Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Curious Marc via cctalk]

Dave,

The UK Museum responded to my email inquiry, and went through the effort of 
scanning their document and sending it to me. I'll forward it to David and Al 
for completeness.

Marc

 

From: Dave Wade <dave.g4...@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, November 3, 2017 at 10:37 AM

 

Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on 
three days notice

Dave

 



> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> CuriousMarc via cctalk
> Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10
> To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
>
> The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
> seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
> anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
> them?
> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
> Set-Ge
> neration/
>
> Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
>
> Marc
>
>

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 11/9/17 6:29 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:

> @Al: you may push it to bitsavers

done

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Jay West via cctalk]

And FYI... bitsavers is mirrored multiple places, so if it is at bitsavers, 
it's already got multiple sources.

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[David Collins via cctalk]

I’ll put it on www.hpmuseum.net as well so we have at least 2 sources...thanks 
for doing this!

David Collins

Sent from my iPad

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 1:29 am, Christian Corti via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server:
> ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640SeriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf
> 
> Enjoy :-)
> 
> @Al: you may push it to bitsavers
> 
> Christian

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Dave Wade via cctalk]

Of course I looked at this in a browser and the ftp server does not like the
re-connects so whats the timer set to?

Dave

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ed via
> cctalk
> Sent: 09 November 2017 15:41
> To: c...@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de; cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
> 
> Many Thanks  for this.
> A useful addition to our  HP  docs here.
> 
> Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/9/2017 7:29:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
> 
> The  manual has been scanned and is on our FTP  server:
> ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-
> 90001_2640S
> eriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf
> 
> Enjoy  :-)
> 
> @Al: you may push it to  bitsavers
> 
> Christian

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Ed via cctalk]

Many Thanks  for this. 
A useful addition to our  HP  docs here.
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2017 7:29:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

The  manual has been scanned and is on our FTP  server:
ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640S
eriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf

Enjoy  :-)

@Al: you may push it to  bitsavers

Christian

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Thu, 9 Nov 2017, Mattis Lind wrote:

Very interesting! I have a 2640 which I recently refurbished the screen on
and it runs happily and then a 2645 that still needs treatment for the
screen rot. Is the binaries for pong and space invaders downloadable
somewhere? I searched the usual places, but haven't found anything. It
would be interesting to test this binary download mode.


Sure, the files are on our FTP server:
ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2644 and .../hp2648

Christian

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server:
ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640SeriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf

Enjoy :-)

@Al: you may push it to bitsavers

Christian

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Mattis Lind via cctalk]

2017-11-09 10:55 GMT+01:00 Christian Corti via cctalk :

> On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:
>
>> Awesome! The microcode listings would be fantastic too, as I also have a
>> 2749 (which you are supposed to be able to program in assembly)! Let us
>> know
>>
>
> The firmware is already on bitsavers, IIRC. But you can program every 264x
> terminal in assembly. There are some games like Pong, Space Invaders etc.
> for these terminals, both for the i8008 based 2640/2644 and the i8080 based
> 2645/2648. These terminals all have a special control code sequence to load
> a binary file (either from tape or from the serial line) into memory and
> start executing. It is " & b".
> A short description and sample program for the 8008 based terminals can be
> found here:
> http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp2644/diag.html



Very interesting! I have a 2640 which I recently refurbished the screen on
and it runs happily and then a 2645 that still needs treatment for the
screen rot. Is the binaries for pong and space invaders downloadable
somewhere? I searched the usual places, but haven't found anything. It
would be interesting to test this binary download mode.



>
>
> Christian
>

/Mattis

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:

Awesome! The microcode listings would be fantastic too, as I also have a
2749 (which you are supposed to be able to program in assembly)! Let us know


The firmware is already on bitsavers, IIRC. But you can program every 264x 
terminal in assembly. There are some games like Pong, Space Invaders etc. 
for these terminals, both for the i8008 based 2640/2644 and the i8080 
based 2645/2648. These terminals all have a special control code sequence 
to load a binary file (either from tape or from the serial line) into 
memory and start executing. It is " & b".
A short description and sample program for the 8008 based terminals can 
be found here:

http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp2644/diag.html

Christian

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Dave Wade via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian
> Corti via cctalk
> Sent: 08 November 2017 08:56
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
> 
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:
> > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
> > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for.
> > Is anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members
> know them?
> > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-
> Character-
> > Set-Ge
> > neration/
> >
> > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
> 
> I not only have a copy, I have the original of the manual (along with tons
of
> other stuff like microcode listings etc. for the 264x series).
> I will scan it these days and make it online - for free in contrast to the
> Cambridge guys :-)
> 
> Christian

With respect , you can view it in person for the price of admission. They
also say that limited resources mean they have no timescale for this.

In the UK being a small museum is a challenge. Many years ago "the
government" said that any museum that was government supported had to be
free to enter, otherwise their funding would stop. 

As a result, the BIG museums such as the Science Museum became free to enter
and get government funding.

This puts smaller museums in a very difficult situation. They don't get any
funding, non is available, so realistically they have to charge for
admission, which means they have problems competing for footfall.

At least they have made their collection index available so you can see what
they have, and you can go and see it on request. 

Contrast this with The National Museum of Computing (which is not nationally
funded) or the Science Museum Group (which is nationally funded). Both have
large numbers of objects which are not catalogued and/or not available to
see. 

So I know that the Science Museum Group has a set of PDP8 diagnostic tapes,
I have seen and photographed them, but they are not available to view, less
still read...

Dave

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote:

The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which seems to
have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is anyone from
that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-Set-Ge
neration/

Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?


I not only have a copy, I have the original of the manual (along with tons 
of other stuff like microcode listings etc. for the 264x series).
I will scan it these days and make it online - for free in contrast to 
the Cambridge guys :-)


Christian

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[CuriousMarc via cctalk]

Dave,

Thank you so much for enquiring. Not an uncommon problem, scanning (and even 
just cataloging) is so resource intensive. Well, at least they cataloged it 
properly and made the entry available on the web, so we should be grateful for 
that. Is someone in the UK close enough to go view it and take pictures of the 
pages? Would be nice if they could consider lending it to another institution 
or a researcher for scanning (CHM, hpmuseum.net, come to mind). 

Marc

 

From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.g4...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:38 AM
To: CuriousMarc; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

 

Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on 
three days notice

Dave

 

On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade" <dave.g4...@gmail.com> wrote:

Marc,
 They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning
them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the
UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask.
Dave

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> CuriousMarc via cctalk
> Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10
> To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
>
> The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
> seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
> anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
> them?
> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
> Set-Ge
> neration/
>
> Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
>
> Marc
>
>

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

what  about the  kind  folks at the hp  museum?

. . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa  Rosa?

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote:

no the  other  hp museum!


I know.  I was trying to joke about their recent loss, but that one is 
probably TOO SOON.  :-)

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[David Collins via cctalk]

Already checked, not one we have unfortunately. If one turns up we’ll be happy 
to put it up on the website though!

David Collins
HP Computer Museum

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> On 4 Nov 2017, at 7:17 am, Ed via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> no the  other  hp museum!
> across the pond!
> http://hpmuseum.net/
> 
> good people!
> 
> 
> it may already be online  they have  done a  good   job  scanning  stuff.
> 
> ed#
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/3/2017 12:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
> 
>>> Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to  
>>> view on three days notice
>> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk  wrote:
>> 
>> what  about the  kind  folks at the hp  museum?
> 
> . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa  Rosa?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Ed via cctalk]

no the  other  hp museum!
across the pond!
http://hpmuseum.net/
 
good people!
 
 
it may already be online  they have  done a  good   job  scanning  stuff.
 
ed#
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2017 12:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

>  > Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to  
> > view on three days notice
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk  wrote:
> what  about the  kind  folks at the hp  museum?

. . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa  Rosa?

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

> Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to 
> view on three days notice

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote:

what  about the  kind  folks at the hp museum?


. . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa?

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Ed via cctalk]

what  about the  kind  folks at the hp museum?
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2017 10:38:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Well  they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view  
on
three days notice
Dave

On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade"  <dave.g4...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Marc,
>  They seem  to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of 
scanning
> them,  or making them available other than on personal request. I am in 
the
>  UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask.
> Dave
>
>  > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk  [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> > CuriousMarc  via cctalk
> > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10
> > To: 'General  Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> >  <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > Subject: HP 2640 character set  generation manual in the UK
> >
> > The link below is from  the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
> > seems to have a copy  of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
> > anyone from  that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
> >  them?
> >  http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
>  > Set-Ge
> > neration/
> >
> > Does anyone on  the list have a copy of this manual?
> >
> > Marc
>  >
>  >
>
>
>

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Dave Wade via cctalk]

Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on
three days notice
Dave

On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade" <dave.g4...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Marc,
>  They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning
> them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the
> UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask.
> Dave
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> > CuriousMarc via cctalk
> > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10
> > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> > <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
> >
> > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
> > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
> > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
> > them?
> > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
> > Set-Ge
> > neration/
> >
> > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
>
>
>

RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Dave Wade via cctalk]

Marc,
 They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning
them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the
UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask.
Dave

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> CuriousMarc via cctalk
> Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10
> To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
> 
> The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
> seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
> anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
> them?
> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
> Set-Ge
> neration/
> 
> Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?
> 
> Marc
> 
> 

HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[CuriousMarc via cctalk]

The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which seems to
have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is anyone from
that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know them?
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-Set-Ge
neration/

Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual?

Marc