R: Advice Requested on Life Expectancy of a PC Windows System

2015-06-30 Thread Mazzini Alessandro
The problem with sitting idle for long time is the same as with old systems
: caps can get dry and destabilize, leading to invisible or visible issues.
The videocard missing the 2nd output can be just that, but it's easy for you
to check (by swapping the B videocard and making sure that it's an hw issue
vs a software one).
This said, we could discuss about the quality of the hw... would a new i7
have quality components, or just so so ones ? I suppose it depends on the
maker/product line/etc, but you could end with something that would not even
reach 7y.
If considering an upgrade, why not looking for a good bargain for a xeon
54x0 / 56x0 system, that would be subject to a good level of quality parts ?
(or a bit newer, too, obviously)
(anyway first I would wait for the Q9550 to die)

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Oggetto: Advice Requested on Life Expectancy of a PC Windows System

I would appreciate some advice on both the software and the hardware life
expectancy of a PC Windows System.  While the hardware / software of the
second and third system are almost 10 years old, I don't consider them, let
alone the first system, topics for this list.  But since my goal is to
support running legacy software, especially including the RT-11 operating
system for the PDP-11 computer, I request your indulgence.

At present, I have three systems that I am running:

(a)  A 12 year old system that I am very pleased with that runs
  32-bit Windows 98SE.  I really only use it for e-mail under
  Netscape 7.2 and to run the DOS variant of Erstaz-11 in
  FULL  SCREEN mode.  It consists of a 0.75 GHz Pentium III
  with 768 MB of memory and 3 * 131 GB ATA 100 hard drives.
  The power supply has been replaced, but is still inadequate,
  so a separate PC power supply is used to run the hard drives
  which were also replaced about 5 years ago - the original
  hard drives were only 40 GB each.  Note that while this
  system is a bit slow as compared to the next two systems
  (which are about 4 times faster), it really does everything
  I need to do.  PLUS, the backups are a breeze since I use
  Ghost 7.0 to back up the C: hard drive in about 5 minutes
  every other day producing a single image file of about 1 GB.

(b)  A 7 year old system that my wife uses which runs 32-bit
   WinXP with 4 GB of memory and 2 * 500 GB SATA
   hard drives.  The CPU is a 2.67 GHz E8400 with 2 cores
   and 6 MB of L2 cache, so it still runs reasonably well.
   My wife uses it for e-mail, watching youtube videos and
   google searches.  The system has probably been used
   about 16 hours every day and turned off every night.
   The battery probably needs to be replaced since the
   boot each day needs to reset the date / time when the
   boot hangs at the very start, but otherwise the hardware
   seems OK.  The software is very out of date and needs
   to be replaced.  Note that if 7 years is not a really long
   time for a WinXP system (specifically the motherboard,
   video card and power supply) which has been used for
   between 20,000 and 30,000 hours, then I could upgrade
   this system to 64-bit Win7, double the memory to 8 GB
   and, if appropriate, also replace the disk drives and the
   power supply.  The mother board, video card (which
   supports two monitors) and CPU would be retained.
   System (c) has the identical motherboard as system (b)
   and was considered a replacement.

(c)  A 7 year old system which runs 32-bit WinXP with 4 GB
   of memory and 3 * 1 TB SATA hard drives.  The CPU
is a 2.83 GHz Q9550 with 4 cores and 12 MB of L2
   cache, so it runs reasonably well.  The system was never
   used very much, probably a total of 200 to 500 hours
   and sat in its box for the past 4 or 5 years until I have
   finally been persuaded to upgrade to 64-bit Win7 and
   double the total RAM to 8 GB, the maximum the mother
   board supports.  I just turned on the system yesterday
   and it runs correctly.  My assumption at the moment is
   to upgrade to 64-bit Win7 and replace my wife's system.
   One aspect that puzzles me is that the video card, the
   same video card as in system (b), no longer supports
   two monitors (which it did and was correctly tested with
   5 years ago).

My first question is if a 7 years old system such a (c) would be likely to
have any serious hardware problems after sitting idle for 4 to 5 years.  I
can't see that any current I7  CPU from Intel is likely to be much better,
so why buy another system?
The hardware has been used sufficiently, so infant mortality should
finished.  But, would a new I7 system be a sufficient improvement 

R: Advice Requested on Life Expectancy of a PC Windows System

2015-06-30 Thread Mazzini Alessandro
Parallels for windows is no more since years, now there's only the mac
version :(

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Oggetto: RE: Advice Requested on Life Expectancy of a PC Windows System

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Dave G4UGM wrote:

 .. its really great fun Only OS/2 is a little truculent

Have you tried Parallels for hosting OS/2?  It was developed originally for
the Russian banking system to get their OS/2 based legacy software on to
modern hardware.

OS/2 worked flawlessly for me when I tried it several years back.  YMMV with
newer releases.



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Re: R: Advice Requested on Life Expectancy of a PC Windows System

2015-06-30 Thread Steven Hirsch

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Mazzini Alessandro wrote:


Parallels for windows is no more since years, now there's only the mac
version :(


And I was referring to the 32-bit Linux version, so certainly dated 
information :-).



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