Re: Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim

[Stefan Skoglund via cctalk]

tis 2020-08-18 klockan 16:00 +0100 skrev Antonio Carlini via cctalk:
> On 18/08/2020 06:25, Plamen Mihaylov via cctalk wrote:
> > I’ve attached different AUI transceivers to Sun3/E SCSI/Ethernet at
> > least
> > 100 times while running and nothing happened. The Sun 3/E prom has
> > on board
> > diagnostic which could provide more information on the failure.
> 
> I must admit I was a little surprised by the statement that AUI
> cables 
> cannot be hot-plugged safely.
> 
> I certainly don't remember any such restriction back in the day 
> (although it's entirely possible that I was never told or have
> forgotten).
> 
> Anyone got a definitive statement from anywhere?
> 
> Antonio
> 

Neither I, but i'm really only knowledgeable of IPC/SS10/SS5 era , not
so much 1+ for example.

Re: Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim

[Antonio Carlini via cctalk]

On 18/08/2020 06:25, Plamen Mihaylov via cctalk wrote:

I’ve attached different AUI transceivers to Sun3/E SCSI/Ethernet at least
100 times while running and nothing happened. The Sun 3/E prom has on board
diagnostic which could provide more information on the failure.



I must admit I was a little surprised by the statement that AUI cables 
cannot be hot-plugged safely.


I certainly don't remember any such restriction back in the day 
(although it's entirely possible that I was never told or have forgotten).


Anyone got a definitive statement from anywhere?

Antonio


--
Antonio Carlini
anto...@acarlini.com

Re: Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim

[Plamen Mihaylov via cctalk]

I’ve attached different AUI transceivers to Sun3/E SCSI/Ethernet at least
100 times while running and nothing happened. The Sun 3/E prom has on board
diagnostic which could provide more information on the failure.

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020, Chris Hanson via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Aug 17, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Michael Thompson via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Sun 3/E, including a SCSI/Ethernet board, that ran fine the last
> > time it was powered on. There is a collector in southern Germany who also
> > has a 3/E board set. I didn't see any contact information for the
> simulator
> > owners.
>
> The originator of the Reddit thread works on this simulator and is the
> point of contact.
>
> They're really interested in moving off the Sun 3/e rather than continuing
> to try to get spare parts etc. I've also suggested they check the
> capacitors and fuses, especially on the Ethernet/SCSI cards, since the
> originator claims multiple failures. The Ethernet fuse in particular is
> likely very easy to trip because people these days aren't used to AUI
> adapters which generally *can not* be hot-plugged without blowing a fuse.
>
>   -- Chris
>
>

Re: Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim

[Chris Hanson via cctalk]

Yeah, there's good reason more modern AUI-based Ethernet and more modern SCSI 
systems use resettable polyfuses...

  -- Chris

> On Aug 17, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Michael Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> I have also seen the SCSI terminator power fuse blow when the terminator is 
> hot plugged.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 7:26 PM Chris Hanson  > wrote:
> On Aug 17, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Michael Thompson via cctalk 
> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
> > 
> > I have a Sun 3/E, including a SCSI/Ethernet board, that ran fine the last
> > time it was powered on. There is a collector in southern Germany who also
> > has a 3/E board set. I didn't see any contact information for the simulator
> > owners.
> 
> The originator of the Reddit thread works on this simulator and is the point 
> of contact.
> 
> They're really interested in moving off the Sun 3/e rather than continuing to 
> try to get spare parts etc. I've also suggested they check the capacitors and 
> fuses, especially on the Ethernet/SCSI cards, since the originator claims 
> multiple failures. The Ethernet fuse in particular is likely very easy to 
> trip because people these days aren't used to AUI adapters which generally 
> *can not* be hot-plugged without blowing a fuse.
> 
>   -- Chris
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Michael Thompson

Re: Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim

[Michael Thompson via cctalk]

I have also seen the SCSI terminator power fuse blow when the terminator is
hot plugged.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 7:26 PM Chris Hanson 
wrote:

> On Aug 17, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Michael Thompson via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Sun 3/E, including a SCSI/Ethernet board, that ran fine the last
> > time it was powered on. There is a collector in southern Germany who also
> > has a 3/E board set. I didn't see any contact information for the
> simulator
> > owners.
>
> The originator of the Reddit thread works on this simulator and is the
> point of contact.
>
> They're really interested in moving off the Sun 3/e rather than continuing
> to try to get spare parts etc. I've also suggested they check the
> capacitors and fuses, especially on the Ethernet/SCSI cards, since the
> originator claims multiple failures. The Ethernet fuse in particular is
> likely very easy to trip because people these days aren't used to AUI
> adapters which generally *can not* be hot-plugged without blowing a fuse.
>
>   -- Chris
>
>

-- 
Michael Thompson

Re: Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim

[Chris Hanson via cctalk]

On Aug 17, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Michael Thompson via cctalk 
 wrote:
> 
> I have a Sun 3/E, including a SCSI/Ethernet board, that ran fine the last
> time it was powered on. There is a collector in southern Germany who also
> has a 3/E board set. I didn't see any contact information for the simulator
> owners.

The originator of the Reddit thread works on this simulator and is the point of 
contact.

They're really interested in moving off the Sun 3/e rather than continuing to 
try to get spare parts etc. I've also suggested they check the capacitors and 
fuses, especially on the Ethernet/SCSI cards, since the originator claims 
multiple failures. The Ethernet fuse in particular is likely very easy to trip 
because people these days aren't used to AUI adapters which generally *can not* 
be hot-plugged without blowing a fuse.

  -- Chris

Re: Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim

[Michael Thompson via cctalk]

>
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 00:22:52 -0700
> From: Brendan Shanks 
> Subject: Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim
>
> Something that I thought the folks here would appreciate: a fellow in
> Dubai is trying to keep a full-motion Boeing 737-300 sim (from 1991)
> running.
> The main host machine is a Sun/3E, connected over Ethernet to the operator
> workstation which has 2 Sun/3Es each with a cgtwo powering a CRT touch
> screen. One of the Sun VME SCSI/Ethernet boards died, and he?s been unable
> to find a (working) replacement board.
>
> There?s also a big rack of Concurrent hardware running OS/32, and some
> newer PCs for visuals and TCAS.
>
> Plenty of pictures and a video tour of all the hardware at:
> <
> https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/i8c8u7/how_do_i_emulate_a_sun_3e_computer_with_5018027/
> <
> https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/i8c8u7/how_do_i_emulate_a_sun_3e_computer_with_5018027/
> >>
>
> Brendan
>

I have a Sun 3/E, including a SCSI/Ethernet board, that ran fine the last
time it was powered on. There is a collector in southern Germany who also
has a 3/E board set. I didn't see any contact information for the simulator
owners.

-- 
Michael Thompson

Sun/3-powered 737 flight sim

[Brendan Shanks via cctalk]

Something that I thought the folks here would appreciate: a fellow in Dubai is 
trying to keep a full-motion Boeing 737-300 sim (from 1991) running.
The main host machine is a Sun/3E, connected over Ethernet to the operator 
workstation which has 2 Sun/3Es each with a cgtwo powering a CRT touch screen. 
One of the Sun VME SCSI/Ethernet boards died, and he’s been unable to find a 
(working) replacement board.

There’s also a big rack of Concurrent hardware running OS/32, and some newer 
PCs for visuals and TCAS.

Plenty of pictures and a video tour of all the hardware at:
>

Brendan