had some feedback and I
expect more.

Currently I have stock of PDP-8/e (Types A and B) , PDP-8/f and PDP-8/m.

PDP-8/i should be out of manufacturing by now. Next up is PDP-8/L.

 -++ Order the above now ++

Due to our house remodeling and holidays at the silk screen studio it was
quiet up until this week..

However now things have started up again. I'm about to revisit the PDP-8
bezel project.

The prototype had a few issues but nothing major. I should have a painted
example shortly.

Once the PDP-8/L batch are safely in the stock room it will be time to
start on PDP-11 panels.

+++  Please register interest in bezels and PDP-11
panels 

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Front Panel - Update. - PDP=8/i and PDP-8/l - Bezels - PDP-11

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys

Well my panels made to VCF. I have had some feedback 
and I expect more.


Currently I have stock of PDP-8/e (Types A and B) , PDP-8/f and PDP-8/m.

PDP-8/i should be out of manufacturing by now. Next up is PDP-8/L.

 -++ Order the above now ++

Due to our house remodeling and holidays at the silk screen studio it 
was quiet up until this week..


However now things have started up again. I'm about to revisit the PDP-8 
bezel project.


The prototype had a few issues but nothing major. I should have a 
painted example shortly.


Once the PDP-8/L batch are safely in the stock room it will be time to 
start on PDP-11 panels.


+++  Please register interest in bezels and PDP-11 
panels 


Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

Front Panel Update - Video on YouTube

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys
   I think I now have the very short clip of front panel 
production at the silk screeners on YouTube

Try https://youtu.be/8qi4cveAc3A (go to YouTube first)

Rod

Correction - Front Panel Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Ooops!

  For boards read panels

Rod

Front panel update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys
   Just got back from the silk screeners. Panels everywhere!!
Final layers (Amber and white ) going on. Customising insets for type A 
and B  ready


Front is now matt black as per requests.

They are sourcing some ready made packaging and plastic cloth.
Its that soft stuff you get round hifi's and TV's etc.

I have some pictures I took on the wifes iPad. If I can get them off on 
to my PC I can send then out.

I'm working on a Web server as focal point for everything panel.

 In addition to DEC Straight 8,  8/e (A or B), 8/f and 8/m,
I also have artwork for  IBM 360 and Burroughs 3500

PDP 11/40 (PDP10) thru 11/70 are under way.

Regards

Rod

Front Panel Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys!
I have just sent off an email to the silk screeners and 
will talk to them later.
Like most of the UK they have been shut down from 18th December until 
to-day.


When they shutdown they had put the black layer on the back of all of 
the panels and they were in the drier


Moving to the front of the panel.  In the first batch I shipped. The 
front had the normal shiny perspex finish.  Somebody noticed the real 
old panels had a sort of matt black finish on the front. Actually it was 
a translucent sort of gray layer to diffuse the lamps and  had the side 
effect of making the front  surface look as if it was matt black. It 
isn't but it sure looks like it. Its some kind of transmissive optical 
effect.


OK so they go and get an ink to do the above.  While they had the panels 
in the drier they did a test piece.
Black on the back and translucent clear diffuser on the front. For some 
reason they were not happy with the result.


At that point Christmas intervenes.

To-day, what I have requested is not to mess around with the special ink 
if they dont like the results.
They should just put a real but thin layer of matt black on the front.  
The result should be the same.


More news as it comes in

Rod

Front Panel - Update - 4-2-GO

[rod]

Hi Guys

1  Real 8/e panel as absolute check leaves US on its way to 
me to-day

2. Out of twenty slots sixteen have gone. That leaves four.
If they don't go before printing starts  I'll have them 
screened to uncommitted /e  (can become A or B)

3. For me its back to  PDP11/40 thru 11/70 layouts.
4. Anybody need a one off. I'm trying to find an economic 
way to handle custom jobs
5. I'm also looking at an option to put manufacturing 
locations on as found on some systems (default is Maynard)



Rod

Front Panel Update

[rod]

Hi Guys
 I just got back from the meeting at the silk screen shop.
They are going to start by printing ten PDP8/e panels with the details 
that are common to both A and B.
I'm sending them a couple of overlays. One to convert the common panel 
to an A Type and the other to make it into a B type.
 Four A type and Three B type are sold. This means I have three slots 
left that can become either an A or a B.


Same goes for 8/f and 8/m . They will print up to the common point and  
an overlay will turn it into either an /f or /m
This time the stock will be a bit better.  Two /f have gone so eight 
slots are available to become a /f or a /m


So to be able to make an 8/e Type  A or Type B takes
  One precut perspex sheet,
  One screen for each color (two)
  One screen for the white
  One matte finish coating
  Two screens for the overlays
  One screen for the lamp view ports on the back.

   Total six silk screens

  Then I'll add in packing and shipping cost.


I'll freeze the order on Monday
Then work out  the unit price and add in packing and shipping cost.
Then call for payment  from those without prepaid orders.

So there are three 8/e A or B  slots and eight 8/f or 8/m slots 
available until Monday


Rod Smallwood

Re: Front Panel Update

[Pontus Pihlgren]

On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 12:23:56PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:
 Hi Guys
   The drawings for  pdp8/e (A),  pdp8/e (B),  pdp8/f and
 pdp8/m have now gone to the silkscreeners for checking and costing.
 I'll let you all know when they are available. Those who chose to
 prepay but to wait for the version they needed will go out first.
 
 One issue I need to clear up. Are PDP-8/i and pdp-8/l  thats (i) and
 (l)  the same due to font ambiguity or different?

8/i and 8/l are distincly different.

If you want to group them 8/e/f/m are similar and the rest are distinct 
from eachother. See here for an overview:

http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/pan08.htm

/P

Re: Front Panel Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Pontus
   Thanks that clears up one or two things.
I worked on a straight 8 with its clear cover on top along with a couple 
of 8/e's  at Harwell.


Whilst at DEC 1975 onwards I saw loads of 8/a's and the odd 8/e lurking 
on the top of a filing  cabinet.
As far as I can remember I never saw an 8/i,8/i, 8/f,8/s or 8/m used in 
house.


By that time flavor of the month was the PDP-11/34A. We sold  a hell of 
alot of those.
I have one awaiting restoration. I can't remember if they have a 
switching psu or not.

It matters not. Turf out all electrolytic capacitors on sight.

Regards

Rod



On 03/08/2015 13:35, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:

On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 12:23:56PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:

Hi Guys
   The drawings for  pdp8/e (A),  pdp8/e (B),  pdp8/f and
pdp8/m have now gone to the silkscreeners for checking and costing.
I'll let you all know when they are available. Those who chose to
prepay but to wait for the version they needed will go out first.

One issue I need to clear up. Are PDP-8/i and pdp-8/l  thats (i) and
(l)  the same due to font ambiguity or different?

8/i and 8/l are distincly different.

If you want to group them 8/e/f/m are similar and the rest are distinct
from eachother. See here for an overview:

http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/pan08.htm

/P

Front Panel update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys
   As usual I try to keep you updated on front panel 
progress.

(Always supposing I know where I am!!)

I now have _prototype_ white seperation artwork for four front PDP8  panels

1. pdp8/e Type A
2. pdp8/e Type B
3. pdp8/f
4. pdp8/m

I am doing all four together as they share the same basic plexiglass panel.
There's a lot to do to to get to the point they can be silkscreened.

I have put all four as they now stand in a file (.svg) and  if you email 
me direct I'll send it to you.



Rod

Front Panel Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hello Everybody
 In the course of doing the artwork for 8/e 
type B I have turned up some more variations.


The list  now looks like this:

1. Switch position markings
2. Line round switch area
3. The EMA title block isolated from the other titles
4. Lines between groups of three lamps
5. lab8/e instead of pdp8/e

So far I can't find any reasons as to why these variations seem to be 
random.

The only thing that is not cosmetic is the two types of switch position.

I am minded to add all of variatons (excluding lab8/e) because they seem 
progressive:


No line round the switch areabecomes line round the switch 
area

EMA title attached  becomes EMA title detached
No lines between lamps becomes lines between lamps

Then produce two versions based on the switch position

The issue is of course small batch costs.

Comments gentlemen please

Rod

Re: Front Panel Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Tom
  I had thought somebody had done one (or it was part of a kit) 
However I cant find

anything about it. So lets have a look at  your scan.

Regards
Rod


On 14/07/2015 19:44, Tom Moss wrote:

Hi Rod,

Any chance I could commission you to do an Altair 8800 panel?
The silkscreen has almost completely worn off on mine, but I have a
high-quality scan of a good one.

-Tom

On 14 July 2015 at 19:20, Rod Smallwood rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com
wrote:


Hello Everybody
  In the course of doing the artwork for 8/e type B
I have turned up some more variations.

The list  now looks like this:

1. Switch position markings
2. Line round switch area
3. The EMA title block isolated from the other titles
4. Lines between groups of three lamps
5. lab8/e instead of pdp8/e

So far I can't find any reasons as to why these variations seem to be
random.
The only thing that is not cosmetic is the two types of switch position.

I am minded to add all of variatons (excluding lab8/e) because they seem
progressive:

 No line round the switch areabecomes line round the switch area
 EMA title attached  becomes EMA title detached
 No lines between lamps becomes lines between lamps

Then produce two versions based on the switch position

The issue is of course small batch costs.

Comments gentlemen please

Rod

Front Panel Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys
  Well I'm back from holiday. I'm now sorting out what I'm 
calling the PDP 8/e B model panel.
This has the markings for the latest type of selector switch, vertical 
lines between lamp groups and

the line round the selector switch area.
If anybody has not got an order in and wants one please let me know.

I'm going through the wish lists to see whats next. Probably 8/f or 8/m

One off's for old systems where there are very few examples in existance 
and need custom one off's

please email me to discuss.

Rod

Re: Front Panel Update A and B panels

[Paul Birkel]

Can anyone recommend suitable rotary switches for either the A (vertical)
or B (angled) configuration?

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Rod Smallwood 
rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Hi Guys
   I am off to Friedrichshafen for a few days and will be back
 on 1-JUL-2015.

 The next two batches of front panels will be:

  8/e Type A

 1.  Old switch position markings (1 and 6 vertical)

 2.  Line around switch Area

 3.  Vertical lines between groups of three lamps

 4.   Holes for switch shaft and lock predrilled


 8/e Type B

1.  New switch position markings (1 and 6 angled)

2.  Line around switch Area

3.  Vertical lines between groups of three lamps

4.   Holes for switch shaft and lock predrilled

 Price as before


 $95.00 + $15.00 Shipping

 Rod Smallwood

Re: Front Panel Update A and B panels

[Vincent Slyngstad]

From: Paul Birke: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:59 PM

Can anyone recommend suitable rotary switches for either the A (vertical)
or B (angled) configuration?


Unfortunately I don't have any leads on a modern equivalent.
(Just the fairly useless DEC part numbers.)

The construction is dead simple, though.  Essentially, mine are 
a set of reed switches mounted at 36 degree intervals, a couple 
of end plates, and a central shaft with a magnet on it.  Some 
detents which make the shaft tend to want to stay where you 
put it.  The newer ones presumably used an angle of 30 degrees 
instead of 36.


It's probably achievable to create something with a 3D printer 
and some modern reed switches that would fit the original form

factor.

   Vince 

Front Panel Update A and B panels

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys
  I am off to Friedrichshafen for a few days and will be 
back on 1-JUL-2015.


The next two batches of front panels will be:

 8/e Type A

1.  Old switch position markings (1 and 6 vertical)

2.  Line around switch Area

3.  Vertical lines between groups of three lamps

4.   Holes for switch shaft and lock predrilled


8/e Type B

   1.  New switch position markings (1 and 6 angled)

   2.  Line around switch Area

   3.  Vertical lines between groups of three lamps

   4.   Holes for switch shaft and lock predrilled

Price as before


$95.00 + $15.00 Shipping

Rod Smallwood

RE: Front Panel Update

[Dave G4UGM]

 -Original Message-
 From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of tony
duell
 Sent: 10 June 2015 05:46
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
 Subject: RE: Front Panel Update
 
  Interesting.  Varian is a microwave equipment company; I have one of
their
 TWTs sitting on my H960 at home.
  Vacuum equipment, I could believe that.  But yes, Varian made a 16 bit
  minicomputer; I had a handbook for it at
 
 My father was a physical chemist who did a lot of work with vacuum
systems.
 He would swear by Varian (and swear _at_ Vacuum Generators). I assume it
 was the same Varian company.
 

I once had a Varian computer, well the local computer club had a Varian. I
can't remember what happened to it. 
A friend used to work for them mostly I think on gas chromatographs...

 A number of scientific instrument companies made computers too, of
 course. The most obvious being HP.
 
 -tony

Dave

OEM minis /was Re: Front Panel Update

[Brent Hilpert]

On 2015-Jun-09, at 4:07 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
 Varian bought the design of the 620. I forget the name of the original
 firm, but I have a brochure on it.
 
 Weird things happen. CDC rebadged small VAX machines and Nova 3s, for
 example, even with their minicomputer line intact.

 On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Paul Koning paulkon...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 On Jun 9, 2015, at 5:58 PM, tony duell a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote
 
 WTF? Varian was a competitor of DEC. They made minis themselves. Sounds
 extremely strange that one would take a DEC mini, and put a Varian badge
 on it. Did someone try to make a joke?
 
 I will always think of Varian as a maker of (very high quality) vacuum 
 equipment.
 
 I am sure this was not a joke. It wasn't just the name, the switch handles 
 were all green, the silkscreening
 was different, etc. It was a normal PDP8/e inside, though. It was part of a 
 piece of lab equipment (I forget
 what) and I had to do a minor repair on the PDP8/e side (this was over 20 
 years ago...). I was pleased to
 see that apart from a custom interface board, the rest of it was standard 
 DEC boards, so the printsets I
 had applied.
 
 Interesting.  Varian is a microwave equipment company; I have one of their 
 TWTs sitting on my H960 at home.  Vacuum equipment, I could believe that.  
 But yes, Varian made a 16 bit minicomputer; I had a handbook for it at one 
 time (now lost, I suspect).  And if memory serves, the reason is that there 
 was one in the Computer Science department at the University of Illinois 
 where I studied.  I remember nothing about the architecture, other than the 
 fact it supported user microprogramming.
 
 Possibly the OEM PDP8 predates that device.  Or possibly it wasn’t enough of 
 a competitor for DEC to stop doing OEM business with Varian


Another case example, going from the brochures at CHM / bitsavers, in the early 
70s Foxboro were marketing their unique FOX-1 (perhaps the coolest-looking 
minicomputer ever):
http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/artifact/132/544

.. while their FOX-2 was a rebadged / OEM PDP-11/20  (see page 5 of FOX-2 pdf):
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/foxboro/

Out of curiousity: should any DEC-heads download the FOX-2 brochure, on pdf 
page 11, what is the unit above the 11/20  paper tape reader? looks like it 
would be OEM from DEC, a disk or drum controller?.

Re: Front Panel Update

[William Donzelli]

Varian bought the design of the 620. I forget the name of the original
firm, but I have a brochure on it.

Weird things happen. CDC rebadged small VAX machines and Nova 3s, for
example, even with their minicomputer line intact.

--
Will

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Paul Koning paulkon...@comcast.net wrote:

 On Jun 9, 2015, at 5:58 PM, tony duell a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote:


 WTF? Varian was a competitor of DEC. They made minis themselves. Sounds
 extremely strange that one would take a DEC mini, and put a Varian badge
 on it. Did someone try to make a joke?

 I will always think of Varian as a maker of (very high quality) vacuum 
 equipment.

 I am sure this was not a joke. It wasn't just the name, the switch handles 
 were all green, the silkscreening
 was different, etc. It was a normal PDP8/e inside, though. It was part of a 
 piece of lab equipment (I forget
 what) and I had to do a minor repair on the PDP8/e side (this was over 20 
 years ago...). I was pleased to
 see that apart from a custom interface board, the rest of it was standard 
 DEC boards, so the printsets I
 had applied.

 Interesting.  Varian is a microwave equipment company; I have one of their 
 TWTs sitting on my H960 at home.  Vacuum equipment, I could believe that.  
 But yes, Varian made a 16 bit minicomputer; I had a handbook for it at one 
 time (now lost, I suspect).  And if memory serves, the reason is that there 
 was one in the Computer Science department at the University of Illinois 
 where I studied.  I remember nothing about the architecture, other than the 
 fact it supported user microprogramming.

 Possibly the OEM PDP8 predates that device.  Or possibly it wasn’t enough of 
 a competitor for DEC to stop doing OEM business with Varian.

 paul

Re: Front Panel Update

[Paul Koning]

The ANTS system I saw was in CAC, the building originally built to house Illiac 
IV.  It sat next to an IMP (a 6 foot high battleship gray box with a large 
hoisting eye on top).

paul

 On Jun 9, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Paul Anderson used...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Was that in the Astromony building on Goodwin located next to CSL?
 
 It was not on contract with us, at least not very often. I worked on it
 several times. It had 2 DB11- unibus repeaters on it, and was supposedly
 the longest bus ever.
 
 Paul

RE: Front Panel Update

[tony duell]

 WTF? Varian was a competitor of DEC. They made minis themselves. Sounds
 extremely strange that one would take a DEC mini, and put a Varian badge
 on it. Did someone try to make a joke?

I will always think of Varian as a maker of (very high quality) vacuum 
equipment.

I am sure this was not a joke. It wasn't just the name, the switch handles were 
all green, the silkscreening
was different, etc. It was a normal PDP8/e inside, though. It was part of a 
piece of lab equipment (I forget
what) and I had to do a minor repair on the PDP8/e side (this was over 20 years 
ago...). I was pleased to
see that apart from a custom interface board, the rest of it was standard DEC 
boards, so the printsets I 
had applied.

Incidentally, for those who like HP handhelds, the original HP41C manual has a 
photo on the title
page of each chapter. One of them clearly shows _Tektronix_ instruments (!)

-tony

Re: Front Panel Update

[couryhouse]

8s is rare??   We have one.  Is there a an registry?   Ed#  smecc.org


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

 Original message 
From: ben bfranc...@jetnet.ab.ca 
Date: 06/08/2015  12:05 PM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
Subject: Re: Front Panel Update 

On 6/8/2015 12:28 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
 Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with
 extra markings
 The 8/m - OEM no front panel
 The 8/I has different front panel
 The 8/A is a totally different box altogether

 The 8/e was the big seller with thousands shipped

The 8/s was a small seller with 10's of computers shipped.
I got to play with both.
Ben.

Re: Front Panel Update

[ben]

On 6/8/2015 4:30 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:

yea Will... things that fit under the workbench  can  languish   for  40
years...  if it has to sit on  top  it may a a shorter lifespan  Ed#
_www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)


Ok, where are the computers HOLDING UP THE WORKBENCH?
Ben.

Re: Front Panel Update

[Pontus Pihlgren]

Quite rare the PDP-8 faq says 1024 made. And given how slow it 
was, I suppose people didn't hold on to it.

/P

On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 12:26:07PM -0700, couryhouse wrote:
 
 
 8s is rare??   We have one.  Is there a an registry?   Ed#  smecc.org
 
 
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
 
  Original message 
 From: ben bfranc...@jetnet.ab.ca 
 Date: 06/08/2015  12:05 PM  (GMT-07:00) 
 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
 Subject: Re: Front Panel Update 
 
 On 6/8/2015 12:28 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
  Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with
  extra markings
  The 8/m - OEM no front panel
  The 8/I has different front panel
  The 8/A is a totally different box altogether
 
  The 8/e was the big seller with thousands shipped
 
 The 8/s was a small seller with 10's of computers shipped.
 I got to play with both.
 Ben.
 
 

Re: Front Panel Update

[ben]

On 6/8/2015 4:18 PM, William Donzelli wrote:

It's pretty rare. I have one too.

I've seen and heard of more straight 8s than I have 8/S


PDP-8/Ss used to be quite rare, but they have been popping out of the
woodwork for some time now. I would venture to say they are now more
extant that Straight-8s.

Small is survivability.

PDP-8/S was my first computer, purchased for five bucks from a guy I
met at a hamfest. That was thirty years ago, and started me on this
whole computer history path. It is temperamental, but still works.

--
Will



I still love the quote All computers wait at the same speed.
Ben.

Re: Front Panel Update

[William Donzelli]

 It's pretty rare. I have one too.

 I've seen and heard of more straight 8s than I have 8/S

PDP-8/Ss used to be quite rare, but they have been popping out of the
woodwork for some time now. I would venture to say they are now more
extant that Straight-8s.

Small is survivability.

PDP-8/S was my first computer, purchased for five bucks from a guy I
met at a hamfest. That was thirty years ago, and started me on this
whole computer history path. It is temperamental, but still works.

--
Will

Re: Front Panel Update

[COURYHOUSE]

yea I have only  seen the one 8S  we  got  
 
whereas  straight 8   back in the biz  days  79  to  90 something   had
 
 2 plexi  desktop  straight  8  ( one we  kept  ser # 18  got  from 
stanford surplus stores w/ ato d  rack too) and the other we  sold to the guy 
that 
 has museum near  Yellowstone  aprox  25? years ago?  it had a  s/n  in  
the 200's ... it  had  come   from  an  az  state auction...   I was bidding 
against some damb ass  who   thought it was a pdp8 A  his  brother  could
use  for  some cnc   tape  prep  thingingie... heh  heh)
 
one straight 8 in  blue rack ( still have but the fright company 30  years 
ago lost the damn desk  for  it.)
 
3ea  straight 8 used  with  BEVATRON  that were rough  and  in hideous 
cabinets ( wish I still had...)
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/8/2015 3:04:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
tmfdm...@gmail.com writes:

It's  pretty rare. I have one too.

I've seen and heard of more straight 8s  than I have 8/S

Mike

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:26 AM, couryhouse  couryho...@aol.com wrote:


 8s is  rare??   We have one.  Is there a an registry?Ed#  smecc.org


 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G  LTE smartphone

  Original message 
  From: ben bfranc...@jetnet.ab.ca
 Date: 06/08/2015  12:05  PM  (GMT-07:00)
 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re:  Front Panel Update

 On 6/8/2015 12:28 PM, Rod Smallwood  wrote:
 Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar  front panel with
 extra markings
 The 8/m - OEM no front  panel
 The 8/I has different front panel
 The 8/A is a  totally different box altogether

 The 8/e was the big  seller with thousands shipped

 The 8/s was a small seller  with 10's of computers shipped.
 I got to play with both.
  Ben.





-- 

http://www.corestore.org
'No  greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother.
Not for  millions, not for glory, not for fame.
For one person, in the dark, where  no one will ever know or  see.'

Re: Front Panel Update

[COURYHOUSE]

I will have to  dig out he small computer handbook from  the  Dec  section 
at  smecc library  and  study up  on it  again!  the  brain cells are foggy!
 
another nice  go with to display with  8s   is the DEC  logic  trainer
We somehow ended up  with a few of these... one   goes   next to a 8 the 
other in  toys robots and trainers  display   and  one for offsite   which  
leaves one extra   for  trade!
 
 
In a message dated 6/8/2015 2:20:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
b...@update.uu.se writes:

Not so  much serial bus as just serial. Everything is serial in the 
machine,  as far as I understand.
Not sure how much of a bus it got.

Johnny


On 2015-06-08 22:59, couryho...@aol.com  wrote:
 yea... poor  8 s  was  20 microsecond   cycle   time
 the  S  stood  for serial  buss  as  I remember  it.
 Ed#  _www.smecc.org_  (http://www.smecc.org)


 In a message dated 6/8/2015  1:09:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
 pon...@update.uu.se  writes:

 Quite  rare the PDP-8 faq says 1024 made. And  given how slow it
 was, I suppose  people didn't hold on to  it.

 /P

 On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at   12:26:07PM -0700, couryhouse wrote:


 8s is  rare??   We have one.  Is there a an registry? Ed#  smecc.org


 Sent from my Verizon  Wireless 4G  LTE smartphone

  Original  message 
   From: ben  bfranc...@jetnet.ab.ca
 Date: 06/08/2015  12:05   PM  (GMT-07:00)
 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
  Subject: Re:  Front Panel Update

 On 6/8/2015  12:28 PM, Rod Smallwood  wrote:
 Theres an 8/f which  replaced the 8/e and has a similar  front panel 
with
  extra markings
 The 8/m - OEM no  front  panel
 The 8/I has different front panel
  The  8/A is a totally different box  altogether

 The 8/e  was the big seller  with thousands shipped

 The 8/s was a  small  seller with 10's of computers shipped.
 I got to play with   both.
 Ben.




-- 
Johnny  Billquist  ||  I'm on a bus
||   on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!   ||   tryin' to stay hip - B. Idol

Re: Front Panel Update

[Pontus Pihlgren]

I think you are refering to the micro processor series, or MPS:

http://www.dvq.com/oldcomp/photos2/1k/dec_micro_panel.JPG

I have some marketing material but that is it. I've seen one go 
on ebay.

/P

On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 08:34:57PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:
 There is one thing I saw once at DEC and have never seen a reference to.
 There was a development system for the intel 8008 that ran on a quad
 board plugged into an 8/e
 Papertape i/o on an ASR33
 
 I saw it running once and then it was never seen again.
 
 
 On 08/06/2015 20:26, couryhouse wrote:
 8s is rare??   We have one.  Is there a an registry?   Ed#  smecc.org
 
 
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
 
  Original message 
 From: ben bfranc...@jetnet.ab.ca
 Date: 06/08/2015  12:05 PM  (GMT-07:00)
 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
 Subject: Re: Front Panel Update
 
 On 6/8/2015 12:28 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote:
 Theres an 8/f which replaced the 8/e and has a similar front panel with
 extra markings
 The 8/m - OEM no front panel
 The 8/I has different front panel
 The 8/A is a totally different box altogether
 
 The 8/e was the big seller with thousands shipped
 
 The 8/s was a small seller with 10's of computers shipped.
 I got to play with both.
 Ben.
 
 
 

RE: Front Panel Update

[Dave G4UGM]

Is this appropriate for an SBC6120 or does that need different  switch labels 
...

 -Original Message-
 From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod
 Smallwood
 Sent: 08 June 2015 13:20
 To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-
 Topic Posts
 Subject: Front Panel Update
 
 Hi All
   Since I released the picture of the first 8/e panel on Friday 
 there has
 been a big response.
 Its 12:45 local on Monday in the UK and I'm of to the silk screeners to 
 collect
 the rest of the first batch and to arrange for more to be printed as soon as I
 get the blanks from the plastics supplier.
 I'll send out  what I have to fullfill as many of the orders I have so far as 
 I can.
 
 I have learned an awful lot just based on the inquires I have so far.
 I see the following as requirements
 
 
   1. Full size reproductions of the original panels useing the
 same methods.
 
   2. High quality
 
   3.Custom one off service for important restorations.
 
   4. There's more demand than I thought.
 
   5.  So far its all been for DEC systems
 
 
 And yes they would look good just hung on the wall
 
 Next up an accurate reproduction of the bezel.
 
 And after that a lamps and switches board when and if I solve the Stackpole
 switch levers issue.
 
 Please send in your orders so I can allocate production/shipping slots.
 
 Regards
 
 Rod Smallwood
 
 
 
 

Re: Front Panel Update

[Paul Koning]

 On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Rod Smallwood rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes several
 
 The originals have rounded corners.
 The address font differs slightly when superimposed.
 The screening in mine is much chrisper than the old ones.
 
 
 On 08/06/2015 13:21, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
 Is there a way to tell your reproduction from an original?

Suggestion: it’s a good practice in general for replicas to be marked explictly 
as a replica.  The marking can be very small and inconspicuous, but it seems 
like good form to have one.

paul

Re: Front Panel Update

[Kyle Owen]

On Jun 8, 2015 8:21 AM, Pontus Pihlgren pon...@update.uu.se wrote:

 Is there a way to tell your reproduction from an original?

 /P


After looking at both of them, the typeface for the second line of text
does not match, and some of the font sizes seem a bit off, or maybe the
typefaces used are a little more bold.

Kyle

Re: Front Panel Update

[Pontus Pihlgren]

Is there a way to tell your reproduction from an original?

/P

On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:19:41PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote:
 Hi All
  Since I released the picture of the first 8/e panel on
 Friday there has been a big response.
 Its 12:45 local on Monday in the UK and I'm of to the silk screeners
 to collect the rest of the first batch and to arrange for more
 to be printed as soon as I get the blanks from the plastics supplier.
 I'll send out  what I have to fullfill as many of the orders I have
 so far as I can.
 
 I have learned an awful lot just based on the inquires I have so far.
 I see the following as requirements
 
 
  1. Full size reproductions of the original panels useing
 the same methods.
 
  2. High quality
 
  3.Custom one off service for important restorations.
 
  4. There's more demand than I thought.
 
  5.  So far its all been for DEC systems
 
 
 And yes they would look good just hung on the wall
 
 Next up an accurate reproduction of the bezel.
 
 And after that a lamps and switches board when and if I solve the
 Stackpole switch levers issue.
 
 Please send in your orders so I can allocate production/shipping slots.
 
 Regards
 
 Rod Smallwood
 
 
 
 
 

Front Panel Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi All
 Since I released the picture of the first 8/e panel on 
Friday there has been a big response.
Its 12:45 local on Monday in the UK and I'm of to the silk screeners to 
collect the rest of the first batch and to arrange for more

to be printed as soon as I get the blanks from the plastics supplier.
I'll send out  what I have to fullfill as many of the orders I have so 
far as I can.


I have learned an awful lot just based on the inquires I have so far.
I see the following as requirements


 1. Full size reproductions of the original panels useing the 
same methods.


 2. High quality

 3.Custom one off service for important restorations.

 4. There's more demand than I thought.

 5.  So far its all been for DEC systems


And yes they would look good just hung on the wall

Next up an accurate reproduction of the bezel.

And after that a lamps and switches board when and if I solve the 
Stackpole switch levers issue.


Please send in your orders so I can allocate production/shipping slots.

Regards

Rod Smallwood

Re: Front Panel Update

[William Donzelli]

 Suggestion: it’s a good practice in general for replicas to be marked 
 explictly as a replica.  The marking can be very small and inconspicuous, but 
 it seems like good form to have one.

Yes, I was going to mention this as well. The trick (which is not hard
at all) is to make the marking declaring it a replica hidden from
normal view, but in such a place where it would be discovered easily
during an audit or inspection.

And, yes, DEC panels did have minor variations in artwork. For example
stock green PDP-12 panels come in at least two versions - early ones
have lower case in the markings, but later ones do not.

--
Will

Re: Front Panel Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi

I did consider that and as there will be more that the few I had planned.
I can do that. I thought I might call it a Replic8 or a Fake8 or Makan8 
for the kit.


I am some what flattered that my humble efforts at artwork could be 
mistaken for the real thing.
Thinking back some forty years I seem to remember that whilst at DEC I 
heard that they (the panels)

were made removable so OEM's could brand their own systems.

Mind you there was also a story that college students could remove one 
in under 60 seconds



On 08/06/2015 16:32, William Donzelli wrote:

Suggestion: it’s a good practice in general for replicas to be marked explictly 
as a replica.  The marking can be very small and inconspicuous, but it seems 
like good form to have one.

Yes, I was going to mention this as well. The trick (which is not hard
at all) is to make the marking declaring it a replica hidden from
normal view, but in such a place where it would be discovered easily
during an audit or inspection.

And, yes, DEC panels did have minor variations in artwork. For example
stock green PDP-12 panels come in at least two versions - early ones
have lower case in the markings, but later ones do not.

--
Will