Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On 4/9/2020 6:10 PM, Bill Degnan via cctech wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 6:01 PM David Gesswein via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: Thank you David. I was able to load the .SV file instead, but I am glad I now know what was needed. I think in my pdp 11 I have the same issue. Bill For the record, that's a really ancient version of OS/8 Adventure. The current (2009) is much more stable as it uses the USR to open the files, allowing you to move them around without causing ADVENT to crash (the save image has the disk locations for the files being used, meaning it'll crash if they move around.) https://www.rickmurphy.net/advent/advbin.rx has a floppy image with 2.4 binaries. -Rick
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 03:34:18PM -0400, Bill Degnan wrote: > Hi, > . FRTS > > ..dumps me to the * prompt ... > > *RKB0:ADVENT.LD [return] > * [esc] > > rather than loading ADVENTURE I get the following result: > > D.F. TOO BIG INIT > MAIN 1740 > . > You need to specify the datafiles to use. .R FRTS *RKB0:ADVENT.LD *RKB0:ADVENT.TX/1 *RKB0:ADVENT.DA/2 *$ . http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/os8_html/ADVENT.DC?act=file;fn=images/os8/diag-games-kermit.rk05;blk=2243,9,1;to=auto
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 6:01 PM David Gesswein via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 08, 2020 at 03:34:18PM -0400, Bill Degnan wrote: > > Hi, > > . FRTS > > > > ..dumps me to the * prompt ... > > > > *RKB0:ADVENT.LD [return] > > * [esc] > > > > rather than loading ADVENTURE I get the following result: > > > > D.F. TOO BIG INIT > > MAIN 1740 > > . > > > > You need to specify the datafiles to use. > > .R FRTS > *RKB0:ADVENT.LD > *RKB0:ADVENT.TX/1 > *RKB0:ADVENT.DA/2 > *$ > . > > > > http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/os8_html/ADVENT.DC?act=file;fn=images/os8/diag-games-kermit.rk05;blk=2243,9,1;to=auto Thank you David. I was able to load the .SV file instead, but I am glad I now know what was needed. I think in my pdp 11 I have the same issue. Bill > >
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 11:05 PM Rick Murphy via cctalk wrote: > On 4/8/2020 6:58 PM, Richard Sheppard via cctalk wrote: > > I’m just going to guess (I have no experience with this architecture) – > would that mean either file corruption – or possibly the last record needs > to be padded out with “empty” blocks to be the same size as the others? > > > > > What are you doing when you get that message? > > -Ric > I have an emulated rk05 disk running on simH. Pdp 8i with 32K. The issue was that I was missing two files Here is what works (from Dave Gesswein's site:), I was missing the 3rd and 4th lines: .R FRTS *ADVENT *ADVENT.TX/1 *ADVENT.DA/2 *$ .SAVE SYS ADVENT !Save the game .R ADVENT !And play. After the above one can just run the SV file to run Adventure: .R ADVENT.SV Also...if ADVENT is not in the boot partition you have to specify, i.e. .R RKB0:ADVENT.SV Bill
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On 4/8/2020 6:58 PM, Richard Sheppard via cctalk wrote: I’m just going to guess (I have no experience with this architecture) – would that mean either file corruption – or possibly the last record needs to be padded out with “empty” blocks to be the same size as the others? What are you doing when you get that message? -Rick
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
I’m just going to guess (I have no experience with this architecture) – would that mean either file corruption – or possibly the last record needs to be padded out with “empty” blocks to be the same size as the others?
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 7:15 PM Vincent Slyngstad via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 4/8/2020 12:34 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > . FRTS > > > > ..dumps me to the * prompt ... > > > > *RKB0:ADVENT.LD [return] > > * [esc] > > > > rather than loading ADVENTURE I get the following result: > > > > D.F. TOO BIG INIT > > MAIN 1740 > > . > > Have you seen this? > https://tangentsoft.com/pidp8i/artifact/48a782b6930cb809 > > Vinc > Thank you. As said recently I have the SV file making this perhaps moot, but I better understand the strategy to support pdp os/8 fortran Bill >
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On 4/8/2020 12:34 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: . FRTS ..dumps me to the * prompt ... *RKB0:ADVENT.LD [return] * [esc] rather than loading ADVENTURE I get the following result: D.F. TOO BIG INIT MAIN 1740 . Have you seen this? https://tangentsoft.com/pidp8i/artifact/48a782b6930cb809 Vince
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 2:54 PM Eric Smith wrote: > That stands for "data field too big", i.e., too much data to fit in 4KW. > That's as opposed to "instruction field", which if too big would mean that > there's too much code. > Although I used OS/8 Fortran in the distant past, I never tried to compile > large Fortran programs or programs that used much data, so I don't know > what it takes to solve that problem. Maybe there is some way to get Fortran > to use more than one 4KW field for data, issuing the necessary CDF > instructions to switch data fields? > Checking the OS/8 Language Reference Manual reveals that I was totally incorrect. That stands for Data File too big. "Product fo number of record times number of blocks per record exceeds number of blocks in file." So I have no idea how to fix that.
Re: DEC OS/8 Question (getting an error TOO BIG INIT)
On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 1:34 PM Bill Degnan via cctech wrote: > D.F. TOO BIG INIT > I'd really like to understand what this error means if > anyone knows. > That stands for "data field too big", i.e., too much data to fit in 4KW. That's as opposed to "instruction field", which if too big would mean that there's too much code. Although I used OS/8 Fortran in the distant past, I never tried to compile large Fortran programs or programs that used much data, so I don't know what it takes to solve that problem. Maybe there is some way to get Fortran to use more than one 4KW field for data, issuing the necessary CDF instructions to switch data fields?
