Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Ed via cctalk]

PVM-9044QM uses a sony NP-1  battery  as  I remember   for  field  use.
we have some of these in master control that are  mounted  2 per  19 inch  
rack hanger.
we have smaller  ones that are  3 and 4 up also  for  monitoring feeds.
 
http://www.acuson.it/schedepdf/vx6KTWsw8S_PVM-9042QM(brch).pdf
is a good  ref on these monitors.
 
They re  very  fine devices but  yet   long  compared to the  'cube  type'  
that  look  more   vintage on the  apple 2  or??
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  \
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2017 9:16:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Wed,  Aug 23, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Mark J. Blair via  cctalk
 wrote:

> Now, you say you  want a color monitor. I think that similar color CCTV 
monitors
> are  even more commonly available. I haven't been paying close attention 
to  them
> since I've been looking for a specific monochrome monitor, but I  think 
I've seen
> various color ones bouncing off my brain's spam  filters. I think that 
one of the
> small, boxy, color CRT CCTV monitors  might look quite nice with your IIc.

Sony made an excellent, small  colour monitor, the PVM-9044QM. It's quite 
light
and portable. The reason I  like it so much is that it will take just
about any TV
rate video --  composite colour video (PAL, NTSC, NTSC-4.43, SECAM), S-video
(on any of  those standards), so-called 'component video' (Y and 2 colour
difference  signals), and RGB. At US or European scan rates. It can run off
the mains  (100-240V) or 12V DC (or I believe internal batteries, but I 
don't
have  them).

It's a Trinitron CRT (not surprisingly) and the unit is well  made and not 
too
hard to work on. You can get the service manual on the  web, but be sitting
down when you look at the schematics, it's not  simple.

The only problem is finding  one

-tony



>
> --
> Mark J. Blair,  NF6X 
>  http://www.nf6x.net/
>

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Ed via cctalk]

but  you have a VINTAGE computer  so use a VINTAGE  monitor  
yes a flat screen  works  well.
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2017 9:49:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Does it  have to be a CRT ? There a quite a few small LCD displays that  
take
NTSC

-pete

On Aug 22, 2017 3:51 PM, "John Ames via  cctech" 
wrote:

> I picked up an  Apple IIc this past weekend and I want to set it up
> with a small  monitor on my desk at work. Unfortunately, I seem to have
> gotten rid  of the small composite monitor that I know I had at one
> point, so I  don't have a good spare monitor that isn't a bit too large
> for my  workspace. I've been poking around looking at some options, but
> I'm  still waiting to find a decent one in my area, and if I'm going to

>  order online, I'd rather do it with people I can trust to actually
>  test the dang thing before selling it and pack it properly.
>
> In  short, I'm looking for a small NTSC CRT monitor or portable TV in
> the  7-12" range. I'm not stuck on aesthetics, but it would be nice to
> have  something that would sit nicely atop the IIc. I wouldn't mind an
>  actual Apple monitor, but I don't want to pay APPLE MAC IPHONE STEVE
>  JOBS L@@K prices; otherwise, I'd be happy with any suitable composite
>  video monitor, color or monochrome. If you happen to be within
>  reasonable driving distance of Folsom, CA, I'd be glad to pick it up
>  and save the trouble of shipping. Anybody got one to  spare?
>
>

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

I also acquired a monitor that way. I looked up places that did video work,
tape duplication, editing etc.

They either have sent to e-waste all their NTSC gear or have not got around
to doing it. If not, help them
out :-). I got rack unit with 2 side by side Sony monitors for free. I gave
the guy I was talking to $20 to buy
the guy who took it out of the rack for me and for himself to get a beer.

Also try your local TV stations. And if any independent news teams with a
van.

-pete



On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Ed via cctalk 
wrote:

> yes stacked back in the back area   behid  other  tonnage  there are  lots
> of these square  cabinet  monitors  both  color  and B/Wall  various
> sized
> many  names   sony Panasonic jvc  and  more. Wish  I had  these  when I had
>  my apple... they were expensive,  especially  the  color cube  broadcast
> monitors.
>
> I  could never bring myself  to ever toss any of them.
>
> the  stuff I  used  with the  apple  2   I  had  were old b/w  conrac
> monitors  with tubes in  them!
>
> I had other friends that had  converted TV's   so the TV  would accept
> straight composite  video thus  giving  a  sharper  image than stuff  run
> though modulators.
>
> I need  to  match   some of these up  with   some early video switchers
> for remote trucks  for a  display  and  a  few to save  for computers but
> at
> some point   we  will probably cut  20 or 30 them loose or  so.  ed#
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/22/2017 4:23:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
> I  suggest that you keep your eyes open for a small CRT-based CCTV monitor.
>  Possible sources include eBay, Craigslist, Goodwill, etc., as well as
> folks on  lists like this one.
>
> I've been looking for an old Sanyo VM-4209 or  VM-4509 monochrome monitor
> for a while, to put on my SOL-20. One of those  would be Just Right for the
> SOL-20, as well as for an early Apple II series  machine. The few I've seen
> have been in poor shape, yet listed for RARE L@@K  STEVE JOBS prices. I
> recently found a younger monitor via Goodwill. It's about  a decade too
> new to be
> Just Right for my SOL-20, but it at least has similar  boxy styling to the
> monitor I'd really like. Newer monitors like that are a  lot less rare, and
> still tend to have more reasonable prices. Something like  that might suit
> your needs well.
>
> Now, you say you want a color monitor.  I think that similar color CCTV
> monitors are even more commonly available. I  haven't been paying close
> attention to them since I've been looking for a  specific monochrome
> monitor, but I
> think I've seen various color ones bouncing  off my brain's spam filters. I
> think that one of the small, boxy, color CRT  CCTV monitors might look
> quite nice with your IIc.
>
> --
> Mark J.  Blair, NF6X  
> http://www.nf6x.net/
>
>
>

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Michael Mulhern via cctalk]

Keep an eye out for a Night Owl 7" LCD Security monitor. It has dual
composite inputs and is a great companion for my //c and is also
exceedingly convenient for taking to meet ups. Much easy to lump around
than a CRT.

Michael.

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 8:57 am, Pete Lancashire via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Does it have to be a CRT ? There a quite a few small LCD displays that take
> NTSC
>
> -pete
>
> On Aug 22, 2017 3:51 PM, "John Ames via cctech" 
> wrote:
>
> > I picked up an Apple IIc this past weekend and I want to set it up
> > with a small monitor on my desk at work. Unfortunately, I seem to have
> > gotten rid of the small composite monitor that I know I had at one
> > point, so I don't have a good spare monitor that isn't a bit too large
> > for my workspace. I've been poking around looking at some options, but
> > I'm still waiting to find a decent one in my area, and if I'm going to
> > order online, I'd rather do it with people I can trust to actually
> > test the dang thing before selling it and pack it properly.
> >
> > In short, I'm looking for a small NTSC CRT monitor or portable TV in
> > the 7-12" range. I'm not stuck on aesthetics, but it would be nice to
> > have something that would sit nicely atop the IIc. I wouldn't mind an
> > actual Apple monitor, but I don't want to pay APPLE MAC IPHONE STEVE
> > JOBS L@@K prices; otherwise, I'd be happy with any suitable composite
> > video monitor, color or monochrome. If you happen to be within
> > reasonable driving distance of Folsom, CA, I'd be glad to pick it up
> > and save the trouble of shipping. Anybody got one to spare?
> >
> >
>
-- 


*Blog: RetroRetrospective – Fun today with yesterday's gear……..
*
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Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

Does it have to be a CRT ? There a quite a few small LCD displays that take
NTSC

-pete

On Aug 22, 2017 3:51 PM, "John Ames via cctech" 
wrote:

> I picked up an Apple IIc this past weekend and I want to set it up
> with a small monitor on my desk at work. Unfortunately, I seem to have
> gotten rid of the small composite monitor that I know I had at one
> point, so I don't have a good spare monitor that isn't a bit too large
> for my workspace. I've been poking around looking at some options, but
> I'm still waiting to find a decent one in my area, and if I'm going to
> order online, I'd rather do it with people I can trust to actually
> test the dang thing before selling it and pack it properly.
>
> In short, I'm looking for a small NTSC CRT monitor or portable TV in
> the 7-12" range. I'm not stuck on aesthetics, but it would be nice to
> have something that would sit nicely atop the IIc. I wouldn't mind an
> actual Apple monitor, but I don't want to pay APPLE MAC IPHONE STEVE
> JOBS L@@K prices; otherwise, I'd be happy with any suitable composite
> video monitor, color or monochrome. If you happen to be within
> reasonable driving distance of Folsom, CA, I'd be glad to pick it up
> and save the trouble of shipping. Anybody got one to spare?
>
>

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

the cheapest ones are at school district auctions and sales... $10 a palate 
load 

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 Pete Lancashire  wrote:

I also acquired a monitor that way. I looked up places that did video work, 
tape duplication, editing etc.

They either have sent to e-waste all their NTSC gear or have not got around to 
doing it. If not, help them

out :-). I got rack unit with 2 side by side Sony monitors for free. I gave the 
guy I was talking to $20 to buy
the guy who took it out of the rack for me and for himself to get a beer.

Also try your local TV stations. And if any independent news teams with a van.

-pete




On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Ed via cctalk  wrote:

yes stacked back in the back area   behid  other  tonnage  there are  lots
of these square  cabinet  monitors  both  color  and B/W    all  various
sized
many  names   sony Panasonic jvc  and  more. Wish  I had  these  when I had
 my apple... they were expensive,  especially  the  color cube  broadcast
monitors.

I  could never bring myself  to ever toss any of them.

the  stuff I  used  with the  apple  2   I  had  were old b/w  conrac
monitors  with tubes in  them!

I had other friends that had  converted TV's   so the TV  would accept
straight composite  video thus  giving  a  sharper  image than stuff  run
though modulators.

I need  to  match   some of these up  with   some early video switchers
for remote trucks  for a  display  and  a  few to save  for computers but at
some point   we  will probably cut  20 or 30 them loose or  so.  ed#






In a message dated 8/22/2017 4:23:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I  suggest that you keep your eyes open for a small CRT-based CCTV monitor.
 Possible sources include eBay, Craigslist, Goodwill, etc., as well as
folks on  lists like this one.

I've been looking for an old Sanyo VM-4209 or  VM-4509 monochrome monitor
for a while, to put on my SOL-20. One of those  would be Just Right for the
SOL-20, as well as for an early Apple II series  machine. The few I've seen
have been in poor shape, yet listed for RARE L@@K  STEVE JOBS prices. I
recently found a younger monitor via Goodwill. It's about  a decade too new to 
be
Just Right for my SOL-20, but it at least has similar  boxy styling to the
monitor I'd really like. Newer monitors like that are a  lot less rare, and
still tend to have more reasonable prices. Something like  that might suit
your needs well.

Now, you say you want a color monitor.  I think that similar color CCTV
monitors are even more commonly available. I  haven't been paying close
attention to them since I've been looking for a  specific monochrome monitor, 
but I
think I've seen various color ones bouncing  off my brain's spam filters. I
think that one of the small, boxy, color CRT  CCTV monitors might look
quite nice with your IIc.

--
Mark J.  Blair, NF6X  
http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Tony Duell via cctalk]

>
> Late last year I picked up a Sony PVM-9041QM 9” ex-broadcast monitor
> for not much money at all, it sits nicely on top of an Apple ][ and looks
> excellent with a pair of Disk][s stacked next to it. There MUST be TV
> studios around your area pretty much throwing these out these days.

You have good taste. According to the manuals, that's the lower resolution
version of the PVM9044QM I recomended. A different CRT but otherwise
much the same.

-tony

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Tony Duell via cctalk]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Mark J. Blair via cctalk
 wrote:

> Now, you say you want a color monitor. I think that similar color CCTV 
> monitors
> are even more commonly available. I haven't been paying close attention to 
> them
> since I've been looking for a specific monochrome monitor, but I think I've 
> seen
> various color ones bouncing off my brain's spam filters. I think that one of 
> the
> small, boxy, color CRT CCTV monitors might look quite nice with your IIc.

Sony made an excellent, small colour monitor, the PVM-9044QM. It's quite light
and portable. The reason I like it so much is that it will take just
about any TV
rate video -- composite colour video (PAL, NTSC, NTSC-4.43, SECAM), S-video
(on any of those standards), so-called 'component video' (Y and 2 colour
difference signals), and RGB. At US or European scan rates. It can run off
the mains (100-240V) or 12V DC (or I believe internal batteries, but I don't
have them).

It's a Trinitron CRT (not surprisingly) and the unit is well made and not too
hard to work on. You can get the service manual on the web, but be sitting
down when you look at the schematics, it's not simple.

The only problem is finding one

-tony



>
> --
> Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
> http://www.nf6x.net/
>

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[drlegendre . via cctalk]

I do have at least one Apple IIc monitor around here, the small
green-screen as originally sold with the machine. Not sure where you're
located, but if it's practical, I'd certainly consider taking a trade for
it.

As for generic older crt, I am very fond of my BMC green screen, ca. 1982
or so. It's built on a 12" b TV platform, you can see all of the
vestigial features of a television case. Pretty sure it's just a standard
b TV, rebadged and fitted with a fairly hi-res green crt and no tuner.
Takes a single comp. video into an RCA on the back panel which previously
held some controls or possibly the antenna base.

I've been meaning to add a speaker and small (LM386?) audio amp so it can
do sound as well. Should be easy, there's a speaker mount pattern already
in the case and it seems that one should be able to derive an acceptable
+5-12V rail from one of the low-voltages on the board.

My only gripe is that the thing lacks a pilot lamp, and lacking input, you
can't tell if the power is on. So I stuck an orange LED on the front panel
with the old zener / 1n4007 / 10K trick.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Ed via cctalk 
wrote:

> yes stacked back in the back area   behid  other  tonnage  there are  lots
> of these square  cabinet  monitors  both  color  and B/Wall  various
> sized
> many  names   sony Panasonic jvc  and  more. Wish  I had  these  when I had
>  my apple... they were expensive,  especially  the  color cube  broadcast
> monitors.
>
> I  could never bring myself  to ever toss any of them.
>
> the  stuff I  used  with the  apple  2   I  had  were old b/w  conrac
> monitors  with tubes in  them!
>
> I had other friends that had  converted TV's   so the TV  would accept
> straight composite  video thus  giving  a  sharper  image than stuff  run
> though modulators.
>
> I need  to  match   some of these up  with   some early video switchers
> for remote trucks  for a  display  and  a  few to save  for computers but
> at
> some point   we  will probably cut  20 or 30 them loose or  so.  ed#
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/22/2017 4:23:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
> I  suggest that you keep your eyes open for a small CRT-based CCTV monitor.
>  Possible sources include eBay, Craigslist, Goodwill, etc., as well as
> folks on  lists like this one.
>
> I've been looking for an old Sanyo VM-4209 or  VM-4509 monochrome monitor
> for a while, to put on my SOL-20. One of those  would be Just Right for the
> SOL-20, as well as for an early Apple II series  machine. The few I've seen
> have been in poor shape, yet listed for RARE L@@K  STEVE JOBS prices. I
> recently found a younger monitor via Goodwill. It's about  a decade too
> new to be
> Just Right for my SOL-20, but it at least has similar  boxy styling to the
> monitor I'd really like. Newer monitors like that are a  lot less rare, and
> still tend to have more reasonable prices. Something like  that might suit
> your needs well.
>
> Now, you say you want a color monitor.  I think that similar color CCTV
> monitors are even more commonly available. I  haven't been paying close
> attention to them since I've been looking for a  specific monochrome
> monitor, but I
> think I've seen various color ones bouncing  off my brain's spam filters. I
> think that one of the small, boxy, color CRT  CCTV monitors might look
> quite nice with your IIc.
>
> --
> Mark J.  Blair, NF6X  
> http://www.nf6x.net/
>
>

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Ed via cctalk]

yes stacked back in the back area   behid  other  tonnage  there are  lots  
of these square  cabinet  monitors  both  color  and B/Wall  various  
sized
many  names   sony Panasonic jvc  and  more. Wish  I had  these  when I had 
 my apple... they were expensive,  especially  the  color cube  broadcast 
monitors.
 
I  could never bring myself  to ever toss any of them. 
 
the  stuff I  used  with the  apple  2   I  had  were old b/w  conrac 
monitors  with tubes in  them!
 
I had other friends that had  converted TV's   so the TV  would accept   
straight composite  video thus  giving  a  sharper  image than stuff  run 
though modulators.
 
I need  to  match   some of these up  with   some early video switchers  
for remote trucks  for a  display  and  a  few to save  for computers but at 
some point   we  will probably cut  20 or 30 them loose or  so.  ed#
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2017 4:23:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I  suggest that you keep your eyes open for a small CRT-based CCTV monitor. 
 Possible sources include eBay, Craigslist, Goodwill, etc., as well as 
folks on  lists like this one.

I've been looking for an old Sanyo VM-4209 or  VM-4509 monochrome monitor 
for a while, to put on my SOL-20. One of those  would be Just Right for the 
SOL-20, as well as for an early Apple II series  machine. The few I've seen 
have been in poor shape, yet listed for RARE L@@K  STEVE JOBS prices. I 
recently found a younger monitor via Goodwill. It's about  a decade too new to 
be 
Just Right for my SOL-20, but it at least has similar  boxy styling to the 
monitor I'd really like. Newer monitors like that are a  lot less rare, and 
still tend to have more reasonable prices. Something like  that might suit 
your needs well.

Now, you say you want a color monitor.  I think that similar color CCTV 
monitors are even more commonly available. I  haven't been paying close 
attention to them since I've been looking for a  specific monochrome monitor, 
but I 
think I've seen various color ones bouncing  off my brain's spam filters. I 
think that one of the small, boxy, color CRT  CCTV monitors might look 
quite nice with your IIc.

-- 
Mark J.  Blair, NF6X  
http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Adrian Graham via cctalk]

> 
> In short, I'm looking for a small NTSC CRT monitor or portable TV in
> the 7-12" range. I'm not stuck on aesthetics, but it would be nice to
> have something that would sit nicely atop the IIc. I wouldn't mind an
> actual Apple monitor, but I don't want to pay APPLE MAC IPHONE STEVE
> JOBS L@@K prices; otherwise, I'd be happy with any suitable composite
> video monitor, color or monochrome. If you happen to be within
> reasonable driving distance of Folsom, CA, I'd be glad to pick it up
> and save the trouble of shipping. Anybody got one to spare?

Late last year I picked up a Sony PVM-9041QM 9” ex-broadcast monitor for not 
much money at all, it sits nicely on top of an Apple ][ and looks excellent 
with a pair of Disk][s stacked next to it. There MUST be TV studios around your 
area pretty much throwing these out these days.

Cheers

—
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs - Celebrating Computing History from 1972 onwards

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Mark J. Blair via cctalk]

I suggest that you keep your eyes open for a small CRT-based CCTV monitor. 
Possible sources include eBay, Craigslist, Goodwill, etc., as well as folks on 
lists like this one.

I've been looking for an old Sanyo VM-4209 or VM-4509 monochrome monitor for a 
while, to put on my SOL-20. One of those would be Just Right for the SOL-20, as 
well as for an early Apple II series machine. The few I've seen have been in 
poor shape, yet listed for RARE L@@K STEVE JOBS prices. I recently found a 
younger monitor via Goodwill. It's about a decade too new to be Just Right for 
my SOL-20, but it at least has similar boxy styling to the monitor I'd really 
like. Newer monitors like that are a lot less rare, and still tend to have more 
reasonable prices. Something like that might suit your needs well.

Now, you say you want a color monitor. I think that similar color CCTV monitors 
are even more commonly available. I haven't been paying close attention to them 
since I've been looking for a specific monochrome monitor, but I think I've 
seen various color ones bouncing off my brain's spam filters. I think that one 
of the small, boxy, color CRT CCTV monitors might look quite nice with your IIc.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[John Ames via cctalk]

I don't like LCDs much, particularly for low-resolution applications
where the fundamental badness of upscaling from a non-native
resolution is truly jarring.

Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[John Ames via cctalk]

I picked up an Apple IIc this past weekend and I want to set it up
with a small monitor on my desk at work. Unfortunately, I seem to have
gotten rid of the small composite monitor that I know I had at one
point, so I don't have a good spare monitor that isn't a bit too large
for my workspace. I've been poking around looking at some options, but
I'm still waiting to find a decent one in my area, and if I'm going to
order online, I'd rather do it with people I can trust to actually
test the dang thing before selling it and pack it properly.

In short, I'm looking for a small NTSC CRT monitor or portable TV in
the 7-12" range. I'm not stuck on aesthetics, but it would be nice to
have something that would sit nicely atop the IIc. I wouldn't mind an
actual Apple monitor, but I don't want to pay APPLE MAC IPHONE STEVE
JOBS L@@K prices; otherwise, I'd be happy with any suitable composite
video monitor, color or monochrome. If you happen to be within
reasonable driving distance of Folsom, CA, I'd be glad to pick it up
and save the trouble of shipping. Anybody got one to spare?