Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?
On 2015-01-07, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > Of course, the other possibility is simply that you've formatted your > own filesystems, and they have a maximum mount count or a check > interval. If Les is having to run fsck manually, as he wrote in his OP, then this is unlikely to be the cause of the issues he described in that post. There must be some sort of errors on the filesystem that caused the unattended fsck to exit nonzero. --keith -- kkel...@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] dovecot move doesn't work
Am 06.01.2015 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Campbell: I'm running centos 6.6 with the default 2.0.9-xxx dovecot. I run sa-learn against my spam_to_learn folder, then I wan to move those emails to a learned_spam folder. when I do a doveadm -Dv move -u user learned_spam mailbox 'spam_to_learn' ALL I get this result: usage: doveadm [-Dv] [-f ] [] [ ... ] this doesn't even list a move command, yet the dovecot pages show it and give examples. The dovecot version provided by CentOS 6 simply does not have that feature implemented. The wiki.dovecot.org documentation reflects the current stable upstream status of things. any suggestions? You may use the dovecot22 package provided by the ghettoforge plus repository, providing dovecot release 2.2.15. thanks, -chuck Alexander ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?
On 01/06/2015 04:37 PM, Gary Greene wrote: This has been discussed to death on various lists, including the LKML... Almost every controller and drive out there now lies about what is and isn’t flushed to disk, making it nigh on impossible for the Kernel to reliably know 100% of the time that the data HAS been flushed to disk. This is part of the reason why it is always a Good Idea™ to have some sort of pause in the shut down to ensure that it IS flushed. That's pretty much entirely irrelevant to the original question. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in the following) A filesystem has three states: Clean, Dirty, and Dirty with errors. When a filesystem is unmounted, the cache is flushed and it is marked clean last. This is the expected state when a filesystem is mounted. Once a filesystem is mounted read/write, then it is marked dirty. If a filesystem is dirty when it is mounted, then it wasn't unmounted properly. In the case of a journaled filesystem, typically the journal will be replayed and the filesystem will then be mounted. The last case, dirty with errors indicates that the kernel found invalid data while the filesystem was mounted, and recorded that fact in the filesystem metadata. This will normally be the only condition that will force an fsck on boot. It will also normally result in logs being generated when the errors are encountered. If your filesystems are force-checked on boot, then the logs should usually tell you why. It's not a matter of a timeout or some device not flushing its cache. Of course, the other possibility is simply that you've formatted your own filesystems, and they have a maximum mount count or a check interval. Use 'tune2fs -l' to check those two values. If either of them are set, then there is no problem with your system. It is behaving as designed, and forcing a periodic check because that is the default behavior. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:52:48PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: > > Some people are annoyed that CentOS keeps changing on them, and keep going to > greater and greater lengths to try and argue that CentOS should not change. > > I am explaining to them why this is not a productive view. It's not relevant in _any_ sense. CentOS is nothing more than (at it's core) a rebuild of RHEL. This type of nonsense should be directed to Red Hat in a Red Hat venue. It's nothing but off-topic noise here as CentOS will not deviate from its upstream in its core offerings. John -- Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy. http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html pgpehGCA0QykK.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 20:19 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > Is there any centralized approach to converting something > that worked on CentOS6 to run on CentOS7? Does the program that is > supposed to try to automatically upgrade versions have any tricks > hidden away to fix things so they work after the upgrade, and could > any of them be run separately? Brilliant task to assign to Warren Young. That will keep him away from his disruptive "improvements" philosophy. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 18:51 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > I think we’ll figure out something new to do with computers tomorrow. > Certainly by Friday at latest. You seem to forget. Computers were invented to perform repetitive tasks. Computer usage should be serving mankind - not making it more difficult for mankind. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Warren Young wrote: > On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:49 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:37:42PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: >> >> Noise removed. >> >> Quick question, if I may? What does this have to do with CentOS? > > Some people are annoyed that CentOS keeps changing on them, and keep going to > greater and greater lengths to try and argue that CentOS should not change. No one has said it should not change. Just that it breaks all users existing work when it changes in non-backwards compatible ways. > I am explaining to them why this is not a productive view. The non-productive part is that every user who has ever built anything of non-stable components has to deal with the problem on an individual basis. Is there any centralized approach to converting something that worked on CentOS6 to run on CentOS7? Does the program that is supposed to try to automatically upgrade versions have any tricks hidden away to fix things so they work after the upgrade, and could any of them be run separately? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:49 PM, John R. Dennison wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:37:42PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: > > Noise removed. > > Quick question, if I may? What does this have to do with CentOS? Some people are annoyed that CentOS keeps changing on them, and keep going to greater and greater lengths to try and argue that CentOS should not change. I am explaining to them why this is not a productive view. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Always Learning wrote: > On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 16:07 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > > >>"There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that >> remains is more and more precise measurement.” >> >> — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, 1900 > > Now means the current time. Now is not, and never will be, The (unknown) > Future. Yyyyeah. Let’s rewrite the quote with that interpretation: “We have already discovered everything we are going to discover up to and including February 18, 1900.” — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, 1900 Not exactly the sparkling sort of statement we expect from one of the most brilliant scientists ever to walk the planet, is it? Rather on the vapid side, yes? Could it be that that is not actually what he meant? Don’t like Kelvin? ‘Kay, how about this one: “The advancement of the arts, from year to year, taxes our credulity and seems to presage the arrival of that period when human improvement must end.” — Henry J. Ellsworth, Commissioner of the U.S. Patent Office, in the office's 1843 Annual Report I think we’ll figure out something new to do with computers tomorrow. Certainly by Friday at latest. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Gary Greene wrote: > > > Almost every controller and drive out there now lies about what is and isn’t > flushed to disk, making it nigh on impossible for the Kernel to reliably know > 100% of the time that the data HAS been flushed to disk. This is part of the > reason why it is always a Good Idea™ to have some sort of pause in the shut > down to ensure that it IS flushed. > > This is also why server grade gear uses battery backed buffers, etc. which > are supposed to allow drives to properly flush the data to disk. There is > still a slim chance in these cases that the data still will not reach the > platter before power off or reboot, especially in catastrophic cases. > This was a reboot from software, not a power drop. Does that do something to kill the disk cache if anything happened to still be there? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 06:37:42PM -0700, Warren Young wrote: Noise removed. Quick question, if I may? What does this have to do with CentOS? John -- Spring is nature's way of saying, "Let's party!" -- Robin Williams (1952-), American actor and comedian pgpNiv125meno.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> There are more JavaScript interpreters in the world than Dalvik, ART,[2] and Java ® VMs combined. Perhaps we should rewrite everything in JavaScript instead? >>> >>> I'm counting the running/useful instances of actual program code, >> >> I rather doubt you’ve done anything like actual research on this. > > Not really, but start with the number of running android devices - and > I think it is reasonable to assume that they are running something, > checking gmail, etc. It's safe enough to say that's a big number. Sigh… I said I didn’t want to get into Oracle’s bogus 3 billion number, or how it’s exceeded by actual JS deployments. Just take it as read that I’ve thought through it, and I’m still sure JS has more deployments. Then apply my Tiobe argument to JS instead of Java: even if JS is significantly bigger than Java, it *still* doesn’t prove anything because it’s still a minority player, so there will continue to be a pressure to use something incompatible with it. There. Is. No. Nirvana. > it pretty much owns the phone/tablet space and the > examples of elasticsearch (and other lucene-based stuff), jenkins, > etc. show it scales to the other end as well. :shakes head in disbelief: What continuum is a smartphone the other end of, exactly? The one in my pocket has multiple general-purpose GHz-class CPU cores, a few specialized coprocessors, several hundred megs of RAM, dozens of gigs of fast local storage, and several high-tech radios. Its raw processing power is on the order of 100 GFLOPS. This is the low end of…what…the Top 500 List from 1998? …except that my phone achieves that parity on a few watts, and doesn’t require a staff of acolytes to tend to its needs. This is a device that would make Captain Kirk jealous, but it’s just one of a billion. Bring. We are *so* spoiled. You want to talk about stupid-high deployment numbers? Let’s talk embedded. 18.1 billion eight-bitters shipped *last year*. http://goo.gl/UTXhuV The PIC10F200 is somewhere near what *I* call the low end: 16 bytes of RAM and a bit under 256 usable words of program memory. http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en019863 It’s definitely not the actual bottom, though. They still make 4-bitters. > node.js seems like the worst of all worlds - a language designed _not_ > to speak to the OS directly with an OS library glued in. JavaScript’s a better language than a lot of other scripting languages that have found widespread use. (Please, don’t ask. I *still* don’t want to start an advocacy flamewar.) The economic drive behind it is making it uncommonly fast for a dynamic scripting language. And if the resource hits of dynamic programming are a problem, why were we just talking about Perl? :) > But it is a > good example of how programmers think - if one says you shouldn't do > something, it pretty much guarantees that someone else will. No, the thing you should not do is Jaxer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptana#Aptana_Jaxer node.js is a vastly better plan. >> it isn’t the Fedora development community’s fault that we have not yet >> achieved this nirvana. > > Really? How have they made it any easier to manage your 2nd machine > than your first? I didn’t ask them to solve that problem. My company already solved it adequately, years ago, in a massive shell script. Thus my thoughtful treatment of the problem of the gap between shell and C; it was on my mind prior to this exchange. I’m kind of surprised to find that Puppet and Chef are not in EL7, though. I don’t really need either, having solved my particular automatic deployment problem already, but I thought they achieved sufficient popularity before the EL7 feature freeze. Oh, and in case you were wondering, yes, that massive shell script did require some adjustment to move it from EL5 to EL7. It took me a day or two, during which time I was also working on portability differences in the rest of the software. A few days of work to get back on track for the next 7 years; not too shabby. Look, I doubt I’m any happier about how they moved my cheese than you are. I’ve just chosen to go hunt down the cheese and hack a few blocks off, instead of yelling about how they shouldn’t have moved it. >> Software is “pure thought-stuff,” to quote Fred Brooks. We have very little >> constraint on the scope and range of things we can create in software. Any >> attempt to package software up into a usefully-small set of >> precisely-characterized little black boxes is a Quixotic dream. > > It is also purely reproducible. Do something right once and no one > should ever have to waste that thought again. Arguably Smalltalk was GUIs and OO done right. Go spin up a Squeak VM and see if you still feel at home in that world: http://www.squeak.org/ Not only
Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?
On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Fran Garcia wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Les Mikesell <> wrote: >> I've had a few systems with a lot of RAM and very busy filesystems >> come up with filesystem errors that took a manual 'fsck -y' after what >> should have been a clean reboot. This is particularly annoying on >> remote systems where I have to talk someone else through the recovery. >> >> Is there some time limit on the cache write with a 'reboot' (no >> options) command or is ext4 that fragile? > > I'd say there's no limit in the amount of time the kernel waits until > the blocks have been written to disk; driven by there parameters: > > vm.dirty_background_bytes = 0 > vm.dirty_background_ratio = 10 > vm.dirty_bytes = 0 > vm.dirty_expire_centisecs = 3000 > vm.dirty_ratio = 20 > vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs = 500 > > ie, if the data cached on RAM is older than 30s or larger than 10% > available RAM, the kernel will try to flush it to disk. Depending how > much data needs to be flushed at poweroff/reboot time, this could have > a significant effect on the time taken. > > Regarding systems with lots of RAM, I've never seen such a behaviour > on a few 192 GB RAM servers I administer. Granted, your system could > be tuned in a different way or have some other configuration. > > TBH I'm not confident to give a definitive answer re the data not been > totally flushed before reboot. I'd investigate: > > - Whether this happens on every reboot or just on some. > - Whether your RAM is OK (the FS errors could come from that!). > - Whether your disks/SAN are caching writes. (Maybe they are and the > OS thinks the data has been flushed to disk, but they haven't) > - filesystem mount options that might interfere (nobarrier, commit, data...) This has been discussed to death on various lists, including the LKML... Almost every controller and drive out there now lies about what is and isn’t flushed to disk, making it nigh on impossible for the Kernel to reliably know 100% of the time that the data HAS been flushed to disk. This is part of the reason why it is always a Good Idea™ to have some sort of pause in the shut down to ensure that it IS flushed. This is also why server grade gear uses battery backed buffers, etc. which are supposed to allow drives to properly flush the data to disk. There is still a slim chance in these cases that the data still will not reach the platter before power off or reboot, especially in catastrophic cases. -- Gary L. Greene, Jr. Sr. Systems Administrator IT Operations Minerva Networks, Inc. Cell: +1 (650) 704-6633 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Les Mikesell <> wrote: > I've had a few systems with a lot of RAM and very busy filesystems > come up with filesystem errors that took a manual 'fsck -y' after what > should have been a clean reboot. This is particularly annoying on > remote systems where I have to talk someone else through the recovery. > > Is there some time limit on the cache write with a 'reboot' (no > options) command or is ext4 that fragile? I'd say there's no limit in the amount of time the kernel waits until the blocks have been written to disk; driven by there parameters: vm.dirty_background_bytes = 0 vm.dirty_background_ratio = 10 vm.dirty_bytes = 0 vm.dirty_expire_centisecs = 3000 vm.dirty_ratio = 20 vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs = 500 ie, if the data cached on RAM is older than 30s or larger than 10% available RAM, the kernel will try to flush it to disk. Depending how much data needs to be flushed at poweroff/reboot time, this could have a significant effect on the time taken. Regarding systems with lots of RAM, I've never seen such a behaviour on a few 192 GB RAM servers I administer. Granted, your system could be tuned in a different way or have some other configuration. TBH I'm not confident to give a definitive answer re the data not been totally flushed before reboot. I'd investigate: - Whether this happens on every reboot or just on some. - Whether your RAM is OK (the FS errors could come from that!). - Whether your disks/SAN are caching writes. (Maybe they are and the OS thinks the data has been flushed to disk, but they haven't) - filesystem mount options that might interfere (nobarrier, commit, data...) HTH ~f ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Warren Young wrote: > >>> There are more JavaScript interpreters in the world than Dalvik, ART,[2] >>> and Java ® VMs combined. Perhaps we should rewrite everything in >>> JavaScript instead? >> >> I'm counting the running/useful instances of actual program code, > > I rather doubt you’ve done anything like actual research on this. Not really, but start with the number of running android devices - and I think it is reasonable to assume that they are running something, checking gmail, etc. It's safe enough to say that's a big number. > If you’re trying to say that there’s more CPU-hours of JVM use on *ix than JS > in browsers, that sort of elitist argument has been repeatedly defeated. Big > Iron vs minicomputers, Unix workstations vs the PC, “real” Unix vs Linux, the > PC vs the smartphone… No, I'm saying it pretty much owns the phone/tablet space and the examples of elasticsearch (and other lucene-based stuff), jenkins, etc. show it scales to the other end as well. > Time and time again, the forces driving the end-user market end up taking > over the hrumph hrumph serious computing market. This has already happened > with JS vs Java in the “3 billion” space Oracle wants to claim, and I see no > reason why it can’t eventually steamroll the *ix world, too, via node.js. node.js seems like the worst of all worlds - a language designed _not_ to speak to the OS directly with an OS library glued in. But it is a good example of how programmers think - if one says you shouldn't do something, it pretty much guarantees that someone else will. > I think the real difference we have on this point is that I’m not actually > serious when I propose that the whole world rewrite all software in My > Favorite Language just to make my job easier. I'd settle for just not changing the languages in ways that break already written software. But even that seems too much to expect. >> JavaScript >> is on the rise mostly because the interpreters upgrade transparently >> and the hassle is somewhat hidden. > > No, JavaScript is on the rise because the web is on the rise, and it managed > to secure the spot as the web’s scripting language through an accident of > history. That is all. I think you are underestimating the way the working interpreters get to the users. And the way the code libraries mask the differences. If users were exposed to version incompatibilities the popularity would vanish. In fact, being able to actively detect and work around incompatibilities is a large part of the reason it is used at all. >> I thought CPAN was approaching that long ago, or at >> least getting to the point where the new code you have to write to do >> about anything would take about half a page of calls to existing >> modules. > > Ah yes, the ever-near future where everyone will plug a few Lego-like > software blocks together and thereby construct any useful program they wish, > while lacking any clue about what’s going on. That future’s been 5 years > away for the past 5 decades. Not it the sense that there's nothing new to invent, but that every sysadmin in every organization and every home user should not need to invent new processes to manage their machines. > It’s as likely today as ever — which is to say, “not” — and it isn’t the > Fedora development community’s fault that we have not yet achieved this > nirvana. Really? How have they made it any easier to manage your 2nd machine than your first? > Software is “pure thought-stuff,” to quote Fred Brooks. We have very little > constraint on the scope and range of things we can create in software. Any > attempt to package software up into a usefully-small set of > precisely-characterized little black boxes is a Quixotic dream. It is also purely reproducible. Do something right once and no one should ever have to waste that thought again. >>> Why even bother with ksh or Bash extensions, for that matter? The original >>> Bourne shell achieved Turing-completeness in 1977. There is literally >>> nothing we can ask a computer to do that we cannot cause to happen via a >>> shell script. (Except run fast.) >> >> Well, Bourne didn't deal with sockets. > > BSD Sockets didn’t exist in 1977. Precisely. Once there was close to a 1-1 mapping of shell and external commands to system calls. Now there isn't. > In any case, you’re willfully ignoring the nature of *ix type shell script > programming. A shell script’s “function library” is the set of all programs > in the PATH. Drop nc/ncat/netcat/socat in the PATH, and suddenly your shell > script knows how to talk to BSD sockets. It’s really no different than > installing libnsl on a Solaris box. I wasn't ignoring it. I just was avoiding another rant about how those have not been maintained in a backwards compatible way either. Even though shell syntax is stable, the programs are usually just glue around an assortment of tools that no longer match section
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 16:07 -0700, Warren Young wrote: > "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that > remains is more and more precise measurement.” > > — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, 1900 Now means the current time. Now is not, and never will be, The (unknown) Future. In the real world of using computers productively for repetitive tasks, people want stability and perhaps faster running programmes. No one ever wants a major upset of being forced to use a different method to perform the same tasks. Young men are enthusiastic about implementing new ideas. Old men with substantially more experience wisely want to avoid disrupting well-running systems. Time is money. Disruptions waste money and cause errors. -- Regards, Paul. England, EU. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > So, after you've spent at least 10 years rolling out machines to do > things as fast as you can, and teaching the others in your > organization to spell 'chkconfig' and use 'system ...' commands, > wouldn't you rather continue to be productive and do more instead of > having to start over and re-do the same set of things over again just > to keep the old stuff working? Having been through a bunch of these transitions already (SysV -> Linux bingo -> BSD -> OS X…) it doesn’t greatly bother me. Given that I’ve spent more time on Red Hattish Linuxes than any other *ix, I suppose I’m more surprised it’s lasted as long as it has than I am upset that it’s changing again. >> There are more JavaScript interpreters in the world than Dalvik, ART,[2] and >> Java ® VMs combined. Perhaps we should rewrite everything in JavaScript >> instead? > > I'm counting the running/useful instances of actual program code, I rather doubt you’ve done anything like actual research on this. If you’re just buying Oracle’s bogus “3 billion” number uncritically, there are a bunch of problems with that, but I’d have to drag us off topic to discuss them. In any case, *ix falls into the noise floor if this is the scale you’re using to gauge the success of Java. If you’re trying to say that there’s more CPU-hours of JVM use on *ix than JS in browsers, that sort of elitist argument has been repeatedly defeated. Big Iron vs minicomputers, Unix workstations vs the PC, “real” Unix vs Linux, the PC vs the smartphone… Time and time again, the forces driving the end-user market end up taking over the hrumph hrumph serious computing market. This has already happened with JS vs Java in the “3 billion” space Oracle wants to claim, and I see no reason why it can’t eventually steamroll the *ix world, too, via node.js. Even if you wave a magic wand and get the JVM onto every *ix box — which is currently very much *not* the case — you’re ignoring the Tiobe numbers I posted in the previous reply. There’s plenty to argue about when it comes to Tiobe’s methodology, but not so much that you can scrape together anything like a majority for any single language. I think the real difference we have on this point is that I’m not actually serious when I propose that the whole world rewrite all software in My Favorite Language just to make my job easier. > JavaScript > is on the rise mostly because the interpreters upgrade transparently > and the hassle is somewhat hidden. No, JavaScript is on the rise because the web is on the rise, and it managed to secure the spot as the web’s scripting language through an accident of history. That is all. > Otherwise we would pretty quickly have all of the programs anyone > needs completed. "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement.” — William Thomson, Lord Kelvin, 1900 Yes, *that* Kelvin. > I thought CPAN was approaching that long ago, or at > least getting to the point where the new code you have to write to do > about anything would take about half a page of calls to existing > modules. Ah yes, the ever-near future where everyone will plug a few Lego-like software blocks together and thereby construct any useful program they wish, while lacking any clue about what’s going on. That future’s been 5 years away for the past 5 decades. It’s as likely today as ever — which is to say, “not” — and it isn’t the Fedora development community’s fault that we have not yet achieved this nirvana. Even in electronics, where you have physics to constrain the set of possible realizations, we haven’t even approached this level of nirvana. For every Arduino success story, you have ten stories of cluebies who burned up their H bridge motor driver because they didn’t understand that P=I²R, and that R is almost never zero. (If R is zero, you’re dealing with cryogenics, so all you’ve done is shifted into a different class of cluebie errors that’s more likely to leave said cluebie injured.) Software is “pure thought-stuff,” to quote Fred Brooks. We have very little constraint on the scope and range of things we can create in software. Any attempt to package software up into a usefully-small set of precisely-characterized little black boxes is a Quixotic dream. >> Why even bother with ksh or Bash extensions, for that matter? The original >> Bourne shell achieved Turing-completeness in 1977. There is literally >> nothing we can ask a computer to do that we cannot cause to happen via a >> shell script. (Except run fast.) > > Well, Bourne didn't deal with sockets. BSD Sockets didn’t exist in 1977. In any case, you’re willfully ignoring the nature of *ix type shell script programming. A shell script’s “function library” is the set of all programs in the PATH. Drop nc/ncat/netcat/socat
[CentOS] dovecot move doesn't work
I'm running centos 6.6 with the default 2.0.9-xxx dovecot. I run sa-learn against my spam_to_learn folder, then I wan to move those emails to a learned_spam folder. when I do a doveadm -Dv move -u user learned_spam mailbox 'spam_to_learn' ALL I get this result: usage: doveadm [-Dv] [-f ] [] altmove [-u |-A] [-S ] auth [-a ] [-x ] [] config [doveconf parameters] director add|flush|map|remove|status dump [-t ] expunge [-u |-A] [-S ] fetch[-u |-A] [-S ] force-resync [-u |-A] [-S ] help import [-u |-A] [-S ] kick [-a ] [-f] [|] log find|reopen|test mailbox create|delete|list|mutf7|rename|status|subscribe|unsubscribe penalty [-a ] [] purge[-u |-A] [-S ] pw [-l] [-p plaintext] [-r rounds] [-s scheme] [-u user] [-V] reload search [-u |-A] [-S ] sis deduplicate|find stop user [-a ] [-x ] [...] who [-a ] [-1] [] [] this doesn't even list a move command, yet the dovecot pages show it and give examples. any suggestions? thanks, -chuck -- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?
On 01/06/2015 12:03 PM, Liam O'Toole wrote: > Thanks for all that. My contribution was in response to the question "Is > there some official communication channel between the CentOS Project and > Red Hat?" I should have trimmed more carefully and saved you some > keystrokes. Nope. We're still air-gapped from the RHEL business units. We have lines of communication to other RH community projects, but nothing that would line up with this thread. -- Jim Perrin The CentOS Project | http://www.centos.org twitter: @BitIntegrity | GPG Key: FA09AD77 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Design changes are done in Fedora
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > Docker will eat away at this problem going forward. You naturally will not > already have Dockerized versions of apps built 10 years ago, and it may not > be practical to create them now, but you can start insisting on getting them > today so that your future OS changes don’t break things for you again. > Yes, it is just sad that it is necessary to isolate your work from the disruptive nature of the OS distribution. But it is becoming clearly necessary. >> I built a >> CentOS7 to match my old CentOS5 pair. It can do the same thing, but >> there is no way to make them actively cluster together so the new one >> is aware of the outstanding leases at cutover or to have the ability >> to revert if the new one introduces problems. > > I believe that was ISC’s fault, not Red Hat’s. Agreed - and some of the value of Red Hat shows in the fact that the breakage is not packaged into a mid-rev update. > Perhaps your point is that Red Hat should have either a) continued to > distribute an 8-year-old version of dhcpd with EL7 [1], or b) somehow given > you the new features of ISC dhcpd 4.2.5 without breaking anything? If so, I > take this point back up at the end. > Maybe document how you were supposed to deal with the situation, keeping your lease history intact and the ability to fail over during the transition. My point here is that there are people using RHEL that care about this sort of thing, but the system design is done in Fedora where I'm convinced that no one actually manages any machines doing jobs that matter or cares what the change might break. That is, the RHEL/Fedora split divided the community that originally built RH into people who need to maintain working systems and people who just want change. And they let the ones who want change design the next release. >> And those things >> span much longer that 10 years. If you are very young you might not >> understand that. > > My first look at the Internet was on a VT102. I refer not to a terminal > emulator, but to something that crushes metatarsals if you drop it on your > foot. > > I think I’ve got enough gray in my beard to hold my own in this conversation. So, after you've spent at least 10 years rolling out machines to do things as fast as you can, and teaching the others in your organization to spell 'chkconfig' and use 'system ...' commands, wouldn't you rather continue to be productive and do more instead of having to start over and re-do the same set of things over again just to keep the old stuff working? >> But if >> numbers impress you, if you count android/Dalvik which is close enough >> to be the stuff of lawsuits, there's probably more instances of >> running programs than anything else. > > There are more JavaScript interpreters in the world than Dalvik, ART,[2] and > Java ® VMs combined. Perhaps we should rewrite everything in JavaScript > instead? > I'm counting the running/useful instances of actual program code, not the interpreters that might be able to run something. But JavaScript is on the rise mostly because the interpreters upgrade transparently and the hassle is somewhat hidden. > If we consider only the *ix world, there are more Bourne-compatible shell > script interpreters than Perl, Python, or Ruby interpreters. Why did anyone > bother to create these other languages, and why do we spend time maintaining > these environments and writing programs for them? We spend time 'maintaining' because the OS underneath churns. Otherwise we would pretty quickly have all of the programs anyone needs completed. I thought CPAN was approaching that long ago, or at least getting to the point where the new code you have to write to do about anything would take about half a page of calls to existing modules. > Why even bother with ksh or Bash extensions, for that matter? The original > Bourne shell achieved Turing-completeness in 1977. There is literally > nothing we can ask a computer to do that we cannot cause to happen via a > shell script. (Except run fast.) Well, Bourne didn't deal with sockets. My opinion is that you'd be better off switching to perl at the first hint of needing arrays/sockets or any library modules that already exist in CPAN instead of extending a shell beyond the basic shell-ish stuff. But nobody asked me about that. > If you think I’m wrong about that, you probably didn’t ever use sharchives. Of course I used sharchives - and I value the fact that (unlike most other languages) things written in Bourne-compatible shell syntax at any time in the past will still run, and fairly portably - except perhaps for the plethora of external commands that were normally needed. Perl doesn't have quite as long a history but is just about as good at backwards compatibility. With the exception of interpolating @ in double-quoted strings starting around version 5, pretty much anything you ever wrote in perl will still work.
Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?
On 2015-01-06, Johnny Hughes wrote: > This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) > --===4697670779706124595== Content-Type: multipart/signed; > micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; > boundary="MBFscW2dH0g022mxj8O937qiaWFFIRB5O" > > This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) > --MBFscW2dH0g022mxj8O937qiaWFFIRB5O Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On 01/06/2015 04:25 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote: >> On 2015-01-06, Somers-Harris, David | David | OPS >> wrote: 1. Blatant screen scraping is a violation of the terms of service for RHN .. so where is a SOURCE of information for something like this: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2014-2024.html If you read this: https://access.redhat.com/help/terms/ then, one can not just grab all the info on that errata page and distribute it .. which is why we LINK to it and not distribute it currently. So, the first issue is that one must find a source for the information that would go into the 'updateinfo.xml' file that is always maintained and is available to read and to redistribute. 2. If someone comes up with a place to get said data, THEN we could properly publish that data in some way. Thanks, Johnny Hughes >>> >>> Can't we just ask Red Hat if it's OK for CentOS to use the data for >>> its updateinfo.xml? Is there some official communication channel >>> between the CentOS Project and Red Hat? >>=20 Maybe you missed the big announcement: =20 >>http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.h= > tml >>=20 > > Sure, but they aren't likely to let us. > > The purpose of CentOS within the Red Hat ecosystem is explained here: > > http://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/ > > CentOS is open source, so you can use it however you want and for what > ever you are comfortable using it for .. however, giving special > dispensation to violate terms of service of RHN to make CentOS more > usable than it already is in the enterprise is not high on their > priority list. > > They are not taking any action to make it in any way less usable, but > they are also not going to do anything to make it easier either. > > What we need is a way to get that info from another place. > > Maybe the oval data, if it has all the required information and if the > Terms of Service allow for that. > > Someone in the Community needs to research that and see if it is > usable or if there is some other source for the information that can > then be modified to create the updateinfo.xml file. > Thanks for all that. My contribution was in response to the question "Is there some official communication channel between the CentOS Project and Red Hat?" I should have trimmed more carefully and saved you some keystrokes. -- Liam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Radeon graphics problems with CentOS 6.6
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > On 01/05/2015 11:26 PM, John R Pierce wrote: >> On 1/5/2015 9:24 PM, Darby Vicker wrote: >>> He is suggesting I get in touch with the people who maintain the >>> CentOS kernel. >> >> that would be Red Hat, unless you're talking about the CentOS Plus >> kernel > This is correct .. we rebuild the RHEL 6.6 kernel source code as is, if > this is a kernel problem, we don't change it. > > But .. IF the kernel does NEED a change, then the CentOSPlus kernel > would be the place where we have the ability to add patches and change > something. We don't change the base OS kernel except to remove branding. > > AKemi Yagi is our CentOS Plus maintainer, and bug/patch requests can be > entered here: > > http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=4586 Actually, I ask that people open a new ticket for each request. :) Akemi ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Radeon graphics problems with CentOS 6.6
On 01/05/2015 11:26 PM, John R Pierce wrote: > On 1/5/2015 9:24 PM, Darby Vicker wrote: >> He is suggesting I get in touch with the people who maintain the >> CentOS kernel. > > that would be Red Hat, unless you're talking about the CentOS Plus > kernel > > > This is correct .. we rebuild the RHEL 6.6 kernel source code as is, if this is a kernel problem, we don't change it. But .. IF the kernel does NEED a change, then the CentOSPlus kernel would be the place where we have the ability to add patches and change something. We don't change the base OS kernel except to remove branding. AKemi Yagi is our CentOS Plus maintainer, and bug/patch requests can be entered here: http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=4586 But, we do not provide technical support .. we have a community forum and bugs system to allow the community to discuss and solve problems. We will try/roll in patches (into CentOS Plus kernel) to try and fix problems if a solution is proposed by the community. However, we don't do the research or development. What I am trying to convey is that CentOS rebuilds upstream source code and provides resources for the community to solve their own problems. CentOS does not provide SLA level support. That is what RHEL is for. We will be glad to help the community find the problem, and feed back the fix upstream to Red Hat so they can fix it in RHEL and then we can roll it into our main OS kernel. And we will provide a temporary fix in the CentOS Plus kernel. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] reboot - is there a timeout on filesystem flush?
I've had a few systems with a lot of RAM and very busy filesystems come up with filesystem errors that took a manual 'fsck -y' after what should have been a clean reboot. This is particularly annoying on remote systems where I have to talk someone else through the recovery. Is there some time limit on the cache write with a 'reboot' (no options) command or is ext4 that fragile? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?
On 01/05/2015 04:37 PM, Johnny Hughes wrote: > 2. If someone comes up with a place to get said data, THEN we could > properly publish that data in some way. get it, then validate it, then we can push it as known correct. -- Karanbir Singh +44-207-0999389 | http://www.karan.org/ | twitter.com/kbsingh GnuPG Key : http://www.karan.org/publickey.asc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?
On 01/06/2015 04:25 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On 2015-01-06, Somers-Harris, David | David | OPS > wrote: >>> 1. Blatant screen scraping is a violation of the terms of service >>> for RHN .. so where is a SOURCE of information for something like >>> this: >>> >>> https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2014-2024.html >>> >>> If you read this: https://access.redhat.com/help/terms/ >>> >>> then, one can not just grab all the info on that errata page and >>> distribute it .. which is why we LINK to it and not distribute it >>> currently. >>> >>> So, the first issue is that one must find a source for the >>> information that would go into the 'updateinfo.xml' file that is >>> always maintained and is available to read and to redistribute. >>> >>> 2. If someone comes up with a place to get said data, THEN we could >>> properly publish that data in some way. >>> >>> Thanks, Johnny Hughes >> >> Can't we just ask Red Hat if it's OK for CentOS to use the data for >> its updateinfo.xml? Is there some official communication channel >> between the CentOS Project and Red Hat? > > Maybe you missed the big announcement: > > http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html > Sure, but they aren't likely to let us. The purpose of CentOS within the Red Hat ecosystem is explained here: http://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/ CentOS is open source, so you can use it however you want and for what ever you are comfortable using it for .. however, giving special dispensation to violate terms of service of RHN to make CentOS more usable than it already is in the enterprise is not high on their priority list. They are not taking any action to make it in any way less usable, but they are also not going to do anything to make it easier either. What we need is a way to get that info from another place. Maybe the oval data, if it has all the required information and if the Terms of Service allow for that. Someone in the Community needs to research that and see if it is usable or if there is some other source for the information that can then be modified to create the updateinfo.xml file. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Radeon graphics problems with CentOS 6.6
> -Original Message- > From: Darby Vicker [mailto:darby.vic...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 12:24 AM > To: centos@centos.org > Subject: Re: [CentOS] Radeon graphics problems with CentOS 6.6 > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Darby Vicker wrote: > > On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Darby Vicker wrote: > >> > >> I thought about trying centos 7. But in the end that doesn't really > >> help me since I'm trying to keep my current centos 6 installation > >> working. I don't really have the time/energy to reinstall everyting > >> under CentOS 7 right now. > >> > >> I was able to get a 6.6 LiveCD built myself. The liveCD has the same > >> problem - X doesn't work. I can boot the "Basic Video" option from the > >> LiveCD and I can at least get to the desktop but there are several odd > >> video problems when I do that. But I think that means that there is a > >> genuine problem with Xorg on my hardware. Does anyone know who I should > >> submit this bug to - AMD or Xorg? > >> > >> Any other ideas for workarounds in the mean time? > >> > > > > The xorg ati developer doesn't think it's a driver problem. > > > > http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-driver-ati/2014-December/026948.html > > > > Any other ideas for tracking this down? > > After a little more conversation with the ati developer, he thinks its > a problem with the kernel. > > http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-driver-ati/2015-January/026986.html > > He is suggesting I get in touch with the people who maintain the > CentOS kernel. What is the best way to do this? Submit a bug on > https://bugs.centos.org? Two things I think you should consider doing... 1) in your next post (and any bugs you open), include the `uname -a` of the last known to work correctly CentOS/RHEL kernel, and the `uname -a` of the first known to not work correctly CentOS/RHEL kernel and the respective versions of radeon &| flrgx drivers. 2) try out elrepo's el6 kernel-lt & kernel-ml and see if they work correctly for you. I suggest this, because for me it did workaround an issue with intel chips (I guess I need to see what it will take to get the elrepo folks to make just a back-ported intel driver from 3.17 [first known to work again, 3.16 does not]) . http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2014-November/147579.html Even when this disclaimer is not here: I am not a contracting officer. I do not have authority to make or modify the terms of any contract. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Hardware raid LSI Megaraid not working since Centos 6.6
Le 06/01/2015 10:36, Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE a écrit : Anyway, I will try to update firmware. I have updated firmware to version 12.15.0-0205. The problem remains :-( -- Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE AIME - Campus de l'INSA http://www.aime-toulouse.fr/ 135 av. de Rangueil Tél +33 561 559 885 31077 TOULOUSE Cedex 4 - FRANCE Fax +33 561 559 870 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
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1. CEBA-2015:0002 CentOS 6 autofs BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes)
2. CEBA-2015:0006 CentOS 5 nss_db BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes)
3. CEBA-2015:0003 CentOS 6 dovecot BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes)
4. CEBA-2015:0005 CentOS 6 gdbm FASTTRACK BugFix Update
(Johnny Hughes)
5. CEBA-2015:0007 CentOS 7 mariadb BugFix Update (Johnny Hughes)
6. Improvements in the docker registry for CentOS (Jim Perrin)
7. CESA-2015:0008 Low CentOS 7 libvirt Security Update
(Johnny Hughes)
8. Infra - CentOS hardware move [cbs] (Fabian Arrotin)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:54:59 +
From: Johnny Hughes
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2015:0002 CentOS 6 autofs BugFix
Update
Message-ID: <20150105115459.ga34...@n04.lon1.karan.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2015:0002
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2015-0002.html
The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename )
i386:
791e92b38ed363ee16ccb14e67886fa043fc61b78410e5458d8850aac0eb38e9
autofs-5.0.5-109.el6_6.1.i686.rpm
x86_64:
7bcd267ca01b2c066570f94f1995abe4914e3f200b01163904e6206776a78319
autofs-5.0.5-109.el6_6.1.x86_64.rpm
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autofs-5.0.5-109.el6_6.1.src.rpm
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:44:01 +
From: Johnny Hughes
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2015:0006 CentOS 5 nss_db BugFix
Update
Message-ID: <20150105114401.ga20...@chakra.karan.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2015:0006
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2015-0006.html
The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors: ( sha256sum Filename )
i386:
b321179fd1a8daee28d28f2f13bd60effb39cf1cdf4304eedef58b78a0eb4eef
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:55:44 +
From: Johnny Hughes
To: centos-annou...@centos.org
Subject: [CentOS-announce] CEBA-2015:0003 CentOS 6 dovecot BugFix
Update
Message-ID: <20150105115544.ga34...@n04.lon1.karan.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
CentOS Errata and Bugfix Advisory 2015:0003
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2015-0003.html
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i386:
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Re: [CentOS] Hardware raid LSI Megaraid not working since Centos 6.6
On 06/01/2015 09:36, Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE wrote: Thank you for your help. Le 05/01/2015 19:10, John R Pierce a écrit : works here fine on the 9261, which is an OEM version of the same card with the connectors in a different orientation... you might check your LSI firmware revision. My firmware seems to be more up to date. Anyway, I will try to update firmware. I have to check how to do that. # dmesg |grep LSI scsi4 : LSI SAS based MegaRAID driver scsi 4:2:0:0: Direct-Access LSI MR9260-4i2.13 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 # /opt/MegaRAID/MegaCli/MegaCli64 -ShowSummary -aAll System Operating System: Linux version 2.6.32-431.29.2.el6.x86_64 Driver Version: 06.700.06.00-rh1 CLI Version: 8.07.14 Hardware Controller ProductName : LSI MegaRAID SAS 9260-4i(Bus 0, Dev 0) SAS Address : 500605b008a30fc0 FW Package Version: 12.14.0-0167 Status: Optimal BBU BBU Type : iBBU Status: Healthy Enclosure Product Id: SGPIO Type : SGPIO Status: OK . . . For info: # /opt/MegaRAID/MegaCli/MegaCli64 -ShowSummary -aAll System Operating System: Linux version 2.6.32-504.3.3.el6.x86_64 Driver Version: 06.803.01.00-rh1 CLI Version: 8.04.07 Hardware Controller ProductName : LSI MegaRAID SAS 9260-4i(Bus 0, Dev 0) SAS Address : 500605b0048274e0 FW Package Version: 12.15.0-0189 Status: Optimal BBU BBU Type : iBBU08 Status: Healthy Enclosure Product Id: SGPIO Type : SGPIO Status: OK -- Regards, Giles Coochey, CCNP, CCNA, CCNAS NetSecSpec Ltd +44 (0) 8444 780677 +44 (0) 7584 634135 http://www.coochey.net http://www.netsecspec.co.uk gi...@coochey.net ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS Publish Errata?
On 2015-01-06, Somers-Harris, David | David | OPS wrote: >> 1. Blatant screen scraping is a violation of the terms of service >> for RHN .. so where is a SOURCE of information for something like >> this: >> >> https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2014-2024.html >> >> If you read this: https://access.redhat.com/help/terms/ >> >> then, one can not just grab all the info on that errata page and >> distribute it .. which is why we LINK to it and not distribute it >> currently. >> >> So, the first issue is that one must find a source for the >> information that would go into the 'updateinfo.xml' file that is >> always maintained and is available to read and to redistribute. >> >> 2. If someone comes up with a place to get said data, THEN we could >> properly publish that data in some way. >> >> Thanks, Johnny Hughes > > Can't we just ask Red Hat if it's OK for CentOS to use the data for > its updateinfo.xml? Is there some official communication channel > between the CentOS Project and Red Hat? Maybe you missed the big announcement: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html -- Liam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Hardware raid LSI Megaraid not working since Centos 6.6
Thank you for your help. Le 05/01/2015 19:10, John R Pierce a écrit : works here fine on the 9261, which is an OEM version of the same card with the connectors in a different orientation... you might check your LSI firmware revision. My firmware seems to be more up to date. Anyway, I will try to update firmware. I have to check how to do that. # dmesg |grep LSI scsi4 : LSI SAS based MegaRAID driver scsi 4:2:0:0: Direct-Access LSI MR9260-4i2.13 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 # /opt/MegaRAID/MegaCli/MegaCli64 -ShowSummary -aAll System Operating System: Linux version 2.6.32-431.29.2.el6.x86_64 Driver Version: 06.700.06.00-rh1 CLI Version: 8.07.14 Hardware Controller ProductName : LSI MegaRAID SAS 9260-4i(Bus 0, Dev 0) SAS Address : 500605b008a30fc0 FW Package Version: 12.14.0-0167 Status: Optimal BBU BBU Type : iBBU Status: Healthy Enclosure Product Id: SGPIO Type : SGPIO Status: OK . . . -- Philippe BOURDEU d'AGUERRE AIME - Campus de l'INSA http://www.aime-toulouse.fr/ 135 av. de Rangueil Tél +33 561 559 885 31077 TOULOUSE Cedex 4 - FRANCE Fax +33 561 559 870 ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
