Re: SAGE memory plane

2018-09-18 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk



On 9/17/18 9:10 PM, Mike Loewen wrote:

>    I'll have to look through my references to find out when it was deployed. 
> That training manual doesn't seem to be on
> Bitsavers.  :-)  It would be nice to find it.

Yes it would. The 'cold war secrets' site must have had access to a copy but I 
have no idea if the entire document was
scanned





Re: SAGE memory plane

2018-09-18 Thread dwight via cctalk
Its a shame it wasn't in the complete unit. Unless someone actually erases it, 
core memory will hold data until the sun swells up, as a red giant, and toast 
the earth.

One always wonders what one would find on these old cores.

Dwight



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Subject: Re: SAGE memory plane

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:

> ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/232927847019
>
> https://secretsofcoldwarradar.omeka.net/exhibits/show/cold-war-radar-technology/item/4
>
> can someone identify exactly what this box was called, when it was deployed,
> and what training manual they are referring to?

In the T.O. 
(http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/sage/3-32-0_Central_Computer_System_Vol1_Feb59.pdf),
that cabinet is called "core memory 1", or 256² ferrite core array". We  just
called it "Big Mem".  Here's a picture of the cabinet from McChord's
SAGE:

http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/SAGE/BigMem.jpg

I'll have to look through my references to find out when it was deployed.
That training manual doesn't seem to be on Bitsavers.  :-)  It would be nice
to find it.

> we have a couple
> http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102633198
>
> and they keep getting mis-identified.

I have one, as well:

http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/SAGE/Coreplane-1L.jpg


Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology  http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/


Re: SAGE memory plane

2018-09-17 Thread Mike Loewen via cctalk

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:


ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/232927847019

https://secretsofcoldwarradar.omeka.net/exhibits/show/cold-war-radar-technology/item/4

can someone identify exactly what this box was called, when it was deployed, 
and what training manual they are referring to?


   In the T.O. (http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/sage/3-32-0_Central_Computer_System_Vol1_Feb59.pdf), 
that cabinet is called "core memory 1", or 256² ferrite core array". We  just 
called it "Big Mem".  Here's a picture of the cabinet from McChord's 
SAGE:


http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/SAGE/BigMem.jpg

   I'll have to look through my references to find out when it was deployed. 
That training manual doesn't seem to be on Bitsavers.  :-)  It would be nice 
to find it.



we have a couple
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102633198

and they keep getting mis-identified.


   I have one, as well:

http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/SAGE/Coreplane-1L.jpg


Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology  http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/


Re: SAGE memory plane

2018-09-16 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk

On 09/16/2018 08:45 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:

ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/232927847019

https://secretsofcoldwarradar.omeka.net/exhibits/show/cold-war-radar-technology/item/4

can someone identify exactly what this box was called, when it was deployed, 
and what training manual they are referring to?


we have a couple
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102633198

and they keep getting mis-identified.



The SAGE was the AN/FSQ-7 computer, possibly the sub-units 
had some IBM designation, although a quick scan of some 
bitsavers docs didn't turn that up.  The SAGE main system 
were built on gigantic racks covered with modules with a row 
of tubes on them.  So, no housing as we normally would 
expect.  But, I think the core memory was different, and was 
built into a housing.  I think the memory unit had few tubes 
in it, needed shielding and probably used controlled 
temperature, so a housing made more sense.


But, that unit definitely matches what the SAGE core memory 
units looked like.


Jon




SAGE memory plane

2018-09-16 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/232927847019

https://secretsofcoldwarradar.omeka.net/exhibits/show/cold-war-radar-technology/item/4

can someone identify exactly what this box was called, when it was deployed, 
and what training manual they are referring to?


we have a couple
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102633198

and they keep getting mis-identified.