RE: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull

[Dave Wade]

Sergio,

Lots of folks travel from UK to Spain with large vans and the rates are quite 
reasonable. I have just bought a house in Torrox near Malaga and have been 
looking at the oprions.

Dave
G4UGM

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of SPC
> Sent: 21 May 2016 13:04
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull
> 
> Congratulations, Pete. I'd like to put some day my hands in one of these but
> work and distance (Spain) make it complicated. Perhaps in some years from
> now.
> 
> Kind Regards
> Sergio

Re: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull (tony duell)

[Ian S. King]

Hey Pete,

I have software and documentation, too.  I really like my MINC.  My machine
is RX02 based, but I have a SCSI adapter for it.  One of these days, I'm
going to get around to either putting a real SCSI drive or a SCSI-to-SD
adapter in it.

If you have the 11/03 version, you need the earlier version of the MINC
software.  The 11/23 version needs a later version of the software, because
of some changes in the instruction set - not all PDP-11 processors were
created equal!  And RT-11 will indeed run fine on these.

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:37 AM, tony duell 
wrote:

>
> > Using a DW11-B to connect the MINC to a PDP-11/45 sounds fantastic!
>
> Believe-it-or-not I did it becuase I didn't have an RL11. I used the RLV11
> in the
> MINC to interface to the RL01s. Yes, that does work.
>
> > What a neat idea! I have all the MINC modules except the MNCTP
> > thermocouple interface and the MNCAM analog mux. With the modified
>
> I think the MNCAM is the only one I am missing.
> I have : MNCAD (ADC), MNCAA (DAC), MNCAG (preamplifier, MNCTP
> (Thermocouple amplifier), MNCDI (Digital Input), MNCDO (Digital
> Output) and MNCKW (Clock). Are there others?
>
>
> > BDV11 I've been able to boot 11/03, 11/23 and 11/73 CPUs. I run either
> > RT-11 and RSX11M by changing MicroSD cards on the UC07 / SCSI2SD
> > drives (configured as 4 150 MB drives). I understand some MINC-23s ran
> >  RSX and would love to find any drivers for RSX and the MINC modules.
>
> The MINC is a standard Q-bus system. The backplane looks odd, but it's
> just Qbus with CD interconnect. I can't remember if there is CD
> interconnect
> between the logic cards (in the right hand compartment with the silly
> notice
> on top [1]) and the MINC modules, but there is certainly CD interconnect
> between the logic boards (the RLV11 needs it for one thing) and between
> the MINC modules (that's how the clock gets to trigger the ADC and how
> the mux and preamplifiers feed the ADC). The rear 2 connectors of each
> MINC module are normal Qbus AFAIK.
>
> I've never seen RSX drivers for the MINC modules. There was a set of
> RT11 libraries, etc.
>
> -tony
>



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RE: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull (tony duell)

[tony duell]

> Using a DW11-B to connect the MINC to a PDP-11/45 sounds fantastic!

Believe-it-or-not I did it becuase I didn't have an RL11. I used the RLV11 in 
the 
MINC to interface to the RL01s. Yes, that does work. 

> What a neat idea! I have all the MINC modules except the MNCTP
> thermocouple interface and the MNCAM analog mux. With the modified

I think the MNCAM is the only one I am missing.
I have : MNCAD (ADC), MNCAA (DAC), MNCAG (preamplifier, MNCTP 
(Thermocouple amplifier), MNCDI (Digital Input), MNCDO (Digital
Output) and MNCKW (Clock). Are there others?


> BDV11 I've been able to boot 11/03, 11/23 and 11/73 CPUs. I run either
> RT-11 and RSX11M by changing MicroSD cards on the UC07 / SCSI2SD 
> drives (configured as 4 150 MB drives). I understand some MINC-23s ran
>  RSX and would love to find any drivers for RSX and the MINC modules.

The MINC is a standard Q-bus system. The backplane looks odd, but it's 
just Qbus with CD interconnect. I can't remember if there is CD interconnect
between the logic cards (in the right hand compartment with the silly notice
on top [1]) and the MINC modules, but there is certainly CD interconnect 
between the logic boards (the RLV11 needs it for one thing) and between
the MINC modules (that's how the clock gets to trigger the ADC and how
the mux and preamplifiers feed the ADC). The rear 2 connectors of each 
MINC module are normal Qbus AFAIK.

I've never seen RSX drivers for the MINC modules. There was a set of 
RT11 libraries, etc. 

-tony

RE: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull (tony duell)

[Mark Matlock]

> I would hope whoever gets it is prepared to exchange information. There is no 
> software with my machine, of course.


Pete,
 Congrats! Once you pick up the system feel free to contact me about 
getting copies of the limited software I have for the MINC at this time. They 
are great systems to experiment with.

Mark Matlock

> 
> In case anyone is worried I am keeping 2 MINCs myself. One is an RL01-based
> one that I have pulled the CPU, RAM and Bootstrap cards from and hung it off
> a DW11-B (Unibus-Qbus interface) on a PDP11/45 (yes, that does work!). I've 
> not
> got the 11/45 running after the house move, but it is all there and sorting 
> it out
> is just a matter of time The other MINC is a MINC-23 (PDP11/23 CPU board),
> with an RX02. I am also keeping at least one of every MINC module I have 
> ever owned, including MNCAG (analogue preamplifier) and MNCTP 
> (thermocouple interface).

Tony,
Using a DW11-B to connect the MINC to a PDP-11/45 sounds fantastic! What a 
neat idea! I have all the MINC modules except the MNCTP thermocouple interface 
and the MNCAM analog mux. With the modified BDV11 I've been able to boot 11/03, 
11/23 and 11/73 CPUs. I run either RT-11 and RSX11M by changing MicroSD cards 
on the UC07 / SCSI2SD drives (configured as 4 150 MB drives). I understand some 
MINC-23s ran RSX and would love to find any drivers for RSX and the MINC 
modules.

Mark Matlock

RE: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull

[Dave Wade]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Camiel
> Vanderhoeven
> Sent: 20 May 2016 23:59
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull
> 
> Op 20 mei 2016 8:12 a.m. schreef "tony duell" <a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk>:
> >
> >
> > Well, the Subject: line gives the result of by decision.  I have decided
> (after
> > much thought, it was not easy!) to give the surplus MINC to Pete. I wish
> I had
> > more spare MINCs so I could give each of you one.
> 
> Perfect. Thanks for letting us know.
> 
> Camiel.

Excellent,

Dave

Re: MINC is going to Pete Turnbull

[Camiel Vanderhoeven]

Op 20 mei 2016 8:12 a.m. schreef "tony duell" :
>
>
> Well, the Subject: line gives the result of by decision.  I have decided
(after
> much thought, it was not easy!) to give the surplus MINC to Pete. I wish
I had
> more spare MINCs so I could give each of you one.

Perfect. Thanks for letting us know.

Camiel.

MINC is going to Pete Turnbull

[tony duell]

Well, the Subject: line gives the result of by decision.  I have decided (after
much thought, it was not easy!) to give the surplus MINC to Pete. I wish I had
more spare MINCs so I could give each of you one.

Perhaps the only consolation is that there may well be other machines up for
grabs as I continue to sort out.

Pete, we need to agree a time for collection.

Thanks to everyone who responded. 

-tony