Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21
On 2/22/2022 6:29 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: You could boot a packaged Linux that doesn't need installation but runs directly from the boot device. I haven't done this but I know they are out there and easy to use. I use Clonezilla for standalone Linux stuff (including backups) - they have ready to run UEFI USB images and CD images. You can get to a command prompt and enter "sudo bash" to get a root shell. Useful for all sorts of stuff. There are also Ubuntu "live" CD images out there, or at least were, a few years back. JRJ
Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21
You could boot a packaged Linux that doesn't need installation but runs directly from the boot device. I haven't done this but I know they are out there and easy to use. SimH complex and lots of setup? Not my experience. The documentation may be sparse in places, as I found when configuring a PDP-10 setup, but the PDP-11 setups are well documented. SCSI controller, that's beside the point. I assume it looks to the PDP-11 as an MSCP controller, right? It would have to be, else you'd have no chance of running a standard OS. If so, you'd just tell SIMH to configure an MSCP controller with a disk of size matching what you have. When you said "won't write a disk image to a real RX50" do you mean an RX50 drive, or an RX50 floppy in a plain PC 5.25 inch drive? I don't know about the former, but the latter has long worked for me. I haven't used Windows for stuff like that in ages, and don't want to use it if I can avoid it, but my RSTSFLX 2.6 can be build for DOS (using DJGPP). I don't have an executable of that version handy but could probably create one. That doesn't create from images, though; it manipulates RSTS file systems. A simple program to copy an image, along the lines of the rx50.py I mentioned, would not be hard to make. paul > On Feb 22, 2022, at 5:20 PM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk > wrote: > > I'm sure that will work. Unfortunatly dd is a linux command. > > I only have windows PC's. > > simH is highly complex and needs a lot of setup. ( I know - I tried - total > nightmare) > > It does not have support for the CMD CDD 220 SCSI controller and a RH-18A > > I have a working 11/83 with a 2gig SCSI drive and RX50.(it passes the diags > and boots XXDP+) > > None of the methods suggested so far gets me an RX50 bootable OS install set. > > Latest fail.. putR does not as claimed write disk images to a real RX50 under > W95. (write protect error) > > The SCSI25D costs $150 US in the UK. > > So the simple requirement to copy an RX50 disk image (which I have) to an > RX50 remains. > > Rod > > > > > > On 22/02/2022 19:27, Adam Thornton via cctalk wrote: >> The 11/83 question sounds like a job for SCSI2SD to me. Install a system >> with simh. dd the resulting disk image to your sd card. Hook the SCSI2SD >> up to your 11/83 and boot from the card. Copy the contents of that drive >> to your real SCSI drive. Done. >> >> SCSI2SD cards are not expensive and are a tremendous value for money.
Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21)
Unfortunately you cannot because you have to download the actual Linux image through the Windows Store. Ubuntu 20.04 weighs about half a gig plus whatever packages you install. Also, you need to turn on WSL through Add/Remove Windows Features. Hope that helps Ray Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Tom Manos Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:42:07 PM To: Ray Jewhurst Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21) I'd never heard of it until now. My main disk is reasonably full. Can I install it on a data disk? Tom -- Tom Manos, CTO Concursive Corporation On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 6:16 PM Ray Jewhurst mailto:raywjewhu...@gmail.com>> wrote: I prefer WSL 2. It now allows X-windows and file management between the Linux distro and Windows (at least 11,I'm not sure about 10) is very intuitive. Ray Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: cctalk mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org>> on behalf of Tom Manos via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:05:24 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> Subject: Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21) Or install Cygwin for a complete UNIX environment under Windoze. I don't use it all that much, but when you need it, it's fabulous. Tom -- Tom Manos, CTO Concursive Corporation On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 5:46 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > From: Rod Smallwood > > > dd is a linux command. > > UNIX, actually. (V5, I think: > > https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V5/usr/source/s1/dd.c > > There no 'man'page for it in V4. Anyway...) > > > > I only have windows PC's. > > There are Windoze versions. I've used this one: > > http://www.chrysocome.net/dd > > with success (under XP; probably works under others, too). > > Noel >
Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21)
I'd never heard of it until now. My main disk is reasonably full. Can I install it on a data disk? Tom -- Tom Manos, CTO Concursive Corporation On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 6:16 PM Ray Jewhurst wrote: > I prefer WSL 2. It now allows X-windows and file management between the > Linux distro and Windows (at least 11,I'm not sure about 10) is very > intuitive. > > Ray > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > -- > *From:* cctalk on behalf of Tom Manos via > cctalk > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:05:24 PM > *To:* General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > *Subject:* Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21) > > Or install Cygwin for a complete UNIX environment under Windoze. I don't > use it all that much, but when you need it, it's fabulous. > > Tom > -- > Tom Manos, CTO > Concursive Corporation > > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 5:46 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > From: Rod Smallwood > > > > > dd is a linux command. > > > > UNIX, actually. (V5, I think: > > > > https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V5/usr/source/s1/dd.c > > > > There no 'man'page for it in V4. Anyway...) > > > > > > > I only have windows PC's. > > > > There are Windoze versions. I've used this one: > > > > http://www.chrysocome.net/dd > > > > with success (under XP; probably works under others, too). > > > > Noel > > >
Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 3:29 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > On 22/02/2022 23:16, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:20 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk > > wrote: > >> I'm sure that will work. Unfortunatly dd is a linux command. > >> > >> I only have windows PC's. > >> > > You never answered if you have a SCSI controller in your PC, or have > > the ability to add a SCSI controller to your PC. If you don't, the > > whole discussion of using 'dd' or equivalent is moo. > > > > > >> simH is highly complex and needs a lot of setup. ( I know - I tried - > >> total nightmare) > >> > > If you think setting up and using SIMH is highly complex, wait until > > you find out how complex setting up and using real PDP-11 hardware is. > > > > > >> It does not have support for the CMD CDD 220 SCSI controller and a > RH-18A > >> > > Huh? SIMH emulates MSCP controllers and attached disks of arbitrary > > size just fine. > > PDP hardware setup ? Well I worked for digital between 1975 and 1985. > Then you should be able to make SIMH work, no problem. - Josh > > R > > >
Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21
On 22/02/2022 23:16, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:20 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: I'm sure that will work. Unfortunatly dd is a linux command. I only have windows PC's. You never answered if you have a SCSI controller in your PC, or have the ability to add a SCSI controller to your PC. If you don't, the whole discussion of using 'dd' or equivalent is moo. simH is highly complex and needs a lot of setup. ( I know - I tried - total nightmare) If you think setting up and using SIMH is highly complex, wait until you find out how complex setting up and using real PDP-11 hardware is. It does not have support for the CMD CDD 220 SCSI controller and a RH-18A Huh? SIMH emulates MSCP controllers and attached disks of arbitrary size just fine. PDP hardware setup ? Well I worked for digital between 1975 and 1985. R
Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:20 PM Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote: > > I'm sure that will work. Unfortunatly dd is a linux command. > > I only have windows PC's. > You never answered if you have a SCSI controller in your PC, or have the ability to add a SCSI controller to your PC. If you don't, the whole discussion of using 'dd' or equivalent is moo. > simH is highly complex and needs a lot of setup. ( I know - I tried - > total nightmare) > If you think setting up and using SIMH is highly complex, wait until you find out how complex setting up and using real PDP-11 hardware is. > It does not have support for the CMD CDD 220 SCSI controller and a RH-18A > Huh? SIMH emulates MSCP controllers and attached disks of arbitrary size just fine.
Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21)
I prefer WSL 2. It now allows X-windows and file management between the Linux distro and Windows (at least 11,I'm not sure about 10) is very intuitive. Ray Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: cctalk on behalf of Tom Manos via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:05:24 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21) Or install Cygwin for a complete UNIX environment under Windoze. I don't use it all that much, but when you need it, it's fabulous. Tom -- Tom Manos, CTO Concursive Corporation On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 5:46 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > From: Rod Smallwood > > > dd is a linux command. > > UNIX, actually. (V5, I think: > > https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V5/usr/source/s1/dd.c > > There no 'man'page for it in V4. Anyway...) > > > > I only have windows PC's. > > There are Windoze versions. I've used this one: > > http://www.chrysocome.net/dd > > with success (under XP; probably works under others, too). > > Noel >
Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21)
Or install Cygwin for a complete UNIX environment under Windoze. I don't use it all that much, but when you need it, it's fabulous. Tom -- Tom Manos, CTO Concursive Corporation On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 5:46 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > From: Rod Smallwood > > > dd is a linux command. > > UNIX, actually. (V5, I think: > > https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V5/usr/source/s1/dd.c > > There no 'man'page for it in V4. Anyway...) > > > > I only have windows PC's. > > There are Windoze versions. I've used this one: > > http://www.chrysocome.net/dd > > with success (under XP; probably works under others, too). > > Noel >
Re: 'dd' for Windoze (Was: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21)
> From: Rod Smallwood > dd is a linux command. UNIX, actually. (V5, I think: https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V5/usr/source/s1/dd.c There no 'man'page for it in V4. Anyway...) > I only have windows PC's. There are Windoze versions. I've used this one: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd with success (under XP; probably works under others, too). Noel
Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21
I'm sure that will work. Unfortunatly dd is a linux command. I only have windows PC's. simH is highly complex and needs a lot of setup. ( I know - I tried - total nightmare) It does not have support for the CMD CDD 220 SCSI controller and a RH-18A I have a working 11/83 with a 2gig SCSI drive and RX50.(it passes the diags and boots XXDP+) None of the methods suggested so far gets me an RX50 bootable OS install set. Latest fail.. putR does not as claimed write disk images to a real RX50 under W95. (write protect error) The SCSI25D costs $150 US in the UK. So the simple requirement to copy an RX50 disk image (which I have) to an RX50 remains. Rod On 22/02/2022 19:27, Adam Thornton via cctalk wrote: The 11/83 question sounds like a job for SCSI2SD to me. Install a system with simh. dd the resulting disk image to your sd card. Hook the SCSI2SD up to your 11/83 and boot from the card. Copy the contents of that drive to your real SCSI drive. Done. SCSI2SD cards are not expensive and are a tremendous value for money.
Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 89, Issue 21
The 11/83 question sounds like a job for SCSI2SD to me. Install a system with simh. dd the resulting disk image to your sd card. Hook the SCSI2SD up to your 11/83 and boot from the card. Copy the contents of that drive to your real SCSI drive. Done. SCSI2SD cards are not expensive and are a tremendous value for money.
