date:20081029


On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 20:51 -0400, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 10:40 -0700, MHR wrote:
  Heck, it's bad enough I talk to myself audibly
 
 Well, my grandma used to say it's OK to talk to yourself, but if you
 start answering yourself you're in trouble.  Following this theory,
 you're OK, but I don't know about Jerry!  :-)

Actually... Even answering yourself is fairly normal and not a sign of
any significant aberration. But you're in real trouble when you begin
arguing with yourself... and lose the argument.

Not so!

Is so!

Is not!
.
.
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 Phil
  snip rationalization of symptoms :-)

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RE: [CentOS] Re: [OT] Contents of CentOS digest...


On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 09:16 +0100, Sorin Srbu wrote:
 William L. Maltby  scribbled on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:13 PM:
 
  Geez! You guys hammer on others all the time, but then you forget to
  edit the subject line when replying to digests, as requested by TPB.
 
 TPB?? The Pirate Bay?

Arrrgh! I need two more cups of coffee. Should be TPTB.

Anyway, for those poor folks that still have to work for a living and
have no time to google, here's one link.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/


 
 /Sorin (Who would go googling to find a site with listing obscure acronyms,
 but opts to work instead... ;-)

IMO, all acronyms are obscure. That is their primary purpose -
obscurity. This enhances the exclusivity of those in the Profession
and slows the entry of new blood, thereby increasing the incomes of
those familiar with the jargon.

As increased on-line communication came to be in vogue, the utility of
the acronym increased, ostensibly for greater communication
efficiency. But they still serve their primary purpose.

YMMV  :-)


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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 5.3 Beta released, beta-testers needed

2008-10-29 Thread Mikael Fridh

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:36:35AM +, Karanbir Singh wrote:
 Dag Wieers wrote:
 https://rhn.redhat.com/rhn/software/channel/downloads/Download.do?cid=6002
 https://rhn.redhat.com/rhn/software/channel/downloads/Download.do?cid=6007

 Would be so much nicer if Red Hat also realised this [1] and made some  
 of those beta isos public.

I was really looking forward to testing this but when my download completes in
3 hours I might have forgotten about it completely.

I'm too used to 10MB/s local mirror speeds :/

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Re: [CentOS] Checking if a user is 'Disabled'

2008-10-29 Thread Peter Kjellstrom

On Tuesday 28 October 2008, R P Herrold wrote:
 On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Tom Brown wrote:
  I need to create some local users but then 'disable' that user. I know i
  can enable and disable the user by using usermod -L and -U but does
  anyone know if there is a way for me to see the current status of the
  user? ie locked or unlocked?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo passwd -l archive
 Locking password for user archive.
 passwd: Success
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo passwd -S archive
 archive LK 2008-07-15 0 9 7 -1 (Password locked.)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$

Worth noting is that this locking only refers to password authentication. If 
the user has a key in his/hers authorized_keys then they will still be able 
to login.

/Peter

 see also: man chage

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Re: [CentOS] changing partition priority on install

2008-10-29 Thread Monty Shinn


Phil Schaffner wrote:

On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 14:59 -0500, Monty Shinn wrote:

Greetings.

I am in the process of installing 5.1 64 bit on a server.  The server 
has 2 3ware cards: 9550SX 12 port, and a 8006 2 port, both SATA.


Any reason not to use 5.2?  Will save a lot of updates, and perhaps some
headaches.


snip


I have vague recollections of having fixed similar problems by tweaking
the device ordering in initrd and/or modprobe.conf; however, backing up
a step, why do you need to change the order to make things work?  You
can install GRUB on the boot device MBR, whatever that may be, and put
the OS on the device you want it on without changing the ordering.

Phil


snip

Phil,

There are a couple of reasons, although they may make no sense.  First, 
I did not want a multiple point of failure.  If the boot loader is on 
the MBR of /dev/sda, and the os is on /dev/sdb, then you have a multiple 
point of failure.  If either card dies, then I am hosed.  It would be 
*similar* to running a RAID0 on the os.  Not a good idea IMHO.


Also, if I wanted to replace the data drives in the future, I couldn't 
just unmount the partition and replace the drives.  The boot loader 
would be gone as well.


I did not find an option during the install prep to re-locate grub to 
the MBR of /dev/sdb.  I probably should try the text-based installer to 
see if there are more options.


Heck, I may just remove the 9550 board until the initial os install is 
completed.  That should accomplish what I am trying to achieve.  Just 
seems like there should be a more elegant way of doing this.


I am installing 5.1 because I have the isos on hand.  I was just going 
to let yum update me to 5.2...


Thanks for your help,

Monty
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[CentOS] resize LVM (ext3)

2008-10-29 Thread David Hláčik

Hello guys,

my scenario is following


   1. I have LVM group named system
   2. I have a logical volumes
  - system/root , ext3 mounted as / (20GB)
  - system/swap, swap
  - system/home, ext3 mounted as /home (431GB)

I need to shrink system/home to 80GB (currently there is 57GB used) and use
free space to create another logical volumes.

My scenario is


   1. reduce ext3 fs size to 80GB by using resize2s
   2. reduce system/home size by using lvreduce
   3. create another logical volumes

Questions


   1. How can i be sure that i will shrink ext3 to exact size 80GB and that
   the same will lvreduce do? I do not want to cut from ext3 filesystem if i
   will reduce logical volume too much
   2. Can you please send me commands to achieve 1) and 2) part of my
   scenario?
   3. Or can i just use lvreduce and my ext3 will shrink automatically?
   4. Do i need to umount system/home when resizing?

Thanks in advance!

David
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Re: [CentOS] resize LVM (ext3)

2008-10-29 Thread Luciano Rocha

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:58:32PM +0100, David Hláčik wrote:
snip
1. How can i be sure that i will shrink ext3 to exact size 80GB and that

dev=/dev/system/home
resize2fs $dev 80G

Then, to be sure of the real size:
blks=$(tune2fs -l $dev | awk -F: '/Block size/ { print $2/512 }')
fssize=$(tune2fs -l $dev |
  awk -v bs=$blks -F: '/Block count/{print $2*bs}')

Now, $fssize has the complete size in bytes. Verify it:
echo $fssize

Now, for lvresize:
lvresize -L 80G system/home

Verify that the printed target size matches the wanted value.

3. Or can i just use lvreduce and my ext3 will shrink automatically?

NO! lvreduce doesn't care about what's inside, and will happily lose
data.

4. Do i need to umount system/home when resizing?

Yes, and you must do a full fsck also:

e2fsck -f /dev/system/home

Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] resize LVM (ext3)

2008-10-29 Thread David Hláčik



 Now, for lvresize:
 lvresize -L 80G system/home

Are you sure there should not be lvreduce -L 80G system/home ?

Thanks!

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Re: [CentOS] freenx 7.3?

Les Mikesell wrote:
 Johnny Hughes wrote:
 Les Mikesell wrote:
 Has anyone built a freenx 7.3 for Centos 5?  I'd like to be able to use
 the session shadow mode on some machines.


 Les,

 You can try the version of freenx here:

 http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/nx/

 (freenx-0.7.3 is there, the NX is same as released version)
 If it all works well, we can release this version of freenx.
 
 Thanks! The i386 version installs OK, works at least as well as the
 previous version and I have been able to connect to a shadow session of
 another freenx session.

Glad that it works, it also seems to work for me on i386 and x86_64.

 However, I think I'm missing something about
 how to connect to a shadowed console session.  If I configure the client
 to use a vnc session, I can see it as vnc-local but haven't been able to
 connect even though I am connecting as the same user.  Do I need to set
 a password for this?  Is documentation for the new features available
 somewhere?
 

I do not know how to connect to a local vnc session using the NX client,
though I was going to look into that.  If I figure something out I will
post here, though I am not sure when I can look at it.



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

Spike Turner wrote:
 R P Herrold  wrote:
 
 yada, yada, grumble, mumble
 
 You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage 
 is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph
 could have stopped wasting time and simply edited
 the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.
 
 Is the C in CentOS supposed to be Community or 
 Communist? Maybe T from Totalitarian would be more
 appropriate?
 
 Spike.

It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.

I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there are only so
many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat and pay for
my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free project so you
can have a free operating system that you do not appreciate.  So that
you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for free to suit
your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying F$$$ what you
think.  I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit.  Nope, nada,
don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA

The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and provide links,
it would be quite nice if we had a sugar daddy like feodra ... it would
also be nice if we had 1500 people who would do the web page updates,
but you know what ... that is not what we have.  We are not Debian or
Fedora with thousands of developers or dollars.  We are a group of 10-20
active developers who care about the code, the ISOs and the trees that
we distribute.  The main website is not our major concern, though we
would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.

If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another distro that has
more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old antics.

Thanks,
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Re: [CentOS] Possibly OT: intermittently long response times, when connecting to host

2008-10-29 Thread David G. Miller


Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:30 -0500, David Miller wrote:
  

 I have a CentOS 5.2 server running Apache 2.2.3 (yum installed) and
 drupal 6.5 on ESX 3.5. We're using Name Based Virtual Hosting on it -
 2 hosts. The problem is that when I pull up a web page after not
 having accessed it for ~15+ minutes it takes between 10-12s to load
 fully. The 2nd page, 3rd page - and sometimes more than that - take
 between 8-12 second. After that - decent performance, though not great
 (0.3s to 2s). Wait ~15 minutes, maybe more, maybe less, and it goes
 back to slow. While it's been most apparent with httpd, I've noticed
 similar slowness with the initial ssh session, etc.
 

snip


sounds sleepy - perhaps the mysql connections drop after inactivity and
then it takes that long to connect

You might just want to set up a cron script that does a curl or wget of
a standard page every 2 minutes or so just to keep things active.
  
I'm working with some folks to develop a web site with a very similar 
configuration (Apache, Drupal, MySQL, not sure which Linux distro is 
underneath it all though) that's hosted by IX web hosting.  We are 
seeing very similar behavior.  It has gotten better since we complained 
to IX but we still see a significant lag the first time the site loads.  
The fast load on subsequent visits could be explained by Drupal doing 
some caching of needed items so it doesn't have to go to the database.


The initial site load time became much more noticeable after IX took 
some kind of hit on their DB server.  All we know is the site suddenly 
couldn't connect to the database, they fixed something on their end and 
the database came back but we've had the long lag for first load ever since.


BTW, pleased to make your acquaintance, Dave.

Cheers,
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Re: [CentOS] resize LVM (ext3)

2008-10-29 Thread Luciano Rocha

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:38:06PM +0100, David Hláčik wrote:
 
 
  Now, for lvresize:
  lvresize -L 80G system/home
 
 Are you sure there should not be lvreduce -L 80G system/home ?

Same thing. I prefer the direction-neutral lvresize.

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[CentOS] Re: Apparently no swap configured

2008-10-29 Thread James B. Byrne

Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:29:43 -0700
From: Scott Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wrote:

 Even though the recommended swap is 2 times system memory, I have
 never made a swap partition over 2 GB. Maybe I am also flirting
 with disaster, but haven't been bit yet in years.

I believe that the current recommendation is 2 x physical memory up to 2
GB and then 1 x physical memory thereafter.

See:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Deployment_Guide/s1-swap-what-is.html

 Swap should equal 2x physical RAM for up to 2 GB of physical RAM, and
then an additional 1x physical RAM for any amount above 2 GB, but never
less than 32 MB.

So, if:

M = Amount of RAM in GB, and S = Amount of swap in GB, then

If M  2
S = M *2
Else
S = M + 2

Using this formula, a system with 2 GB of physical RAM would have 4 GB of
swap, while one with 3 GB of physical RAM would have 5 GB of swap.
Creating a large swap space partition can be especially helpful if you
plan to upgrade your RAM at a later time.

For systems with really large amounts of RAM (more than 32 GB) you can
likely get away with a smaller swap partition (around 1x, or less, of
physical RAM). 

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[CentOS] how to get rid of kerberos

2008-10-29 Thread Marcelo M. Garcia


Hi

How to get rid of kerberos, or at least to prevent to go into path? 
Where is defined the path for users?


I need to configure and use rtools (I know that I should use ssh, but I 
need rtools) and I think very annoying the messages from Kerberized rsh 
or rlogin, like this:

-sh-3.2$ rsh kitten02
connect to address 192.168.89.2 port 543: Connection refused
Trying krb4 rlogin...
connect to address 192.168.89.2 port 543: Connection refused
trying normal rlogin (/usr/bin/rlogin)
Last login: Tue Jun  3 20:17:32 from kitten01
-sh-3.2$

But if kerberos is not in path, everything works fine:
-sh-3.2$ rsh kitten02
Last login: Tue Jun  3 20:13:13 from kitten01
-sh-3.2$

Thanks

Marcelo
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Re: [CentOS] Minimal CentOS

Karanbir Singh wrote:
 Puneet Goel wrote:
 I need a light version of CentOS (I am very much particular
 about OS identity and the final product will retain the parent OS
 identity and quality).  Can you provide me some kickstart file or
 something else which can help me in making a final thing.  I do not
 need eye candies/OpenOffice/Adobe flash/Games/Media Player etc. Just a
 usable desktop, a lightweight file browser and desktop with icons (may
 be XFE). Redundant locale, man, doc, /lib/modules etc. will be removed
 as well.
 
 Take a look at the CentOS-5.2 LiveCD - thats a good place to start, Can
 you work with that ? Its got a fully functional gnome desktop with a lot
 of other things that you can get rid of if you dont need. I've seen
 usable CentOS + Gnome desktops running from a 480MB squashfs store.
 
 

The key here would be to do something in a compressed system like
squashfs ... then you can do 2-3 GB of stuff in 500MB.  However, there
is going to be some performance hit in doing that.  You can't get a 100
pounds of sugar in a 10 pound sack :D



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Re: [CentOS] Re: Apparently no swap configured

2008-10-29 Thread Stephen Harris

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:56:34AM -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
I believe that the current recommendation is 2 x physical memory up to 2
GB and then 1 x physical memory thereafter.

See:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Deployment_Guide/s1-swap-what-is.html

Swap should equal 2x physical RAM for up to 2 GB of physical RAM, and
then an additional 1x physical RAM for any amount above 2 GB, but never
less than 32 MB.

That's a silly recommendation, and never been true for Linux. RedHat
don't always know what they're talking about.

In older BSD systems (eg around SunOS 4 times or before) swap space was
utilised oddly; all memory was allocated from swap, so you needed _at
least_ physmem of swap just to use all your real memory! So if you
added physmem of swap then your total virtual memory size was still
only physmem. No help! So the rule of thumb came along that said
swap = 2*physmem and that gave you a VM of 2*physmem. Linux never
did this (and I don't think modern BSDs do, either) so adding physmem
of swap will automatically give you twice physmem of VM.

So the old BSD 'swap=2*physmem' rule of thumb is now a linux
'swap=physmem' guideline instead.

But it's still just a rule of thumb, or a guideline. How much swap you need
depends on your circumstances and load. If you have 4Gb of RAM and find
the system is using most of it for cache then you may not even need any
swap!

rgds
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Re: [CentOS] Possibly OT: intermittently long response times when connecting to host

David Miller wrote:
 --snip--
 
 sounds sleepy - perhaps the mysql connections drop after inactivity and
 then it takes that long to connect

 You might just want to set up a cron script that does a curl or wget of
 a standard page every 2 minutes or so just to keep things active.

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 hmmm you may be onto something there, Craig. Since it was the same
 environment (we set up lots of LAMP servers and use a common MySQL
 backend) I gave it the benefit of the doubt when I was initially
 troubleshooting (the connection was there and everything looked sane).
 I'll take another look at that.

Also, take a good look at the logs /var/log/messages and dmesg for hard
drive errors.  Lots of times a bad drive will cause controller bus
resets that happen intermittently ... that can cause a 5-10 second delay
and then things seem to work fine till the next time.



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Re: [CentOS] resize LVM (ext3)

2008-10-29 Thread Filipe Brandenburger

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 07:58, David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How can i be sure that i will shrink ext3 to exact size 80GB and that the
 same will lvreduce do? I do not want to cut from ext3 filesystem if i will
 reduce logical volume too much

Reduce the filesystem to 78G or 79G with resize2fs, then reduce the LV
to 80G, then grow the ext3 filesystem again to fill all the LV. This
should make it safer when cutting the LV.

HTH,
Filipe
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Re: [CentOS] Possibly OT: intermittently long response times when connecting to host

David Miller wrote:
 --snip--
 
 sounds sleepy - perhaps the mysql connections drop after inactivity and
 then it takes that long to connect

 You might just want to set up a cron script that does a curl or wget of
 a standard page every 2 minutes or so just to keep things active.

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 hmmm you may be onto something there, Craig. Since it was the same
 environment (we set up lots of LAMP servers and use a common MySQL
 backend) I gave it the benefit of the doubt when I was initially
 troubleshooting (the connection was there and everything looked sane).
 I'll take another look at that.

Also, make sure that this is not set in apache (the default is Off ...
but things like that can take massive amounts of time):

HostnameLookups On



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Re: [CentOS] resize LVM (ext3)


On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 10:15 -0400, Filipe Brandenburger wrote:
 snip

 Reduce the filesystem to 78G or 79G with resize2fs, then reduce the LV
 to 80G, then grow the ext3 filesystem again to fill all the LV. This
 should make it safer when cutting the LV.

That's what I always do. It eliminates small chances of my math
disagreeing with resize2fs's math. Plus, IIRC, then the second re-size
doesn't need a size parameter. Resize2fs will automatically grow to the
maximum allowed by the partition/logvol.

 
 HTH,
 Filipe
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Re: [CentOS] how to get rid of kerberos

2008-10-29 Thread Tony Schreiner

/usr/kerberos/bin  gets put in your path by /etc/profile.d/krb5- 
workstation.sh  or krb5-workstation.csh.


You can move them or comment them to prevent them from working

or

yum remove krb-workstation

to remove the package.

But you do know that rsh is not safe on an open network right?

Tony Schreiner
Boston College

On Oct 29, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Marcelo M. Garcia wrote:


Hi

How to get rid of kerberos, or at least to prevent to go into path?  
Where is defined the path for users?


I need to configure and use rtools (I know that I should use ssh,  
but I need rtools) and I think very annoying the messages from  
Kerberized rsh or rlogin, like this:

-sh-3.2$ rsh kitten02
connect to address 192.168.89.2 port 543: Connection refused
Trying krb4 rlogin...
connect to address 192.168.89.2 port 543: Connection refused
trying normal rlogin (/usr/bin/rlogin)
Last login: Tue Jun  3 20:17:32 from kitten01
-sh-3.2$

But if kerberos is not in path, everything works fine:
-sh-3.2$ rsh kitten02
Last login: Tue Jun  3 20:13:13 from kitten01
-sh-3.2$

Thanks

Marcelo
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[CentOS] Centos4.7, PHP5.1.6 MSSQL

2008-10-29 Thread Adriano dos Santos Vieira (Hapia IN)

Hi, guys!

How could I install mssql module on my environment? There are any
centos-4.7 binary repository for this module?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [CentOS] RHEL 5.3 Beta released, beta-testers needed

2008-10-29 Thread Dag Wieers


On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Mikael Fridh wrote:


On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:36:35AM +, Karanbir Singh wrote:

Dag Wieers wrote:

https://rhn.redhat.com/rhn/software/channel/downloads/Download.do?cid=6002
https://rhn.redhat.com/rhn/software/channel/downloads/Download.do?cid=6007


Would be so much nicer if Red Hat also realised this [1] and made some
of those beta isos public.


I was really looking forward to testing this but when my download completes in
3 hours I might have forgotten about it completely.

I'm too used to 10MB/s local mirror speeds :/


Bringing down the barrier for people to test and report problems for 
RHEL Betas is something we have to discuss together with Red Hat. I 
discussed some of my wishes in an earlier blog post:


http://dag.wieers.com/blog/rhel-beta-test-sig

but the dialogue has not taken place yet.

I think this is one of those very profound win-win situations that we have 
to take advantage of.


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[CentOS] Can one invoke multiple INSTANCEs of Firefox on CentOS

2008-10-29 Thread James B. Byrne

I am doing some testing with XForms and I really need a separate instance
of Firefox, one that shares nothing with my primary instance that has
various reference works and web sites open, to test forms.  Is this even
possible?  I have a sense from the small bit of testing that I have done
that even with separate profiles and invoking the firefox process manually
from different terminal windows does not provide a completely separate
running instance on the desktop.

Is there a way to do this?  If so then how?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

2008-10-29 Thread Lanny Marcus

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Johnny Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Spike Turner wrote:
 R P Herrold  wrote:

 yada, yada, grumble, mumble

 You know after all this time the CentOS frontpage
 is still showing out of date info. You and Ralph
 could have stopped wasting time and simply edited
 the link to 4.7 instead of 4.4 as is the case now.

 Is the C in CentOS supposed to be Community or
 Communist? Maybe T from Totalitarian would be more
 appropriate?

 Spike.

 It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.

 I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there are only so
 many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat and pay for
 my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free project so you
 can have a free operating system that you do not appreciate.  So that
 you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for free to suit
 your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying F$$$ what you
 think.  I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit.  Nope, nada,
 don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA

 The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and provide links,
 it would be quite nice if we had a sugar daddy like feodra ... it would
 also be nice if we had 1500 people who would do the web page updates,
 but you know what ... that is not what we have.  We are not Debian or
 Fedora with thousands of developers or dollars.  We are a group of 10-20
 active developers who care about the code, the ISOs and the trees that
 we distribute.  The main website is not our major concern, though we
 would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.

 If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another distro that has
 more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old antics.

 Thanks,
 Johnny Hughes

I believe Johnny's words were very well chosen, accurate, excellent
and to the point. He and the other CentOS Developers should know how
much 99% of the CentOS user base appreciate their hard work, time and
dedication to this project. Very rare for us to see Johnny respond
like this and he was correct to do this. I don't think I have ever
seen him write something like that before.  How easy it is to be
critical and call people Communists, on a public, technical mailing
list.
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Re: [CentOS] Possibly OT: intermittently long response times when connecting to host

2008-10-29 Thread David Miller

--snip--

 Also, take a good look at the logs /var/log/messages and dmesg for hard
 drive errors.  Lots of times a bad drive will cause controller bus
 resets that happen intermittently ... that can cause a 5-10 second delay
 and then things seem to work fine till the next time.


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I should have mentioned that /var/log/messages, /var/log/secure,
/var/log/dmesg, /var/log/audit/audit.log well, any log I could
think of - none show anything out of the ordinary.
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Re: [CentOS] boot problems

2008-10-29 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain


On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 at 9:35pm, Phil Schaffner wrote


At the risk of sounding even MORE pedantic, many would appreciate it if
you ran a spell-checker as well.  (Grammar checkers seem to be beyond
the state-of-the-art in email clients.) :D

The GRUB shell is quiet powerful and can help in debugging your

^
Thus conforming to the rule that every spelling flame must contain at 
least one typo of its own -- well done!  ;)


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Re: [CentOS] A few general questions

2008-10-29 Thread Lanny Marcus

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM, kevin kempter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 The macbook is ok but it just doesn't cut it per productivity so I've
 ordered another laptop
 (a 64bit laptop with 8G of memory expandable to 16G and 2 internal 320G
 7200rpm drives)

 I'll be loading Linux as soon as the machine arrives from Dell.

Kevin: I suggest you try the CentOS 5.2 Live CD on it, after you
receive the laptop. Then, you will know if CentOS is the distro for
that Laptop. CentOS is an Enterprise Distro and not well suited to the
latest HW, especially on a Laptop. If CentOS doesn't work on it, the
way you want it to, consider running Fedora or Ubuntu or something
else on it. The Live CD's make it very easy to check out how a Distro
will work on the HW you have.

 Here's my questions:

 1) Are there any published plans for CentOS to support KDE4, or is there a
 way to upgrade CentOS to KDE4 ?

If you upgrade to something that is not supported by the distro, you
broke it and  you fix it.
snip
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Re: [CentOS] replace

2008-10-29 Thread Marcelo Roccasalva

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Phil Schaffner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mad Unix wrote:

 i need your feedback about this command, it should find a string in
 multiple html files in a directory and replace it with a different
 string...

 find /dir -name *.html -exec sed -i 's/old/new/g' {} \;

 Mad Unix,

 find /dir -name *.html -exec sed -i -e 's/old/new/g' {} \;

find /dir -name *.html | xargs sed -i -e 's/old/new/g'

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Re: [CentOS] Checking if a user is 'Disabled'

2008-10-29 Thread Bill Campbell

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008, Peter Kjellstrom wrote:
On Tuesday 28 October 2008, R P Herrold wrote:
 On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Tom Brown wrote:
  I need to create some local users but then 'disable' that user. I know i
  can enable and disable the user by using usermod -L and -U but does
  anyone know if there is a way for me to see the current status of the
  user? ie locked or unlocked?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo passwd -l archive
 Locking password for user archive.
 passwd: Success
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo passwd -S archive
 archive LK 2008-07-15 0 9 7 -1 (Password locked.)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$

Worth noting is that this locking only refers to password authentication. If 
the user has a key in his/hers authorized_keys then they will still be able 
to login.

I'm not sure that is true.  I know if I attempt an ssh login to
an account with authorized_keys where no account has been set for
the user, the login fails (e.g. accounts created by kickstart for
which no password is assigned during installation).

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Re: [CentOS] cmirror - CentOS

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greetings,

:
 OT- On Fossils:
 While I cannot claim Fossil state anywhere near some of the people who
 were doing cards -- I knew about them though -- when I was born, I have had
 my spell flicking switches to select boot device on a Texas Instrument DS
 990 switching between the Washing machine disk and the 9 tape drive. (Now
 this is in India when a lot of restrictions -- both by Indian and other
 governments -- were there in Technology imports) The interesting part of it
 was the entirely memory mapped design and barely a few registers...
 and then in Prime 750 which had 5 huge boards which constituted a CPU. and a
 hefty amount of RAM -- 8MB. The thigs is they worked 24x7 and we were
 required to give a month's notice before shutting them down / rebooting
 unless there was a breakdown which was very rare. Just like Linux
 ^H^H^H^H^H^H Centos Servers


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

Lanny Marcus wrote:

 I believe Johnny's words were very well chosen,
 accurate, excellent
 and to the point. He and the other CentOS Developers should
 know how
 much 99% of the CentOS user base appreciate their hard
 work, time and
 dedication to this project. Very rare for us to see Johnny
 respond
 like this and he was correct to do this. I don't think
 I have ever
 seen him write something like that before.  How easy it is
 to be
 critical and call people Communists, on a
 public, technical mailing
 list.
 

I believe it was a rhetorical question if the C is for
the non-existent Community participation or if the C is
for Communism. Nowhere were people called Communists.

Spike.


  

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

Johnny Hughes  wrote:

 It is not about you ... please stop bring a complete ass.
 
 I edit the CentOS main page ... and you know what, there
 are only so
 many hours in a day, where I have to do $work so I can eat
 and pay for
 my house, as well as spend 40-60 hours a week on a free
 project so you
 can have a free operating system that you do not
 appreciate.  So that
 you can then tell me that I do not do enough things for
 free to suit
 your taste ... you know what ... i do not give a flying
 F$$$ what you
 think.  I do not care at all ... not one tiny little bit. 
 Nope, nada,
 don't care ... I CAN'T HEAR YOU ... LA LA LA LA
 
 The main CentOS page is there to explain the product and
 provide links,
 
  The main website is not our major concern,
 though we
 would like it to be up2date, and did try to update it.
 
 If you don't like it .. GREAT .. please move to another
 distro that has
 more tolerance for whining, non-appreciative, 12 year-old
 antics.
 

Calm down Johnny, don't lose it. Some constructive criticism 
should be welcomed. I thought the withholding of kernel updates
for two weeks and the non-update of the CentOS webpage were a 
deliberate action by the same individual(s) but I may have been 
wrong.

I would not like CentOS to go the same way as Whitebox and 10-20
devs should in a community share the roles rather than leaving 
it all to one person.

Spike.


  

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

2008-10-29 Thread Tru Huynh

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:26:12AM -0700, Spike Turner wrote:
...

welcome to my kill file
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

2008-10-29 Thread Michael Holmes

Guys, this is getting really silly now. People are starting flame wars
because a small team of contributors, who spend their free time they could
be enjoying themselves doing more fun things, didn't update their website
with a releas?. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this ML is for CentOS users to
assist each other, not to post death threats and vague accusations. Keep on
topic and less of the flaming. Some people actually want to get useful info
about CentOS or voice their opinion in a reasonable way.

Just my $0.02.

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Re: [CentOS] Possibly OT: intermittently long response times when connecting to host

2008-10-29 Thread David Miller

--snip--
 sounds sleepy - perhaps the mysql connections drop after inactivity and
 then it takes that long to connect

 You might just want to set up a cron script that does a curl or wget of
 a standard page every 2 minutes or so just to keep things active.

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The server hosting the web page looks to be creating the connecting
immediately to the MySQL server (verified by mytop and tcpdump).
Troubleshooting MySQL connections isn't my forte - to now the
connections have always just worked so there hasn't been much of a
need. Another thing that has led me away from thinking database
problem is that this existed when the database was hosted locally and
when it was on our production database server.

Sorry for the delay in posting. 2-3 attempts before the problem
resolves itself makes troubleshooting slow.

Thanks to all that have replied.

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[CentOS] OT - Please don't feed the Troll(s)

Folks,

I fully understand the emotional need to respond to one who throws
around terms like Communist, Tyrannical, etc. even if ostensibly
framed as a rhetorical question. Certain terms and phrases are by nature
pejorative and I;m sure the OP knew this when he entered his post.

My feeling was the OP is either an ignorant, unappreciative,
self-centered, and emotionally immature person that expects all projects
and activities to meet his desires, wants and criteria, _or_ he is
trolling.

In either case, any response you provide will be obviously wasted as the
OP's POV will likely not be affected. Therefore, you waste your time
responding.

Trolls, if not fed, eventually die or wander off into the distance.

Please don't feed the trolls.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

Tru Huynh wrote:

 welcome to my kill file, I have not taken my 
 medication so i may be unstable

Tru you need to find your tru calling. Meanwhile
take your medication and try this
dd if=/dev/zero of=/killfile bs=1024 count=1048576

Spike.


  

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Re: [CentOS] OT - Please don't feed the Troll(s)

William L. Maltby  wrote:

 Folks,
 
 I fully understand the emotional need to respond to one who
 throws
 around terms like Communist,
 Tyrannical, etc. even if ostensibly
 framed as a rhetorical question. Certain terms and phrases
 are by nature
 pejorative and I;m sure the OP knew this when he entered
 his post.
 

Bill, unfortunately for you many of us are in the free world.
BTW where was Tyrannical, used? Have you been watching too
much of the Presidential race?

Spike.


  

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[CentOS] Problem with svn/apache

2008-10-29 Thread Joe Tseng

I hope someone can help me with this b/c I'm stumped...  I had set up an svn 
repository a while ago with an apache/webdav front end using the default centos 
packages.  For some reason this morning it stopped working for me - it would 
give me a 403 error.  I suppose the problem is with Apache and not svn.

So far I've checked the following:
I use a couple of files called svn_htpasswd_file (for userids/password hashes) 
and svn_auth_file (users, groups and permissions) - I verified the files were 
still apache:apache and were user-readable
Just for grins I ran chown -R apache:apache on my repository home directory 
and all repositoriesI made a new user entry in the two files listed above with 
full admin rightsI restarted httpd and rebooted the serverI made sure the httpd 
processes were running using apache as userAnd I've run out of ideas.  Has 
anyone else seen this before?

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Re: [CentOS] Can one invoke multiple INSTANCEs of Firefox on CentOS

2008-10-29 Thread Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:26 -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
 I am doing some testing with XForms and I really need a separate instance
 of Firefox, one that shares nothing with my primary instance that has
 various reference works and web sites open, to test forms.  Is this even
 possible?  I have a sense from the small bit of testing that I have done
 that even with separate profiles and invoking the firefox process manually
 from different terminal windows does not provide a completely separate
 running instance on the desktop.
 
 Is there a way to do this?  If so then how?

Use the -no-remote command line argument.

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[CentOS] Re: Installer stopped short

2008-10-29 Thread Scott Silva

on 10-29-2008 2:54 PM Niki Kovacs spake the following:
 Hi,
 
 I just tried to install a CentOS 5 desktop on very recent hardware, an
 Acer desktop machine. The installer stopped short very early. I gave
 Ubuntu 8.04 a shot, and it installed without a problem. Now what can I
 do about this?
 
1) Try the RHEL 5.3 Beta and see if it is any better. Report your findings to
the list.

2) See if the manufacturer has a driver disk for the hardware (not likely).

3) Use Ubuntu until 5.3 comes out, and see if it (CentOS) supports the
hardware later.

 Is there a way to use some enhanced kernel (like the centos.plus
 kernel) to perform the install? I guess what's missing there is a
 specific driver for something (SATA drive? Processor?).
 
There are some boot options to try, but you have a good chance that CentOS
won't support your hardware. There isn't any way to use a different installer
kernel without learning how to build install disks with Anaconda. It is not
the most difficult thing in the world to do, but it is not the easiest either.

 Any suggestions?
 
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Re: [CentOS] Installer stopped short

2008-10-29 Thread Spiro Harvey

 I just tried to install a CentOS 5 desktop on very recent hardware,
 an Acer desktop machine. The installer stopped short very early. I

How early is very early? Did it stop before the first Welcome to Centos
screen, or did you get to disk partitioning? Knowing exactly where it
dies can be useful. Also, scan the disc to see if that's naffed and
causing grief.

When CentOS is installing you can press Alt-F2 - Alt-F4 (Ctrl-Alt
if you're in gui mode) and there should be a few different screens of
logs. Do any of those provide insight into where it's failing, or what
it last tried to do?


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 4.7 Server CD - update frontpage

2008-10-29 Thread Spiro Harvey

I know it's going farther off the beaten topic here, but just received
this email of warm wishes from our friend Spike Turner that I thought
I'd share.

It's not even necessary to insult him, he's done it all for himself.




On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:41:21 -0700 (PDT)
Spike Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Spiro Harvey wrote:
 
  Your comments were not constructive criticism. You're
  just a whiny
  little punk who can dish it out but gets upset when
  it's flung back in
  your direction.
  
  Grow up.
 
 If you were within reach I would punch you and you
 would spit all your teeth out. Having done martial arts
 and powerlifting, dealing with a punk like yourself would 
 not be a problem.
 
 Spike.
 
 
   
 


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[CentOS] Question re RHEL 5.3

I've heard now from more than one source about problems with CentOS
(and RH) at least up through 5.2 w.r.t. SATA drive handling, and I've
even reported on this myself in this list before.

My question is, do we have any idea if 5.3 has any improvements in this area?

One of my cohorts here, who happens to be a Fedora fan, says that
these problems are fixed in F9, but I have grave concerns about
putting an enterprise lifeline main application on any Fedora release.
 If 5.3 solves these issues, I'd much rather go with that.

Any ideas?  Any places I might look to see for myself?

Thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] Question re RHEL 5.3

2008-10-29 Thread Jim Perrin

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:01 PM, MHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've heard now from more than one source about problems with CentOS
 (and RH) at least up through 5.2 w.r.t. SATA drive handling, and I've
 even reported on this myself in this list before.

 My question is, do we have any idea if 5.3 has any improvements in this area?

 One of my cohorts here, who happens to be a Fedora fan, says that
 these problems are fixed in F9, but I have grave concerns about
 putting an enterprise lifeline main application on any Fedora release.
  If 5.3 solves these issues, I'd much rather go with that.

 Any ideas?  Any places I might look to see for myself?

The only issue I've ever seen has been with the onboard fakeraid stuff
more and more vendors seem to be adding. I've been using SATA disks
with centos since the early 4.x days without issue, so you have me at
a bit of a loss here. I'd say if anything it's due to controller
support, and much of that can be chalked up to what hardware vendors
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Re: [CentOS] Re: Apparently no swap configured

2008-10-29 Thread Christopher Chan

Stephen Harris wrote:

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:56:34AM -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:

I believe that the current recommendation is 2 x physical memory up to 2
GB and then 1 x physical memory thereafter.

See:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/5.2/html/Deployment_Guide/s1-swap-what-is.html

Swap should equal 2x physical RAM for up to 2 GB of physical RAM, and
then an additional 1x physical RAM for any amount above 2 GB, but never
less than 32 MB.

That's a silly recommendation, and never been true for Linux. RedHat
don't always know what they're talking about.

Ah, yes, not an older release of Solaris...SunOS4

A certain release of SunOS4 required swap be twice the amount of RAM or
it would crash according to an article that I read but I cannot find
right now. Here is a FAQ article related to SunOS that tells us how
SunOS4 handled virtual memory (swap must be at least the same amount of
RAM): http://www.bjnet.edu.cn/sun-admin/FAQ/F-comp-sys-sun/Q30-0.html

The source of this 'recommendation' that swap be twice that of RAM is
affects more than just Linux

http://blogs.sun.com/jimlaurent/entry/solaris_faq_myths_and_facts

So please, stop spreading this swap should be twice the amount of RAM
installed nonsense.

/me gets off soapbox.
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Re: [CentOS] Question re RHEL 5.3

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 do you have any bug report numbers for these issues ?

No, and from what I saw on the RH bugzilla list of SATA disk related
bugs, none of them seem to be that serious except w.r.t. specific
controllers.

I will go back and dig deeper.

Thanks.

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Re: [CentOS] changing partition priority on install

2008-10-29 Thread Monty Shinn


Phil Schaffner wrote:

snip
A GRUB boot CD (or floppy) will allay the above concerns.  Do an info 
grub to find out how to create one.  Can also boot from install media 
to recover a lost GRUB.


I did not find an option during the install prep to re-locate grub to 
the MBR of /dev/sdb.  I probably should try the text-based installer 
to see if there are more options.


It is there in the GUI installer - can't remember exactly where without 
going through the install, but something like an Advanced button on a 
configuration page toward the end of the process.


Heck, I may just remove the 9550 board until the initial os install is 
completed.  That should accomplish what I am trying to achieve.  Just 
seems like there should be a more elegant way of doing this.


I am installing 5.1 because I have the isos on hand.  I was just going 
to let yum update me to 5.2...


That should work.


Thanks for your help,


OK

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Phil,

Thanks for your input.  I did find the location of the grub install 
modification.  Strange thing is, when I restarted the install, grub 
defaulted to the MBR of /dev/sdb.  I did not change any hardware or bios 
settings in between attempts.  I have no idea why the change happened.


Once the install was completed, the OS partition showed up as /dev/sda, 
even though it showed up as /dev/sdb during the installation process. 
Grub is apparently happily residing in the MBR of /dev/sda.  Again, I 
can't explain it.


If you (or anyone else) has insights to this behaviour, or can point me 
to where I can read up on it, I would appreciate it.


Thanks again for all your help.

Monty
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