Re: Link Rot
On Mon, 24 May 2021, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2021-05-24 9:58 a.m., Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text. Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30 minutes of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the ability to focus on something unless it's noisy and moving. Like Television? Oh wait we don't have that anymore. Just You-tube with ADS. Ads? What ads? Oh! You must not have UBlock Origin installed. ;) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Link Rot
On 2021-05-24 9:58 a.m., Jules Richardson via cctalk wrote: On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text. Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30 minutes of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the ability to focus on something unless it's noisy and moving. Like Television? Oh wait we don't have that anymore. Just You-tube with ADS. What scares me, is all this store all in the cloud stuff, or on the internet like help files. You cannot buy a program but only an Free APP with ads and other nonsense from store. Soon I suspect it will ONLY APPROVED by M$/APPLE/GOOGLE web pages can be viewed and all cloud access will have service charge. This I fear the most because you are forced into a system with no freedom and no options out. Ben.
RE: Link Rot
> Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to > spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30 > minutes > of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the ability to > focus > on something unless it's noisy and moving. No. Money. It is much easier to monetize those videos then it is to make money off of a web page and ad views. It's not that the kids don't want to spend a couple of minutes reading. It is because content is becoming less and less free. -Ali
Re: Link Rot
On 5/22/21 10:28 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text. Kids. It seems to be the modern way - current generations don't want to spend a couple of minutes reading text when they can sit though 30 minutes of visual content instead. It's like brains have lost the ability to focus on something unless it's noisy and moving.
Re: Link Rot
I've always thought that robots.txt would the be interesting stuff that should be archived, perhaps it could be behind a paywall. There's no law against archiving it other then subnets being blocked, which is easily bypassed as matt cutts wrote a blog post on silently spidering content. Also you can use the cloud proxies which call themselves sdwan. Yacy and other p2p web crawlers are another way to go. On Sat, May 22, 2021, 11:28 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > On 5/22/21 7:41 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: > > link rot is weird in what disapears vs still works > > > > On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:45 PM Ali via cctalk > > wrote: > > > >> Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the > >> article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60% > >> Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of > articles > >> but from sites, drivers, file repositories, etc > >> > https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-york-times-domain-hijacking > > I've said it before--putting information on the web is like writing in > sand. Thank heavens for the Wayback machine (which is why I support > Brewster's efforts). > > However, it's far from perfect--in particular ftp content has apparently > never been archived and many vendor's support pages have had robots.txt > files preventing them from being archived. > Still, it's better than nothing and I appreciate it. Were it more > complete, I might not have to spend so much time reverse-engineering > software. > > Try searching for some of the older, say, HP support pages. I'm pretty > sure that some "executive' made the decision to pull all of the support > material for old systems, as that doesn't contribute to the bottom line. > > The New HP Way. > > A nasty trend is adware sites are simply quoting text from a large > number of now defunct pages; go to the link and you get the > "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU ARE THE ONE BILLIONTH VISITOR!" page. Run, do not > walk away. > > A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish > Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text. > > --Chuck >
RE: Link Rot
> However, it's far from perfect--in particular ftp content has > apparently Yes, who would have ever thought FTPs would be dropping like flies though? Web sites? Sure. But FTP - how else were you going to distribute all those drivers, patches, etc... Short answer just don't bother doing it > Try searching for some of the older, say, HP support pages. I'm pretty > sure that some "executive' made the decision to pull all of the support > material for old systems, as that doesn't contribute to the bottom > line. > > The New HP Way. No, the new HP way is to make it very hard to find information (if it exists) then move it behind a pay wall and finally get rid of it... I've run into this a few times with firmware that used to be freely available from Compaq FTP now being behind a "support contract needed" pay wall... The one company that gets kudos for maintaining their support site is Adaptec - after multiple mergers and buyouts you can still get drivers and manuals for products as old as the 1540... Too bad there is no easy way to archive their site... > A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish > Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of > text. You can't monetize a page of text as easily as you can a video view on YouTube Luckily so far I have never ever had to watch one of these videos for info that can be gleaned from text. Other videos, such as techniques on soldering, are a different story as those skills cannot be taught simply by reading about them I continue to have my own personal archive of pages and YouTube videos for things I find useful. Because you never know...
Re: Link Rot
On 5/22/21 7:41 PM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote: > link rot is weird in what disapears vs still works > > On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:45 PM Ali via cctalk > wrote: > >> Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the >> article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60% >> Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of articles >> but from sites, drivers, file repositories, etc >> https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-york-times-domain-hijacking I've said it before--putting information on the web is like writing in sand. Thank heavens for the Wayback machine (which is why I support Brewster's efforts). However, it's far from perfect--in particular ftp content has apparently never been archived and many vendor's support pages have had robots.txt files preventing them from being archived. Still, it's better than nothing and I appreciate it. Were it more complete, I might not have to spend so much time reverse-engineering software. Try searching for some of the older, say, HP support pages. I'm pretty sure that some "executive' made the decision to pull all of the support material for old systems, as that doesn't contribute to the bottom line. The New HP Way. A nasty trend is adware sites are simply quoting text from a large number of now defunct pages; go to the link and you get the "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU ARE THE ONE BILLIONTH VISITOR!" page. Run, do not walk away. A more disturbing popular trend is information being placed in long-ish Youtube videos that could have been summarized concisely in a page of text. --Chuck
Re: Link Rot
link rot is weird in what disapears vs still works On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 6:45 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the > article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60% > Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of articles > but from sites, drivers, file repositories, etc > https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-york-times-domain-hijacking
Link Rot
Interesting article on Link Rot and its prevalence. According to the article even sources being referenced as early as 2018 have about a 60% Rot.I think all of us in this hobby can relate nor only to loss of articles but from sites, drivers, file repositories, etchttps://www.theverge.com/2021/5/21/22447690/link-rot-research-new-york-times-domain-hijacking
