Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Jon Elson]

On 11/10/2016 12:22 PM, Glen Slick wrote:

On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"  wrote:

The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).


Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly

the same.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272436936862

Sold for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?


Note the shipping is $150!

Jon

RE: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Ali]

>I suspect that Mr. 434 didn't know
> what he / she was dealing with and was lucky not to lose > 202.50 worth
> of their money and a lot of time.
> 
> thanks
> Jim

Time maybe, money no. This is the one reason eBay stays in business and people 
spend money there. You are basically guaranteed not to get screwed as a buyer - 
the same can't be said at many of the other sites (e.g. Etsy). This is also why 
sellers won't leave eBay because the buyers are not willing to go to a site w/ 
no guarantees, drop a wad of cash, and hope the seller delivers! Sellers can 
complain as much as they want but the truth is the eBay model allows and 
encourages bigger bids/higher selling prices.

-Ali

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[dwight]

The way you know it was a shill bit is that

the bidder will get a notice that the top bidder dropped

out.

With the newer rules that ebay came up with the second

bidder may be required to take it at their high bid if the

seller is willing to take that much for it.

It is really scummy.

The rule almost encourages shill bidding.

They know it but it is all about profit.

The other one is that you see the item relisted by the

same seller.

Dwight



From: cctalk  on behalf of jim stephens 

Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:42:18 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item



On 11/10/2016 10:22 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"  wrote:
>>> The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).
>>>
>> Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly
> the same.
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/272436936862
> Sold for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?
Someone with 434 feedback and history of vintage stuff bid the auction
up against a bidder with  private auction info.  I suspect the Private
guy was a shill, as the only information that is shared now is the
general history of bids for your opponent, and the count (if not private).

So concealing that history and count is the way the shill can obscure
their identity.  So still stinks.  I suspect that Mr. 434 didn't know
what he / she was dealing with and was lucky not to lose > 202.50 worth
of their money and a lot of time.

thanks
Jim

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Santo Nucifora]

I do watch the auctions for this Helios drive but won't bid.  Too much BS
going on with this seller, it seems.  I suspect the private seller is an
alter ego of his.

I did manage to find a Cromemco PFD Persci dual drive this morning on eBay
for $250.  I have every confidence this will come.  I would have no
confidence with the Helios seller.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:42 PM, jim stephens  wrote:

>
>
> On 11/10/2016 10:22 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
>
>> On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"  wrote:
>>
>>> The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).

 Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly
>>>
>> the same.
>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/272436936862
>>>
>> Sold for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?
>>
> Someone with 434 feedback and history of vintage stuff bid the auction up
> against a bidder with  private auction info.  I suspect the Private guy was
> a shill, as the only information that is shared now is the general history
> of bids for your opponent, and the count (if not private).
>
> So concealing that history and count is the way the shill can obscure
> their identity.  So still stinks.  I suspect that Mr. 434 didn't know what
> he / she was dealing with and was lucky not to lose > 202.50 worth of their
> money and a lot of time.
>
> thanks
> Jim
>
>

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[jim stephens]

On 11/10/2016 10:22 AM, Glen Slick wrote:

On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"  wrote:

The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).


Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly

the same.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272436936862

Sold for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?
Someone with 434 feedback and history of vintage stuff bid the auction 
up against a bidder with  private auction info.  I suspect the Private 
guy was a shill, as the only information that is shared now is the 
general history of bids for your opponent, and the count (if not private).


So concealing that history and count is the way the shill can obscure 
their identity.  So still stinks.  I suspect that Mr. 434 didn't know 
what he / she was dealing with and was lucky not to lose > 202.50 worth 
of their money and a lot of time.


thanks
Jim

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Glen Slick]

On Nov 4, 2016 8:03 AM, "Glen Slick"  wrote:
>
> > The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).
> >
>
> Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly
the same.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/272436936862

Sold for $202.50 this time around. Anyone here take the chance on it?

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Glen Slick]

> The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).
>

Maybe the listing was reported and removed. It was listed again exactly the
same.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272436936862

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Antonio Carlini]

On 02/11/16 00:12, Glen Slick wrote:

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen  wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795

This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then 
suddenly hours later appears for sale again.  I'm done bidding on this each time it 
appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller would cancel the 
auction.


"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"

What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10 foot pole.

Something seems odd about this seller "scroogemcduckbonaparte" and
their cousin "paperonebonaparte", who has positive feedback for
selling a "HELIOS II DISK SOL 20 8 INCHES FLOPPY WITH CONTROLLER
ALTAIR ERA IMSAI S100 BUS (#272205548861)" for $1,950.00 within the
last 6 months. "scroogemcduckbonaparte" has positive feedback as a
buyer from "paperonebonaparte" for several items over a year ago.


The listing seems to have vanished now. (Probably just as well).

Paperone is the Italian version of Disney's Scrooge McDuck.

paperonebonaparte also sold a PET for 350 euro and an Altair for $1136
and a C4004 microprocessor for 1297 euro.

He (or she) is obviously quite reasonable: the

" MITS Altair 8800a Lights Working! BILL GATES IMSAI 8080 - C4004 ERA PC 
DISK (#271980509395)"


was up for 2000 euro but a best offer was accepted :-)

Antonio

--
Antonio Carlini
arcarl...@iee.org

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[drlegendre .]

One thing is for certain: If it's in eBay's financial interest (page hits,
insertion and final value fees), and they can plausibly deny any liability
or other involvement, they will just let it ride - and the often
highly-touted TOS (aka "the rules") be damned.

In short - If they can skim a little profit off of others' crookery, whilst
keeping their own hands clean - they can and will allow it - always, and
without notable exception. Period.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Brad H 
wrote:

>
>
> I've been wondering about that one myself.  Very odd.  That's not the
> first time I've seen that either. Along with stuff that 'sells' for absurd
> amounts of money.
> At first I though the absurd sales were attempts to manipulate the
> market.. but it doesn't seem worth the effort or ebay fees.  I almost kind
> of wonder with some of them if something more sinister is going on.. like
> money laundering.  That'd be a fairly obscure way to do it..
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>  Original message 
> From: Corey Cohen 
> Date: 2016-11-01  4:43 PM  (GMT-08:00)
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
>
> This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then
> suddenly hours later appears for sale again.  I'm done bidding on this each
> time it appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the
> seller would cancel the auction.
>
> corey cohen
> uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Brad H]

I've been wondering about that one myself.  Very odd.  That's not the first 
time I've seen that either. Along with stuff that 'sells' for absurd amounts of 
money.
At first I though the absurd sales were attempts to manipulate the market.. but 
it doesn't seem worth the effort or ebay fees.  I almost kind of wonder with 
some of them if something more sinister is going on.. like money laundering.  
That'd be a fairly obscure way to do it..


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Corey Cohen  
Date: 2016-11-01  4:43 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
Subject: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795 

This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then 
suddenly hours later appears for sale again.  I'm done bidding on this each 
time it appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller 
would cancel the auction.  

corey cohen
uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Jon Elson]

On 11/01/2016 07:12 PM, Glen Slick wrote:

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen  wrote:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795

This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then 
suddenly hours later appears for sale again.  I'm done bidding on this each time it 
appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller would cancel the 
auction.


"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"

What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10 foot pole.


That violates PayPal rules.  You MUST ship within 7 days or 
you are in violation.


Jon

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Santo Nucifora]

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Corey Cohen 
wrote:

>  Sure if the unit worked or was confirmed to have an intact glass scale it
> might be worth a a ton.
>

It certainly weights a ton ;)

I've been watching these auctions too and now I understand the funny
business with this thread.  Wouldn't the potential buyers (if someone real
actually won) wonder why it's back up for sale?

Same seller sold the Altair 680.  I wonder if that buyer ever got it as
there is no feedback for the seller.

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Corey Cohen]

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Glen Slick  wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen  wrote:
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
>> 
>> This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then 
>> suddenly hours later appears for sale again.  I'm done bidding on this each 
>> time it appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the 
>> seller would cancel the auction.
>> 
> 
> "PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
> (IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"
> 
> What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10 foot pole.
> 
> Something seems odd about this seller "scroogemcduckbonaparte" and
> their cousin "paperonebonaparte", who has positive feedback for
> selling a "HELIOS II DISK SOL 20 8 INCHES FLOPPY WITH CONTROLLER
> ALTAIR ERA IMSAI S100 BUS (#272205548861)" for $1,950.00 within the
> last 6 months. "scroogemcduckbonaparte" has positive feedback as a
> buyer from "paperonebonaparte" for several items over a year ago.

Wow that is the same unit for sale.  It doesn't have the key power switch like 
all Helios but a replacement rocker one so you can identify it as the same 
unit.

Ok now this is getting really interesting.   My guess is his alter ego must 
keep winning.  He is trying to drive up the price.   Sure if the unit worked or 
was confirmed to have an intact glass scale it might be worth a a ton.  

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Al Kossow]

This is the same guy that "sold" an Alto a few months ago for an insane amt of 
money.

On 11/1/16 5:31 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
> More reasons to stay away:
> 
> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?29469-(not-mine)-Another-Altair-8800B-w-drive-on-feebay
> 

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Glen Slick]

More reasons to stay away:

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?29469-(not-mine)-Another-Altair-8800B-w-drive-on-feebay

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Doug Jackson]

Yep.  Stay away.

This seller is breaking eBay policies because that 21 days is required to allow 
the buyer to lodge a grievance if something is wrong.

The seller should avtually be reported.

Doug Jackson

On 2 November 2016 11:12:14 am AEDT, Glen Slick  wrote:
>On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen 
>wrote:
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
>>
>> This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and
>then suddenly hours later appears for sale again.  I'm done bidding on
>this each time it appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive
>or if the seller would cancel the auction.
>>
>
>"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
>(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"
>
>What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10
>foot pole.
>
>Something seems odd about this seller "scroogemcduckbonaparte" and
>their cousin "paperonebonaparte", who has positive feedback for
>selling a "HELIOS II DISK SOL 20 8 INCHES FLOPPY WITH CONTROLLER
>ALTAIR ERA IMSAI S100 BUS (#272205548861)" for $1,950.00 within the
>last 6 months. "scroogemcduckbonaparte" has positive feedback as a
>buyer from "paperonebonaparte" for several items over a year ago.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Glen Slick]

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Corey Cohen  wrote:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795
>
> This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then 
> suddenly hours later appears for sale again.  I'm done bidding on this each 
> time it appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the 
> seller would cancel the auction.
>

"PAYPAL USERS MUST WAIT COMPLETE CLEARANCE
(IT CAN REQUIRES ALSO 21 DAYS)"

What they heck does that mean? Not a seller I would touch with a 10 foot pole.

Something seems odd about this seller "scroogemcduckbonaparte" and
their cousin "paperonebonaparte", who has positive feedback for
selling a "HELIOS II DISK SOL 20 8 INCHES FLOPPY WITH CONTROLLER
ALTAIR ERA IMSAI S100 BUS (#272205548861)" for $1,950.00 within the
last 6 months. "scroogemcduckbonaparte" has positive feedback as a
buyer from "paperonebonaparte" for several items over a year ago.

What the heck is the deal with this eBay item

[Corey Cohen]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/272433760795 

This Helios II has been "sold" multiple times for varying amounts and then 
suddenly hours later appears for sale again.  I'm done bidding on this each 
time it appears, because if I won, who knows what I'd receive or if the seller 
would cancel the auction.  

corey cohen
uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ