Re: Mame vt100 emulation. Cool
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 at 04:20, Kevin Lee via cctalk wrote: > > https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html MAME is a beast. Sometimes it kind of works (for other stuff), here it just hits me with an "Abort" with no indication as to why.
Re: Mame vt100 emulation. Cool
> https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html Also. https://github.com/phooky/VT100-Hax https://www.pcjs.org/machines/dec/vt100/
Mame vt100 emulation. Cool
https://zork.net/~st/jottings/Real-VT102-emulation-with-MAME.html FYI.
Re: VT100 emulation
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Ken Seefried via cctalk > wrote: > > From: Al Kossow >> >> a 7" android tablet based on the wondermedia wm8650 SOC >> ... >> these things are so old they've disappeared from the market >> > > Well...not 7", but there is this: > https://blackberrymobile.com/product/blackberry-key2/ > > KJ As long as you are connecting over the network, my iPod Touch works quite well for Multics and Unix, when running SecureCRT. It’s semi-usable for VMS (lacking in keys). The same app works pretty good with the iPad and large wireless keyboard. Zane
Re: VT100 emulation
The BBKey2 has punctuation on the keys. It's not all of them (|, & and \ aren't there), but the SYM key brings up an onscreen keyboard with those. Not ideal, but I would argue reasonable compromise for something relatively modern that fits in your pocket. Not sure about diacritics, but at least in the older BBs, my French and German colleagues didn't seem to have trouble sending messages with them. KJ On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:43 AM Liam Proven wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 17:05, Ken Seefried via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Well...not 7", but there is this: > > https://blackberrymobile.com/product/blackberry-key2/ > > True. > > I have not had or used an Android Blackberry with a hardware keyboard, > but I did have a Passport, the older QNX-based device. > > One thing to note about the keyboard is that is has no punctuation > marks at all. It only has letters, backspace, return, Alt and Shift. > > No keys for numbers or . , ' ? & * | > < etc. > > Some of these things are accessible with Alt, some with softkeys on > the display, and some will be hard to find at all. > > It was great for entering English text but I suspect it would be a > real handful for shell commands or in a terminal emulator. > > The Psion/Gemini keyboard doesn't have many, just these: > > , / > > ' ~ > . ? > > ... and it causes problems for non-English users. It has no keys for > æ, å, é, á, š and so on. There are workarounds but users of languages > with many diacritics tend to be very used to having dedicated keys for > these things. > > > > -- > Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com > Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven > UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: VT100 emulation
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 17:05, Ken Seefried via cctalk wrote: > > Well...not 7", but there is this: > https://blackberrymobile.com/product/blackberry-key2/ True. I have not had or used an Android Blackberry with a hardware keyboard, but I did have a Passport, the older QNX-based device. One thing to note about the keyboard is that is has no punctuation marks at all. It only has letters, backspace, return, Alt and Shift. No keys for numbers or . , ' ? & * | > < etc. Some of these things are accessible with Alt, some with softkeys on the display, and some will be hard to find at all. It was great for entering English text but I suspect it would be a real handful for shell commands or in a terminal emulator. The Psion/Gemini keyboard doesn't have many, just these: , / ' ~ . ? ... and it causes problems for non-English users. It has no keys for æ, å, é, á, š and so on. There are workarounds but users of languages with many diacritics tend to be very used to having dedicated keys for these things. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: VT100 emulation
From: Al Kossow > > a 7" android tablet based on the wondermedia wm8650 SOC > ... > these things are so old they've disappeared from the market > Well...not 7", but there is this: https://blackberrymobile.com/product/blackberry-key2/ KJ
Re: VT100 emulation
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 17:34, Ali wrote: > > It also runs Debian Linux and Jolla Sailfish. > > And this might be its greatest saving grace. Being able to run Linux makes it > super useful plus increases the useful life of the device maybe indefinitely > as you are not limited to the whims and desires of Google and the app store. Exactly so, yes. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
RE: VT100 emulation
> They plan to update Android but so far there's only been one update. > It's currently on Android 7.1. I'm hoping for 8 with Project Treble. > > > It also runs Debian Linux and Jolla Sailfish. And this might be its greatest saving grace. Being able to run Linux makes it super useful plus increases the useful life of the device maybe indefinitely as you are not limited to the whims and desires of Google and the app store. -Ali
Re: VT100 emulation
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 19:35, Ali wrote: > > > > Anything that runs a more up to date version of Android? > > > > Sure. The Gemini. > > > > https://www.planetcom.co.uk/ > > > > I have one. It's a lovely little device and quite well-made. I am not > > sure how robust it will be long-term. > > That is a nice device. I wonder if it is available in the US. Do you know if > they keep the OS up to date? Yes, it's available worldwide. I backed the kickstarter in January and got mine in July. I think they have now caught up with the backlog and are available at retail. I still have not received my peripherals yet, though -- nobody has. But the company is doing OK and discussing a 2nd model. They plan to update Android but so far there's only been one update. It's currently on Android 7.1. I'm hoping for 8 with Project Treble. The retro angle is that it's a licensed successor model to the late-1990s Psion Series 5 and 5MX. It has the same keyboard, licensed from Psion. The modern machine is thinner and does not have a removable battery (sadly). It also runs Debian Linux and Jolla Sailfish. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: VT100 emulation
On 9/9/2018 12:34 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 9/9/18 9:30 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: a 7" android tablet based on the wondermedia wm8650 SOC wow.. dug out my notes and I was looking at doing this six years ago :-( http://kernelhacks.blogspot.com/2012/06/arch-linux-on-wm8650-netbook.html this was back when I was thinking of making a USB smart RS232 dongle that could flip between DTE and DCE for it so you didn't have to fiddle with null modems I use a raspberry pi in a case with a touchscreen, small keyboard remote, and USB serial when I have to trek to the server room. I even run it all off a battery pack so I don't have to plug in. Todd
Re: VT100 emulation
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 03:18, Ali via cctalk wrote: > Android 4.2 > > Anything that runs a more up to date version of Android? Sure. The Gemini. https://www.planetcom.co.uk/ I have one. It's a lovely little device and quite well-made. I am not sure how robust it will be long-term. However, it's not really much use as a smartphone if you are a heavy user, as I am. I bought a used iPhone 6S+ instead and that's become my daily driver. I can see the Gemini being very useful as a pocket-sized writing tool, though. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053
Re: VT100 emulation
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jackpal.androidterm Jack is a friend from the my early days at Apple.
RE: VT100 emulation
> WM updated the SOC a couple of times. here is the 1.7ghz verison > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Android-Mini-Notebook-4GB-8GB-Laptop- > Netbook-Keyboard-Quad-Core-WIFI-Cam-PC-B/262784124103 > Android 4.2 Anything that runs a more up to date version of Android? There are a couple of great android terminal programs (e.g. Serial USB Terminal) that allow you to direct connect your android phone/tablet to a serial port and use it as a terminal. Not sure how many of them would run on Android 4.2 though... -Ali
Re: VT100 emulation
WM updated the SOC a couple of times. here is the 1.7ghz verison https://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Android-Mini-Notebook-4GB-8GB-Laptop-Netbook-Keyboard-Quad-Core-WIFI-Cam-PC-B/262784124103 On 9/9/18 9:34 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > > On 9/9/18 9:30 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: >> a 7" android tablet based on the wondermedia wm8650 SOC >> >> wow.. dug out my notes and I was looking at doing this six years ago :-( >> > > http://kernelhacks.blogspot.com/2012/06/arch-linux-on-wm8650-netbook.html > > this was back when I was thinking of making a USB smart RS232 dongle that > could > flip between DTE and DCE for it so you didn't have to fiddle with null modems > > >
Re: VT100 emulation
On 9/9/18 9:30 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > a 7" android tablet based on the wondermedia wm8650 SOC > > wow.. dug out my notes and I was looking at doing this six years ago :-( > http://kernelhacks.blogspot.com/2012/06/arch-linux-on-wm8650-netbook.html this was back when I was thinking of making a USB smart RS232 dongle that could flip between DTE and DCE for it so you didn't have to fiddle with null modems
Re: VT100 emulation
a 7" android tablet based on the wondermedia wm8650 SOC wow.. dug out my notes and I was looking at doing this six years ago :-( these things are so old they've disappeared from the market the only one I could find with a keyboard is https://www.ebay.com/itm/WonderMedia-WM8650-Android-2-2-256MB-RAM-800MHZ-7-PC-Laptop-Computer-w-Charger/381652819611 On 9/9/18 4:58 AM, Carlo Pisani wrote: >> I had given some thought over the last day or two about making a really tiny >> video terminal. >> A while ago, I had bought a couple of tablet ARM SOC LCD notebooks to try >> doing that. > > which model? >
Re: VT100 emulation
> I had given some thought over the last day or two about making a really tiny > video terminal. > A while ago, I had bought a couple of tablet ARM SOC LCD notebooks to try > doing that. which model?
Re: VT100 emulation
On 9/6/18 10:10 AM, Andrew Nesbit via cctalk wrote: > Second, does there exist anything like a “VT100 operating system”, that > emulates the VT100 directly on the bare metal of the machine? In this case > you’d use the external serial port to connect to the target machine. > > One example use case I have in mind here is connecting a serial cable to a > server’s BMC serial port for maintenance purposes, if it supports the VT100 > protocol, in crash cart scenarios. Is it possible to do something like this > by using the server’s PS/2 keyboard port and VGA monitor port? So, > essentially a KVM without the “M”? Is there some obvious constraint that > I’ve missed? > Really late serial terminal designs are essentially that, x86 cpu and chipset running a dedicated program from rom. Spare Time Gizmos built a pcb that was a VT100. http://sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/VT.htm If you REALLY want VT100 accuracy, put MAME on a RTOS emulating the VT100 I had given some thought over the last day or two about making a really tiny video terminal. A while ago, I had bought a couple of tablet ARM SOC LCD notebooks to try doing that.
VT100 emulation
Hello all, The current discussion about why VT100’s are so popular got me to rethinking a related topic. I’ve been thinking about this in the back of my mind for quite some time. First, what is the most faithful emulation software that runs on *nix systems? Or is it the case that if you are running, say, GNU/Linux in console mode, or xterm on X11, that you can get a fine emulator simply by having an accurate terminfo entry? Second, does there exist anything like a “VT100 operating system”, that emulates the VT100 directly on the bare metal of the machine? In this case you’d use the external serial port to connect to the target machine. One example use case I have in mind here is connecting a serial cable to a server’s BMC serial port for maintenance purposes, if it supports the VT100 protocol, in crash cart scenarios. Is it possible to do something like this by using the server’s PS/2 keyboard port and VGA monitor port? So, essentially a KVM without the “M”? Is there some obvious constraint that I’ve missed? Kind regards, Andrew Sent from my mobile phone
