RE: Magnetic media FTGH!

[Rob Jarratt]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse
> Sent: 27 November 2016 21:41
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Magnetic media FTGH!
> 
> >>> The trouble is I am in the UK, [...]
> >> Yes, that was what I thought the major barrier to just dropping them
> >> on you was [...]
> > Any idea of weight and dimensions?
> 
> For the whole lot, well, "two paper boxes".  I don't know whethe it works
the
> same way on your side of the pond, but, over here, 8.5"x11"
> printer/copier paper comes in boxes that are approximately 9"x11.5"x17.5".
> I've got two such boxes, each approximately full.
> 
> That, though, is, as I say, the whole lot.  Just the tapes you listed,
probably
> significantly less, but I haven't gone through and picked them out to see
how
> much less.
> 


I suppose I was thinking about the whole lot, because who knows what
interesting things there might be. However, if that proves prohibitive then
I will take the time to review your list and pick the ones that look to be
the most important. But first I assume we want to see if you can find a
local taker, right?

Regards

Rob

RE: Magnetic media FTGH!

[Rob Jarratt]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse
> Sent: 27 November 2016 00:25
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Magnetic media FTGH!
> 
> >> Back in October, I wrote that I had two boxes of magnetic media that
> >> were not worth - to me - the space they were taking up.
> 
> >> This drew a note from one Rob Jarratt, [...]
> 
> > That was me replying. I have the drives to read TK50 (a hazardous and
> > unreliable process these days), not sure about the others.  The
> > trouble is I am in the UK, I know you are reluctant to ship, and *I*
> > am reluctant to pay a lot for shipping across the pond.
> 
> Yes, that was what I thought the major barrier to just dropping them on
you
> was


Any idea of weight and dimensions?

Thanks

Rob

RE: Magnetic media FTGH!

[Rob Jarratt]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse
> Sent: 27 November 2016 00:25
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Magnetic media FTGH!
> 
> >> Back in October, I wrote that I had two boxes of magnetic media that
> >> were not worth - to me - the space they were taking up.
> 
> >> This drew a note from one Rob Jarratt, [...]
> 
> > That was me replying. I have the drives to read TK50 (a hazardous and
> > unreliable process these days), not sure about the others.  The
> > trouble is I am in the UK, I know you are reluctant to ship, and *I*
> > am reluctant to pay a lot for shipping across the pond.
> 
> Yes, that was what I thought the major barrier to just dropping them on
you
> was.
> 
> > However, if you don't get any takers, can we discuss the option of
> > sending them to me?
> 
> Sure.  I'll send you mail offlist; this is somewhat in the nature of a
heads-up,
> so if you don't get the offlist mail you'll know something's wrong.
> 


I got the offlist email and have sent a reply. Let's see whether you get it
or not.

Regards

Rob

Re: Magnetic media FTGH!

[Mouse]

>> Back in October, I wrote that I had two boxes of magnetic media that
>> were not worth - to me - the space they were taking up.

>> This drew a note from one Rob Jarratt, [...]

> That was me replying. I have the drives to read TK50 (a hazardous and
> unreliable process these days), not sure about the others.  The
> trouble is I am in the UK, I know you are reluctant to ship, and *I*
> am reluctant to pay a lot for shipping across the pond.

Yes, that was what I thought the major barrier to just dropping them on
you was.

> However, if you don't get any takers, can we discuss the option of
> sending them to me?

Sure.  I'll send you mail offlist; this is somewhat in the nature of a
heads-up, so if you don't get the offlist mail you'll know something's
wrong.

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RE: Magnetic media FTGH!

[Rob Jarratt]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mouse
> Sent: 26 November 2016 17:28
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Magnetic media FTGH!
> 
> Back in October, I wrote that I had two boxes of magnetic media that were
> not worth - to me - the space they were taking up.
> 
> This drew a note from one Rob Jarratt, saying
> 
> > I think the Ultrix and FORTRAN tapes have got to be worth saving
> > whatever happens, and possibly the MicroVMS ones too, [...].  [...]
> > please don't get rid of those particular media without giving someone
> > the opportunity to image them.
> 
> I haven't heard from anyone, and I can't really hang onto these
indefinitely in
> the hope that a nebulous "someone" will show up to image them.  As I wrote
> in October, I didn't have a system that could image any of them, and that
> hasn't changed since then.
> 
> I know there are at least a few of us in/near Ottawa; if any of them read
this
> and are willing to help out, possibly by imaging the tapes, possibly by
just
> taking over keeping them, possibly something else, I'd love to hear about
it.  I
> too think it would be good to preserve the data...BUT not to the extent of
> overriding my need to pare back the space my *ahem* "collection" is
> occupying.  I think the end of the year is about as long as I can wait
without
> hearing anything.
> 
> Given email's unreliability these days, I'd also like to leave more than
just
> email as a way of getting hold of me.  +1-613-482-0910 should either reach
> me or take a message.
> 


That was me replying. I have the drives to read TK50 (a hazardous and
unreliable process these days), not sure about the others. The trouble is I
am in the UK, I know you are reluctant to ship, and *I* am reluctant to pay
a lot for shipping across the pond.

However, if you don't get any takers, can we discuss the option of sending
them to me?

Regards

Rob

Re: Magnetic media FTGH!

[Mouse]

Back in October, I wrote that I had two boxes of magnetic media that
were not worth - to me - the space they were taking up.

This drew a note from one Rob Jarratt, saying

> I think the Ultrix and FORTRAN tapes have got to be worth saving
> whatever happens, and possibly the MicroVMS ones too, [...].  [...]
> please don't get rid of those particular media without giving someone
> the opportunity to image them.

I haven't heard from anyone, and I can't really hang onto these
indefinitely in the hope that a nebulous "someone" will show up to
image them.  As I wrote in October, I didn't have a system that could
image any of them, and that hasn't changed since then.

I know there are at least a few of us in/near Ottawa; if any of them
read this and are willing to help out, possibly by imaging the tapes,
possibly by just taking over keeping them, possibly something else, I'd
love to hear about it.  I too think it would be good to preserve the
data...BUT not to the extent of overriding my need to pare back the
space my *ahem* "collection" is occupying.  I think the end of the year
is about as long as I can wait without hearing anything.

Given email's unreliability these days, I'd also like to leave more
than just email as a way of getting hold of me.  +1-613-482-0910 should
either reach me or take a message.

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RE: Magnetic media FTGH!

[Rob Jarratt]

> 
> This is all in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.  In general, I suck at getting
things
> shipped; local pickup, either in person or by proxy, is much preferred.  I
can
> try to find the round tuits to ship, but it's usually a losing proposition
(I have
> at least two boxes of stuff that have been awaiting shipment for months at
> this point).
> 
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I think the Ultrix and FORTRAN tapes have got to be worth saving whatever
happens, and possibly the MicroVMS ones too, even though it appears the
latter may have been overwritten. Sadly I am in the UK and don't have a
proxy in Ottawa, but please don't get rid of those particular media without
giving someone the opportunity to image them.

Regards

Rob

Re: Magnetic media FTGH!

[Ian S. King]

I would love to acquire the Ultrix tapes, but I can't think of any proxies
I have in Ottawa.  Does Canada have anything like the USPS' 'express'
boxes?  Or hey, I can wait  -- Ian

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Mouse  wrote:

> I've just dug out and inventoried two boxes of magnetic media.  A
> little of it is not mine; a little more is stuff I'd like copies of if
> I can make it happen.
>
> But most of it is just going to leave soon, one way or another.  I'd
> rather see it go to someone who can actually use it, but it is not
> worth the costs of keeping it around to me.  I do not currently have
> any system on which I can check the contents of any of these (while
> it's possible I might get one or more set up, I can't count on it, and
> it's unlikely to happen soon).  So, while the labeling might be
> accurate, it also might not.
>
> There are a bunch of TK50s (or something similar; I know there are
> other, similar, tapes, some similar enough to fool a quick inspection;
> I didn't look in detail to be sure every one is a TK50).  They have
> labels, some printed, some scribbled, some carefully handwritten.
> Here, \ indicates a line break.
>
> SW/gnu \ Nov 28/91
> /usr/local \ 91/10/26
> 6.0 +  797493
> ULTRIX V4.2 \ SUPPORTED SUBSETS \ VOL. 1
> ULTRIX V4.2 \ SUPPORTED SUBSETS \ VOL. 2
> Sunclock \ 91/11/21
> AQ-PE1F0-01 C01 \ DEC FORT ULTRIX V3.2 BIN \ TK50
> AQ-PE1F0-01 \ DEC FORT ULTRIX V3.2 BIN \ TK50
> ULTRIX V4.2 \ MANDATORY UPGRADE
> Kermit5A \ 91/11/21
> DEC FORTRAN \ V3.0   (crossed out and "obsolete" written in)
> K2  /usr/local \ 1991/03/14
> LOTUS 1-2-3 \ 91/11/19
> /usr/users \ 91/10/20
> swTeX.tar.Z \ 91/11/02
> ULTRIX V4.2 \ UNSUPPORTED SUBSETS
>
> There are numerous quarter-inch cartridge tapes (the DC600 formfactor;
> many are DC600s or DC600As, but some are other sizes/lengths/formats).
>
> Some have no label.  Three of these have absolutely no label, not even
> a manufacturer/brand label.  Nine more have a brand label but no
> indication of their contents.  One has a printed label which has been
> ripped off enough that all I'm sure of is that it had the usual
> boilerplate text for US Government users.  Two others have ripped-off
> labels; on one, all that remains legible is "tix" at the end of a word;
> the other, I can see enough of a logo to be fairly sure it was an
> Accelr8 label.
>
> Four more have labels that are short and simple enough to fit on a
> single line:
>
> 89/02/22(F) ISC0D0S0
> TO BE CHECKED
> 89/02/17   ISC0D0S0
> /files!execlude  ./digests  &  ./misc90/10/08   cd /files
>
> Twenty-six tapes are labeled with just their sizes.  These are written
> in my hand, so I feel fairly sure they are the result of me
> capcity-testing the tapes:
>
> SIZE: 30605 ×512
> SIZE: 30643 ×512
> SIZE: 30611 ×512
> SIZE: 30730 ×512
> SIZE: 30730 ×512
> SIZE: 114081 ×512
> SIZE: 115168 ×512
> SIZE: 116769 ×512
> SIZE: 118878 ×512
> SIZE: 119721 ×512
> SIZE: 119870 ×512
> SIZE: 119891 ×512
> SIZE: 120345 ×512
> SIZE: 120352 ×512
> SIZE: 120412 ×512
> SIZE: 120586 ×512
> SIZE: 120741 ×512
> SIZE: 120756 ×512
> SIZE: 121719 ×512
> SIZE: 121722 ×512
> SIZE: 121917 ×512
> SIZE: 122116 ×512
> SIZE: 122343 ×512
> SIZE: 122608 ×512
> SIZE: 122664 ×512
> 201796×512
>
> Five more have sticky-notes (one on the box, one on the tape) and a
> size sticker.  I _think_ the 3.5 here refers to version 3.5 or
> something (SunOS is a likely candidate).
>
> --
> sticky-note:3.5
> sticky-note:Tape 1
> sticker:SIZE: 121372 ×512
> --
> sticky-note:3.5
> sticky-note:Tape 2
> sticker:SIZE: 118586 ×512
> --
> sticky-note:3.5
> sticky-note:Tape 3
> sticker:SIZE: 119293 ×512
> --
> sticky-note:3.5
> sticky-note:Tape 4
> sticker:SIZE: 122624 ×512
> --
> sticky-note:3.5
> sticky-note:Tape 5
> sticker:SIZE: 120216 ×512
> --
>
> The rest are a grab-bag:
>
> --
> NESTAR SYSTEMS INCORPORATED
> S.O. # INT4406 PLAN 5000 (tm)
>Boot Utility Tape QIC24
> SERIAL # 6050221   SYSTEM RELEASE 5.2
> (C)  1982-1986  NESTAR SYSTEMS, INC.
> --
> NESTAR SYSTEMS INCORPORATED
> S.O. # INT4406 PLAN  000 (tm)
> PLANPAK # 712  IA BACKUP TAPE QIC
> SERIAL # 6060238   SYSTEM RELEASE 5
> (C)  1982-1986  NESTAR SYSTEMS, INC.
> --
> Nestar Systems, Inc.
> Subsidiary of DSC Communications Corporation
> PLAN Series (tm)
> Boot Uility Tape QIC-24
> FS# UPGRADE Star Plus FS Release 1.10
>160-12676-002
>(c)1982-1988 DSC Nestar Inc
> --
> 

Magnetic media FTGH!

[Mouse]

I've just dug out and inventoried two boxes of magnetic media.  A
little of it is not mine; a little more is stuff I'd like copies of if
I can make it happen.

But most of it is just going to leave soon, one way or another.  I'd
rather see it go to someone who can actually use it, but it is not
worth the costs of keeping it around to me.  I do not currently have
any system on which I can check the contents of any of these (while
it's possible I might get one or more set up, I can't count on it, and
it's unlikely to happen soon).  So, while the labeling might be
accurate, it also might not.

There are a bunch of TK50s (or something similar; I know there are
other, similar, tapes, some similar enough to fool a quick inspection;
I didn't look in detail to be sure every one is a TK50).  They have
labels, some printed, some scribbled, some carefully handwritten.
Here, \ indicates a line break.

SW/gnu \ Nov 28/91
/usr/local \ 91/10/26
6.0 +  797493
ULTRIX V4.2 \ SUPPORTED SUBSETS \ VOL. 1
ULTRIX V4.2 \ SUPPORTED SUBSETS \ VOL. 2
Sunclock \ 91/11/21
AQ-PE1F0-01 C01 \ DEC FORT ULTRIX V3.2 BIN \ TK50
AQ-PE1F0-01 \ DEC FORT ULTRIX V3.2 BIN \ TK50
ULTRIX V4.2 \ MANDATORY UPGRADE
Kermit5A \ 91/11/21
DEC FORTRAN \ V3.0   (crossed out and "obsolete" written in)
K2  /usr/local \ 1991/03/14
LOTUS 1-2-3 \ 91/11/19
/usr/users \ 91/10/20
swTeX.tar.Z \ 91/11/02
ULTRIX V4.2 \ UNSUPPORTED SUBSETS

There are numerous quarter-inch cartridge tapes (the DC600 formfactor;
many are DC600s or DC600As, but some are other sizes/lengths/formats).

Some have no label.  Three of these have absolutely no label, not even
a manufacturer/brand label.  Nine more have a brand label but no
indication of their contents.  One has a printed label which has been
ripped off enough that all I'm sure of is that it had the usual
boilerplate text for US Government users.  Two others have ripped-off
labels; on one, all that remains legible is "tix" at the end of a word;
the other, I can see enough of a logo to be fairly sure it was an
Accelr8 label.

Four more have labels that are short and simple enough to fit on a
single line:

89/02/22(F) ISC0D0S0
TO BE CHECKED
89/02/17   ISC0D0S0
/files!execlude  ./digests  &  ./misc90/10/08   cd /files

Twenty-six tapes are labeled with just their sizes.  These are written
in my hand, so I feel fairly sure they are the result of me
capcity-testing the tapes:

SIZE: 30605 ×512
SIZE: 30643 ×512
SIZE: 30611 ×512
SIZE: 30730 ×512
SIZE: 30730 ×512
SIZE: 114081 ×512
SIZE: 115168 ×512
SIZE: 116769 ×512
SIZE: 118878 ×512
SIZE: 119721 ×512
SIZE: 119870 ×512
SIZE: 119891 ×512
SIZE: 120345 ×512
SIZE: 120352 ×512
SIZE: 120412 ×512
SIZE: 120586 ×512
SIZE: 120741 ×512
SIZE: 120756 ×512
SIZE: 121719 ×512
SIZE: 121722 ×512
SIZE: 121917 ×512
SIZE: 122116 ×512
SIZE: 122343 ×512
SIZE: 122608 ×512
SIZE: 122664 ×512
201796×512

Five more have sticky-notes (one on the box, one on the tape) and a
size sticker.  I _think_ the 3.5 here refers to version 3.5 or
something (SunOS is a likely candidate).

--
sticky-note:3.5
sticky-note:Tape 1
sticker:SIZE: 121372 ×512
--
sticky-note:3.5
sticky-note:Tape 2
sticker:SIZE: 118586 ×512
--
sticky-note:3.5
sticky-note:Tape 3
sticker:SIZE: 119293 ×512
--
sticky-note:3.5
sticky-note:Tape 4
sticker:SIZE: 122624 ×512
--
sticky-note:3.5
sticky-note:Tape 5
sticker:SIZE: 120216 ×512
--

The rest are a grab-bag:

--
NESTAR SYSTEMS INCORPORATED
S.O. # INT4406 PLAN 5000 (tm)
   Boot Utility Tape QIC24
SERIAL # 6050221   SYSTEM RELEASE 5.2
(C)  1982-1986  NESTAR SYSTEMS, INC.
--
NESTAR SYSTEMS INCORPORATED
S.O. # INT4406 PLAN  000 (tm)
PLANPAK # 712  IA BACKUP TAPE QIC
SERIAL # 6060238   SYSTEM RELEASE 5
(C)  1982-1986  NESTAR SYSTEMS, INC.
--
Nestar Systems, Inc.
Subsidiary of DSC Communications Corporation
PLAN Series (tm)
Boot Uility Tape QIC-24
FS# UPGRADE Star Plus FS Release 1.10
   160-12676-002
   (c)1982-1988 DSC Nestar Inc
--
various indistinct writing; legible bits include:
90/2/19
/FICRSI
90/04/10
DIGEST
NeXT, SUN-SPOTS, SUN-386i
92/12/19
--
/HOME/ICH10/10/90 , 11/17/90, 16/15/90  1/30/91  2/1/91
 22.4.91
--
3/15, 5/8, 7/26 (various further dates and words crossed out)
SUG89 (INTERESTING STUFF ONLY)  90/12/16
--
IFUJ1   IFUJ1 90/03/19  TAR HOME/ICH  92/12/10
89/3/8  MPAQUETT  90/04/30