Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

[Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS]

On 13.12.2020 11:48, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>> And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
>> trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
>> endorsement".
> 
> 
> Exactly.  That's why it's so weird that those people, today, think that 
> CentOS Stream won't be usable, based on their interpretation of the 
> official statements from Red Hat.  Red Hat's statements weren't taken 
> into consideration before, but now they're a sign of doom?

Who exactly said "doom"?

CentOS Stream won't match corresponding stable RHEL version, that's all. 
While CentOS was matching it, it was stable enough to use it safely on 
production.

Now that it becomes constant beta, it might be considered less stable, 
all the compatibility arguments have been uttered many a time.

Doom or no doom, everyone decides for oneself.

The primary problem is breach of trust. All the other consequences are 
mostly technical.

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Re: [CentOS] I'm looking forward to the future of CentOS Stream

[Gordon Messmer]

On 12/11/20 9:56 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:

And I will repeat that millions of CentOS users found free clone of RHEL
trustworthy enough to use it for production, even without "official
endorsement".



Exactly.  That's why it's so weird that those people, today, think that 
CentOS Stream won't be usable, based on their interpretation of the 
official statements from Red Hat.  Red Hat's statements weren't taken 
into consideration before, but now they're a sign of doom?




If they ... even allowed ANYONE ELSE that was not employed by Red Hat in
2014 to even come close to learning the secrets of rebuild, no backlash
would have happened



I'm going to stop you there, because the CentOS maintainers kept that 
process out of public visibility long before Red Hat was ever involved.  
If you think users should know more about the process, then you are 
pointing fingers at the *wrong* people.


I don't want this to become a flame war.  So rather than pointing 
fingers, let's focus on the fact that CentOS Stream promises to be 
developed in the open, resolving the problem that you're describing.


Red Hat is fixing the thing you're complaining about.

Red Hat is giving us the thing that has been requested more often, by 
more people, than any other change in CentOS, and the result is that the 
press is full of stories about users being angry, because five people on 
the mailing lists sent a lot of messages.  (About half of the traffic in 
the threads on centos and centos-devel comes from five people, and 
various people replying to them.)




But no, as soon as Oracle started rebuilding RHEL source code Red Hat
first made things difficult for everyone to create kernels (source code
was not srpms anymore but tar?)



You're misinformed.  Kernels are still built from SRPM, but the archive 
used is no longer an upstream release with a series of patches.


The reason for the change is not insidious.  It's unfortunate that the 
pristine source + patches can't be maintained, I agree, but speaking as 
a developer: maintaining hundreds of patches that touch intersecting 
files and rebasing them all when earlier patches are updated is an 
incredibly difficult and time consuming task.  And, if I remember 
correctly, applying all of those patches took almost as long as building 
the kernel.  If it takes that long to just prepare the source code, 
that's a major hit to productivity when a developer needs to work on the 
code or build the SRPM to validate changes.


And, ultimately, there's very little value in shipping those patches 
when the vast majority of them are already in the current version of the 
upstream kernel, and they're merely backported to the older release that 
Red Hat supports.  It's an entirely different story when distributions 
are shipping patches that they don't push upstream, but that's not 
generally what you see with the kernel package.



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[CentOS] Oracle Linux 8 - short experiment with install and basic setup of Mate Desktop

[Frank Cox]

So after reading other folks' opinions of an Oracle Linux 8 (thanks again, 
Nicolas!) trial installation, I decided to crank up a Virtual Box session and 
try an install myself.

As others have stated, what you get when you install OL8 is identical in every 
way to what you see when installing Centos 8; literally the only difference is 
the logo and the default desktop background.   There are no demands for 
registration or anything else when you install OL8.  It's exactly the same 
experience as installing Centos 8.

Since I use Mate on my computers (installed from 
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/stenstorp/MATE/ ) I immediately decided 
to see if I can get that going.

I ran into two small issues, both easily dealt with.

First, the PowerTools repo doesn't seem to exist under that name on OL8.  It's 
called ol8_codeready_builder, for some reason. "dnf-config-manager 
--set-enabled ol8_codeready_builder" works fine and gets us where we need to be.

A slightly more serious issue is that the oracle-epel, found through the rpm 
named oracle-epel-release-el8, appears to be less complete that the original 
Fedora epel found at 
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/epel-release-latest-8.noarch.rpm.  Mate 
requires ImageMagick as a dependency for caja-image-converter and if you have 
oracle-epel installed it can't find ImageMagick.

The solution (at least the solution that I used, which worked) is just to 
delete the oracle-epel-release-el8 rpm and install epel-release-latest-8 rpm 
instead.

Then the Mate desktop can be installed on OL8 from the copr rpms listed above.

Ultimately, the take-away here seems to be that if you decide to use OL8 
instead of Centos 8 you'll be better advised to stick with "real" epel and not 
the oracle epel since there appears to be at least some stuff missing on the 
oracle epel.

After I jumped through those minor hoops, what I ended up with was an Oracle 
Linux 8 installation with a Mate desktop and literally everything looks and 
works identical to what I already have with Centos 8.

(An issue that I haven't seen anyone address yet is this.  It's my 
understanding that epel builds their stuff on the current RHEL.  Therefore the 
upcoming Centos Stream might get out-of-sync with whatever epel is building on 
at any given point in time.)

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Konstantin Boyandin via CentOS]

On 13.12.2020 03:50, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 12/12/20 4:43 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
>> Am 12.12.20 um 04:11 schrieb Yves Bellefeuille:
>>> "John R. Dennison"  wrote:
>>>
    Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
    children's table during a pandemic.
 >>
>> What about the small businesses that in this times suffer very much,
>> being forced to pay licenses will kill them ... I have a client that
>> moved from IBMCloud/RedHat to AWS/CentOS to survive this times.
>> (BTW: I suggest initially to use RHEL!) What do imagine who will be
>> killed when they receive the message that they should plan some budgets
>> for new licenses ...
> 
> Hi.
> Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
> preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
> And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
> there will still be support for CentOS Linux 8 for next 12 months,
> enough to chose your exit strategy smartly and without emotions.

Which brings further thoughts. I was creating replacements for CentOS 6 
based systems, obviously beginning with CentOS 8.

CentOS 7 looks less clumsy than CentOS 8, but it only receives 
maintenance updates now. Still 4 years ahead look better than one year 
with CentOS 8.

My only concern ATM is whether RH can change its CentOS 7 maintenance 
plans as well, all of a sudden.

(if I change Linux distribution later to another RHEL clone, it most 
probably would mean complete re-install anyway)

"Choose now, Neo!"

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[John R. Dennison]

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 01:40:58AM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> They only do not have DVD ISO, but they have "network" CD ISO for 8.1,
> and they have boot.iso for 8.3 for install over internet.

Ahh.  Good to know.  Thanks to both you and Leon Fauster for correcting
me on this.




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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Ljubomir Ljubojevic]

They only do not have DVD ISO, but they have "network" CD ISO for 8.1,
and they have boot.iso for 8.3 for install over internet.

On 12/12/20 9:55 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>> Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
>> preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
>> And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
>> there will still be support for CentOS Linux 8 for next 12 months,
>> enough to chose your exit strategy smartly and without emotions.
> 
> Springdale does not at present have an EL8 release to the best of my
> knowledge.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Simon Avery]

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 at 23:55, edward via CentOS  wrote:

appears facebook is running centos stream and also helping developing
> centos.


 A small but important point of order on that statement, based on the
article you link;

"an operating system they derive from CentOS Stream. "

So Stream is the starting point which Facebook then does "facebook things"
to and forms their own in-house distro. They're not running Stream.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[edward via CentOS]

hi,

appears facebook is running centos stream and also helping developing 
centos.   not sure if the following article has already been seen:

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux

On 12/12/2020 :43 AM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:

Am 12.12.20 um 04:11 schrieb Yves Bellefeuille:

"John R. Dennison"  wrote:


  Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
  children's table during a pandemic.


Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has anything to do with the
pandemic; nobody even mentioned the pandemic, except you.



While we are on pandemic, a complete different point here now.
( its already being said, but it occupies us still mentally )

What about the small businesses that in this times suffer very much,
being forced to pay licenses will kill them ... I have a client that 
moved from IBMCloud/RedHat to AWS/CentOS to survive this times.
(BTW: I suggest initially to use RHEL!) What do imagine who will be 
killed when they receive the message that they should plan some 
budgets for new licenses ...


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 12.12.20 um 21:55 schrieb John R. Dennison:

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:


Hi.
Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
there will still be support for CentOS Linux 8 for next 12 months,
enough to chose your exit strategy smartly and without emotions.


Springdale does not at present have an EL8 release to the best of my
knowledge. 


I was also confused at the beginning taking a look at it but they have a 
current EL8.3 branch - a tested migration path look like this:



curl -O 
"https://springdale.math.ias.edu/data/puias/7/x86_64/os/RPM-GPG-KEY-puias";


rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEY-puias

curl -O 
"https://springdale.math.ias.edu/data/puias/8/x86_64/os/BaseOS/Packages/springdale-release-8.3-0.42.el8.x86_64.rpm";


curl -O 
"https://springdale.math.ias.edu/data/puias/8/x86_64/os/BaseOS/Packages/springdale-appstream-8-0.sdl8.2.noarch.rpm";


curl -O 
"https://springdale.math.ias.edu/data/puias/8/x86_64/os/BaseOS/Packages/springdale-core-8-0.sdl8.2.noarch.rpm";


rpm -K springdale-* |grep "digests signatures OK"

rpm --nodeps -ev centos-linux-release-8.3-1.2011.el8.noarch 
centos-linux-repos-8-2.el8.noarch


yum --releasever 8 localinstall spring*

yum clean all

yum distrosync

reboot

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:50:07PM +0100, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
> preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
> And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
> there will still be support for CentOS Linux 8 for next 12 months,
> enough to chose your exit strategy smartly and without emotions.

Springdale does not at present have an EL8 release to the best of my
knowledge.





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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Ljubomir Ljubojevic]

On 12/12/20 4:43 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
> Am 12.12.20 um 04:11 schrieb Yves Bellefeuille:
>> "John R. Dennison"  wrote:
>>
>>>   Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
>>>   children's table during a pandemic.
>>
>> Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has anything to do with the
>> pandemic; nobody even mentioned the pandemic, except you.
>>
> 
> While we are on pandemic, a complete different point here now.
> ( its already being said, but it occupies us still mentally )
> 
> What about the small businesses that in this times suffer very much,
> being forced to pay licenses will kill them ... I have a client that
> moved from IBMCloud/RedHat to AWS/CentOS to survive this times.
> (BTW: I suggest initially to use RHEL!) What do imagine who will be
> killed when they receive the message that they should plan some budgets
> for new licenses ...

Hi.
Springdale Linux, RHEL clone already exists. Rocky Linux clone is in
preparation, and CloudLinux plans to publish RHEL clone also.
And notice that CentOS Linux 7 will be supported until EOL in 2024 and
there will still be support for CentOS Linux 8 for next 12 months,
enough to chose your exit strategy smartly and without emotions.

> 
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Re: [CentOS] Fix for CVE-2020-1971 on CentOS 6.10

[John R. Dennison]

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 08:20:04PM +0100, Simon Matter wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Attached patches:
> openssl.spec.patch.gz
> openssl-1.0.1e-cve-2020-1971.patch.gz
> 
> Please let me know if you find any issues.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Lamar Owen]

On 12/11/20 9:51 PM, Yves Bellefeuille wrote:

I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends.
Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping
CentOS the way it was. :-(
This boggles the mind.  OF COURSE their salary should realistically be 
more important to them than keeping CentOS the way it was; how strong of 
a disagreement with your employer is your salary worth?


However, reading between the lines, with Red Hat's internal developers 
directly working with CentOS Stream beginning 1Q 2021, and CentOS 7 
ending support in 2024, I have to wonder a little what the long-term 
employment of those building CentOS looks like, specifically post-CentOS 
7 EOL.  Of course, it's not really any of my business, to be honest, but 
the CentOS developers are all very bright and highly skilled, so they 
are very employable, whether at Red Hat or elsewhere.


Given what's already been posted to the lists, it seems to me that the 
CentOS Board was able to obtain some concessions; I will likely never 
know what those were, nor is it really any of my business what they 
were, but I thank the CentOS Board for doing what they could.


And I thank all those who have built and continue to build CentOS; I've 
had a relatively small exposure to what building and distributing 
packages is like, a few years back (well, 1999 to 2004), and 
user-entitlement-syndrome is part of the reason I won't do that any more 
(my wife's health was the primary reason I stopped, though; priorities 
are priorities!).

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[CentOS] Fix for CVE-2020-1971 on CentOS 6.10

[Simon Matter]

Hi,

While many of us were busy lately with upgrading CentOS 6 systems to
CentOS 8, a lot of systems may still be running CentOS 6 and migrations
came to a halt this week with the announcement of RedHats new direction
for the CentOS project.

Since security updates for CentOS 6 are not provided anymore, I've decided
to try my best to address CVE-2020-1971 and I welcome others to do the
same for this and other new issues which may come up.

Attached patches:
openssl.spec.patch.gz
openssl-1.0.1e-cve-2020-1971.patch.gz

Please let me know if you find any issues.

Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

[Frank Cox]

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 18:29:08 +0100
Nicolas Kovacs wrote:

> Here's my take on it:
> 
> https://blog.microlinux.fr/migration-centos-oracle-linux/

That's a really excellent article, Nicholas.

Thanks ever so much for posting about your experience.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS Digest, Vol 191, Issue 12

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Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2020, at 07:00, centos-requ...@centos.org wrote:
> 
> Message: 51
> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 13:15:43 -0800
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> Subject: [CentOS] Baffled by firewall rules with a Qemu VM, CentOS 7
> Message-ID: <212.izaskd2...@tesla.effortlessis.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I've understood iptables well enough for a long, long time, and although I 
> think firewall-cmd is a poor replacement for iptables, I've always been able 
> to 
> "get it to work" by comparing output with iptables -L or iptables -S and 
> using 
> a direct-rule or two. 
> 
> And this time, I'm just baffled. 
> 
> I have a qemu VM running on a host. Postgresql runs on the host, and I'm  
> trying to connect to the Postgresql server on the host from the VM. 
> 
> VM: loco 
> Host: tesla 
> 
> 1) If I turn OFF the firewall on tesla, I have no trouble connecting from 
> loco. 
> tesla: systemctl stop firewalld 
> loco: psql -U postgres -h 192.168.122.1 # yay! connection! 
> 
> 2) If I turn ON the firewall on tesla, I can't connect NO MATTER WHAT I DO
> tesla: systemctl start firewalld; 
> loco: psql -U postgres -h 192.168.122.1 # Connection refused
> 
> 
> I have tried: 
> tesla# firewall-cmd --zone=public --add-port=5432/tcp
> tesla# firewall-cmd  --add-service=postgresql
> tesla# firewall-cmd --set-default-zone=trusted;
> tesla# firewall-cmd --direct --add-rule ipv4 filter LIBVIRT_FWI 0  -j ACCEPT
> tesla# firewall-cmd --direct --add-rule ipv4 filter LIBVIRT_FWO 0  -j ACCEPT
> tesla# firewall-cmd --direct --add-rule ipv4 filter LIBVIRT_FWX 0  -j ACCEPT
> 
> ... and many more things. Literally stumped for a few hours. The output of 
> iptables indicates that I've wildcarded everything: 
> 
> tesla# iptables -S 
> -P INPUT ACCEPT
> -P FORWARD ACCEPT
> -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
> -N LIBVIRT_FWI
> -N LIBVIRT_FWO
> -N LIBVIRT_FWX
> -N LIBVIRT_INP
> -N LIBVIRT_OUT
> -A INPUT -j LIBVIRT_INP
> -A FORWARD -j LIBVIRT_FWX
> -A FORWARD -j LIBVIRT_FWI
> -A FORWARD -j LIBVIRT_FWO
> -A OUTPUT -j LIBVIRT_OUT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWI -d 192.168.122.0/24 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWI -i virbr0 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWI -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWI -d 192.168.122.0/24 -o virbr0 -m conntrack --ctstate 
> RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWI -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
> -A LIBVIRT_FWO -i virbr0 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWO -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWO -s 192.168.122.0/24 -i virbr0 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWO -i virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
> -A LIBVIRT_FWX -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_FWX -i virbr0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_INP -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_INP -i virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_INP -i virbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_INP -i virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 67 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_INP -i virbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 67 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_OUT -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_OUT -o virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_OUT -o virbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_OUT -o virbr0 -p udp -m udp --dport 68 -j ACCEPT
> -A LIBVIRT_OUT -o virbr0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 68 -j ACCEPT
> 
> There are no REJECT rules not preceded by a wildcard ACCEPT, but I can't 
> connect with this config. But simply stopping host (tesla) firewalld allows 
> me 
> to connect just fine. 
> 
> Any ideas? 
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Re: [CentOS] Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 08/12/2020 à 18:54, Frank Cox a écrit :
> Is Oracle a real alternative to Centos?  I'm asking because genuinely don't
> know; I've never paid any attention to Oracle's Linux offering before now.

I spent the last three days experimenting with it.

Here's my take on it:

https://blog.microlinux.fr/migration-centos-oracle-linux/

tl;dr: Very nice if you don't have any qualms about the company.

Cheers,

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Re: [CentOS] question centos stream 8 applying updates

[Gionatan Danti]

Il 2020-12-12 15:54 Leon Fauster via CentOS ha scritto:

EOL in 2024!

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-December/352340.html

https://centos.org/distro-faq/#q13-can-i-start-up-a-sig-that-will-maintain-centos-stream-8-after-rhel8-reaches-the-end-of-full-support

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2020-December/075532.html


Thank you so much.

This is quite unfortunate. Let's see if/how well the version upgrade 
system to upgrade from Stream-8 to Stream-9 works.


Regards.

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Re: [CentOS] question centos stream 8 applying updates

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 12.12.20 um 13:40 schrieb Gionatan Danti:

Il 2020-12-11 23:53 Pete Biggs ha scritto:

Somewhere in amongst the vast number of posts, someone said that the
release cadence for point releases was 6 months with the final release
being 8.10 in 2024. After that RHEL 8 goes into maintenance mode and
there will be no more content added to 8-stream (because it had reached
the end of it's useful life as a pre point release distro).


 From what I can read here [1], the latest 8.10 release (due in 2024) 
will be supported for other 5 years, bringing RHEL 8 to the 10 years 
total support we know.


So the question is: will Stream-8 follow the same support cycle? Or any 
Extended life cycle support patch to the RHEL 8.10 release will be 
considered private?


This is a very important question and I sincerely hope someone can answer.
Thanks.



EOL in 2024!

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2020-December/352340.html

https://centos.org/distro-faq/#q13-can-i-start-up-a-sig-that-will-maintain-centos-stream-8-after-rhel8-reaches-the-end-of-full-support

https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2020-December/075532.html

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 12.12.20 um 10:52 schrieb Simon Matter:

I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends.
Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping
CentOS the way it was. :-(


I'm sure they will speak out once they are in position to do so. That's
obviously not now and nobody should blame them for it. They deserve
better!



+1 - some of them have personal blogs ...

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 12.12.20 um 04:11 schrieb Yves Bellefeuille:

"John R. Dennison"  wrote:


  Yes, far be it from people to worry about putting food on their
  children's table during a pandemic.


Oh, please. Nobody suggested this has anything to do with the
pandemic; nobody even mentioned the pandemic, except you.



While we are on pandemic, a complete different point here now.
( its already being said, but it occupies us still mentally )

What about the small businesses that in this times suffer very much,
being forced to pay licenses will kill them ... I have a client that 
moved from IBMCloud/RedHat to AWS/CentOS to survive this times.
(BTW: I suggest initially to use RHEL!) What do imagine who will be 
killed when they receive the message that they should plan some budgets 
for new licenses ...


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Re: [CentOS] question centos stream 8 applying updates

[Gionatan Danti]

Il 2020-12-11 23:53 Pete Biggs ha scritto:

Somewhere in amongst the vast number of posts, someone said that the
release cadence for point releases was 6 months with the final release
being 8.10 in 2024. After that RHEL 8 goes into maintenance mode and
there will be no more content added to 8-stream (because it had reached
the end of it's useful life as a pre point release distro).


From what I can read here [1], the latest 8.10 release (due in 2024) 
will be supported for other 5 years, bringing RHEL 8 to the 10 years 
total support we know.


So the question is: will Stream-8 follow the same support cycle? Or any 
Extended life cycle support patch to the RHEL 8.10 release will be 
considered private?


This is a very important question and I sincerely hope someone can 
answer.

Thanks.

[1] https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 future

[Simon Matter]

> I'm most disappointed with the silence from Karanbir and friends.
> Obviously their Red Hat salary is more important to them than keeping
> CentOS the way it was. :-(

I'm sure they will speak out once they are in position to do so. That's
obviously not now and nobody should blame them for it. They deserve
better!

Simon

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