Re: Motor generator-audiofools

2021-05-07 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 7:20 PM ben via cctalk  wrote:

> >
> Well I am a Audio-Fool. Like they say "A fool and his money.. ".
> Secret word of the day "ElectroStatic Speakers".

I  do not consider that to be audiophoolery.

The charateristics of a particular electrostatic speaker are
measurable. They are also different in some respects to those of a
moving coil cone speaker, no matter what cabinet it is used in (which
of course makes a big difference). They will sound different to a
movng coil speaker system, and if you prefer that sound then that's
what you should listen to. Far too many people forget that the real
purpose of your audio system is not to be technically perfect but to
reproduce sounds that you enjoy listening to. It is to give pleasure.

There is something of an interest in the UK (at least) in the cheap
1960s record players of the 'Dansette' type. Techically they are
terrible. A cheap autochanger, a cystal or ceramic cartridge, a simple
amplfier based round either an outpur pentode (1 stage) or if you are
lucky a triode-pentode (2 stages) and a single small-ish speaker in a
cabinet with no acoustical merit whatsoever.

BUT... it's nostalgia. People remember listening to such players back
in the day, perhaps dancing with a person they later married.
Remembering that gives pleasure. Which as I said is the real reason
for such a device n the first place.

To me audiophoolery is things that can't be measured and can't make a
difference to the sound (or if they do, then something is serously
wrong with the design). Like special mains cables, when there are
several hundred metres (at least) between the final substation
transformer and the wall socket outlet. And if the amplifier is so
sensitive to small fluctuations of the mains input then the PSU of
said amplifier needs to be redesigned properly.

-tony


Re: Motor generator-audiofools

2021-05-07 Thread ben via cctalk

On 5/6/2021 8:00 AM, David Barto via cctalk wrote:

I don’t refer to them as Audio-phools.

They are GESR’s. (pronounced guesser)

Golden
Eared
Sonic
Reviewers

They guess this sounds better than that, so it must be worth it.

David


On May 5, 2021, at 6:31 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk  wrote:

I think a lot of the time audio-phools, if they will be honest with themselves, 
are really trying to recreate the stereo (or even HiFi) sounds of the 1960s 
because they have fond memories and like it better.  THAT I have no problem 
with whatsoever.

What gets annoying is when the phools try and convince others that this old gear somehow 
more accurately reproduces recordings or that the "fleecy" stuff referred to 
actually makes things better.  Oh well.

JRJ



Well I am a Audio-Fool. Like they say "A fool and his money.. ".
Secret word of the day "ElectroStatic Speakers".
I suspect 90% of the old sound is from the distortion of the speakers 
and the audio equipment clipping. I have had my audio system for the 
last few years, now to start upgrading to better computer, I have yet to 
find it. Some how a pie computer emulating a PDP 8 does not feel quite 
right.

Ben.