Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
> From: Liam Proven > This is what makes a PDP-11/35 or PDP-11/40 tick. It turns out to be > 441 ICs. I wondered if it was fair to list the DEC 23B00A2, etc that hold the ucode as separate parts; they might have been a bunch of 256x4 PROMs, and the separate part numbers were just for the different programming. (Whether differently programmed PROMs count as 'different' parts for the purposes of this table I leave aside.) Looking at my M7232 card, though, I think they may be masked ROMs; the only part number on them looks like a manufacturer applied one with the DEC number. Interestingly, about a third are MMI parts, and the rest are NS. I wonder if neither manufacturer had enough capacity alone, or if DEC just wanted multiple sourcing. (The parts appear to be basically the same, in terms of speed, format, etc so it appears either could have provided any of them, modulo the programme.) Noel
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 01:42, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > IFF your old post had a solution! (rather than being an unresolved > query) https://xkcd.com/979/ There are a couple of things now where I know that if I try to find sources, I'll find myself. The details of how id Software's game /Quake/ killed Cyrix, the CPU company, because Quake used a very clever method of interleaving FP ops with integer ops that didn't use the same registers, allowing the Pentium core to essentially run them at once. The Cyrix 6x86 core was quicker -- I bought one myself, what more can I say -- but it couldn't interleave FP and int ops like that, so it ran Quake like a dog. And as Quake was *the* most demanding game around in 1996 or so, and had a super convenient built-in "timedemo" feature, all the magazine's benchmarks used Quake. So 6x86s got hammered, even though on literally *ALL* OTHER X86-32 CODE THEY WERE QUICKER, they got bad reviews, and Cyrix ended up getting acquired by Via. Or the problems with AMD fglrx on a Toshiba Satellite Pro P300A. That'll be me, too. The weirdest one, though, was when I was given the honour (?) of moderating my first item at the World SF Convention. It was a collection of silly games. I'd never heard of one of them. I Googled it. I got my own blog as the № 2 or № 3 hit. _That_ was odd. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 23:23, ben via cctalk wrote: > > As froghorn leghorn once said. "That was a Joke son" ... Foghorn. Because of his loud voice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foghorn_Leghorn A foghorn is a big loud, well, horn... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foghorn And a Leghorn is a kind of chicken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leghorn_chicken Leghorn chickens are from Livorno in Italy which is apparently anglicised as "Leghorn", at which point I run out of explanations. Gotta say, though, Ben, it didn't _look_ like a joke... -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, Ian McLaughlin via cctalk wrote: Almost as bad as desperately looking for a fix for something, and coming across your own posting from 15 years ago with the solution :) IFF your old post had a solution! (rather than being an unresolved query) A related anecdote (that must surely happen often to ARD, Chuck, Allison, and a few others), . . . A friend of mine did hobbyist holography, with a ton of sand in a waterbed frame on stacks of tires, . . . There used to be only one REAL professional photography supplier in the area, where you could get sheet film, glass plates, etc. One time, she noticed an Eastman glass plate emulsion that she hadn't seen before, so she asked the staff about it. "Well, I personally don't know anything about it, but I hear that we have a customer who knows EVERYTHING about that stuff, and we'll get them in touch with you!" When she got home, there was a message on her answering machine, "Hi, this is George at Alpha Photo. We have a customer who wants to know about a new Eastman glass plate emulsion. Would you mind telling them what you know?" Guess what? YOU are the expert that they will put you in touch with.
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM ben wrote: > On 6/11/2019 2:55 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > > > > > There are no banner ads on ycombinator, nor on Seth's site. I suspect > > you have malware somewhere in your system or on your network. > > As froghorn leghorn once said. "That was a Joke son" ... > If you say so. - Josh
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On 6/11/2019 2:55 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: There are no banner ads on ycombinator, nor on Seth's site. I suspect you have malware somewhere in your system or on your network. As froghorn leghorn once said. "That was a Joke son" ... - Josh I'll look at that site later, as finding any kind of intersting page is becoming harder and harder as web searching is getting very sloppy. Ben.
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 1:48 PM ben via cctalk wrote: > On 6/11/2019 11:11 AM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 18:15, Seth Morabito via cctalk > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Oops! Clearly a boneheaded mistake on my part. Time to fix that > ancient post of mine... > >> > >> Ancient? It was on HN yesterday! > >> > >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20137134 > > > > It's not my fault they found a blog post I made in 2012 yesterday! :^) > > USE LESS BANNER ADS. > > -Seth > What I have seen a lot lately, is that you get a search hit, click on > the link > and get a "We will display NOT this page for you because ". Is that > the same for you people out there? > Ben. > > > There are no banner ads on ycombinator, nor on Seth's site. I suspect you have malware somewhere in your system or on your network. - Josh
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On 6/11/2019 11:11 AM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 18:15, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: Oops! Clearly a boneheaded mistake on my part. Time to fix that ancient post of mine... Ancient? It was on HN yesterday! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20137134 It's not my fault they found a blog post I made in 2012 yesterday! :^) USE LESS BANNER ADS. -Seth What I have seen a lot lately, is that you get a search hit, click on the link and get a "We will display NOT this page for you because ". Is that the same for you people out there? Ben.
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
> On Jun 11, 2019, at 10:11 AM, Seth Morabito via cctalk > wrote: > > It's not my fault they found a blog post I made in 2012 yesterday! :^) Almost as bad as desperately looking for a fix for something, and coming across your own posting from 15 years ago with the solution :) Ian
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, at 9:22 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 18:15, Seth Morabito via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Oops! Clearly a boneheaded mistake on my part. Time to fix that ancient > > post of mine... > > Ancient? It was on HN yesterday! > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20137134 It's not my fault they found a blog post I made in 2012 yesterday! :^) -Seth -- Seth Morabito Poulsbo, WA w...@loomcom.com
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On 06/11/2019 06:33 AM, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote: I wonder what the unlisted 20 ICs are for, and what they are? I think the 23B are microcode ROMS, and the 441 seems to be clerical error. Jon
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 18:15, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: > > Oops! Clearly a boneheaded mistake on my part. Time to fix that ancient post > of mine... Ancient? It was on HN yesterday! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20137134 -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, at 4:33 AM, Paul Birkel via cctalk wrote: > >-Original Message- > >From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Liam Proven > >via cctalk > > > >Found on Hackernews but by our very own Seth Morabito... > > > >"This is what makes a PDP-11/35 or PDP-11/40 tick. It turns out to be > >441 ICs. Impressive!" > > I wonder what the unlisted 20 ICs are for, and what they are? > > List totals [421]; claim is 441 ... Oops! Clearly a boneheaded mistake on my part. Time to fix that ancient post of mine... -Seth -- Seth Morabito Poulsbo, WA w...@loomcom.com
RE: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick?
>-Original Message- >From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Liam Proven >via cctalk >Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 7:06 AM >To: Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >Subject: What Makes a PDP-11/35 or 40 Tick? > >Found on Hackernews but by our very own Seth Morabito... > >« >This is what makes a PDP-11/35 or PDP-11/40 tick. It turns out to be >441 ICs. Impressive! >» > >https://loomcom.com/blog/0044_what_makes_a_pdp_11_35_tick.html > >-- >Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven I wonder what the unlisted 20 ICs are for, and what they are? List totals 221; claim is 441 ... - paul
