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> >How many are aware that the capital of South Dakota, "PIERRE" is >pronounced by the locals "PEER"? > > >Is the "correct" pronunciation the dominant local one? I knew about a city called like my first name, but I never knew that it was pronounced that differently :-D Cheers, Pierre - http://www.digitalheritage.de
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On 11/19/20 3:56 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > How many are aware that the capital of South Dakota, "PIERRE" is > pronounced by the locals "PEER"? > > > Is the "correct" pronunciation the dominant local one? That's the way I learned it. Other US cities: Valparaiso (IN) Edinburgh (IN) Cairo (IL) Des Plaines (IL) Creve Coeur, (MO) (That's "Creeve Core" to you, thank you) etc. etc. One of the strangest US situations is the pronunciation of the Arkansas river. In Kansas and eastern Colorado, it's said the way that it's spelled, with the final "s". Go further downstream into Oklahoma and central Colorado and the state of Arkansas, it's "Arkansaw". I won't delve into the geographical names of the Welsh tract in Pennsylvania... --Chuck
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Why don't you guys take this to another list, where someone might actually see its relevance? Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Re: Regional accents and dialects (Was: The best hard drives??
How many are aware that the capital of South Dakota, "PIERRE" is pronounced by the locals "PEER"? Is the "correct" pronunciation the dominant local one?
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:14 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > In most detective programs until at least the late > 50's: Los Angeles == LAS ahn-gall-lees Definitely heard that a bunch on Perry Mason. -ethan
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On 11/19/20 5:06 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: For a while, I lived near "Bawlmer" (Baltimore) On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Huh. I did not know Baltimore was not pronounced boll-tea-more. I was told that the "correct" pronunciation was BAWL-tim-more Well, admittedly, there was a time half a century ago, when certain forces objected to the "MISpronunciation". Radio staff, in response to the pressure, said bawl - TEA-more. Half a century ago, there were horse drawn rag carts, a lot of cobblestone streets, giant mutant rats at the harbor, and major renovation being started. Along route 40, and many other major streets, there were dozens of blocks slated for demolition. They developed a style of their own; they took all of the doors from inside a condemned group of houses and nailed those together to make a fence. So, there would be block after block of multicolored door-fence from street corner to street corner, punctuated at intervals by marble doorsteps. I have heard that the harbor is now a tourist destination; that probably includes a reduction of the rat population. Long Island (NY) was pronounced Lawn-GUY-land If you want a real hoot, try listening to some Old Time Radio. In Gunsmoke: Arkansas == ARE-can-sass In most detective programs until at least the late 50's: Los Angeles == LAS ahn-gall-lees And let's not forget Kato, the Green Hornets faithful val-let. English always was and still is a very fluid language. bill
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On 11/19/20 4:06 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Long Island (NY) was pronounced Lawn-GUY-land The current Long Island accent developed in the mid to late 80's. Most of us living there before that had Bronx or Brooklyn accents... I remember some of my friends would type on a ASR-33 with different accents as well
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For a while, I lived near "Bawlmer" (Baltimore) On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Huh. I did not know Baltimore was not pronounced boll-tea-more. I was told that the "correct" pronunciation was BAWL-tim-more Well, admittedly, there was a time half a century ago, when certain forces objected to the "MISpronunciation". Radio staff, in response to the pressure, said bawl - TEA-more. Half a century ago, there were horse drawn rag carts, a lot of cobblestone streets, giant mutant rats at the harbor, and major renovation being started. Along route 40, and many other major streets, there were dozens of blocks slated for demolition. They developed a style of their own; they took all of the doors from inside a condemned group of houses and nailed those together to make a fence. So, there would be block after block of multicolored door-fence from street corner to street corner, punctuated at intervals by marble doorsteps. I have heard that the harbor is now a tourist destination; that probably includes a reduction of the rat population. Long Island (NY) was pronounced Lawn-GUY-land
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On 19-11-2020 18:11, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote: > They're soft but not silent in my accent. But you're from the northwest and > all > bets are off when it comes to how the pie-eaters speak. Presumably at least > the > "P" in "psalm" is silent, because that really does sound weird if not. https://www.amazon.com/Pterodactyl-Worst-Alphabet-Book-Ever/dp/1492674311 Julf
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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 17:58, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > As an American, I think Hugh Laurie and Bob Hoskins have quite > acceptable American accents AIUI, most people do. I think it's just to their countrymen that they sound artificial. > as does Jamie Bamber (Lee "Apollo" Adama > in Battlestar Galactica). (*Googles*) Oh! Didn't know he wasn't. But apparently his dad's American, so I guess he grew up hearing it. > The funny thing is I just caught an episode > of Hugh Lauie in Masterpiece Theater "Roadkill" and thought he sounds > "less British" than he did in the days of Fry and Laurie. :-) > We have a Wooster, Ohio, but owing to the local rural accent, there's > a "Wster/Wuhster" pronunciation split. The local joke is > "Wooster, where the cows say 'Muh'". :-D -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:20:36PM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: [...] >> But yesterday, I discovered that the 'L' in words such as "palm", "balm" and >> "psalm" is _no longer_ silent and is actively pronounced in some regions of >> the US, and mere surprise was no longer adequate and I was forced to resort >> to astonishment. They're soft but not silent in my accent. But you're from the northwest and all bets are off when it comes to how the pie-eaters speak. Presumably at least the "P" in "psalm" is silent, because that really does sound weird if not. > Nobody around here will use Worcestershire sauce, because they are afraid to > even try to pronounce it. Call it "Lea and Perrins" like the rest of us, except in Sheffield where it's called "Henderson's" for reasons that Yorkshiremen will readily expand upon in depth, regardless of whether or not you actually wanted to know.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:14 AM Liam Proven via cctalk
wrote:
> (Aside: it is amusing to me, at least, that some British actors
> succeeded in Hollywood or TV analogues thereof, playing Americans, in
> what to other Brits sound like unconvincing accents: Hugh Laurie
> ("House"), Bob Hoskins ("Who Framed Roger Rabbit?").)
As an American, I think Hugh Laurie and Bob Hoskins have quite
acceptable American accents, as does Jamie Bamber (Lee "Apollo" Adama
in Battlestar Galactica). The funny thing is I just caught an episode
of Hugh Lauie in Masterpiece Theater "Roadkill" and thought he sounds
"less British" than he did in the days of Fry and Laurie.
> It took me decades to realise, but P G Wodehouse's famed fictional
> character Bertie Wooster has the same name. "Wooster" is just a
> phonetic rendering of "Worcester". Any placename with "chester" or
> variant thereof is ~2000 years old...
>Worcester → "Wooster"
We have a Wooster, Ohio, but owing to the local rural accent, there's
a "Wster/Wuhster" pronunciation split. The local joke is
"Wooster, where the cows say 'Muh'".
-ethan
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 21:20, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> And the machines that Calcomp made (570, etc.) were called "plodders"
I am well-used to that one; I think all Brits are, from TV and cinema.
(Aside: it is amusing to me, at least, that some British actors
succeeded in Hollywood or TV analogues thereof, playing Americans, in
what to other Brits sound like unconvincing accents: Hugh Laurie
("House"), Bob Hoskins ("Who Framed Roger Rabbit?").)
> Nobody around here will use Worcestershire sauce, because they are
> afraid to even try to pronounce it.
It took me decades to realise, but P G Wodehouse's famed fictional
character Bertie Wooster has the same name. "Wooster" is just a
phonetic rendering of "Worcester". Any placename with "chester" or
variant thereof is ~2000 years old, because it derives from the Latin
"castrum" used by the Romans. Castra were Roman fortified bases.
Sounds drift a lot over two millennia.
Gloucester → "Gloster"
Leicester → "Lester"
Worcester → "Wooster"
My personal favourite is Woolfardisworthy. It's a pretty little
village, but its name sounds so different, they put the phonetic
version on signposts too, so outsiders can actually find it: Woolsery.
> For a while, I lived near "Bawlmer" (Baltimore)
Huh. I did not know Baltimore was not pronounced boll-tea-more.
I've watched this many times but never clocked on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfIWX5vGTEk ← sweary but highly amusing
> (The most significant landmark is the B R O M O S E L T Z E R clock - what
> time is it when both hands are on 'O's?)
*Googles it* Coo...
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Regional accents and dialects (Was: The best hard drives??
Most of us "merkens" haven't truly mastered one language. On Wed, 18 Nov 2020, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: I was very surprised to discover a couple of years ago that many in the USA pronounce "squirrel" as "skwerl". My surprise was subsequently pushed to its limits when I discovered that the 'L' in 'solder' has become silent and it is now commonly pronounced "sodder". And the machines that Calcomp made (570, etc.) were called "plodders" But yesterday, I discovered that the 'L' in words such as "palm", "balm" and "psalm" is _no longer_ silent and is actively pronounced in some regions of the US, and mere surprise was no longer adequate and I was forced to resort to astonishment. Nobody around here will use Worcestershire sauce, because they are afraid to even try to pronounce it. For a while, I lived near "Bawlmer" (Baltimore) (The most significant landmark is the B R O M O S E L T Z E R clock - what time is it when both hands are on 'O's?) OB_ON_Topic: That was the origin of the Seequa Chameleon, the only computer [that I know of] to come with 3.25" drives (that Dysan had bet the company on. As part of that "bet", for a very brief time, all of the most major software packages were available on 3.25" disks!) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
