Re: RT-11 V4 MU-BASIC help

[Sytse van Slooten via cctalk]

I've used that image quite a bit for testing my vhdl pdp11. So it should work.

>From a quick test, it appears as if the lpt device in the default simh config 
conflicts. If I disable that, mubas works fine for me.

Like so:

sim> set cpu 11/45
sim> set lpt disable
sim> att rk0 rt11v4-mubasicv2.rk
sim> boot rk0

RT-11FB (S) V04.00E 

.SET TT QUIET
?KMON-W-No date
00:00:00
?KMON-F-Illegal device LP:

.R MUBAS

WARNING: DATE NOT SET


MU BASIC-11/RT-11 V2.00R
CONFIGURATION FILE : *1USER
MU BASIC-11/RT-11 IS OPERATIONAL.
PLEASE TYPE IN "HELLO".


Cheers,
Sytse


On Thursday, March 29, 2018 06:46:34 PM Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I would like to try and get MU-BASIC working on my PDP-11/45, under RT-11
> V4.  The best bits I've been able to find to work with so far are the RK05
> image here:
> 
>   
> http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/DEC/pdp11/discimages/rk05/rt11v4-mu
> basicv2.rk.gz
> 
> ...but I've not had much success getting this to work under simh.  Using the
> 1USER.CNF configuration file in this image, no matter how I configure the
> machine, I get either traps, halts, or stack violations when issuing the
> first command in basic.
> 
> Trying to rebuild MU-BASIC using the indirect files in the image results in
> a linker barf on some undefined symbols.
> 
> Has anybody else here had much luck getting MU-BASIC up and running under
> RT-11 V4?  Is there an alternate image or distribution kit somewhere that I
> could try to work with?
> 
>   thanks much,
> --FritzM.

Re: RT-11 V4 MU-BASIC help

[Fritz Mueller via cctalk]

> On Mar 30, 2018, at 8:25 AM, Sytse van Slooten  wrote:
> 
> I've used that image quite a bit for testing my vhdl pdp11. So it should work.

Thanks, Sytse.  In my case, I kept running up against traps and halts after 
that point, while interacting with MU-BASIC after the "say hello" prompt.  I 
may re-download that image and start fresh one more time just to check. I'm 
using pre-release V4 simh, built from the latest master in GitHub.

OTOH, I was able to get going last night using the RX01 images that Mattis 
provided.  I started from a fresh RTRKV4.00, then sysgen'd for multi-terminal 
and the hardware config for my 11/45 and built a new bootable image.  Copied on 
the contents of Mattis' RX01 MU-BASIC distro floppies, edited the default 
1USER.CNF for RK instead of RL, and it worked right out of the box.  I was even 
able then to RUN MUCNFG, create a new 2USER.CNF, and run with both the console 
terminal and a simulated DZ11 in simh.  So that's encouraging!

I haven't tried re-linking yet with Mattis' distro bits to see of the missing 
symbol problem is also gone, but its on the list of things to try.

cheers,
   --FritzM.

Re: RT-11 V4 MU-BASIC help

[Sytse van Slooten via cctalk]

I've used that image quite a bit for testing my vhdl pdp11. So it should work.

>From a quick test, it appears as if the lpt device in the default simh config 
conflicts. If I disable that, mubas works fine for me.

Like so:

sim> set cpu 11/45
sim> set lpt disable
sim> att rk0 rt11v4-mubasicv2.rk
sim> boot rk0

RT-11FB (S) V04.00E 

.SET TT QUIET
?KMON-W-No date
00:00:00
?KMON-F-Illegal device LP:

.R MUBAS

WARNING: DATE NOT SET


MU BASIC-11/RT-11 V2.00R
CONFIGURATION FILE : *1USER
MU BASIC-11/RT-11 IS OPERATIONAL.
PLEASE TYPE IN "HELLO".


Cheers,
Sytse



On Thursday, March 29, 2018 06:46:34 PM Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I would like to try and get MU-BASIC working on my PDP-11/45, under RT-11
> V4.  The best bits I've been able to find to work with so far are the RK05
> image here:
> 
>   
> http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/DEC/pdp11/discimages/rk05/rt11v4-mu
> basicv2.rk.gz
> 
> ...but I've not had much success getting this to work under simh.  Using the
> 1USER.CNF configuration file in this image, no matter how I configure the
> machine, I get either traps, halts, or stack violations when issuing the
> first command in basic.
> 
> Trying to rebuild MU-BASIC using the indirect files in the image results in
> a linker barf on some undefined symbols.
> 
> Has anybody else here had much luck getting MU-BASIC up and running under
> RT-11 V4?  Is there an alternate image or distribution kit somewhere that I
> could try to work with?
> 
>   thanks much,
> --FritzM.

Re: RT-11 V4 MU-BASIC help

[Fritz Mueller via cctalk]

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:01 PM, Mattis Lind  wrote:
> 
> Fixed now (I hope).

Yes, I was able to get these now, I will give them a go -- thanks again!

I also see that there's a paper tape distribution up on bitsavers, but it looks 
like it might be v1?

--FritzM.

Re: RT-11 V4 MU-BASIC help

[Mattis Lind via cctalk]

> Oops! Sorry. Dropbox removed deeplinking to dropbox files and I started to
> move files to new storage solution. But many files are still on the todo
> list. I fix those files asap..
>
> I'll get back soon.
>

Fixed now (I hope).



>
> /Mattis
>
>
>>
>> thanks much,
>>--FritzM.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: RT-11 V4 MU-BASIC help

[Mattis Lind via cctalk]

fredag 30 mars 2018 skrev Fritz Mueller via cctalk :

>
> > On Mar 29, 2018, at 9:53 PM, Mattis Lind  wrote:
> >
> > I have imaged some RX01 and RX02 floppy disks with RT11 V3B and MU
> Basic.  http://www.datormuseum.se/documentation-software/rx01-
> and-rx02-floppy-disks  documentation-software/rx01-and-rx02-floppy-disks>
>
> Hi Mattis,
>
> I did find your page above while googling, but the links seem dead
> (returns a 404 page from dropbox?)


Oops! Sorry. Dropbox removed deeplinking to dropbox files and I started to
move files to new storage solution. But many files are still on the todo
list. I fix those files asap..

I'll get back soon.

/Mattis


>
> thanks much,
>--FritzM.
>
>
>
>

Re: RT-11 V4 MU-BASIC help

[Fritz Mueller via cctalk]

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 9:53 PM, Mattis Lind  wrote:
> 
> I have imaged some RX01 and RX02 floppy disks with RT11 V3B and MU Basic.  
> http://www.datormuseum.se/documentation-software/rx01-and-rx02-floppy-disks 
> 

Hi Mattis,

I did find your page above while googling, but the links seem dead (returns a 
404 page from dropbox?)

thanks much,
   --FritzM.

Re: RT-11 V4 MU-BASIC help

[Mattis Lind via cctalk]

fredag 30 mars 2018 skrev Fritz Mueller via cctalk :

> Hello all,
>
> I would like to try and get MU-BASIC working on my PDP-11/45, under RT-11
> V4.  The best bits I've been able to find to work with so far are the RK05
> image here:
>
> http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/DEC/pdp11/
> discimages/rk05/rt11v4-mubasicv2.rk.gz
>
> ...but I've not had much success getting this to work under simh.  Using
> the 1USER.CNF configuration file in this image, no matter how I configure
> the machine, I get either traps, halts, or stack violations when issuing
> the first command in basic.
>
> Trying to rebuild MU-BASIC using the indirect files in the image results
> in a linker barf on some undefined symbols.
>
> Has anybody else here had much luck getting MU-BASIC up and running under
> RT-11 V4?  Is there an alternate image or distribution kit somewhere that I
> could try to work with?


I have imaged some RX01 and RX02 floppy disks with RT11 V3B and MU Basic.
http://www.datormuseum.se/documentation-software/rx01-and-rx02-floppy-disks

Not tested getting them running though.

/Mattis


> thanks much,
>   --FritzM.
>
>
>