Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
What I want to know is, how do front panels of historic computers so often get separated from the rest of the computer? Could be just storage problems. The main computer here, racks of stuff there, cables and panel there, and things get lost over time. The moosehead is still hanging on the wall. But, the backside of the moose is no longer on the other side of that wall. On Fri, 5 Apr 2019, ben via cctalk wrote: But what if was a TALKING moose head? The movie "MURDER BY DEATH" comes to mind.Ben. Disunirregardless of whether the moose has anything to say, there should be a half circle table under the moosehead; and a matching half circle table on the other side of the wall.
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
On 4/5/2019 10:06 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: What I want to know is, how do front panels of historic computers so often get separated from the rest of the computer? Could be just storage problems. The main computer here, racks of stuff there, cables and panel there, and things get lost over time. The moosehead is still hanging on the wall. But, the backside of the moose is no longer on the other side of that wall. But what if was a TALKING moose head? The movie "MURDER BY DEATH" comes to mind.Ben.
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 3:16 PM Mark Matlock via cctalk wrote: > Subject: Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay >The other thing that happened on PDP-11/70s was that if your system > was maintained by DEC, the field service group would want to install > the KY11-RE Remote Serial Console Control which replaced the beautiful > front panel with a more or less blank panel with only a key switch. It > let DEC dial in and run diagnostics, and the Blinkin' Light panel was > set aside often in the collection of someone. However the blank panel > still needs the bezel for a good display of it. So unfortunately, > there are more console panels than bezels which often did not get > salvaged at the time the PDP-11/70 was taken out of service. I got two machines with the remote console panel. Fortunately, I _have_ the cast bezel, and I've managed to get one 11/70 PCB with LED but no switches (removed by the previous owner to restore other machines) and one that's 100% intact. What I _don't_ have is the plexiglass. I am looking at drawing up in CAD a vector file to scribe a clear one which will be easy to make on a laser cutter and will hopefully look cool as well. -ethan
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
Subject: Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay > > From: Guy Dunphy > > > What I want to know is, how do front panels of historic computers so > > often get separated from the rest of the computer? > The other thing that happened on PDP-11/70s was that if your system was maintained by DEC, the field service group would want to install the KY11-RE Remote Serial Console Control which replaced the beautiful front panel with a more or less blank panel with only a key switch. It let DEC dial in and run diagnostics, and the Blinkin' Light panel was set aside often in the collection of someone. However the blank panel still needs the bezel for a good display of it. So unfortunately, there are more console panels than bezels which often did not get salvaged at the time the PDP-11/70 was taken out of service. Mark M.
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
What I want to know is, how do front panels of historic computers so often get separated from the rest of the computer? The moosehead is still hanging on the wall. But, the backside of the moose is no longer on the other side of that wall.
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 11:32 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > From: Guy Dunphy > > > What I want to know is, how do front panels of historic computers so > > often get separated from the rest of the computer? > > > > Here's what probably happened: the machines were about to be scrapped, and > saving the whole machine wasn't practical - often, in part, because those > machines were _huge_. (The CPU _alone_ of a KA10 would fill an entire room > of > a normal house.) So, one has a limit to what one can do. So the choice is > to > save the front panel alone... or to save nothing. > > Noel > It is also possible that some front panels were removed and set aside back when the associated computer was in production, i,e, due to a fault in the panel. The original computer long ago separated and recycled but the panel remained in the storage closet until discovered by an employee who was allowed to take home as a souvenir, many years later. "I remember when I worked on that ..." I am thankful to have been able to rescue a few orphaned front panels of extinct machines. With simH and a Raspberry Pi there is a way to give them a new life. B
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
> From: Guy Dunphy > What I want to know is, how do front panels of historic computers so > often get separated from the rest of the computer? I suspect it probably happened a while back, before the start of the vintage computer movement; you need to look at the decisions from the perspective of back then. (As an example, back then, I was offered the complete PDP-11/45 of my old group. I was up to my neck in contemporary, important, alligators - I was on the IESG of the IETF at the time - and didn't have the time to deal with saving it and moving it to my house; so I let it go - a loss I regret terribly now.) Here's what probably happened: the machines were about to be scrapped, and saving the whole machine wasn't practical - often, in part, because those machines were _huge_. (The CPU _alone_ of a KA10 would fill an entire room of a normal house.) So, one has a limit to what one can do. So the choice is to save the front panel alone... or to save nothing. Noel
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
At 10:17 PM 4/04/2019 -0500, you wrote: >These are very different. That older one was really just a case - it >had no lights, perhaps no actual switches (I am guessing not), and >certainly no circuit boards. This one has that stuff (and I see that >the price has gotten to an amount I once bid on a CDC-160 [and lost.] Whoever bidder x***n is, someone should explain to them about snipe bidding services. What I want to know is, how do front panels of historic computers so often get separated from the rest of the computer? Do people just rip them off as souvenirs and scrap the rest of the machine? It's very hard to understand. I found several orphan PDP front panels at the ACMS warehouse diaspora last year. And rescued all that I found. But it's so sad. Guy
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
On 4/4/2019 9:33 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Al Kossow > > > because it's $125 lower than the last one that sold. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/113190860596 > > Wow - somebody got a real deal! Looks like the seller listed it as > a BiN with a low (for what it was) price; bet they're kicking themselves > now, seeing what this one is going for, that they didn't go the auction > route. > > Noel > These are very different. That older one was really just a case - it had no lights, perhaps no actual switches (I am guessing not), and certainly no circuit boards. This one has that stuff (and I see that the price has gotten to an amount I once bid on a CDC-160 [and lost.] JRJ
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
> From: Al Kossow > because it's $125 lower than the last one that sold. > https://www.ebay.com/itm/113190860596 Wow - somebody got a real deal! Looks like the seller listed it as a BiN with a low (for what it was) price; bet they're kicking themselves now, seeing what this one is going for, that they didn't go the auction route. Noel
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
On 2019-Apr-03, at 11:17 PM, Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk wrote: > Could you provide an URL. ebay search works (or not works) in mysterious > ways. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Equipment-PDP-10-Control-Console/183760017149 https://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRA-Rare-Vintage-ORIGINAL-KENBAK-1-aka-CTI-5050-Computer-1st-Personal/254187561426
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
Hi Could you provide an URL. ebay search works (or not works) in mysterious ways. /P On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:51:41PM -0400, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay > > and no, a "best offer" of $250 for the front panel will not be accepted. > :-) > > Bill
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
Are these yours Bill? Interesting to see the Kenbak and story behind buying most of the Nova Scotia museum. Lots of interesting other things seller has as well. Prices vary like a lot of eBay sellers but some neat stuff the collector has. Color me jealous. ;-) Sent from my Apple /c > On Apr 3, 2019, at 1:51 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay > > and no, a "best offer" of $250 for the front panel will not be accepted. > :-) > > Bill
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
Nope! On Wed, Apr 3, 2019, 3:58 PM ED SHARPE via cctalk > any relation to marlys nelson at river falls? > Ed#In a message dated 4/3/2019 12:40:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > I mean that semi-sarcastically as this list probably knows better already. > > =] > -- > Anders Nelson > > +1 (517) 775-6129 > > www.erogear.com > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 3:37 PM Anders Nelson > wrote: > > > My god people, stop bidding! There are 6 days left. > > -- > > Anders Nelson > > > > +1 (517) 775-6129 > > > > www.erogear.com > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 2:51 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay > >> > >> and no, a "best offer" of $250 for the front panel will not be accepted. > >> :-) > >> > >> Bill > >> > > >
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
On Wed, Apr 3, 2019, 15:01 Al Kossow via cctalk > > On 4/3/19 11:51 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > > and no, a "best offer" of $250 for the front panel will not be accepted. > > because it's $125 lower than the last one that sold. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/113190860596 That seems...remarkably cheap.
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
My god people, stop bidding! There are 6 days left. You should only ever bid once. The last bid. -- : Ethan O'Toole
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
On 4/3/19 11:51 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > and no, a "best offer" of $250 for the front panel will not be accepted. because it's $125 lower than the last one that sold. https://www.ebay.com/itm/113190860596
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
any relation to marlys nelson at river falls? Ed#In a message dated 4/3/2019 12:40:06 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: I mean that semi-sarcastically as this list probably knows better already. =] -- Anders Nelson +1 (517) 775-6129 www.erogear.com On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 3:37 PM Anders Nelson wrote: > My god people, stop bidding! There are 6 days left. > -- > Anders Nelson > > +1 (517) 775-6129 > > www.erogear.com > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 2:51 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay >> >> and no, a "best offer" of $250 for the front panel will not be accepted. >> :-) >> >> Bill >> >
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
I mean that semi-sarcastically as this list probably knows better already. =] -- Anders Nelson +1 (517) 775-6129 www.erogear.com On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 3:37 PM Anders Nelson wrote: > My god people, stop bidding! There are 6 days left. > -- > Anders Nelson > > +1 (517) 775-6129 > > www.erogear.com > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 2:51 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay >> >> and no, a "best offer" of $250 for the front panel will not be accepted. >> :-) >> >> Bill >> >
Re: Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay
My god people, stop bidding! There are 6 days left. -- Anders Nelson +1 (517) 775-6129 www.erogear.com On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 2:51 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > Yes there is a PDP 10 front panel and Kenbak on Ebay > > and no, a "best offer" of $250 for the front panel will not be accepted. > :-) > > Bill >
