Re: [CentOS] [OT] ups advice

2011-04-15 Thread Howard Fleming
Some of the newer HP servers are very picky about power from UPS's, from 
what I have read.

I have used several Best Ferrups UPSs over the years, other than one 
that toasted it's transformer, have never had any trouble out of them 
(just replace the battery every 3 to 4 years).

They are picky about their input power, do not run not connect them to 
an auto regulating transformer (not the proper term?), or on the output 
of other UPSs, it can cause interesting problems

Howard

On 4/14/2011 15:33, Lamar Owen wrote:
 On Thursday, April 14, 2011 02:55:51 PM John R Pierce wrote:
 http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/5125.aspx
 or similar for this application.   I'd take one of those up versus the
 same size APC SmartUps any day.

 We have a 5KVA Best Ferrups here that has never worked correctly :-)  But 
 I've seen my share of toasted APC's, too.

 Currently we run older APC SmartUPS (pure sine) for the workstation stuff and 
 Symmetras in the Data Centers.  Looking to put in a Toshiba or similar 500KVA 
 in the secondary Data Center later in the year.

 BTW, another thing the 'good' UPS's do, more important than 'pure
 sinusoidal output' for computer purposes*, is buck/boost voltage regulation.

 Yes.

 * if you're running audio gear off a UPS, you definitely want the
 sinusoidal output, but thats another market entirely.

 Or old 3Com Corebuilder/CellPlex 7000 gear, which shuts down with anything 
 but pure sinewave.
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] ups advice

2011-04-15 Thread Howard Fleming


On 4/15/2011 10:48, John R Pierce wrote:
 On 04/15/11 4:38 AM, Howard Fleming wrote:
 I have used several Best Ferrups UPSs over the years, other than one
 that toasted it's transformer, have never had any trouble out of them
 (just replace the battery every 3 to 4 years).

 They are picky about their input power, do not run not connect them to
 an auto regulating transformer (not the proper term?), or on the output
 of other UPSs, it can cause interesting problems...

 I don't think they make any FerrUPS anymore.  Those were based on a
 massive ferroresonant transformer which, yes, is very sensitive to the
 input frequency.  Specifically, they don't like generator power, unless
 it has extremely well regulated frequency output (such as a DC generator
 with a digital sinusoidal converter)

Eaton has the Ferrups line now (still available as far as I know).

I have actually run into the input frequency problem in the past with 
the Ferrups.

I was working at a gas company that for political reasons generated 
their own power inhouse.  Had one Ferrups UPS (of 10?) that was 
complaining about it (kept going online/offline/online  There is a 
parameter in the settings that can be adjusted to allow a greater input 
freq range on the UPS (59.5 - 60.5 hz is the default range, from what I 
remember).  In this case that took care of the problem.

I have 3 1.4kw units at home, no trouble to date running them off of my 
backup generator (Campbell 5k unit).  They are also 18 years old at this 
point and still going... :o).  Running 3 of my CentOS servers at home in 
fact.
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