Re: [CentOS] Google Earth on EL6.x x86_64

[Fred Smith]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:59:01PM +0100, Toralf Lund wrote:
> On 04/03/13 04:35, Fred Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:56:26AM +0800, Earl Ramirez wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2013-03-03 at 21:49 -0500, Fred Smith wrote:
> >>> Has anyone gotten 64-bit google earth to run on el6 x86_64?
> >>>
> >>> It dies almost immediately, complaining for lack of ld-lsb.so.3.
> >>> Perusing user forums at google I see a few others with the problem,
> >>> but no (working) solutions.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance!
> >>>
> >> Fred,
> >>
> >> You will need to install the following 32 bit packages
> >>
> >> 1. redhat-lsb.i686
> >> 2. mesa-libGL.i686
> >> 3. mesa-libGLU.i686
> >>
> >> I get this to work on my laptop a few days ago.
> > thanks Earl, I'll give it a whirl.
> >
> > I did "ldd /opt/google/earth/free/googleearth-bin" and got back a list
> > of a dozen or so "not found" items,
> >   would you be willing to check on
> > your system and see what you get back? (that might be because it has
> > not been thru the preceding shellscript that might set up some ENV
> > to point to the right places, I suppose.)
> I think it should be able to resolve all "external" libs via standard path.
> 
> You probably need to install 32-bit versions of a lot more libs, like Qt 
> and the basic X11 stuff. The real problem here is that libraries used is 
> not listed in the package requirements. Not to mention the fact that the 
> so-called 64-bit package actually contains 32-bit binaries. Or at least, 
> that's the case for the one I have - 
> google-earth-stable-7.0.2.8415-0.x86_64.
> 
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Yes, I did the modifications given earlier by Earl and one other poster
and now google earth starts up.

but it complains there's no usable graphics card, and only displays
the menus/borders/etc, with the main view window being empty/black.

I do have a supported graphics card (Nvidia GeForce 9800GT), and have
the nvidia drivers installed.

can anyone advise how to make GE recognize it? I'm guessing it's failing
because Google seems to be distributing 32-bit binaries instead of 64-bit
binaries, but I've no clue  how to fix this.

Clues will be appreciated!

thanks in advance.

Fred

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Re: [CentOS] fencing nodes with drac under 5.9

[Adam Wead]

Brilliant.  Many thanks.  I love great documentation: "once the guns are
out, someone *must* win"

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Joseph L. Casale
wrote:

> > Turns out I spoke too soon.
>
>
>
> Slow down cowboy, man fenced:)
>
>
> See clean_start for example. There are more than one param needed
> for a two node cluster.
>
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/cluster/wiki/FAQ/Fencing#fence_stuck
> https://fedorahosted.org/cluster/wiki/FAQ/Fencing#fence_startup
>
>
>
>
> Much discussion about this, for example:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-cluster@redhat.com/msg07289.html
> ...
>
>
> Running a cluster is the result of a need for HA. You need to learn and
> most importantly
> *lab* these scenarios up to validate your setup and know what to do in all
> the scenarios
> you may encounter. The cluster wiki is packed full of good info, give it a
> read.
>
>
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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

[Chris Weisiger]

Im in the process of configuring my data to be backed up to external devices.

-Original Message-
From: John R Pierce
Sent: 3/5/2013 6:45 PM
To: centos@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

On 3/5/2013 4:27 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
> The question is why are you using raid at all?

indeed.   the primary justification for the "R" in RAID, Redundant, is 
high availability. having the OS on a non-raid volume completely 
violates this.RAID is most definitely NOT a substitute for backups.


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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

[Chris Weisiger]

Im not so much concerned about the os not being on a raid system. I am really 
concerned about my data, music, pictures,docs, etc.
I run a minimum os centos 5.9 install anyway so it would take long to reload 
the os if i had to.

-Original Message-
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Sent: 3/5/2013 6:45 PM
To: centos@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

On 3/5/2013 4:27 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
> The question is why are you using raid at all?

indeed.   the primary justification for the "R" in RAID, Redundant, is 
high availability. having the OS on a non-raid volume completely 
violates this.RAID is most definitely NOT a substitute for backups.


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Re: [CentOS] fencing nodes with drac under 5.9

[Joseph L. Casale]

> Turns out I spoke too soon. 



Slow down cowboy, man fenced:)


See clean_start for example. There are more than one param needed
for a two node cluster.


https://fedorahosted.org/cluster/wiki/FAQ/Fencing#fence_stuck
https://fedorahosted.org/cluster/wiki/FAQ/Fencing#fence_startup




Much discussion about this, for example:
http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-cluster@redhat.com/msg07289.html
...


Running a cluster is the result of a need for HA. You need to learn and most 
importantly
*lab* these scenarios up to validate your setup and know what to do in all the 
scenarios
you may encounter. The cluster wiki is packed full of good info, give it a read.


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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

[John R Pierce]

On 3/5/2013 5:18 PM, Chris Weisiger wrote:
> I essentially configured the software raid to create a home server and not 
> have to worry about individual drives. I've built a collection of several 
> several gigs of music and pictures. Enough to look into a raid system. Plus 
> it is alot cheaper than a hardware raid setup.
> Plus I want to do testing with it to possible use it for some of the clients 
> that the business I work for do work for for basic file server services

I am using FreeNAS for my home fileserver, and really liking it. its a 
turnkey NAS oriented build of FreeBSD.  the OS itself boots from a 4GB 
USB stick, so ALL your disks can be in the data raid configuration (I'm 
using 4x3TB RAIDZ, which is equivalent to raid5). its entirely web managed.



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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

[Chris Weisiger]

I essentially configured the software raid to create a home server and not have 
to worry about individual drives. I've built a collection of several several 
gigs of music and pictures. Enough to look into a raid system. Plus it is alot 
cheaper than a hardware raid setup.
Plus I want to do testing with it to possible use it for some of the clients 
that the business I work for do work for for basic file server services


-Original Message-
From: Mark LaPierre
Sent: 3/5/2013 6:27 PM
To: centos@centos.org
Subject: Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

On 03/04/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Weisiger wrote:
> I have been reading about software raid. I configured my first software raid 
> system about a month ago.
>
> I have 4 500 Gig drives configured in RAID 5 configuration with a total of 
> 1.5TB.
>
> Currently I configured the complete individual drivers as software raid, then 
> created a /dev/md0 with the drives
>
> I then created a /file_storage partition on /dev/md0.
>
> I created my /boot / and swap partitions on a non raid drive in my system.
>
> Is the the proper way to configure software raid?
> ___

Hey Chris,

What you have done is a totally acceptable way of building a raid array.

Software raid on Linux is amazingly flexible.  It is able to build 
arrays on individual matching drives as you have done, drives of 
different physical sizes, a combination physical drives and partitions 
on other drives, or a combination of partitions on different drives.  It 
can even build a raid array on several partitions on one physical drive, 
not that you would ever want to do that.

In other words, if you can dream it up, software raid can probably build 
it.  The question is why are you using raid at all?  If you are trying 
to increase access speed or data security then raid makes sense.  The 
appropriate configuration depends on your available resources and the 
nature of your intent.



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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

[John R Pierce]

On 3/5/2013 4:27 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote:
> The question is why are you using raid at all?

indeed.   the primary justification for the "R" in RAID, Redundant, is 
high availability. having the OS on a non-raid volume completely 
violates this.RAID is most definitely NOT a substitute for backups.


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Re: [CentOS] fencing nodes with drac under 5.9

[Adam Wead]

Turns out I spoke too soon.

Increasing the post_join_delay did at least allow me to restart the
cman+clvmd+gfs2+rgmanager services on each node, but if I reboot a node, it
will not rejoin the cluster.

If I start with both machines up, and cman stopped, I can start cman on
one, then then the other and they'll both join the cluster.  After that, I
start clvmd, gfs2 and rgmanager on one node then the other (all in that
order) and the gfs2 partition is mount on both nodes.

Now, if I reboot one of the other nodes, it will leave the cluster, but
when it comes back online, it starts up cman, and hangs forever on fencing.
After awhile, "dlm closing connection to node 0" and "dlm closing
connection to node 1" appear in the console and the system finishes boot
up.  At that point, it is not in the cluster.  I have to stop the cman
service (in the reverse order: rgmanager, gfs2, clvmd, cman) on both nodes
and then restart cman on both nodes, and proceed with the rest of the
services.

I should add, ricci is running on both nodes, but I'm not using luci and
configured the setup with system-config-cluster.

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if anyone could shed light on this.  I'm stumped
as to why this has changed in 5.9, but it could be just my ignorance of the
changes that were made with this latest release.

Many thanks,

...adam

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Adam Wead  wrote:

> Thanks for the response.  I just discovered the problem about 30' ago.
>  post_join_delay was set to the default of 3, meaning that it was only
> waiting 3 seconds for the node to join before fencing it.  Silly.  After
> changing that to 300 seconds, it worked fine.
>
> The config was this way with 5.8 and prior so why it wasn't an issue then,
> who can say.
>
> I also changed the fencing agent to fence_ipmilan, and configured the user
> on the DRAC card to be an "administrator" for IMPI.
>
> If it's any help to anyone, I've posted the working cluster.conf file.
>  You can also test your fencing for each drac:
>
> fence_ipmilan -a [drac IP] -l [drac user] -p [password for drac user] -o
> status
>
> ...adam
>
> 
> Adam Wead
> Systems and Digital Collections Librarian
> Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum
> 216.515.1960 (t)
> 215.515.1964 (f)
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Joseph L. Casale <
> jcas...@activenetwerx.com> wrote:
>
>> > I have two Dell's which are both fenced via their DRAC6 cards.
>>
>>
>> Without your cluster config, we can only guess. Fencing w/ two nodes
>> requires specific startup config for this scenario. Given that, I presume
>> you
>> can find your issue, or post your conf.
>>
>>
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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

[Mark LaPierre]

On 03/04/2013 10:53 PM, Chris Weisiger wrote:
> I have been reading about software raid. I configured my first software raid 
> system about a month ago.
>
> I have 4 500 Gig drives configured in RAID 5 configuration with a total of 
> 1.5TB.
>
> Currently I configured the complete individual drivers as software raid, then 
> created a /dev/md0 with the drives
>
> I then created a /file_storage partition on /dev/md0.
>
> I created my /boot / and swap partitions on a non raid drive in my system.
>
> Is the the proper way to configure software raid?
> ___

Hey Chris,

What you have done is a totally acceptable way of building a raid array.

Software raid on Linux is amazingly flexible.  It is able to build 
arrays on individual matching drives as you have done, drives of 
different physical sizes, a combination physical drives and partitions 
on other drives, or a combination of partitions on different drives.  It 
can even build a raid array on several partitions on one physical drive, 
not that you would ever want to do that.

In other words, if you can dream it up, software raid can probably build 
it.  The question is why are you using raid at all?  If you are trying 
to increase access speed or data security then raid makes sense.  The 
appropriate configuration depends on your available resources and the 
nature of your intent.



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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:29 PM,   wrote:
> I've never worked for M$, have stayed away
> from WinDoze for many years, and I *loathe* java

It´s amazing the Java haters are not content with hating it in
silence, they must spread their dislike and insisit that everyone else
should hate it too.

Just don´t use it, but keep the hate for yourself, and let those of us
that understand it, use it and enjoy it. (OpenJDK, Netbeans, jEdit,
Vuze, Jitsi, etc)

Like RedHat, for instance, which is a big backer of JBoss and invests
in OpenJDK...
http://www.redhat.com/summit/2012/pdf/2012-DevDay-OpenJDK-Bhole.pdf

Sheesh...
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Re: [CentOS] fencing nodes with drac under 5.9

[Adam Wead]

Thanks for the response.  I just discovered the problem about 30' ago.
 post_join_delay was set to the default of 3, meaning that it was only
waiting 3 seconds for the node to join before fencing it.  Silly.  After
changing that to 300 seconds, it worked fine.

The config was this way with 5.8 and prior so why it wasn't an issue then,
who can say.

I also changed the fencing agent to fence_ipmilan, and configured the user
on the DRAC card to be an "administrator" for IMPI.

If it's any help to anyone, I've posted the working cluster.conf file.  You
can also test your fencing for each drac:

fence_ipmilan -a [drac IP] -l [drac user] -p [password for drac user] -o
status

...adam


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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Joseph L. Casale
wrote:

> > I have two Dell's which are both fenced via their DRAC6 cards.
>
>
> Without your cluster config, we can only guess. Fencing w/ two nodes
> requires specific startup config for this scenario. Given that, I presume
> you
> can find your issue, or post your conf.
>
>
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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:44 PM, John R Pierce  wrote:
>
>> Free as in what the FSF names code encumbered with restrictions that
>> prevent combining it with any other components.
>
> specifically, the Sun Java license restricted redistribution of the
> runtime, and it wasn't opensource at all.

I meant that the GPL imposes restrictions.

It would have been possible to make it trivial to install directly if
not to completely automate it.  And others started redistributing long
before RH included it in their paid support channel.   In any case,
shipping something that pretended to be java but wasn't had to be the
worst possible thing that could happen to a language.

>  further, it had type-of-use
> restrictions, you had to agree not to run 'standard edition' (free) on
> mobile phones, the licensing required a specific J2ME edition for phone
> use which was NOT free.

Yet oddly, long ago RH shipped Netscape binaries...

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Re: [CentOS] fencing nodes with drac under 5.9

[Joseph L. Casale]

> I have two Dell's which are both fenced via their DRAC6 cards.


Without your cluster config, we can only guess. Fencing w/ two nodes
requires specific startup config for this scenario. Given that, I presume you
can find your issue, or post your conf.


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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[John R Pierce]

On 3/5/2013 2:40 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> Free as in what the FSF names code encumbered with restrictions that
> prevent combining it with any other components.

specifically, the Sun Java license restricted redistribution of the 
runtime, and it wasn't opensource at all.   further, it had type-of-use 
restrictions, you had to agree not to run 'standard edition' (free) on 
mobile phones, the licensing required a specific J2ME edition for phone 
use which was NOT free.



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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:21 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
>>
>> I'm talking about all those years when Sun's baby was pretty good and
>> "free as in beer" but not good/free enough for Red Hat to bless with
>> an installer that actually worked so we got the broken gcj instead and
>> made everybody hate java because it didn't work.   Now the real thing
>> is free enough, but so far I don't see the improvement that we were
>> supposed to be waiting for...
>
> "free enough"?  Is that like "close" in horseshoes and hand grenades?

Free as in what the FSF names code encumbered with restrictions that
prevent combining it with any other components.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:20 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
>>
>> sad, really, as one of Java's original goals was to be a completely
>> sandboxable environment.
>
> I was just discussing this very issue with someone the other day.  That
> was such a huge marketing factor in the beginning.  And we waited.  And
> waited.  And waited.  And it never materialized.

Of course it didn't when big companies like Microsoft and Red Hat
shipped incompatible competing versions making the code not portable.

>> I wonder...  is Java really getting worse, or is it that the hackers are
>> getting more sophisticated and finding ever more fiendish ways of
>> violating systems  ?
>
> I think it's sort of a little of both.  Tools and people are getting better
> and the people maintaining Java aren't getting any better.

I'm cynical enough to believe that most code has intentional backdoors
that for various reasons eventually leak out and have to be fixed.
And hackers are incredibly sophisticated these days.  Even in the
Centos 5.3 era I saw URL attacks in the wild that would use a spring
(java lib) bug to execute commands to trigger the kernel's root
escalation bug.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

John R. Dennison wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 04:11:37PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> I'm talking about all those years when Sun's baby was pretty good and
>> "free as in beer" but not good/free enough for Red Hat to bless with
>> an installer that actually worked so we got the broken gcj instead and
>> made everybody hate java because it didn't work.   Now the real thing
>> is free enough, but so far I don't see the improvement that we were
>> supposed to be waiting for...
>
> "free enough"?  Is that like "close" in horseshoes and hand grenades?

And nukes.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 04:11:37PM -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
> 
> I'm talking about all those years when Sun's baby was pretty good and
> "free as in beer" but not good/free enough for Red Hat to bless with
> an installer that actually worked so we got the broken gcj instead and
> made everybody hate java because it didn't work.   Now the real thing
> is free enough, but so far I don't see the improvement that we were
> supposed to be waiting for...

"free enough"?  Is that like "close" in horseshoes and hand grenades?





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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 02:10:02PM -0800, John R Pierce wrote:
> 
> sad, really, as one of Java's original goals was to be a completely 
> sandboxable environment.

I was just discussing this very issue with someone the other day.  That
was such a huge marketing factor in the beginning.  And we waited.  And
waited.  And waited.  And it never materialized.


> I wonder...  is Java really getting worse, or is it that the hackers are 
> getting more sophisticated and finding ever more fiendish ways of 
> violating systems  ?

I think it's sort of a little of both.  Tools and people are getting better
and the people maintaining Java aren't getting any better.




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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:04 PM,   wrote:
>
>> Please.
>>>
>>> Java is doing everything in it's power to rival the insecurity records
>>> of sendmail and bind from years ago, or horde's track record or phpBB's.
>>> It's just one rolling security vector.  It's apparently maintained by
>>> people that don't really know what they're doing since it's one issue
>>> after another in rapid pace.  Oracle's attitude towards patches is
>>> abysmal at best and I can't see any relief in sight.  Look at it this
>>> way: distro's have rolling releases and Java has rolling security
>>> vulnerabilities.
>>
>> But wait - wasn't making the code 'free' supposed to take care of all
>> those issues since everyone can now see the problems and contribute
>> the fixes?   I think RMS may have led us astray.
>
> No, java was Sun's baby, now it's Oracle's. I know y'all have seen my
> feelings about Oracle/Sun hardware "tech support"

I'm talking about all those years when Sun's baby was pretty good and
"free as in beer" but not good/free enough for Red Hat to bless with
an installer that actually worked so we got the broken gcj instead and
made everybody hate java because it didn't work.   Now the real thing
is free enough, but so far I don't see the improvement that we were
supposed to be waiting for...

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[John R Pierce]

On 3/5/2013 1:57 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
> Java is doing everything in it's power to rival the insecurity ...

sad, really, as one of Java's original goals was to be a completely 
sandboxable environment.

I wonder...  is Java really getting worse, or is it that the hackers are 
getting more sophisticated and finding ever more fiendish ways of 
violating systems  ?

I also wonder how long before the HTML5/Javascript world starts showing 
up equally gnarly fundamental security exposures.




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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:57 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
>>
>> Please.
>>
>> Java is doing everything in it's power to rival the insecurity records
>> of sendmail and bind from years ago, or horde's track record or phpBB's.
>> It's just one rolling security vector.  It's apparently maintained by
>> people that don't really know what they're doing since it's one issue
>> after another in rapid pace.  Oracle's attitude towards patches is
>> abysmal at best and I can't see any relief in sight.  Look at it this
>> way: distro's have rolling releases and Java has rolling security
>> vulnerabilities.
>
> But wait - wasn't making the code 'free' supposed to take care of all
> those issues since everyone can now see the problems and contribute
> the fixes?   I think RMS may have led us astray.

No, java was Sun's baby, now it's Oracle's. I know y'all have seen my
feelings about Oracle/Sun hardware "tech support"

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:57 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:
>
> Please.
>
> Java is doing everything in it's power to rival the insecurity records
> of sendmail and bind from years ago, or horde's track record or phpBB's.
> It's just one rolling security vector.  It's apparently maintained by
> people that don't really know what they're doing since it's one issue
> after another in rapid pace.  Oracle's attitude towards patches is
> abysmal at best and I can't see any relief in sight.  Look at it this
> way: distro's have rolling releases and Java has rolling security
> vulnerabilities.

But wait - wasn't making the code 'free' supposed to take care of all
those issues since everyone can now see the problems and contribute
the fixes?   I think RMS may have led us astray.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[John R. Dennison]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 06:23:25PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> 
> Yeah, right, like there are no 0day patches periodically for a
> multitude of software, including Apache, PHP, and the like. And what
> are Microsoft´s "Patch Tuesday" Windows updates for, after all?.

Please.

Java is doing everything in it's power to rival the insecurity records
of sendmail and bind from years ago, or horde's track record or phpBB's.
It's just one rolling security vector.  It's apparently maintained by
people that don't really know what they're doing since it's one issue
after another in rapid pace.  Oracle's attitude towards patches is
abysmal at best and I can't see any relief in sight.  Look at it this
way: distro's have rolling releases and Java has rolling security
vulnerabilities.

> Security is a process. There is no "permanently secure" software. Not
> even OpenBSD with its "memory randomization".

How about permanently insecure?




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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:36 PM,   wrote:
>> >>
>>> tomcat? Ton's o' websites with java, that are really, really slow, and
>>> break easily?
>>
>> Tell you what - install OpenGrok
>> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/ (grab it quick
>> it, it is moving soon) and index/browse/search a large codebase.  Then
>> tell me what can do it faster.
>>
> So, tell me (since I'd never heard of it): folks around here use eclipse
> (java, and not really happy with less than 2GB of RAM...) - what does
> opengrok need, and how's it compare?

I'm not happy with less the 4GB RAM, with/without java, but I'm not
sure how that is relevant.  RAM is cheap and useful, if you need it,
get more.

Anyway, opengrok is a web service that runs under tomcat (or
similar...), so everyone can share one instance.  You drop the source
in it's directory and tell it to index.   Then you can can browse the
files, do raw text searches, or follow the def/ref links that it
embeds for you.  My point is that it is fast and you can try it out
pretty quickly if you know how to deploy a tomcat site - or just
follow the 
instructions.(http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/installdescription)
  It may or may not be useful to you but it shows the language works.
As does Jenkins, OpenNMS, Alfresco, etc.

Here's a public one but they seem to have disabled the raw browsing -
you have to search for something:
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/   And it is not nearly as fast as
what you'd get with a local install on a centos box.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM,   wrote:
>> >>
>> tomcat? Ton's o' websites with java, that are really, really slow, and
>> break easily?
>
> Tell you what - install OpenGrok
> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/ (grab it quick
> it, it is moving soon) and index/browse/search a large codebase.  Then
> tell me what can do it faster.
>
So, tell me (since I'd never heard of it): folks around here use eclipse
(java, and not really happy with less than 2GB of RAM...) - what does
opengrok need, and how's it compare?

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM,   wrote:
> >>
> tomcat? Ton's o' websites with java, that are really, really slow, and
> break easily?

Tell you what - install OpenGrok
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/ (grab it quick
it, it is moving soon) and index/browse/search a large codebase.  Then
tell me what can do it faster.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Rainer Duffner  wrote:
> The question is rather: are there days without new "emergency patches" for 
> Java?

Yeah, right, like there are no 0day patches periodically for a
multitude of software, including Apache, PHP, and the like. And what
are Microsoft´s "Patch Tuesday" Windows updates for, after all?.

Adobe Rolls out emergency patch for Flash plug-in
http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/adobe-rolls-out-emergency-flash-patch/146804

Critical PHP vulnerability exposes web sites to data theft
http://www.infoworld.com/t/application-security/critical-php-vulnerability-exposes-servers-data-theft-or-worse-192428

Top ten PHP security vulnerabilities (Oct 2012)
http://phpmaster.com/top-10-php-security-vulnerabilities/

PHP patches actively exploited CGI vulnerability
http://www.pcworld.com/article/255289/php_patches_actively_exploited_cgi_vulnerability.html

Security is a process. There is no "permanently secure" software. Not
even OpenBSD with its "memory randomization".

http://pages.citebite.com/h9a3a5k5umdw

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

Rainer Duffner wrote:
>
> Am 05.03.2013 um 18:51 schrieb m.r...@5-cent.us:
>
>> I see there's a release today
>
> The question is rather: are there days without new "emergency patches" for
> Java? And at what point does an "emergency" become a permanent condition….

Oh, come on. The last one was all of, um, what, two weeks ago? That's not
every day 

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Rainer Duffner]

Am 05.03.2013 um 18:51 schrieb m.r...@5-cent.us:

> I see there's a release today 


The question is rather: are there days without new "emergency patches" for Java?
And at what point does an "emergency" become a permanent condition….
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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM,   wrote:
>>>
>> What do you mean M$ employees? I've never worked for M$, have stayed
>> away
>> from WinDoze for many years, and I *loathe* java, which failed in
>> everything it was sold on the basis of being able to solve in the
>> mid-nineties
>
> Errr, beg your pardon?   There are some fantastic things written in
> java -  jenkins is one that would clearly be difficult to do in any
> other language.  And android's dalvik is a conceptual if not literal
> offspring.   The thing I don't understand is why there isn't a dalvik
> VM for other OS's so android apk's could run everywhere without
> something silly like bluestacks.
>
tomcat? Ton's o' websites with java, that are really, really slow, and
break easily? And then there's the "write once, try  to run
everywhere"

Oh, and how about "with java, you can't have null pointer exceptions"? Or
the fact that when tomcat, for example, crashes, the stack traces - in
other words, the function calls - range from 100 to 200 deep!


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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[John R Pierce]

On 3/5/2013 12:29 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> What do you mean M$ employees? I've never worked for M$

you work for ZDNet or another 'mainstream IT press' outfit?



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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM,   wrote:
>>
> What do you mean M$ employees? I've never worked for M$, have stayed away
> from WinDoze for many years, and I *loathe* java, which failed in
> everything it was sold on the basis of being able to solve in the
> mid-nineties

Errr, beg your pardon?   There are some fantastic things written in
java -  jenkins is one that would clearly be difficult to do in any
other language.  And android's dalvik is a conceptual if not literal
offspring.   The thing I don't understand is why there isn't a dalvik
VM for other OS's so android apk's could run everywhere without
something silly like bluestacks.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:29 PM,   wrote:
> What do you mean M$ employees?

http://zdnet.sumben.com/?/meet-the-team/us/jason.perlow/
"Jason Perlow, Sr. Technology Editor at ZDNet ..."
"...  Jason is currently a Technology Solution Professional with
Microsoft Corp. "

> I've never worked for M$, have stayed away
> from WinDoze for many years, and I *loathe* java, which failed in
> everything it was sold on the basis of being able to solve in the
> mid-nineties

Oh really, check out successfull Java based software like Jitsi, for instance:
www.jitsi.org
or vuze www.vuze.com, or jdownloader...
or http://www.sweethome3d.com/index.jsp
or http://www.artofillusion.org/

all actively developed, cross-platform and succesful. And I´m just
naming a handful off the top of my head.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM,   wrote:
>> I'd found that in googling, but it only mentioned Oracle.
>
> Because the new pastime of the mainstream IT press (specially IDG;
> ZDNet which includes many Microsoft employees that write slamming
> Java) is slamming Oracle, not educating about OpenJDK and its open
> nature with IBM, RedHat, Apple and Twitter as contributors...
>
What do you mean M$ employees? I've never worked for M$, have stayed away
from WinDoze for many years, and I *loathe* java, which failed in
everything it was sold on the basis of being able to solve in the
mid-nineties

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

Karanbir Singh wrote:
> On 03/05/2013 08:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:

>>> When will CentOS-6.4 be released ... soon :)
>>>
>>> When is soon ... I would expect sometime before Friday, March 8th (or
>>> very close to that date).
>>
>> Thanks for posting a projected date.  I promise not to rant if you miss
>> it...
>>
> we never miss dates!

Neither do I!

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM,   wrote:
> I'd found that in googling, but it only mentioned Oracle.

Because the new pastime of the mainstream IT press (specially IDG;
ZDNet which includes many Microsoft employees that write slamming
Java) is slamming Oracle, not educating about OpenJDK and its open
nature with IBM, RedHat, Apple and Twitter as contributors...

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Karanbir Singh]

On 03/05/2013 08:13 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>>>
>> When will CentOS-6.4 be released ... soon :)
>>
>> When is soon ... I would expect sometime before Friday, March 8th (or
>> very close to that date).
> 
> Thanks for posting a projected date.  I promise not to rant if you miss it...
> 

we never miss dates!

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:49 PM,   wrote:
> trying to figure out if it *only* affects Oracle's java,
> or openjdk also.

OpenJDK IS Oracle´s java, sans the browser plug-in which was never
open sourced by Sun, and which is provided by Icedtea-web.

Oracle has made OpenJDK 7 the reference implementation of JDK 7.
95% shared code according to the RedHat presentation at the JBos 2012 summit:
http://www.redhat.com/summit/2012/pdf/2012-DevDay-OpenJDK-Bhole.pdf

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Les Mikesell]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Johnny Hughes  wrote:
>>
> When will CentOS-6.4 be released ... soon :)
>
> When is soon ... I would expect sometime before Friday, March 8th (or
> very close to that date).

Thanks for posting a projected date.  I promise not to rant if you miss it...

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 03/05/2013 12:51 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 03/05/2013 12:49 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> On 03/05/2013 11:51 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 I see there's a release today or so from Oracle of a new zero-day
 vulnerability. Any idea how soon we'll have an update?

 

>>> As soon as redhat releases one?
>> Figured that - just wondered if y'all had heard anything.
>>
>> For that matter, I tried following the CSV, and can't find more info on
>> the NIST site - trying to figure out if it *only* affects Oracle's java,
>> or openjdk also.
>>
> It impacts both:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917553

Note:  That means (1) We're on it :D , and (2) When this is released for
CentOS-6.x it will initially be in 6.3/CR repo if 6.4 is not released
yet or 6.4/updates if 6.4 is released. CentOS-5.9 will just get the
update released normally into 5.9/updates.

When will CentOS-6.4 be released ... soon :)

When is soon ... I would expect sometime before Friday, March 8th (or
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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 03/05/2013 12:49 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> Johnny Hughes wrote:
>>> On 03/05/2013 11:51 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 I see there's a release today or so from Oracle of a new zero-day
 vulnerability. Any idea how soon we'll have an update?

 

>>> As soon as redhat releases one?
>> Figured that - just wondered if y'all had heard anything.
>>
>> For that matter, I tried following the CSV, and can't find more info on
>> the NIST site - trying to figure out if it *only* affects Oracle's java,
>> or openjdk also.
>>
>
> It impacts both:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917553

I'd found that in googling, but it only mentioned Oracle. Thanks, Johnny,
now I can report that to my manager.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 03/05/2013 12:49 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Johnny Hughes wrote:
>> On 03/05/2013 11:51 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>> I see there's a release today or so from Oracle of a new zero-day
>>> vulnerability. Any idea how soon we'll have an update?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>> As soon as redhat releases one?
> Figured that - just wondered if y'all had heard anything.
>
> For that matter, I tried following the CSV, and can't find more info on
> the NIST site - trying to figure out if it *only* affects Oracle's java,
> or openjdk also.
>

It impacts both:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917553



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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

Johnny Hughes wrote:
> On 03/05/2013 11:51 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> I see there's a release today or so from Oracle of a new zero-day
>> vulnerability. Any idea how soon we'll have an update?
>>
>> 
>>
>
> As soon as redhat releases one?

Figured that - just wondered if y'all had heard anything.

For that matter, I tried following the CSV, and can't find more info on
the NIST site - trying to figure out if it *only* affects Oracle's java,
or openjdk also.

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Re: [CentOS] New java update?

[Johnny Hughes]

On 03/05/2013 11:51 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> I see there's a release today or so from Oracle of a new zero-day
> vulnerability. Any idea how soon we'll have an update?
>
> 
>

As soon as redhat releases one?



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[CentOS] New java update?

[m . roth]

I see there's a release today or so from Oracle of a new zero-day
vulnerability. Any idea how soon we'll have an update?



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Re: [CentOS] network connectivity lost after reboot/upgrade

[Kai Schaetzl]

SilverTip257 wrote on Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:28:29 -0500:

> But it would have been helpful if you had shared more information (think
> NIC model, NIC chipset, kernel module in use for that chipset).

Why? It's quite clear that this is a hardware failure. I tested a live CD 
and PXE booting on it with the same problem before buying the new card. I 
also tested the system disk fine in another machine. It's got nothing to 
do with the system, although it happened right after the update/reboot.

So, other than replacing the mobo, it *is* the solution. Mobo might be 
going haywire next as well, but currently it's absolutely stable. And I 
have a backup now in case it wants to go ...

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Re: [CentOS] network connectivity lost after reboot/upgrade

[SilverTip257]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

> Kai Schaetzl wrote on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:15:46 +0100:
>
> > Has anyone seen such a hardware failure where the link goes up but no
> > packets go over the wire? It seems a bit unlikely that this hardware
> > failure (and nothing else) should happen on a reboot after an upgrade.
>
> It was indeed a weird hardware failure. All works fine with disabled
> inboard LAN and a cheap PCI network card.
>

That's a suitable workaround for getting a system operational again.
In the end that is nothing more than a workaround, not a true solution. :-/

But it would have been helpful if you had shared more information (think
NIC model, NIC chipset, kernel module in use for that chipset).


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Re: [CentOS] ProLiant ML110 G7

[Juan De Mola]

Fake (software) or real (hardware) it only allow install in AHCI mode,
for the records. It is now running the OS. Install complete. Thanks.

2013/3/5 John R Pierce :
> On 3/5/2013 8:58 AM, Juan De Mola wrote:
>> Yes it has hardware RAID, two 250GB disk. But on BIOS it is set as
>> Legacy Support. Puting it on AHCI allowed to see the disk. At least
>> the one that is connected.
> that sounds like fake raid, not real HW raid like a smartarray p400
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Re: [CentOS] ProLiant ML110 G7

[SilverTip257]

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Juan De Mola  wrote:

> Yes it has hardware RAID, two 250GB disk. But on BIOS it is set as
> Legacy Support. Puting it on AHCI allowed to see the disk. At least
> the one that is connected.
>

If the RAID controller has a raid1 array set up then you'll only see one
drive.
The OS only sees a single drive because the hardware raid controller
handles the drives directly.


>
> 2013/3/5  :
> > Juan De Mola wrote:
> >> How I can set up CentOS 5 on it if it don't see the drives.
> >>
> > A number of questions: first, does it have a hardware RAID controller? If
> > so, has it been configured via firmware to present drives to the o/s?
> >
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Re: [CentOS] ProLiant ML110 G7

[John R Pierce]

On 3/5/2013 8:58 AM, Juan De Mola wrote:
> Yes it has hardware RAID, two 250GB disk. But on BIOS it is set as
> Legacy Support. Puting it on AHCI allowed to see the disk. At least
> the one that is connected.
that sounds like fake raid, not real HW raid like a smartarray p400

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Re: [CentOS] ProLiant ML110 G7

[Juan De Mola]

Yes it has hardware RAID, two 250GB disk. But on BIOS it is set as
Legacy Support. Puting it on AHCI allowed to see the disk. At least
the one that is connected.

2013/3/5  :
> Juan De Mola wrote:
>> How I can set up CentOS 5 on it if it don't see the drives.
>>
> A number of questions: first, does it have a hardware RAID controller? If
> so, has it been configured via firmware to present drives to the o/s?
>
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Re: [CentOS] ProLiant ML110 G7

[m . roth]

m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Juan De Mola wrote:
>> How I can set up CentOS 5 on it if it don't see the drives.
>>
> A number of questions: first, does it have a hardware RAID controller? If
> so, has it been configured via firmware to present drives to the o/s?
>
Oh, yes - bad form to follow myself up, but after I hit , I had
another thought: what happens if you boot to linux rescue - what do you
see?

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Re: [CentOS] Centos6 ipsec troubles

[Gordon Messmer]

On 03/05/2013 08:13 AM, Riccardo Veraldi wrote:
> I managed to make ipsec-tools work on CentOS 6.x
> here is how I did it:

Yes, you got a tunnel working between two systems both running 
ipsec-tools on Linux.  Try to link with anything else.  The 
configuration that you present will not work with Openswan on Linux, 
ipsecctl on OpenBSD, Cisco or Sonicwall firewalls.  Whatever your 
feelings about those other stacks, ipsec-tools use on Red Hat remains 
poorly documented (non-existent since the package was discontinued) and 
not inter-operable without undocumented options.
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Re: [CentOS] ProLiant ML110 G7

[m . roth]

Juan De Mola wrote:
> How I can set up CentOS 5 on it if it don't see the drives.
>
A number of questions: first, does it have a hardware RAID controller? If
so, has it been configured via firmware to present drives to the o/s?

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[CentOS] ProLiant ML110 G7

[Juan De Mola]

How I can set up CentOS 5 on it if it don't see the drives.

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Re: [CentOS] Centos6 ipsec troubles

[Riccardo Veraldi]

Hello,
I managed to make ipsec-tools work on CentOS 6.x

here is how I did it:

http://unix.wikinet.org/wiki/Configure_IPSec_on_CentOS_6.x_using_Kame_implementation#Modify_network_scripts

thanks

Rick




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> On 03/04/2013 07:45 AM, Riccardo Veraldi wrote:
>> I am not planning to use the awful OpenSwan, I Want to sue the Kame
>> implementation which was working fine on CentOS5
> No can do.  As Leon pointed out, ipsec-tools was discontinued.  The
> documentation for ipsec-tools was always *awful* and the examples that
> were included in the documentation definitely did not match common
> configurations.  Getting a tunnel up to any other type of OS was a
> nightmare.  Good riddance.
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[CentOS] fencing nodes with drac under 5.9

[Adam Wead]

Hi all,

A recent update to CentOS 5.9 has broken my cluster's ability to fence
nodes.  I have two Dell's which are both fenced via their DRAC6 cards.  The
current configuration in cluster.conf for the fencing devices is:



After the updates, when one of the two systems comes online and starts the
cman service, it will startup fencing.  At that point it contacts the other
node and reboots it repeatedly, never allowing the system to come back
online.  If I disable the cman service and renable it after both systems
come back online, when cman starts up, it reboots the other and the process
starts over again.

Fencing with DRAC devices is not terribly well-documented, so I immagine
there was something in the update that changed the way this worked.  I
originally used system-config-cluster to created the configuration file,
but that had to tweak it adding the fence_drac5 agent manually because the
configuration tool didn't support it.  I also tried recreating the cluster
with conga, via luci and ricci, but no success there either.

Is anyone out there doing clustering with Dells and DRAC6 cards under
CentOS 5.9?  Or under CentOS 6 for that matter... I'm willing to update if
it fixes this.

thanks in advance,

...adam


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Re: [CentOS] Google Earth on EL6.x x86_64

[Toralf Lund]

On 04/03/13 04:35, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 10:56:26AM +0800, Earl Ramirez wrote:
>> On Sun, 2013-03-03 at 21:49 -0500, Fred Smith wrote:
>>> Has anyone gotten 64-bit google earth to run on el6 x86_64?
>>>
>>> It dies almost immediately, complaining for lack of ld-lsb.so.3.
>>> Perusing user forums at google I see a few others with the problem,
>>> but no (working) solutions.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> You will need to install the following 32 bit packages
>>
>> 1. redhat-lsb.i686
>> 2. mesa-libGL.i686
>> 3. mesa-libGLU.i686
>>
>> I get this to work on my laptop a few days ago.
> thanks Earl, I'll give it a whirl.
>
> I did "ldd /opt/google/earth/free/googleearth-bin" and got back a list
> of a dozen or so "not found" items,
>   would you be willing to check on
> your system and see what you get back? (that might be because it has
> not been thru the preceding shellscript that might set up some ENV
> to point to the right places, I suppose.)
I think it should be able to resolve all "external" libs via standard path.

You probably need to install 32-bit versions of a lot more libs, like Qt 
and the basic X11 stuff. The real problem here is that libraries used is 
not listed in the package requirements. Not to mention the fact that the 
so-called 64-bit package actually contains 32-bit binaries. Or at least, 
that's the case for the one I have - 
google-earth-stable-7.0.2.8415-0.x86_64.

- Toralf

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>
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Re: [CentOS] network connectivity lost after reboot/upgrade

[Kai Schaetzl]

Kai Schaetzl wrote on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:15:46 +0100:

> Has anyone seen such a hardware failure where the link goes up but no 
> packets go over the wire? It seems a bit unlikely that this hardware 
> failure (and nothing else) should happen on a reboot after an upgrade.

It was indeed a weird hardware failure. All works fine with disabled 
inboard LAN and a cheap PCI network card.

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Re: [CentOS] Software RAID complete drives or individual partitions

[SilverTip257]

On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Chris Weisiger wrote:

> I have been reading about software raid. I configured my first software
> raid system about a month ago.
>
> I have 4 500 Gig drives configured in RAID 5 configuration with a total of
> 1.5TB.
>
> Currently I configured the complete individual drivers as software raid,
> then created a /dev/md0 with the drives
>
>
I've read (and would agree) that using the entire drive can hide the fact
that a softraid is there.  If you set up a partition on the disk and mark
the file system as type "fd" then no matter what you know that disk is part
of a softraid array.

What you configured works.  Is it wrong?  No.


> I then created a /file_storage partition on /dev/md0.
>
> I created my /boot / and swap partitions on a non raid drive in my system.
>
> Is the the proper way to configure software raid?


I generally use LVM on my systems, so my layouts has /boot carved out as
its own partition and then another partition for the LVM PV.  And if you
use standard partitions instead of LVM, then create individual softraid
arrays for each partition.
* Remember, /boot can only be on a raid1 software array.


Veering slightly from your original question...
I recently set up softraid arrays by hand before invoking the Anaconda
installer (on a 6.3 install).  Recent mdadm packages that ship with CentOS
support metadata 1.1 and 1.2 (... actually defaulting to 1.2 I believe),
but GRUB 0.97 only supports metadata 1.0 and not the metadata version that
mdadm defaulted to.  On my CentOS 5 installs in the past I've specifically
set --metadata=0.90 to avert any catastrophes like this.

Fun problem to troubleshoot ... I knew it once that system wouldn't boot
though.  Kind of odd that the installer didn't pick up on the metadata
version and flag it or modify it.  In the end I ended up rescuing the
system by backing up and recreating the /boot softraid with metadata 1.0  :)


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Re: [CentOS] CUPS halts when no Internet

[Juan De Mola]

The ADSL is connected toa switch and from that switch all the other
clients and the server itself. All clients, LPD hosts and servers use
IPs, I think no name resolution must be present for it to work.

Yesterday I switched servers to a backup CentOS 5 install that works
excelent with or without Internet.

Telne, well, the software programmer has used it for years and is very
sticky to it. I am trying to force SSH on new deployments, testing the
keep alive methods.

2013/3/5 James Hogarth :
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm... this sounds like common issues that crop up when you are having
> DNS resolution issues.  Are the name servers for your network on the "other
> end" of the ADSL connection?  If so, you might be able to resolve some of
> the issues by editing the hosts file to make sure the local systems are
> resolving even when the name servers are unavailable or running a local
> caching nameserver.
>>
>> Just a thought!
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> It does sound like it could be that... But I'd just like the OP to clarify
> his network topology... Is the ADSL connected to this server and then this
> being a gateway for other systems?
>
> Also telnet? Out of sheer curiosity why the telnet server?
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Re: [CentOS] Finding matching words in a word game

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[CentOS] Finding matching words in a word game

[Alexander Farber]

Hello,

is there maybe a clever way of finding all possible words
from a given set of letters by means of PostgreSQL
(i.e. inside the database vs. scanning all database
rows by a PHP script, which would take too long) -
if the dictionary is kept in a simple table like:

create table good_words (
word varchar(16) primary key,
stamp timestamp default current_timestamp
);

I could add a column above, where same letters as in "word"
would be sorted alphabetically... but then I don't know.

I've described my question in more detail at
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15220072/postgresql-and-word-games

Thank you for any suggestions
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Re: [CentOS] acrobat reader for x86_64?

[John Austin]

On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 10:28 -0500, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Fred Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 08:45:40AM +0100, Sorin Srbu wrote:
> >> > Behalf Of Fred Smith
> >> >
> >> > Adobe doesn't seem to have acroread for x86_64 linux, or at least I
> >> > don't see it anywhere.
> >> >
> >> > Anybody know otherwise?
> 
> >> What would be the advantage running having this software in 64b?
> >
> > the "advantage" would be the diff between having it and not, as opposed
> > to having it in 64-bit versus 32-bit.
> 
> Adobe *does* have a 64-bit repo. Install it as follows:
> 
> rpm -ivh
> http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/adobe-release/adobe-release-x86_64-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
> 
> and enjoy.
> 
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This is from a Fedora 18 machine - I believe it will be the same
for Centos but I have not tried !


I have both i386 and x86_64 repos configured and I cannot see
x86_64 version of AdobeReader


ja@minix ~ 1$ repoquery -a --repoid=adobe-linux-x86_64
adobe-release-x86_64-0:1.0-1.noarch
flash-plugin-0:11.2.202.273-release.x86_64


ja@minix ~ 2$ repoquery -a --repoid=adobe-linux-i386
...
AdobeReader_deu-0:9.4.2-1.i486
AdobeReader_enu-0:9.5.4-1.i486
AdobeReader_esp-0:8.1.7-1.i486
...
adobe-release-i386-0:1.0-1.noarch
flash-plugin-0:11.2.202.273-release.i386
--

I do get confused by the names of the rpm files though

[root@minix:~]$ yumdownloader AdobeReader_enu
down loads
AdbeRdr9.5.4-1_i486linux_enu.rpm

which when it is installed becomes this
AdobeReader_enu-9.5.4-1.i486
NOT
AdobeReader_enu-0:9.5.4-1.i486

[root@minix:~]$ rpm -qa|grep -i adobe
AdobeReader_enu-9.5.4-1.i486
adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch
adobe-source-libraries-1.0.43-13.fc18.x86_64
adobe-release-x86_64-1.0-1.noarch
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wget
http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/AdbeRdr9.5.4-1_i486linux_enu.rpm


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Re: [CentOS] CUPS halts when no Internet

[James Hogarth]

>>
>
> Hmmm... this sounds like common issues that crop up when you are having
DNS resolution issues.  Are the name servers for your network on the "other
end" of the ADSL connection?  If so, you might be able to resolve some of
the issues by editing the hosts file to make sure the local systems are
resolving even when the name servers are unavailable or running a local
caching nameserver.
>
> Just a thought!
> --

It does sound like it could be that... But I'd just like the OP to clarify
his network topology... Is the ADSL connected to this server and then this
being a gateway for other systems?

Also telnet? Out of sheer curiosity why the telnet server?
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