RE: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Teo Zenios via > cctalk > Sent: 28 April 2022 06:43 > To: Fred Cisin ; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off- > Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs > > I watched the screen and it works very well. His only problem is he > sometimes forget to click a button to start the input going. There is a box > where what he speaks gets transcribed and then he cuts and pasts it to the > correct spot in the patients worksheet. > > -Original Message- > From: Fred Cisin via cctalk > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 11:19 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2022, Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote: > > One of my mothers doctors just talks into a microphone and it does the > > typing for him in real time. > > YIKES! > I hope that he MANUALLY edits the results! > People that aren't familiar with such OFTEN have excessive confidence that it > is getting it right. When a human transcribes, they filter through "common > sense"; people sometimes ASSUME that the dictation program also does so. > > An auto-corrupt could be dangerous. It could, but I know of a couple of medical folks that use similar technology. They say it is more accurate than their typing.. Dave G4UGM
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
I watched the screen and it works very well. His only problem is he sometimes forget to click a button to start the input going. There is a box where what he speaks gets transcribed and then he cuts and pasts it to the correct spot in the patients worksheet. -Original Message- From: Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 11:19 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs On Wed, 27 Apr 2022, Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote: One of my mothers doctors just talks into a microphone and it does the typing for him in real time. YIKES! I hope that he MANUALLY edits the results! People that aren't familiar with such OFTEN have excessive confidence that it is getting it right. When a human transcribes, they filter through "common sense"; people sometimes ASSUME that the dictation program also does so. An auto-corrupt could be dangerous. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
> On Apr 27, 2022, at 4:38 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctech > wrote: > > On 4/27/22 10:51, Craig Ruff via cctech wrote: >> Having gone through many mathematics courses it was common to also place a >> slash on the letter Z to distinguish it from the numeral 2. Also for persons >> from Europe where they slashed the numeral 7 to distinguish it from a >> numeral 1 that commonly had an initial small upward stroke at the top when >> hand written. > > Not just a small initial upward stroke on the "1", but in some European > countries (I'm thinking of Germany and the Netherlands), some make that > stroke at least half the height of the number, if not more. I have no > idea where the long top stroke originated. I've seen that occasionally, but it certainly is not Dutch standard handwriting -- at least not in the 1960s when I learned to write there. I just read a book from around 1900 (at gutenberg.org) "The key to the family deed chest" which has in chapter VI a chart showing what the digits looked like in the 12th through 16th centuries. Amusingly, some of them (like 7) have one shape in even numbered centuries and a different one in odd numberd centuries. :-) paul
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
On 4/27/22 10:51, Craig Ruff via cctech wrote: > Having gone through many mathematics courses it was common to also place a > slash on the letter Z to distinguish it from the numeral 2. Also for persons > from Europe where they slashed the numeral 7 to distinguish it from a numeral > 1 that commonly had an initial small upward stroke at the top when hand > written. Not just a small initial upward stroke on the "1", but in some European countries (I'm thinking of Germany and the Netherlands), some make that stroke at least half the height of the number, if not more. I have no idea where the long top stroke originated. --Chuck
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:51:10AM -0600, Craig Ruff via cctech wrote: > Having gone through many mathematics courses it was common to also place a > slash on the letter Z to distinguish it from the numeral 2. Also for persons > from Europe where they slashed the numeral 7 to distinguish it from a numeral > 1 that commonly had an initial small upward stroke at the top when hand > written. > Yes. I got into the habit of slashing my 7's years ago after I saw someone doing it. It makes perfect sense as they can look like a 1. -- d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
On Wed, 27 Apr 2022, Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote: One of my mothers doctors just talks into a microphone and it does the typing for him in real time. YIKES! I hope that he MANUALLY edits the results! People that aren't familiar with such OFTEN have excessive confidence that it is getting it right. When a human transcribes, they filter through "common sense"; people sometimes ASSUME that the dictation program also does so. An auto-corrupt could be dangerous.
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
> Now with electronics records (EMRs) we just get legible but junk notes - copy > and paste for a week straight Yeah, I consider that lazy. I always rewrite my notes, even if I saw them myself the last time. It forces me to check the history and make sure nothing's changed (and that I didn't miss anything). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- How do you explain school to a higher intelligence? -- Elliott in "E.T." ---
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
One of my mothers doctors just talks into a microphone and it does the typing for him in real time. -Original Message- From: Ali via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 5:31 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs > Cameron, do they teach indecipherable handwriting in med school? Seems to be universal! It's probably the hand cramping after writing clinic notes all day. Unexpectedly, electronic medical records have made my handwriting worse, not better. Well the old excuse was too many notes not enough time So you scribbled and went... Now with electronics records (EMRs) we just get legible but junk notes - copy and paste for a week straight And of course information overload... But that is partly the insurers fault as they pay more for more useless info... -Ali -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
RE: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
> > Cameron, do they teach indecipherable handwriting in med school? > Seems to be universal! > It's probably the hand cramping after writing clinic notes all day. > Unexpectedly, electronic medical records have made my handwriting > worse, not > better. Well the old excuse was too many notes not enough time So you scribbled and went... Now with electronics records (EMRs) we just get legible but junk notes - copy and paste for a week straight And of course information overload... But that is partly the insurers fault as they pay more for more useless info... -Ali
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
On Wed, 27 Apr 2022, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: Cameron, do they teach indecipherable handwriting in med school? Seems to be universal! It's probably the hand cramping after writing clinic notes all day. Unexpectedly, electronic medical records have made my handwriting worse, not better. The forensic team found the note written by the dying doctor. They couldn't read it, so they showed it to his best friend, the pharmacist. He looked at it, said, "Yes, that's definitely from George." He put a bottle of pills on the counter, and said, "That will be $24.50"
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
> Cameron, do they teach indecipherable handwriting in med school? Seems to be > universal! It's probably the hand cramping after writing clinic notes all day. Unexpectedly, electronic medical records have made my handwriting worse, not better. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Focus is all about saying no. -- early Apple employee --
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
> I still cross my zeds and sevens. And I propose that more people should do s > as handwriting continues to deteriorate into un-favomable scribble! So do I, but as a physician, my handwriting is already indecipherable. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Time makes more converts than reason. -- Thomas Payne --
RE: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
Not to forget the practice, found in places where clock(s) may be set to Zulu (as in UTC timezone), of indicating the datum by a Z with a vertical bar / slash through it - often below the 12 and about 30% of the size of the clock face, or centred and somewhat larger. Horizontal and no bar options may well also be found in the wild; which may have spread into the positioning, network management and timing communities ? Martin -Original Message- From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Craig Ruff via cctech Sent: 27 April 2022 18:51 To: cct...@classiccmp.org Subject: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs Having gone through many mathematics courses it was common to also place a slash on the letter Z to distinguish it from the numeral 2. Also for persons from Europe where they slashed the numeral 7 to distinguish it from a numeral 1 that commonly had an initial small upward stroke at the top when hand written.
Re: Not just slashed zeroes/ohs
I still cross my zeds and sevens. And I propose that more people should do so as handwriting continues to deteriorate into un-favomable scribble! Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept! Skype: TILBURY2591 On 2022-04-27 13:51, Craig Ruff via cctech wrote: Having gone through many mathematics courses it was common to also place a slash on the letter Z to distinguish it from the numeral 2. Also for persons from Europe where they slashed the numeral 7 to distinguish it from a numeral 1 that commonly had an initial small upward stroke at the top when hand written.
