Re: [CentOS] C6: ssh X-forwarding does not work
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: Do some of the checkbox installs omit it? I just ran into this on a system where I chose the 'web server' install, then wanted to run gparted remotely. Yes, it's definitely possible to install without it. I've done the same as you when setting up servers and had to add xauth afterwards to get remote X working. It's a real gotcha for people who don't know about it, as other than DISPLAY not being set, nothing leaps out at you to say it's because xauth isn't installed. It'd be quite nice if default ssh emitted a warning message about this at a non-debug level. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] C6: ssh X-forwarding does not work
On 10/29/11 12:58 AM, John Hodrien wrote: Yes, it's definitely possible to install without it. I've done the same as you when setting up servers and had to add xauth afterwards to get remote X working. It's a real gotcha for people who don't know about it, as other than DISPLAY not being set, nothing leaps out at you to say it's because xauth isn't installed. It'd be quite nice if default ssh emitted a warning message about this at a non-debug level. well, there's the subtle clue that the first time you log onto a particular account with X forwarding, xauth prints a message about saving the .Xauth file -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] C6: ssh X-forwarding does not work
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, John R Pierce wrote: well, there's the subtle clue that the first time you log onto a particular account with X forwarding, xauth prints a message about saving the .Xauth file Sure, but that means you're looking for absence of an info message (that you typically don't care all that much about) to let you know something's wrong. That's very easy to miss. jh ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] C6: ssh X-forwarding does not work
On Saturday, October 29, 2011 07:28:27 AM John Hodrien wrote: On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, John R Pierce wrote: well, there's the subtle clue that the first time you log onto a particular account with X forwarding, xauth prints a message about saving the .Xauth file Sure, but that means you're looking for absence of an info message (that you typically don't care all that much about) to let you know something's wrong. That's very easy to miss. Sounds to me like something for the CentOS FAQ on the Wiki. Q: Why is my X forwarding not working, but the sshd config has it enabled? A: One possibility is that the xorg-x11-xauth package needs to be installed. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
On Saturday, October 29, 2011 04:36 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: It's a bad thing if you think clones should exist at all. Realistically, we would all probably be better off jumping ship the day of the fedora/EL split, but I've just been too lazy to learn to spell apt-get. /me is puzzled. You spelt it correctly. Maybe not so keen on learning the intricacies of Debian and the 'Debian way'. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
On 10/28/2011 12:47 PM, Ned Slider wrote: On 28/10/11 18:31, Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Patrick Lists centos-l...@puzzled.xs4all.nl wrote: How is, say, being required to pay a license fee as a consequence different from losing something you have already contracted and paid for? It would surprise me if Red Hat would not refund the customer or let them ride out the term of what they have already paid for. And didn't the customer agree to Red Hat's terms (AUP) when they signed the contract? The question is, how can a contract containing restrictions on what you can do with GPL covered content not invalidate your own right to redistribute, given that the GPL prohibits additional restrictions? As I understand, Red Hat's AUP is more about protecting content other than sources and binaries that resides on RHN (yes, RHN is far more than just a distribution channel for SRPMs/RPMs). Such content and material is vital in supporting it's customers, and I believe the likes of Oracle and Suse were leveraging such content to try to sell support to existing RHEL customers. This is what Red Hat presumably seeks to stop. I can tell you that we have been contacted by upstream to make sure we **UNDERSTAND** the new AUP restrictions on distribution. I can also tell you that we (CentOS) are doing everything in our power to meet the restrictions as they were explained to us. The restrictions do include the distribution of items downloaded directly from RHN. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Christopher Chan christopher.c...@bradbury.edu.hk wrote: On Saturday, October 29, 2011 04:36 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: It's a bad thing if you think clones should exist at all. Realistically, we would all probably be better off jumping ship the day of the fedora/EL split, but I've just been too lazy to learn to spell apt-get. /me is puzzled. You spelt it correctly. Maybe not so keen on learning the intricacies of Debian and the 'Debian way'. Yes, exactly. While there is not much difference in using the applications on an installed system of some other distribution, the installation and maintenance tools are all very specific and quirky and I have years invested in dealing with RedHat style quirks. Plus we have a team of hands-on operators that mostly deal with windows and aren't too happy about needing to know any linux commands, much less several very unrelated types. But that's the option that will happen before paid RHEL everywhere - or just more windows servers... -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Johnny Hughes joh...@centos.org wrote: I can tell you that we have been contacted by upstream to make sure we **UNDERSTAND** the new AUP restrictions on distribution. I can also tell you that we (CentOS) are doing everything in our power to meet the restrictions as they were explained to us. The restrictions do include the distribution of items downloaded directly from RHN. Did they actually call it a restriction in a way that is prohibited in the GPL? Also, there is probably room for a public, if not legal, complaint about gpl compliance if the source and binary components they distribute don't match in a way that you can rebuild a binary that works the same. Of course there is a lot of non-gpl content, so even strictly observing the GPL rules won't solve the whole problem. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Intel wireless firmware
This may not be the best place to ask, but Google hasn't given me any useful information. I have an older laptop that is using the Intel 2200 wireless interface. I installed CentOS 5 on it some time ago and everything is fine. When I was reviewing my kickstart setups I found that the ipw2200 firmware package is no longer available in RPMForge. The CentOS site's how-to page for this interface still refers to RPMForge, so that now seems out of date. What happened to the Intel firmware packages on RPMForge and where else should I be looking for them ? I tried ELRepo and didn't see them there. Suggestions and pointers are welcome, and thanks in advance. -- Ron Loftin relof...@twcny.rr.com God, root, what is difference ? Piter from UserFriendly ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
Vreme: 10/29/2011 05:36 PM, Les Mikesell piše: Also, there is probably room for a public, if not legal, complaint about gpl compliance if the source and binary components they distribute don't match in a way that you can rebuild a binary that works the same. Of course there is a lot of non-gpl content, so even strictly observing the GPL rules won't solve the whole problem. Less, please do not steer-up trouble. If you want to fight Red Hat create your own RHEL clone and then try to enact those rights you are asking about. Better option is to have CentOS as it is, and they create forks with specific enhancements by adding GPL versions from Fedora or other places, or by using third party repositories consisting of best developers (to ensure stable systems). Fighting windmills was done by Don Quixote and many small countries against certain political and military powers. And nothing good came out of it. As one of the my folks sayings go: Bull without horns can not fight with bull with horns... Not successfully at least. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Intel wireless firmware
Vreme: 10/29/2011 07:41 PM, Ron Loftin piše: This may not be the best place to ask, but Google hasn't given me any useful information. I have an older laptop that is using the Intel 2200 wireless interface. I installed CentOS 5 on it some time ago and everything is fine. When I was reviewing my kickstart setups I found that the ipw2200 firmware package is no longer available in RPMForge. The CentOS site's how-to page for this interface still refers to RPMForge, so that now seems out of date. What happened to the Intel firmware packages on RPMForge and where else should I be looking for them ? I tried ELRepo and didn't see them there. Suggestions and pointers are welcome, and thanks in advance. ipw2200-firmware is part of base system now, at least I have that package installed by anaconda. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Intel wireless firmware
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 20:17 +0200, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: Vreme: 10/29/2011 07:41 PM, Ron Loftin piše: This may not be the best place to ask, but Google hasn't given me any useful information. I have an older laptop that is using the Intel 2200 wireless interface. I installed CentOS 5 on it some time ago and everything is fine. When I was reviewing my kickstart setups I found that the ipw2200 firmware package is no longer available in RPMForge. The CentOS site's how-to page for this interface still refers to RPMForge, so that now seems out of date. What happened to the Intel firmware packages on RPMForge and where else should I be looking for them ? I tried ELRepo and didn't see them there. Suggestions and pointers are welcome, and thanks in advance. ipw2200-firmware is part of base system now, at least I have that package installed by anaconda. I see it in my local mirrors for CentOS 6, but I'm still running CentOS 5 on this laptop and other boxes. I would like to be able to re-install the same version if something bad happens, and right now it looks like I can't do it. -- Ron Loftin relof...@twcny.rr.com God, root, what is difference ? Piter from UserFriendly ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 20:56 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote: On Saturday, October 29, 2011 04:36 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: It's a bad thing if you think clones should exist at all. Realistically, we would all probably be better off jumping ship the day of the fedora/EL split, but I've just been too lazy to learn to spell apt-get. /me is puzzled. You spelt it correctly. Maybe not so keen on learning the intricacies of Debian and the 'Debian way'. Linux is still Linux and while there is some learning curve, it does tend to broaden one's knowledge base. Besides... apt has super cow powers... # apt-get moo (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ Have you mooed today?... Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: /me is puzzled. You spelt it correctly. Maybe not so keen on learning the intricacies of Debian and the 'Debian way'. Linux is still Linux and while there is some learning curve, it does tend to broaden one's knowledge base. I gave up on learning everything there is to know a long time ago and try to be more selective now. Learning a different way to accomplish the same thing just isn't that appealing. Especially when there are whole large books of obscure details involved, and all of that stuff that only anaconda and whatever equivalent debian/ubuntu use really understands but you have to deal with afterwards... -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Intel wireless firmware
On 29/10/11 18:41, Ron Loftin wrote: This may not be the best place to ask, but Google hasn't given me any useful information. I have an older laptop that is using the Intel 2200 wireless interface. I installed CentOS 5 on it some time ago and everything is fine. When I was reviewing my kickstart setups I found that the ipw2200 firmware package is no longer available in RPMForge. The CentOS site's how-to page for this interface still refers to RPMForge, so that now seems out of date. What happened to the Intel firmware packages on RPMForge and where else should I be looking for them ? I tried ELRepo and didn't see them there. They are not currently in elrepo because no one has ever requested them, they were in rpmforge, and they are now old/legacy and unmaintained. I didn't realise they were no longer available from rpmforge. File an RFE and I'll get them added for you. Suggestions and pointers are welcome, and thanks in advance. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Intel wireless firmware
On 29/10/11 23:04, Ned Slider wrote: On 29/10/11 18:41, Ron Loftin wrote: This may not be the best place to ask, but Google hasn't given me any useful information. I have an older laptop that is using the Intel 2200 wireless interface. I installed CentOS 5 on it some time ago and everything is fine. When I was reviewing my kickstart setups I found that the ipw2200 firmware package is no longer available in RPMForge. The CentOS site's how-to page for this interface still refers to RPMForge, so that now seems out of date. What happened to the Intel firmware packages on RPMForge and where else should I be looking for them ? I tried ELRepo and didn't see them there. They are not currently in elrepo because no one has ever requested them, they were in rpmforge, and they are now old/legacy and unmaintained. I didn't realise they were no longer available from rpmforge. File an RFE and I'll get them added for you. Suggestions and pointers are welcome, and thanks in advance. I'm not sure why they're not showing up on rpmforge as the package is still showing in their git tree: https://github.com/repoforge/rpms/tree/master/specs/ipw2200-firmware Maybe you should ask / file an issue with repoforge. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
I did not mean to stir up anything. I was simply asking if I was looking in the wrong place for an update to 6.1 or where are the ISO's? I cannot find anything out there as far as an update. Thanks Jerry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] C6: ssh X-forwarding does not work
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: Do some of the checkbox installs omit it? I just ran into this on a system where I chose the 'web server' install, then wanted to run gparted remotely. Yes, it's definitely possible to install without it. I've done the same as you when setting up servers and had to add xauth afterwards to get remote X working. It's a real gotcha for people who don't know about it, as other than DISPLAY not being set, nothing leaps out at you to say it's because xauth isn't installed. It'd be quite nice if default ssh emitted a warning message about this at a non-debug level. It's not an ssh issue so why would ssh emit the message? Cheers, Cliff ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
Vreme: 10/30/2011 12:31 AM, Jerry Geis piše: I did not mean to stir up anything. I was simply asking if I was looking in the wrong place for an update to 6.1 or where are the ISO's? I cannot find anything out there as far as an update. Thanks Jerry Sorry to be blunt, but you are not Less (Mikesell), you are Jerry, so it was not directed at you at all. All packages are not ready yet, ergo nor are the ISO's. But there is CR repository and most of us use it to get as close to 6.1 as possible. Many problems with 6.0 are already solved with CR repo, so I am happy. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Intel wireless firmware
Vreme: 10/30/2011 12:12 AM, Ned Slider piše: I'm not sure why they're not showing up on rpmforge as the package is still showing in their git tree: https://github.com/repoforge/rpms/tree/master/specs/ipw2200-firmware Maybe you should ask / file an issue with repoforge. I am not sure if I got it right, but I understood it, their transition to git broke their pattern of work, so there are snags until people do not acclimatize, and all packages are checked. Reporting a problem will help. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] C6: ssh X-forwarding does not work
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, Cliff Pratt wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 8:58 PM, John Hodrien j.h.hodr...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 29 Oct 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: Do some of the checkbox installs omit it? I just ran into this on a system where I chose the 'web server' install, then wanted to run gparted remotely. Yes, it's definitely possible to install without it. I've done the same as you when setting up servers and had to add xauth afterwards to get remote X working. It's a real gotcha for people who don't know about it, as other than DISPLAY not being set, nothing leaps out at you to say it's because xauth isn't installed. It'd be quite nice if default ssh emitted a warning message about this at a non-debug level. It's not an ssh issue so why would ssh emit the message? I think my view woudld be because it can. You're asking for ssh to forward X traffic, only ssh can't for a reason that's not ssh's fault, but nonetheless it knows why. It can share that information with the user or not and that's its choice. ssh tells you when it creates a .Xauthority file for the first time. Why does it do that? It's all about passing on useful information to the user when you think it's useful, and keeping it to yourself when you think it's not. I'm not making a big deal of this, but I think I'd draw the line in a slightly different place. jh___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] C6: ssh X-forwarding does not work
On Saturday, October 29, 2011 07:26:04 PM John Hodrien wrote: ssh tells you when it creates a .Xauthority file for the first time. Why does it do that? Being totally pedantic here, but isn't it /usr/bin/xauth that issues the message telling that the .Xauthority file has been created? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] What happened to 6.1
On Saturday, October 29, 2011 06:31:46 PM Jerry Geis wrote: I cannot find anything out there as far as an update. This has been a useful discourse since the new difficulties that the team is facing are now more widely known. Sometimes the pot needs a good stirring, and this time we got what is to me a useful update. As to getting updated packages, I'm finding CR is working quite well, but I think that's not the kind of update you were referring to, you were referring to more of a 'status' report (you said as much in your thread starter). As to status, if you can spare a VM or a physical box with C6 on it you can enable the CR repository by installing the CR release package, and then you can cron a yum update and see packages updating (or mirror the repo and see the changes). When the contents of CR *goes away* after being active for a while, the next point release is out and CR's function is done for that point release cycle. You can leave it enabled or mirroring, and when you start seeing packages go into CR you'll know the next point release is being built. Lather, rinse, and repeat as necessary. I've come to the conclusion that the packages themselves are going to have to suffice for me for a status report, and just assume the team is working on it. If nothing shows up for a long time, then there are alternatives. A status report won't change that. And it may be that my centos-announce subscriptions need to be modified to add more options. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Intel wireless firmware
On Sat, 2011-10-29 at 23:12 +0100, Ned Slider wrote: On 29/10/11 23:04, Ned Slider wrote: On 29/10/11 18:41, Ron Loftin wrote: This may not be the best place to ask, but Google hasn't given me any useful information. I have an older laptop that is using the Intel 2200 wireless interface. I installed CentOS 5 on it some time ago and everything is fine. When I was reviewing my kickstart setups I found that the ipw2200 firmware package is no longer available in RPMForge. The CentOS site's how-to page for this interface still refers to RPMForge, so that now seems out of date. What happened to the Intel firmware packages on RPMForge and where else should I be looking for them ? I tried ELRepo and didn't see them there. They are not currently in elrepo because no one has ever requested them, they were in rpmforge, and they are now old/legacy and unmaintained. I didn't realise they were no longer available from rpmforge. File an RFE and I'll get them added for you. Suggestions and pointers are welcome, and thanks in advance. I'm not sure why they're not showing up on rpmforge as the package is still showing in their git tree: https://github.com/repoforge/rpms/tree/master/specs/ipw2200-firmware Maybe you should ask / file an issue with repoforge. I don't see a way to file an issue on the repoforge Web site. I just filed an RFE with ELRepo to ask for this. Thanks for the advice. -- Ron Loftin relof...@twcny.rr.com God, root, what is difference ? Piter from UserFriendly ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] C6: ssh X-forwarding does not work
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Lamar Owen lo...@pari.edu wrote: On Saturday, October 29, 2011 07:26:04 PM John Hodrien wrote: ssh tells you when it creates a .Xauthority file for the first time. Why does it do that? Being totally pedantic here, but isn't it /usr/bin/xauth that issues the message telling that the .Xauthority file has been created? I think so, but ssh knows enough about what it tried to do and how it failed to report it when you use -v. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
