Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Kevin Lee via cctalk]

Speaking of GRC… Steve posted that he just got married a few days ago.. 

congrats.. to Steve :) 



> On 12 Apr 2021, at 14:40, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> tor 2021-04-01 klockan 12:15 -0600 skrev Grant Taylor via cctalk:
>> On 4/1/21 11:36 AM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:
>>> what Newsreader programs do people use on Windows?
>> 
>> I run Linux, so I don't have first hand experience with news readers
>> on 
>> Windows.  But I do know that people use the following:
>> 
>>   - Gravity (S.G. is updating it at GRC; 
>> https://www.grc.com/discussions.htm)
>>   - Thunderbird (I use this on Linux)
>>   - Xnews (I think?)
>> 
>> I know that there are a lot more GUI options on Windows than there
>> are 
>> on Linux.
>> 
>> There is probably also the option of using the TUI news readers in /
>> via 
>> Windows Services for Linux (?is that the proper name for /today/?).
>> 
> 
> Do gnus work in GNU Emacs running native on windows ?
> 

Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Stefan Skoglund via cctalk]

tor 2021-04-01 klockan 12:15 -0600 skrev Grant Taylor via cctalk:
> On 4/1/21 11:36 AM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:
> > what Newsreader programs do people use on Windows?
> 
> I run Linux, so I don't have first hand experience with news readers
> on 
> Windows.  But I do know that people use the following:
> 
>   - Gravity (S.G. is updating it at GRC; 
> https://www.grc.com/discussions.htm)
>   - Thunderbird (I use this on Linux)
>   - Xnews (I think?)
> 
> I know that there are a lot more GUI options on Windows than there
> are 
> on Linux.
> 
> There is probably also the option of using the TUI news readers in /
> via 
> Windows Services for Linux (?is that the proper name for /today/?).
> 

Do gnus work in GNU Emacs running native on windows ?

Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 4/4/21 1:32 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:

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Oh well.

Bitten by the altered Reply-To.

Glad I didn't say anything I mind being public.

Sorry for the noise.



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Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

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On 4/4/21 2:41 AM, John Many Jars via cctalk wrote:
I kind of wrote my own.  I sign my BBS up to the usenet groups I want 
to read and it treats them like message boards...


Nicely done!

Not exactly Windows (more like Linux) but it's what I use ON Windows 
to read Usenet.


I'm going to count it.



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Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Kevin Bowling via cctalk]

You can make a pretty nice native command line environment on Windows with
“Windows Terminal” from Microsoft and the Chocolatey package manager (which
is like homebrew for Mac or similar to apt for Debian).  There is also WSL
which lets you run a native Linux distro in a fairly integrated way.  If
you are into all that tin might be a good choice.

Otherwise I have had good luck with Thunderbird as a Usenet client on any
platform it is available.

Regards,
Kevin

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:36 AM Rob Jarratt via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I am hesitant to post this because I don't want to start a massive debate,
> but what Newsreader programs do people use on Windows?
>
>
>
> I don't want to use Google Groups because it wants me to sign in to Google.
> I am generally reluctant to use a browser based reader because it will want
> to track me. So I am after an installable client.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>

Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I kind of wrote my own.  I sign my BBS up to the usenet groups I want to
read and it treats them like message boards...

Not exactly Windows (more like Linux) but it's what I use ON Windows to
read Usenet.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 00:23, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > There is probably also the option of using the TUI news readers in / via
> > Windows Services for Linux (?is that the proper name for /today/?).
>
>  I have never used that port myself, but there's PC-Alpine worth
> considering, which I believe uses native Windows networking services and
> also has a classic touch to it.  Compilation instructions are here:
> , or
> check:  or:
>  for
> 64-bit and 32-bit x86 binaries respectively (checksums are published at
> ).
>
>  Naturally it handles both e-mail and news, and you can cross-post if you
> feel like.
>
>  FWIW,
>
>   Maciej
>


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Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk]

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:

> There is probably also the option of using the TUI news readers in / via
> Windows Services for Linux (?is that the proper name for /today/?).

 I have never used that port myself, but there's PC-Alpine worth 
considering, which I believe uses native Windows networking services and 
also has a classic touch to it.  Compilation instructions are here: 
, or 
check:  or: 
 for 
64-bit and 32-bit x86 binaries respectively (checksums are published at 
).

 Naturally it handles both e-mail and news, and you can cross-post if you 
feel like.

 FWIW,

  Maciej

Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 4/1/21 10:34 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
Considering my original USENET access was at $6 per hour, I’m not 
entirely sure I agree. :-)  Then again that’s also why we used to be 
able to download and upload messages for offline reading.


I was referring to being connected while reading.

Seeing as how dumb terminals / emulators couldn't do anything without 
being connected, you had to pay while reading.


Downloading messages for offline reading without being connected is 
contrary to the quintessential mainframe as I understand it throughout 
the 90s.


Yes, people paid for access to Usenet.  But that's not the same thing as 
paying for screen time to read.




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Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk]

Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:



On Apr 1, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk  
wrote:

On 4/1/21 12:51 PM, Zane Healy wrote:

Did USENET news readers exist for IBM Mainframes?

I don't know.

Spending time reading Usenet (sometimes of questionable value) on a system that 
frequently charged for access seems counterproductive to me.


Considering my original USENET access was at $6 per hour, I’m not entirely sure 
I agree. :-)  Then again that’s also why we used to be able to download and 
upload messages for offline reading.

Zane

My USENET reading in the late 80's and early 90's was crucial to my 
development as a numerical scientist, way before there were other 
venues.  At the time, one would "download" packages from NETLIB by 
sending an email with the right commands to the NETLIB mail server and 
would receive an email with pure-ascii-encoded files... additionally to 
the comp.sources* hyerarchy...  and I recall that many of the people in 
this list posted back then.


carlos.

Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 4/1/21 12:51 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
>> Did USENET news readers exist for IBM Mainframes?
> 
> I don't know.
> 
> Spending time reading Usenet (sometimes of questionable value) on a system 
> that frequently charged for access seems counterproductive to me.


Considering my original USENET access was at $6 per hour, I’m not entirely sure 
I agree. :-)  Then again that’s also why we used to be able to download and 
upload messages for offline reading.

Zane

Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 4/1/21 12:51 PM, Zane Healy wrote:

Did USENET news readers exist for IBM Mainframes?


I don't know.

Spending time reading Usenet (sometimes of questionable value) on a 
system that frequently charged for access seems counterproductive to me.




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Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> - Gravity (S.G. is updating it at GRC; https://www.grc.com/discussions.htm)
> - Thunderbird (I use this on Linux)
> - Xnews (I think?)

Sadly “Xnews" for Windows hasn’t been updated in 15 years, it was pretty good 
when I was using it for a short while.  It’s old enough now that it’s ontopic 
for this list, if you use the lists original definition of “classic”, which was 
more than 10 years old.

I like “Unison” on the Mac side, but it’s another one that hasn’t seen an 
update in years.

On UNIX, I’ve been using “tin" for nearly 30 years.

At this point, I wouldn’t recommend trying to read USENET on OpenVMS, there are 
a couple readers, but they’re even older than “Xnews”.

I’m not sure what’s currently available for AmigaOS, TOS, RiscOS, or Haiku 
(BeOS).

Did USENET news readers exist for IBM Mainframes?

Zane

Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 4/1/21 11:36 AM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:

what Newsreader programs do people use on Windows?


I run Linux, so I don't have first hand experience with news readers on 
Windows.  But I do know that people use the following:


 - Gravity (S.G. is updating it at GRC; 
https://www.grc.com/discussions.htm)

 - Thunderbird (I use this on Linux)
 - Xnews (I think?)

I know that there are a lot more GUI options on Windows than there are 
on Linux.


There is probably also the option of using the TUI news readers in / via 
Windows Services for Linux (?is that the proper name for /today/?).




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Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[geneb via cctalk]

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote:


I am hesitant to post this because I don't want to start a massive debate,
but what Newsreader programs do people use on Windows?


Rob, you might want to give Xananews a shot.

https://github.com/graemeg/xananews

g.

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OT: Newsreader for Windows

[Rob Jarratt via cctalk]

I am hesitant to post this because I don't want to start a massive debate,
but what Newsreader programs do people use on Windows?

 

I don't want to use Google Groups because it wants me to sign in to Google.
I am generally reluctant to use a browser based reader because it will want
to track me. So I am after an installable client.

 

Thanks

 

Rob