[CentOS] CentOS as a desktop was Re: Slightly OT
OK ... this is silly CentOS is an Enterprise distro and works great as a workstation. In fact, it is just as good as Ubuntu for a desktop. I would argue that a stable, supported for several year desktop is much better than a distro that upgrades every 6 months. I have found just that. I was introduced to linux a couple of years ago by way of FC5 (known about it for years, always wanted to migrate, dabbled in RH6 about 8 years ago and dropped it). I was supposed to get CentOS 4.4 but got FC5, allegedly -devel. Big mistake, I had it removed and CentOS 4.4 installed after a couple of months. The stability, the lower number of updates, reduced to effective nil dependency hell (provided that I stuck with the repo stuff, and even then many outside stuff) and long-term support was what attracted me. The 6 month treadmill was one of several issues I had; why spend 6 months installing and fighting with a system, only to have to go through the trouble of reinstalling after 6 months and starting again? However getting my new printer (about one year on the market and had it since December 2007) to work on my desktop under 5.2 as well as getting, then keeping keeping wireless on my laptop using a 4 year old PCMCIA card were deal breakers. I currently run 3 computers at home, one on the same box that got the 4.4 a couple of years ago and now upgraded to 4.6. The other two ... I had 4.4 on one and the other is a new acquisition, and installed 5.2 on both, and within a month I had to move to Ubuntu (gg-lee. I will be moving to F9 soon if things work out, Ubuntu is a strange breed that works, with a consumer experience virtually identical to what I had under CentOS with the exception of stuff that works with no trouble and a few nuances, but ... something rubs me the wrong way. Things like the Ubuntu customizations to the Gnome menus and the fact that the default user is defacto root while root is relegated to uselessness (including not being able to log into its own desktop to take advantage of the gui admin tools!) Long and the short of it, I would rather keep up with CentOS, made a rash decision to use Ubuntu 8.06 since it works and has the saving grace of being LTS, and will look into Fedora 9 since I'd rather be running a(n albeit small) Red Hat farm instead of a mostly Ubuntu/Debian farm. I still agree that CentOS is a robust and highly appropriate desktop. Just getting it to do basic things like wireless and printing (forget easily, just at all) need MAJOR work from upstream. Oh well, I don't pay site licences and CentOS strives for 100% binary compatibility ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Getting printer to work under 5.2
Yes on both counts. That's where I was dealing with the parts about the one-dependancy-mentionned-at-a-time part. No luck, hence the reason for uninstalling it and reverting to the yum repository. From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CentOS] Getting printer to work under 5.2 To: CentOS mailing list centos@centos.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Thursday 17 July 2008 04:04, Donald Buchan wrote: I have a standard hplip install on my 5.2 box installed from the repos (it originally was installed from the 5.1 disks and followed any upgrade that may have occured in the transition to 5.2). My printer is a HP Deskjet F4180 connecting via USB. Did you run hp-setup (as root, of course)? Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Getting printer to work under 5.2
Hi I have a standard hplip install on my 5.2 box installed from the repos (it originally was installed from the 5.1 disks and followed any upgrade that may have occured in the transition to 5.2). My printer is a HP Deskjet F4180 connecting via USB. I can't get the printer to work. Documents manually printed from the file menu in OO.o 2.3 stagnate in a print queue, while the print icon produces an unspecified error. The cups daemon is running (it has been stopped and restarted a couple of times, along with a reboot just to be sure even though I knew it likely wouldn't affect things.) The standard hplip was uninstalled, and mannually installed from the HP website, with all dependencies resolved (rather frustrating to go through five dependency installs one at a time since the manual install of hplip only mentions them one at a time. :) ) This still didn't work. The manual install was uninstalled and the standard install from the repos was reinstalled. The OS does seem to detect the printer, at least when it's on; I have turned it on, unplugged it, and plugged it back in and on at least one occasion it was automatically detected. The printer does work; I used an Ubuntu 8.04 live cd and printed a test page straight off the bat without any modifications. Using a Dell P4 2.8 Optiplex (don't quite remember the exact model number ... gotta reboot for that to see the initial screen. :) ) Any ideas? (No, I won't install Hardy Heron, even if it is LTS. :) ) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] centos 5.2 for real this time
I did a yum update last night at about 23h15 EDT (-4). No upgrade. I just did a yum update this morning at about 08h45 (-4). for my system there's about 348 megs of updates. Now all I have to do is figure out how to remove OO.o 2.0.whatever which is being upgraded to 2.3.whatever. I'm using 2.4.1 on my 4.6 boxes (have always been using the latest OO.o on them since installation a couple of years ago.) Any ideas on how to completely remove the OO.o references for Yum, after having tried to do rpm -Uvh *.rpm, after trying again and doing a yum cleanup, etc. etc.? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos 5.2 for real this time
Thanks Johnny, I'll look into it. (Trying to remove the CentOS version, and install the OO.o rpms.) I'll also try Ross' suggestion. (the 5.2 upgrade is still happily chugging along with the downloads at 09h50 (-4), at #145 of 222 downloads.) On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 08:43 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: Donald Buchan wrote: I did a yum update last night at about 23h15 EDT (-4). No upgrade. I just did a yum update this morning at about 08h45 (-4). for my system there's about 348 megs of updates. Now all I have to do is figure out how to remove OO.o 2.0.whatever which is being upgraded to 2.3.whatever. I'm using 2.4.1 on my 4.6 boxes (have always been using the latest OO.o on them since installation a couple of years ago.) Any ideas on how to completely remove the OO.o references for Yum, after having tried to do rpm -Uvh *.rpm, after trying again and doing a yum cleanup, etc. etc.? If you where using the centos versions this will happen for you with a normal upgrade with no issues. If you are using the OpenOffice.org versions and if you want to shift back to the centos version, then just: rpm -e openoffice-\* then (all one line) yum install openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-graphicfilter openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-xsltfilter openoffice.org-base Thanks, Johnny Hughes ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] centos 5.2 for real this time
Just reread your message. I was still having problems with the 2.0 centos version coming back even though I'd removed it. I tried Ross' suggesting, it removed things successfully (for both 2.0.whatever and 2.4.1.) But the new 2.4.1 won't install because package jre-1.6.0_04-fcs is already installed. Grrr. I'm tempted to keep the 2.3 version that comes with the 5.2 upgrade, I didn't notice any difference between 2.3 and 2.4, and I won't have to constantly upgrade every time there's a latest greatest OO.o ... (Seems that's why I like CentOS to begin with!) On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 08:43 -0500, Johnny Hughes wrote: Donald Buchan wrote: I did a yum update last night at about 23h15 EDT (-4). No upgrade. I just did a yum update this morning at about 08h45 (-4). for my system there's about 348 megs of updates. Now all I have to do is figure out how to remove OO.o 2.0.whatever which is being upgraded to 2.3.whatever. I'm using 2.4.1 on my 4.6 boxes (have always been using the latest OO.o on them since installation a couple of years ago.) Any ideas on how to completely remove the OO.o references for Yum, after having tried to do rpm -Uvh *.rpm, after trying again and doing a yum cleanup, etc. etc.? If you where using the centos versions this will happen for you with a normal upgrade with no issues. If you are using the OpenOffice.org versions and if you want to shift back to the centos version, then just: rpm -e openoffice-\* then (all one line) yum install openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-graphicfilter openoffice.org-draw openoffice.org-xsltfilter openoffice.org-base Thanks, Johnny Hughes ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: PHP 5.2 for CentOS 5.x
I changed to linux a couple of years ago for a bunch of reasons. WGA was one of them. Being noob at the time -- still think I am today -- I had someone do it for me. They were going to put CentOS 4.4 in, but at the last minute, they put in Fedora 5. Apparently, the -devel fork. What a disaster. I was glad when my laptop got CentOS 4.4. It was stable. It worked. Things didn't break. No dependency hell. Shortly after, Fedora was nuked and both desktop and laptop were on 4.4. Today both machines have gone through the upgrade cycles are at 4.7, quite happily. My new desktop (the old one is now the home router, DVD burder, Azureus download box, and has my 80gig mass storage drive; it has 5.2 as of this morning. What do I think of non-EL distros? I'm glad I'm not having to curse for weeks every six months when I have to upgrade, that's what I think of them. And I'm a desktop user. No servers per se. Now I have to see if the new printer I got at Christmas will work without major surgery, like it needed for the 4.6 desktop. :) (I figure HP gave the summer student who knows linux a pet project to make the open source driver, and (s)he probably was using the latest drivers and libraries while downing Jolt Cola. :) ) On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 10:40 -0700, John R Pierce wrote: Tony Mountifield wrote: I always get frustrated with apps requiring the latest and greatest versions of PHP, etc., before they are made available for the major distributions. Is it that the very newest feature is really indispensable and the app can't possibly make do without it, or just because the developer has the bleeding-edge version on his own box and doesn't make the effort to test his app with more mainstream versions? totally. its the new/shiny syndrome. more than once, I've found 1-2 simple 1-line fixes enabled a newer version of a given PHP app to run on an older version of PHP. sadly, much of the OSS community seem to think that stable enterprise distributions like RHEL and SuSE are evil incarnate, second only to Microsoft (which they inevitably spell with a $). ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
