Re: [CentOS] IBM x3500 M3 and CentOS 7.*

2019-11-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 17:05, Mark (Netbook)  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Please can anyone help with the problem below when trying to install CentOS 
> 7.6 on an IBM x3500 M3 from DVD or USB.
>
> CentOS 7.5 installs perfectly with no errors.
>

I would try one more thing. Install CentOS-7.5 and then run yum update
and reboot. Then on the reboot edit the grub and remove the rhgb and
quiet lines from the boot into. This will give you a very lengthy
amount of info which could say what is the problem.


> CentOS 7.6 tries to boot, an error is output briefly and the workstation 
> powers down.
>

A help on the error would be useful because it could be a lot of things.


> CentOS 7.7 displays the error briefly then continues the install with no 
> further errors.
>
> I also tried RHEL 7.6 which installs perfectly with no errors.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
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Re: [CentOS] yum4 and dnf on CentOS 8

2019-11-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 15:39, Sergio Belkin  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was using yum for years on CentOS servers, and since a few years ago dnf
> on Fedora desktops. My question is:
> Is the same yum4 on CentOS 8 that dnf? What should I use?
> Thanks in advance
>

yum4 is a thin wrapper on dnf mainly because Enterprise Linux users
and scripts are used to the yum commands. You can use either dnf or
yum4 on the command line and get the same results.

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Re: [CentOS] My ethernet is not listed in centOS 8 boot.iso

2019-11-23 Thread John Pierce
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 10:49 PM Ebed  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yesterday i tried to install centOS 8 on my little router and server, but
> there's no ethernet listed there. I'm using Compaq pressario V3737TU which
> come with Marvell PCI-e ethernet 100Mbps. It's an old laptop.
>

Indeed, that's a low end 12 yr old laptop, based on a core2 duo CPU, I'm
amazed C8 even boots on it.

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Re: [CentOS] sendmail on Centos 7.7

2019-11-22 Thread John Pierce
On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 6:16 AM Jerry Geis  wrote:

> Great thought to check the generated file.
> It looks OK.
>
> grep gmail sendmail.*
> sendmail.cf:DSsmtp-relay.gmail.com
> sendmail.cf.bak:DSsmtp-relay.gmail.com
> sendmail.mc:define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp-relay.gmail.com') dnl


maybe add a '.' to the end of the host name?  that prevents it from
applying assumed default domains to it

like this:

define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp-relay.gmail.com.') dnl
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Re: [CentOS] sendmail on Centos 7.7

2019-11-22 Thread John Pierce
and, of course...

$ host smtp-relay.gmail.com
smtp-relay.gmail.com has address 74.125.142.28
smtp-relay.gmail.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:400e:c08::1c
$ whois 74.125.142.28
...

NetRange:   74.125.0.0 - 74.125.255.255
CIDR:   74.125.0.0/16
NetName:GOOGLE
NetHandle:  NET-74-125-0-0-1
Parent: NET74 (NET-74-0-0-0-0)
NetType:Direct Allocation
OriginAS:
Organization:   Google LLC (GOGL)
RegDate:2007-03-13
Updated:2012-02-24
Ref:https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/74.125.0.0

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Re: [CentOS] sendmail on Centos 7.7

2019-11-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 08:22, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am 'trying' to set SMART_HOST in sendmail to point to smtp-relay.gmail.com
> but when looking at the /var/log/maillog its going to mx203.inbound-mx.net.
> [192.110.255.243],
>

That is weird.. and from all the other posts I could find on google
about this domain not good. I am not sure who 'owns' this domain but
it only shows up in malware posting and similar spaces. And here is
where:

[smooge@smoogen-laptop ~]$ host -t MX smtp-relay.gmail.com.com
smtp-relay.gmail.com.com mail is handled by 10 mx203.inbound-mx.org.
smtp-relay.gmail.com.com mail is handled by 10 mx203.inbound-mx.net.

so something is adding another .com to your domain lookup. I would
check the resolv.conf, your dns server or the configs elsewere


> why???
>
> my line from sendmail.mc
> define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp-relay.gmail.com')
> I did make in /etc/mail and service sendmail restart
>
> This is the only SMART_HOST in the config file. I started with the default
> CentOS 7.7 sendmail.mc and have not added anything else. just changed teh
> SMART_HOST.
>
> Why is mail relay to mx203.inbound-mx.net 
>
> Nov 22 08:16:00 lsi001 sendmail[9286]: xAMDFxlA009286: to=
> user.some...@gmail.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:01,
> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30197, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1],
> dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (xAMDFxjQ009287 Message accepted for delivery)
> Nov 22 08:16:00 lsi001 sendmail[9289]: STARTTLS=client, relay=
> mx203.inbound-mx.net., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=AES256-SHA,
> bits=256/256
> Nov 22 08:16:01 lsi001 sendmail[9289]: xAMDFxjQ009287: to=<
> user.some...@gmail.com>, ctladdr= (0/0),
> delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=120519, relay=
> mx203.inbound-mx.net. [192.110.255.243], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Queued!)
>
> Thanks. How do find out why its going to the wrong place ?
>
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 boot command line

2019-11-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 15:22, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> > ip=192.168.1.13::192.168.1.1:255.255.255.0:hostname.goes.here:eth0:on:1500:
>
> Thanks for the information.
>
> What "insanity". Take a perfectly good syntax and muck it up like that. The
> developer that "lost" backward compatibility for that mess needs a couple
> more drinks or something.

The problem I think was that the syntax was one which worked for one
OS and the dracut is meant to work for all Linuxes.. so they worked
out a set of items which worked for Debian, SuSE, Mandrake, Fedora.
The syntax change I think landed in Fedora right after RHEL-6 and was
in RHEL-7 from the beginning. As the web page goes over, there are
several different syntaxes which can be used for different
environments.

[At this point i have been having to hack that syntax for 7 years so I
have a severe case of Stockholm syndrome.]



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 boot command line

2019-11-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 14:05, Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2019-11-18 12:45, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 13:22, Jerry Geis  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am trying to boot a grub entry for CentOS 8
> >>
> >>   menuentry "Server Install CentOS 8" {
> >> linux /boot/vmlinuz noverifyssl ks=
> >> https://devgeis.LayeredSolutionsInc.com:443/kickstart/ks_update_to_server8.cfg
> >> biosdevname=0 net.ifnames=0 ksdevice=eth0 ip=192.168.1.13
> >> gateway=192.168.1.1 netmask=255.255.255.
> >> 0 nameserver=192.168.1.1inst.sshd sshd=1
> >> initrd /boot/initrd.img
> >> }
> >>
> >> When booting it says that "ip=192.168.1.3" Sorry unknown value.
> >>
> >> This works on CentOS 7. How do I specify the IP/SN/GW for CentOS kernel
> >> line?
> >
> > That method was listed as deprecated in EL-7 and I think the method
> > you need to use now is
> > http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/dracut.cmdline.7.html
> >
> > ip=192.168.1.13::192.168.1.1:255.255.255.0:hostname.goes.here:eth0:on:1500:
>
> If MAC address is mandatory here, it becomes extra hassle compared to
> kickstart build I was using until now...
>

The mac address isn't mandatory but you are then up to the whims of
the kernel, dracut, and whatever else is involved on what gets picked
for eth0. It works less often than it used to for me so I would end up
on a very very long rant tag.


> (Is  tag due above ? ;-)
>
> Valeri
>
> >
> > I am going to guess that should work, but I have not had much luck
> > with ethX interfaces with dracut
> >
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Re: [CentOS] Post-installation setup script for CentOS 7 servers

2019-11-18 Thread John Pierce
On Sun, Nov 17, 2019, 2:52 PM Nicolas Kovacs  wrote:

>
>
> Cheers & thanks for your detailed explanations. You've tickled my
> curiosity, so as soon as I finish writing my current Linux book (around
> X-mas I guess) I'll have a deeper look at all that stuff.
>


So you're writing a book on how Linux used to be?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 boot command line

2019-11-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 13:22, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> I am trying to boot a grub entry for CentOS 8
>
>  menuentry "Server Install CentOS 8" {
>linux /boot/vmlinuz noverifyssl ks=
> https://devgeis.LayeredSolutionsInc.com:443/kickstart/ks_update_to_server8.cfg
> biosdevname=0 net.ifnames=0 ksdevice=eth0 ip=192.168.1.13
> gateway=192.168.1.1 netmask=255.255.255.
> 0 nameserver=192.168.1.1inst.sshd sshd=1
>initrd /boot/initrd.img
>}
>
> When booting it says that "ip=192.168.1.3" Sorry unknown value.
>
> This works on CentOS 7. How do I specify the IP/SN/GW for CentOS kernel
> line?

That method was listed as deprecated in EL-7 and I think the method
you need to use now is
http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/dracut.cmdline.7.html

ip=192.168.1.13::192.168.1.1:255.255.255.0:hostname.goes.here:eth0:on:1500:

I am going to guess that should work, but I have not had much luck
with ethX interfaces with dracut

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Re: [CentOS] Cron - log when job ends?

2019-11-18 Thread John Horne
On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 16:32 -0500, Karl Vogel wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 05:54:07PM +0000, John Horne wrote:
>
> J> In trying to resolve a problem with a cron job, we can see when the job
> J> starts by looking in the /var/log/cron log file.  However, I was asked if
> J> when the job ends could also be logged.  (It seems to be something that
> J> crops up every so often over the years.)
>
>You could use something like this with your scripts.
>It works with ksh or bash.
>
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I'm not looking for a 'per-script'
solution. Logging when a job starts is performed by crond, so logging when it
ends should also be done by crond.

Despite the article I mentioned being from 2011, it seems that Debian 10 still
supports the logging of when cron jobs end. Looking into this further it seems
that Debian uses anacron, and then applies a patch which provides the '-L'
option.

I have raised this with the cronie project on github to try and see why this
feature has not been implemented. (It may well be that there are good reasons
for it having not happened.) A very quick look at the cronie code seems to
indicate it may be possible to implement.



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[CentOS] Cron - log when job ends?

2019-11-15 Thread John Horne
Hello,

In trying to resolve a problem with a cron job, we can see when the job starts
by looking in the /var/log/cron log file. However, I was asked if when the job
ends could also be logged. (It seems to be something that crops up every so
often over the years.)

I found on the 'net this article
https://serverfault.com/questions/248915/crontab-is-there-any-log-with-begin-and-end-time

which mentions a loglevel (-L) option, and by setting this to 2 it will log
when a cron job ends. It sounds great, and just what we could use. The downside
is that there seems to be no such option anymore. The article is several years
old but the users says they are using anacron. Checking on both a CentOS 7 and
Fedora 31 system, which both use cronie-anacron, I could find no mention of any
loglevel.

Does anyone know what happened to this option (why it was removed)? It would
seem to be useful, but removed at some time.



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Re: [CentOS] C8 Questions

2019-11-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 15 Nov 2019 at 11:12, Alessandro Baggi
 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I've several questions about C8. I'm using 8 on my personal NAS and
> works very well. I'm running several VMs with centos 8 and noticed
> something:
>

OK most of these questions are going to be answered by the fact that
CentOS is a rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. If Red Hat Enterprise
Linux does not have something in it's base packages, it isn't going to
be in the CentOS package set.

> 1) Why corosync, pacemaker and pcs are missing on C8? They are only
> available on rhel with payments( rhel ha addons)?

Because Red Hat put them in a package set which is not shipped as
source to CentOS to rebuild.

> 2) Why there is only Gnome as available DE? I use centos on my
> workstation and I'm a kde-plasma user. XFCE is ok but not gnome. I tried
> fedora, it has all software that I need and it is a very good distro but
> I don't like too much update and its EOL (upgrade/reinstall every 13
> months on a workstation is not so good for me). I don't want to be
> forced to install another stable distro like debian (This not means that
> debian is bad but I prefer centos).

Because Red Hat only did a build of GNOME for RHEL-8.

> 3) I have a VM with C8 installed. I got several updates but I don't
> receive any update for 8 on centos-announce like for previous versions
> (6 & 7). Something has changed?

The way modules and other layout changes come with RHEL-8, the old
tools which are used for announcing updates do not work. Please see
other threads on this for the request for help on this.


> 4) EPEL. I know that EPEL is a Fedora SIG but I use several packages
> from EPEL. There is a place to see what packages will be included in
> EPEL? For example, I tried to install audacious from epel but got errors
> for missing deps. Seems that EPEL8 is released but not ready. There is a
> ETA for this?

EPEL is a volunteer project and there is no ETA because it is up to
the volunteers time and effort to build things.

> 5) It's my impression or there are less packages in this release?

You are probably looking for packages in PowerTools. Please enable
this as this will also fix your audacious problem.

> 6) Why cockpit installed by default?

Because RHEL shipped with it that way.

> 7) Why repo PowerTools was created? What is the main purpose?

PowerTools is a set of packages which Red Hat ships as
CodeReadyBuilder channel fo RHEL-8. It contains packages which are not
part of the main distribution and would not have 'technical support'.
[AKA if lynx were shipped in RHEL appstream it would have certain
support levels for security and application fixes... it has few of
those in Code Ready Builder.] For CentOS it is meant to communicate
that CentOS is a rebuild of RHEL and certain problems may not get
upstream fixes.

> 8) Why NetworkManager is the default method to configure interfaces? I
> know that I can install network-scripts but I don't understand this change.

Because RHEL shipped that way.

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Re: [CentOS] cli Checking disk i/o

2019-11-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:12, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
>
> I just built a CentOS7 system on a Zotac NANO PC.
>
> I used a 320GB 2.5" HD I had sitting around and installed with Standard
> Partitions on XFS.
>
> The drive is spinning, nonstop.

I would check the NANO to see if its firmware has any settings or
updates which cover this. Then check if the drive has firmware updates
needed. Motherboard and drive firmware fixes have been the things I
have found to fix most of the problems for drive 'not powering down'
problems. I think the last one I remember on IRC was a drive set came
up in a mode saying 'I am in fast access mode' or something and so the
motherboard kept it spinning up all the time to make sure it could
write quickly.


> How can I monitor if there is actually disk i/o to warrant this constant
> spinning.
>
> So noatime for all partitions work with XFS?  I did some browsing and
> the claim is XFS uses realtime which is better? than noatime?
>
> Perhaps it is just occasional writes to messages (at least 1 a minute)
> that determines to keep on spinning.
>
> But it is annoying.
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Re: [CentOS] Need help modding src.rpms to generate complete SAMBA AD DC binary RPMs for CentOS 8

2019-11-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 at 01:13, Robert G (Doc) Savage via CentOS
 wrote:
>
> When RHEL8 and CentOS8 were released, I was looking forward to setting
> up SAMBA as a AD DC server for CentOS8. But when I lifed the hood on
> the samba.spec file I found the option to build the samba-dc binary rpm
> has been disabled for rhel family builds.
>
> Apparently Red Hat does not want to support a unified SAMBA AD DC
> environment. I believe we have all of the componentns needed to set up
> a fully up-to-date samba-dc binary. But it's been decades since I last
> rolled up my sleeves with my hardbound copy of "Maximum RPM" and built
> custom binary rpms.
>

You need Heimdal which neither CentOS or RHEL ship but as others have
said, (and other threads in lists have been going on) Nico Kadell has
a set of RPMS with everything you need
https://github.com/nkadel/samba4repo

> Has anyone already done this as a COPR or similar project? Failing
> that, I'm willing to work with anyone with more up-to-date rpmbuild
> tools to create and document the process.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Help with CentOS 7 and nvidia

2019-10-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 09:29, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> Hello my hardware has:
> 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [ION] (rev a2)
>

My initial guess would be that Nvidia dropped full support for a ~10
year old card. They usually only focus on the last 5 years and drop
various 'features' for older cards over time. I say this from running
into this back when EL7 came out and people were having similar
problems where 'it worked in EL6'  and then it didn't after EL7


>
> So to me all looks good - but there is no hardware acceleration???
>
> When I play the video with totem its taking way too much CPU.
> I removed the ~/.cache/gstreamer* .
>
> What have I missed ?
>
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Re: [CentOS] udev on CEntOS7 - can't get a match, looking for tips...

2019-10-29 Thread John H Nyhuis
hmmm, I thought := assigned a key just like +=, except := locked it so 
it could not be changed later.  Am I misunderstanding the man page for udev?

Thanks,

John H. Nyhuis
Desk: (206)-685-8334
jnyh...@uw.edu
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On 10/29/2019 4:31 PM, Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
> Am 29.10.19 um 23:41 schrieb John H Nyhuis:
>> Thanks, I did catch the mistype (after IU posted).  Still no match with
>> the typo fixed... :-(
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John H. Nyhuis
>> Desk: (206)-685-8334
>> jnyh...@uw.edu
>> Box 359461, 15th floor, 106
>>
>> On 10/29/2019 4:03 AM, Tony Mountifield wrote:
>>> In article <7025a0a8-1471-530d-dad0-3770e902c...@uw.edu>,
>>> John H Nyhuis  wrote:
>>>> The mtx binary requires my tape library to be assigned a sg# driver, 
>>>> but
>>>> the kernel periodically renumbers the sg devices.  Normally, we would
>>>> write a udev rule to manually assign a persistent name, but it looks
>>>> like things have changed as I can't seem to get a match on CEntOS7.  
>>>> I'd
>>>> appreciate any feedback or pointers to help me get my rule working.  My
>>>> two attempts are below.
>>>>
>>>> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/90-local.rules
>>>>
>>>> KERNEL=="sg[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="scsi_generic", \
>>>> ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="1QUANTUM_D0H0112430_LLA", SYMLINK+="sg8"
>>>>
>>>> SUBSYSTEM=="scsi", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi_genric", \
>>>> ATTRS{model}=="Scalar i40-i80  ", SYMLINK:="sg8"
>>>
>>> You have a typo: scsi_genric instead of scsi_generic.
>>>
>>> Don't know if that is the reason.
>>>
> 
> 
> SYMLINK:="sg8" -> SYMLINK+="sg8"
> 
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Re: [CentOS] udev on CEntOS7 - can't get a match, looking for tips...

2019-10-29 Thread John H Nyhuis
Thanks, I did catch the mistype (after IU posted).  Still no match with 
the typo fixed... :-(

Thanks,

John H. Nyhuis
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On 10/29/2019 4:03 AM, Tony Mountifield wrote:
> In article <7025a0a8-1471-530d-dad0-3770e902c...@uw.edu>,
> John H Nyhuis  wrote:
>> The mtx binary requires my tape library to be assigned a sg# driver, but
>> the kernel periodically renumbers the sg devices.  Normally, we would
>> write a udev rule to manually assign a persistent name, but it looks
>> like things have changed as I can't seem to get a match on CEntOS7.  I'd
>> appreciate any feedback or pointers to help me get my rule working.  My
>> two attempts are below.
>>
>> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/90-local.rules
>>
>> KERNEL=="sg[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="scsi_generic", \
>> ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="1QUANTUM_D0H0112430_LLA", SYMLINK+="sg8"
>>
>> SUBSYSTEM=="scsi", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi_genric", \
>> ATTRS{model}=="Scalar i40-i80  ", SYMLINK:="sg8"
> 
> You have a typo: scsi_genric instead of scsi_generic.
> 
> Don't know if that is the reason.
> 
> Cheers
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[CentOS] udev on CEntOS7 - can't get a match, looking for tips...

2019-10-28 Thread John H Nyhuis
The mtx binary requires my tape library to be assigned a sg# driver, but 
the kernel periodically renumbers the sg devices.  Normally, we would 
write a udev rule to manually assign a persistent name, but it looks 
like things have changed as I can't seem to get a match on CEntOS7.  I'd 
appreciate any feedback or pointers to help me get my rule working.  My 
two attempts are below.

cat /etc/udev/rules.d/90-local.rules

KERNEL=="sg[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="scsi_generic", \
ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="1QUANTUM_D0H0112430_LLA", SYMLINK+="sg8"

SUBSYSTEM=="scsi", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi_genric", \
ATTRS{model}=="Scalar i40-i80  ", SYMLINK:="sg8"

Neither rule above generates a match with udev, so I still have 
something wrong.  Right now the assignment is sg7 (but it's had other 
names in the past.

udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/sg7
P: 
/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:04:00.0/:05:00.0/:06:00.1/host8/rport-8:0-0/target8:0:0/8:0:0:1/scsi_generic/sg7
N: sg7
S: tape/by-id/scsi-1QUANTUM_D0H0112430_LLA
E: DEVLINKS=/dev/tape/by-id/scsi-1QUANTUM_D0H0112430_LLA
E: DEVNAME=/dev/sg7
E: 
DEVPATH=/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:04:00.0/:05:00.0/:06:00.1/host8/rport-8:0-0/target8:0:0/8:0:0:1/scsi_generic/sg7
E: ID_MODEL=Scalar_i40-i80
E: ID_MODEL_ENC=Scalar\x20i40-i80\x20\x20
E: ID_REVISION=190G
E: ID_SCSI=1
E: ID_SCSI_SERIAL=QUANTUMD0H0112430_LLA
E: ID_SERIAL=1QUANTUM_D0H0112430_LLA
E: ID_SERIAL_SHORT=QUANTUM_D0H0112430_LLA
E: ID_TYPE=generic
E: ID_VENDOR=QUANTUM
E: ID_VENDOR_ENC=QUANTUM\x20
E: MAJOR=21
E: MINOR=7
E: SUBSYSTEM=scsi_generic
E: USEC_INITIALIZED=28815292891


Assigned and parent device listed below:
udevadm info -a -p `udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sg7`

   looking at device 
'/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:04:00.0/:05:00.0/:06:00.1/host8/rport-8:0-0/target8:0:0/8:0:0:1/scsi_generic/sg7':
 KERNEL=="sg7"
 SUBSYSTEM=="scsi_generic"
 DRIVER==""

   looking at parent device 
'/devices/pci:00/:00:07.0/:04:00.0/:05:00.0/:06:00.1/host8/rport-8:0-0/target8:0:0/8:0:0:1':
 KERNELS=="8:0:0:1"
 SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi"
 DRIVERS=="ch"
 ATTRS{rev}=="190G"
 ATTRS{type}=="8"
 ATTRS{scsi_level}=="4"
 ATTRS{model}=="Scalar i40-i80  "
 ATTRS{state}=="running"
 ATTRS{unpriv_sgio}=="0"
 ATTRS{queue_type}=="none"
 ATTRS{iodone_cnt}=="0xe2"
 ATTRS{iorequest_cnt}=="0xe2"
 ATTRS{queue_ramp_up_period}=="12"
 ATTRS{device_busy}=="0"
 ATTRS{evt_capacity_change_reported}=="0"
 ATTRS{timeout}=="0"
 ATTRS{evt_media_change}=="0"
 ATTRS{ioerr_cnt}=="0x7"
 ATTRS{queue_depth}=="30"
 ATTRS{vendor}=="QUANTUM "
 ATTRS{evt_soft_threshold_reached}=="0"
 ATTRS{device_blocked}=="0"
 ATTRS{evt_mode_parameter_change_reported}=="0"
 ATTRS{evt_lun_change_reported}=="0"
 ATTRS{evt_inquiry_change_reported}=="0"
 ATTRS{dh_state}=="detached"
 ATTRS{iocounterbits}=="32"
 ATTRS{eh_timeout}=="10"


Would anyone mind pointing out the error in my udev rule or proposing a 
better way of getting a persistent sg device name?

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Re: [CentOS] HW update. Fedora 30 to Centos?

2019-10-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 10:14, Matthew Miller  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 03:53:49PM +0100, Dave Pawson wrote:
> > Not all that bothered about being 'up to the minute', and after
> > 20+ Fedora installs it does get to be a drag...
>
> You should be just fine with CentOS for most cases. Check out the new Fedora
> Toolbox command ('toolbox') — this makes it super-easy to launch and
> maintain "pet" containers using podman, and you could use this to provide a
> Fedora working environment for when you need newer stuff. (Or conversely
> people running a Fedora OS can do the opposite with a CentOS container.)
>
> One thing I'm curious about, though -- you mention installs getting to be a
> drag. Have you tried the update process in the last few releases? It's
> basically like applying a big set of updates, with no reinstall required.

It is good to do re-installs regularly to avoid problems like whatever
file-system in Fedora N does not work with containers (or some other
new feature).. but the Fedora N+1 filesystem does. You can only get
that availability by reinstalling or creating a new file-system which
you put stuff into... so in many ways a fresh install is usually good
to do every 4-6 releases so that you aren't debugging 'why doesn't
this new utility work'


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Re: [CentOS] ls permissions format changed in CentOS 8

2019-10-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 20:14, Kenneth Porter  wrote:
>
> Found it. It happens from the process buffer inside Lugaru Epsilon. I think
> ls thinks it's doing a DIRED output instead of a shell output. Now I need
> to figure out why it thinks that. This wasn't happening in CentOS 7.
>

Lugaru Epsilon? I think you need to give a lot more explanation on
what is going on because I (at least) have no idea how you are using a
non-shipped text editor .

Usually if a tool is not giving similar results... I usually start by
setting up a new account and unset all SHELL variables in said
account. I then see if the problem occurs. If it doesn't, I make
changes one by one from the other shells variables to see if it does.
[Well I probably do the Wise Old Owl from the tootsy pop commercial..
once I hit three I start moving files until I get it.. sometimes it
turns out that it is some weird config setting I didn't know in a file
I didn't think would affect things.]

I am going to expect that TERM=DUMB might be the problem.. but not sure.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 and DELL 7540 Intel AX200 WIFI

2019-10-25 Thread John Pierce
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 6:50 PM David Summers 
wrote:

> .



> 70:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:2723]
> (rev 1a)
>
>
> I believe the Intel AX200 Wifi card is the device 8086:2723 (rev1a) entry.
>
>
> Is there something I can do to enable it or is this a bug I need to file
> with RedHat?
>
>
>
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/05511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html

says that the AX200 is supported with Linux Kernel 5.1+, and the firmware
linked on that page.



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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 - no freeIPA servers

2019-10-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 09:52, lejeczek via CentOS  wrote:
>
> On 25/10/2019 14:46, lejeczek via CentOS wrote:
> > hi, anybody knows why?
> >
> > many thanks, L.
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> or rather why not in default steam but in a separate dnf module?

That is how Red Hat ships the product. I expect that it is not a
default stream because of internal rules on what is a default stream
or not. [My guess** is that default modules can not be updated
'rapidly' so if FreeIPA 8 were shipped in 8.0 it would need to be long
term maintained but if it is shipped as a non-default they can put out
a FreeIPA9 whenever they wanted to.]

** While I work at Red Hat, I do not know what the rules for
default/non-default are. I would have to go look at access.redhat.com
like anyone else which I haven't :).


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 apcupsd or nut and duplicity

2019-10-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 15:41, Ian P.  wrote:
>
> It looks like Fedora 28 is past EOL and I am not able to locate a
> source for package downloads.
>

It is past EOL, but it is available at a few mirrors. They mirror a
lot of content so it would be slower and may be better if you are
going to use it to mirror it locally from them.

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager/mirrors/Fedora/28





> Thanks,
> Ian
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 11:22 AM Ljubomir Ljubojevic  wrote:
> >
> > On 10/19/19 9:08 PM, Ian P. wrote:
> > > Hello Again,
> > > Is there any update on nut or apcupsd for CentOS 8?
> > >
> > > Also, I noticed that duplicity is not currently available for CentOS
> > > 8. I got the Fedora 30 SRPM for duplicity to build on CentOS, but ran
> > > into a dependency issue and cannot find python-devel. Any suggestions
> > > on alternatives or how to get duplicity going on CentOS 8?
> > >
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> > Have you tried duplicity srpms from Fedora 28 (source of CentOS 8
> > packages) instead?
> >
> > Also, I noted there mmight be issue with pythonn version 2 or 3,
> > depending on what distro is used. I am not sure this happens between F28
> > and C8, I haven't had time to see if it was only my mistake or something
> > should be done.
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 13:54, Matthew Miller  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:11:04PM -0600, David G. Miller wrote:
> > "ip" should be used instead.  Likewise for using dnf instead of yum,
> > systemctl instead of service, firewallcmd instead of iptables, etc.
> > I wonder how many shell scripts there are "out there" that folks
> > have written or accumulated over the years and which now need to be
> > updated before deprecated becomes no longer available?  Or, like
>
> With the case of DNF and Yum, the RHEL team put in considerable work into
> making sure that the new DNF-based 'yum' command is a drop-in replacement
> for the vast majority of those scripts.

I think that the complaint should be that yum/dnf are not even what a
real Unix would use. We should only get giant UUencoded patch files
(and even then it may really just need to be tapes)


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread John Pierce
The ip commands have been around since Centos 6 if not earlier.  you can do
things with them that you can't do with ifconfig, such as setup policy
routing rule sets..



On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:27 AM Stephen John Smoogen 
wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 14:11, David G. Miller  wrote:
> >
> > On 10/22/19 10:55 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> > > Hello Experts!
> > >
> > > I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already.
> > >
> > > My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often
> > > used sysadmin commands are gone and what are replacements for them. Or
> > > what else one needs to do after successful installation. (in the past
> > > it was process accounting that was not enabled by default, but which
> > > gives you quite some handle in investigating compromise).
> > >
> > > I just tried quite ordinaly command of freshly installed CentOS 8:
> > >
> > > last
> > >
> > > and got an error:
> > >
> > > last: (default utx db): No such file or directory
> > >
> > > I realize that it could be just me, and I'll cope with that myself one
> > > way or another but this one prompted me to ask everybody: Is there
> > > anything I can read so I can learn what differenmt to expect on CentOS
> > > 8 from, say, CentOS 7?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Valeri
> > >
> > > 
> > > Valeri Galtsev
> > > Sr System Administrator
> > > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
> > > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
> > > University of Chicago
> > > Phone: 773-702-4247
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> > Saw your later response that the problem was solved but this is an
> > interesting question that deserves an answer (and not just what changed
> > in RHEL8).  As an example, I'm used to ifconfig and route but keep
> > getting reminded that these commands are now deprecated and "ip" should
> > be used instead.  Likewise for using dnf instead of yum, systemctl
>
> I think that the deprecation of ifconfig and route was started before
> RHEL-7 came out.. and yet I just can't get used to them.
>
> > instead of service, firewallcmd instead of iptables, etc. I wonder how
> > many shell scripts there are "out there" that folks have written or
> > accumulated over the years and which now need to be updated before
> > deprecated becomes no longer available?  Or, like using iptables instead
> > of firewallcmd, may cause something very different than what is expected.
> >
> > Anyone know of any resource out there that might provide such
> documentation?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dave
> >
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 14:11, David G. Miller  wrote:
>
> On 10/22/19 10:55 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> > Hello Experts!
> >
> > I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already.
> >
> > My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often
> > used sysadmin commands are gone and what are replacements for them. Or
> > what else one needs to do after successful installation. (in the past
> > it was process accounting that was not enabled by default, but which
> > gives you quite some handle in investigating compromise).
> >
> > I just tried quite ordinaly command of freshly installed CentOS 8:
> >
> > last
> >
> > and got an error:
> >
> > last: (default utx db): No such file or directory
> >
> > I realize that it could be just me, and I'll cope with that myself one
> > way or another but this one prompted me to ask everybody: Is there
> > anything I can read so I can learn what differenmt to expect on CentOS
> > 8 from, say, CentOS 7?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Valeri
> >
> > 
> > Valeri Galtsev
> > Sr System Administrator
> > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
> > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
> > University of Chicago
> > Phone: 773-702-4247
> > 
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> Saw your later response that the problem was solved but this is an
> interesting question that deserves an answer (and not just what changed
> in RHEL8).  As an example, I'm used to ifconfig and route but keep
> getting reminded that these commands are now deprecated and "ip" should
> be used instead.  Likewise for using dnf instead of yum, systemctl

I think that the deprecation of ifconfig and route was started before
RHEL-7 came out.. and yet I just can't get used to them.

> instead of service, firewallcmd instead of iptables, etc. I wonder how
> many shell scripts there are "out there" that folks have written or
> accumulated over the years and which now need to be updated before
> deprecated becomes no longer available?  Or, like using iptables instead
> of firewallcmd, may cause something very different than what is expected.
>
> Anyone know of any resource out there that might provide such documentation?
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>
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> deserve neither safety nor liberty."
>
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8: what changed (regular UNIX admin commands)?

2019-10-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 12:55, Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
> Hello Experts!
>
> I'm sure many of you run CentOS for some time already.
>
> My question is: is there some place that lists which of the most often
> used sysadmin commands are gone and what are replacements for them. Or
> what else one needs to do after successful installation. (in the past it
> was process accounting that was not enabled by default, but which gives
> you quite some handle in investigating compromise).
>
> I just tried quite ordinaly command of freshly installed CentOS 8:
>
> last
>
> and got an error:
>
> last: (default utx db): No such file or directory
>

Huh. When I run it I got

[root@localhost ~]# last
root pts/0192.168.1.15 Sat Oct 19 15:42   still logged in
reboot   system boot  4.18.0-80.11.2.e Fri Oct 18 09:39   still running
root pts/1192.168.1.15 Thu Oct 17 14:16 - 09:38  (19:22)
smooge   pts/1192.168.1.15 Fri Oct  4 18:14 - 13:24 (12+19:10)
smooge   pts/1192.168.1.15 Fri Oct  4 09:02 - 09:09  (00:06)
smooge   pts/1192.168.1.15 Thu Oct  3 16:31 - 16:46  (00:14)
smooge   pts/2192.168.1.15 Mon Sep 23 17:23 - 09:05  (15:41)
smooge   pts/1192.168.1.15 Sat Sep 21 14:45 - 10:36 (5+19:51)
smooge   pts/1192.168.1.15 Thu Sep 19 17:04 - 17:05  (00:01)
smooge   pts/1192.168.1.15 Mon Sep 16 13:06 - 17:02  (03:55)
smooge   tty2 tty2 Thu Sep 12 12:43 - down  (35+20:55)
reboot   system boot  4.18.0-80.el8.x8 Thu Sep 12 12:33 - 09:38 (35+21:05)

In el7 it used to be in this package:
[smooge@batcave01 ansible (master)]$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/last
sysvinit-tools-2.88-14.dsf.el7.x86_64

And in el8 it is in
[root@localhost ~]# rpm -qf /usr/bin/last
util-linux-2.32.1-8.el8.x86_64

The wtmp file is owned by
[root@localhost ~]# rpm -qf /var/log/wtmp
systemd-239-13.el8_0.5.x86_64

However as you can tell from above this system has been installed for
a bit so I am guessing whatever creates wtmp hasn't happened?

> I realize that it could be just me, and I'll cope with that myself one
> way or another but this one prompted me to ask everybody: Is there
> anything I can read so I can learn what differenmt to expect on CentOS 8
> from, say, CentOS 7?
>
> Thanks.
> Valeri
>
> 
> Valeri Galtsev
> Sr System Administrator
> Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
> Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
> University of Chicago
> Phone: 773-702-4247
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Libvirt /qemu

2019-10-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 16:31, Günther J. Niederwimmer  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> can any install more then one KVM Client with UEFI ??
> On my system it is not possible; I have total crash on the system, when I
> install a client with UEFI
>

Could you give better details on what you mean here? There are
multiple scenarios that you could be trying that meets that sentence,
and some of them would be possible and others would not. Some
scenarios will try to use the hardware UEFI to store variables and
that will cause problems because the virtual systems will conflict
when talking to the hostservers hardware (I think this would come up
with certain secureboot scenarios but not sure). Basically could you
walk out how you do this correctly on the hardware with EL7 and how
you are doing this on EL8 (also what the hardware is?)

I am not sure otherwise I would have enough information to try and duplicate.


> after Install one UEFI System, it is only possible to install a KVM client
> without UEFI this is working??
>
> I found so match broken things, so I mean the best situation is to go back to
> 7.7 :-(.
>
> Is in the near time a situation to found updates for centos 8?
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Re: [CentOS] BackupPC v4 from epel

2019-10-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 03:53, Fabian Arrotin  wrote:

>
> It seems EPEL doesn't use a repoclosure test when pushing from testing
> to stable.
> Let me just take one simple example : I recently asked a pkg to be built
> for epel 8 (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1755787)
>

Sadly repoclosure would only work for EPEL-6 and 7 . I think it
stopped working after some changes were made to rpm after Fedora 21 or
so.. [Try running repoclosure on CentOS-8:


package: systemd-udev-239-13.el8.x86_64 from BaseOS
  unresolved deps:
systemd(x86-64) = 239-13.el8
package: systemd-udev-239-13.el8_0.3.i686 from BaseOS
  unresolved deps:
systemd(x86-32) = 239-13.el8_0.3
package: systemd-udev-239-13.el8_0.3.x86_64 from BaseOS
  unresolved deps:
systemd(x86-64) = 239-13.el8_0.3
package: valgrind-devel-1:3.14.0-9.el8.i686 from AppStream
  unresolved deps:
valgrind = 1:3.14.0-9.el8
package: valgrind-devel-1:3.14.0-9.el8.x86_64 from AppStream
  unresolved deps:
valgrind = 1:3.14.0-9.el8

... it goes on and on.]

>
> Stephen (smooge) would probably be able to comment if that would be
> possible for Epel to have some gating from -testing to stable (like a
> simple repoclosure test) to see if packages pushed to stable can be
> installable (and so satisfied deps in stable repo too)


A new repoclosure tool would need to be written, then integrating it
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Re: [CentOS] Browser doesnt work

2019-10-15 Thread John Hodrien

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:

CentOS is a desktop distribution in the sense that chickens fly and horses 
swim. Of course you can turn it into a full-blown bells-and-whistles desktop 
by fine-tuning the configuration and adding lots of third-party stuff. I've 
done this myself for years, here for example:


https://www.microlinux.fr/poste-de-travail-entreprise-centos-7-kde/

On the other hand, CentOS out of the box is a rather frustrating experience 
on the desktop.


I've always disagreed with this view, however common it appears to be.

RHEL is sold as an Enterprise OS for Server, Cloud, Desktop, Laptop.  CentOS
surely shouldn't be seen any differently.

What is it that makes CentOS a bad desktop OS?

I can install CentOS 8 on my laptop now, with a perfectly usable desktop, and
10 years of support.  Google Chrome runs just fine, and I can use containers
via singularity on top for anything exotic.

What exactly am I missing out on by not running something else?

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Re: [CentOS] qeum on centos 8 with nvme disk

2019-10-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 17:38, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> Hi All -  I use qemu on my centOS 7.7 box that has software raid of 2- SSD
> disks.
>
> I installed an nVME drive in the computer also. I tried to insall CentOS8
> on it
> (the physical /dev/nvme0n1  with the -hda /dev/nvme0n1 as the disk.
>
> The process started installing but is really "slow" - I was expecting with
> the nvme device it would be much quicker.
>
> Is there something I am missing how to get a faster disk access ?
>

Does anything get listed in the guest or the virtual-machine-host
system for errors? The reasons I could see for very very slow nvme
would be that something is trying to write too small a sector for the
drive and flushing the drive. Depending on the nvme it might be set up
to read mostly and write rarely, read/write even or write a lot/read
in blocks. VM's usually are mixed use and get really weird behavior on
the others. If the nvme is expecting large writes and it is getting
small ones which don't "fit" it will 1) wear out the nvme because it
is basically rewriting a full block every time even if it is only
changing 5 k and 2) is slow because all those little writes are
blocking.

I would look to see if the device is mostly in Device Wait and if io
errors are showing up.

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Re: [CentOS] What is /etc/subuid ?

2019-10-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 16:34, Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2019-10-09 14:58, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 02:47:19PM -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> >> Could someone enlighten me about the following file:
> >>
> >> /etc/subuid
> >>
> >> ? This file appears to be owned by "setup" package. This is CentOS 7 
> >> system,
> >> and until now these files if existed were never changed. Today I have added
> >> user quite routine way, by doing
> >>
> >> /usr/sbin/groupadd -g 4500 [username]
> >> /usr/sbin/useradd -g [username] -u 4500 -c "User Name, email@domain"
> >> [username]
> >>
> >> And the file /etc/subuid changed and user was added into it:
> >>
> >> [username]:10:65536
> >
> > I'm not sure what else it's used for, but /etc/subuid and /etc/subgid
> > are used by podman for rootless containers (i.e. you can run a
> > container without any root permissions).  subuid/subgid is used to map
> > a range of UID/GIDs to the process namespace inside the kernel.
> >
> > Some details here:
> >
> > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux_atomic_host/7/html-single/managing_containers/index#set_up_for_rootless_containers
> >
> > It's actually pretty cool.
> >
> > So, now when accounts are created with useradd, subuids are assigned
> > to that new user.
> >
> > Unfortunately, this doesn't really work in an enterprise environment
> > when users are defined via LDAP, since no subuid/subgid entries are
> > created, but I've heard that there's an effort to make that happen in
> > the NSS layer in the future.
> >
>
> Thank you, Michael and Jonathan for your answers.
>
> I have one more question (which I probably will just answer myself by
> kickstart installing fresh new system...):
>
> Did something changed and now by default useradd command adds user in
> that file (by default without me using extra flag etc)? In other words
> is it just me or indeed the command we used since forever suddenly
> changed its behavior?
>

I believe it is a new behavior (by about a year). This file was not in
earlier versions of RHEL because my systems only seem to have it
showing up after 2018-10

> Thanks again for your insights everybody.
>
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>
> >
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Re: [CentOS] Livepatch: Linux kernel updates without rebooting

2019-10-09 Thread John Pierce
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 11:27 AM Kaushal Shriyan 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am running CentOS Linux release 7.7.1908 (Core). Does CentOS Linux kernel
> 3.10.0-1062.1.1.el7.x86_64 support kernel updates without rebooting (Live
> Patching)?
>
> I look forward to hearing from you and thanks in advance.
>
>
>
this was just discussed in length on this list a few days ago.   See the
thread starting here,
https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2019-October/173703.html

the short answer is, no.  and even the paid distributions that do support
live patching, its pretty iffy.


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Re: [CentOS] Unique3 and Unique3-devel package missing from CentOS 8

2019-10-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 15:06, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> These packages were in C7 - dont appear to be in C8 - not even in AppStream.
>
> How do I get them?

They aren't in the OS, so I would look at a secondary repository like
EPEL. It doesn't look like anyone has requested them there yet so I
would open a ticket in bugzilla.redhat.com to see if the maintainer
would branch and build in EPEL.


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Re: [CentOS] Glances for CentOS 8?

2019-10-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 23:08, Wynona Stacy Lockwood  wrote:
>
> It seems that glances is not in EPEL for CentOS 8. Is that coming at some
> point, or has it been deprecated in favor of some other tool?

Hi,

Because RHEL releases are far apart, packages don't get automatically
added to newer EPEL releases. Instead, packages are usually added
after maintainers get a request through bugzilla. This allows the
packager know that the software is needed and also to see if they have
time to support another branch.

I don't see the tool being deprecated in Fedora so it should be possible.

As a Halloween present I have added it to my temp repo:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/smooge/not-yet-in-epel8/packages/.
These packages are as is.




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Re: [CentOS] Centos & media codec

2019-10-08 Thread John Pierce
FWIW, of late, my favorite portable video player is Kodi (originally xbmc),
which is meant as a TV settop remote control friendly play-everything.
 I mostly run it on an Android settop box (NVidia Shield) attached to our
TV, but I know you can run it on most any linux.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 and UPS Autoshutdown

2019-10-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 11:48, Stephen John Smoogen  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 11:47, Ian Prowell  wrote:
> >
> > What is the recommended method for getting UPS monitoring and
> > autoshutdown in CentOS 8? EPEL has nut, but I get errors on missing
> > dependencies when trying to install it. I can add details if needed or
> > helpful. I have looked for apcupsd, but have not found a package for
> > CentOS 8. Suggestions?
> >
>
> Can you elaborate on what the missing dependencies are?
>

And because I realized I shouldn't just ask for what it is but see what it is...

Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux 8 - x86_64

594 kB/s | 2.0 MB 00:03
Last metadata expiration check: 0:00:01 ago on 2019-10-06T11:52:22 EDT.
Error:
 Problem: package nut-2.7.4-24.el8.x86_64 requires
libupsclient.so.4()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - conflicting requests
  - nothing provides pygtk2-libglade needed by nut-client-2.7.4-24.el8.x86_64
(try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages or
'--nobest' to use not only best candidate packages)


@!$$%$#@# will go see what needs to be done to fix.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 and UPS Autoshutdown

2019-10-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 11:47, Ian Prowell  wrote:
>
> What is the recommended method for getting UPS monitoring and
> autoshutdown in CentOS 8? EPEL has nut, but I get errors on missing
> dependencies when trying to install it. I can add details if needed or
> helpful. I have looked for apcupsd, but have not found a package for
> CentOS 8. Suggestions?
>

Can you elaborate on what the missing dependencies are?

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 (less used) packages

2019-10-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 at 12:52, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> I'm still not catching on to the "new" of CentOS 8
>
> yum install yasm
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:01:32 ago on Sat 05 Oct 2019 12:46:16 PM
> EDT.
> No match for argument: yasm
> Error: Unable to find a match
>
>

You need to enable PowerTools for the package. use your favorite
method to turn it on in /etc/yum.repos.d/


> yum install yasm-devel
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:01:37 ago on Sat 05 Oct 2019 12:46:16 PM
> EDT.
> No match for argument: yasm-devel
> Error: Unable to find a match
>
> yum search yasm
> Last metadata expiration check: 0:01:47 ago on Sat 05 Oct 2019 12:46:16 PM
> EDT.
> No matches found.
>
> Where do I get these packages like yasm, orc, ogg and others ?
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

2019-10-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 18:11, Japheth Cleaver  wrote:
>
> On 10/4/2019 8:17 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> > On 10/4/19 10:40 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote:
> >> My impression is younger generation doesn't value rules that
> >> programmers were following 2-3 decades ago. One of which is:
> >>
> >> Do not make any changes [in the program] unless they are absolutely
> >> necessary.
> >>
> > I have in the past agreed with this assessment more than once. And I
> > _am_ somewhat of an old hand at this, having run Unix and Unix-like
> > systems for a bit over 30 years.
> >
> > The fact of the matter is that, even though some of the old ways work
> > just fine and don't need to be changed, many more times I've seen
> > that, if the old way was a kludge to begin with, maybe there really is
> > a better way to do it.  Take the transition from horse and buggy to
> > automobile for instance.  Iron rim tires work just great for the
> > buggy, not so great for the automobile; a change had to be made in an
> > old technology (the wheel) to meet the needs of the new automobile.
> > Lots of wheelwrights probably fought that change, too.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Today, I'm doing things with containers, virtualization, dynamic load
> > balancing, software-defined infrastructure/IaaS, etc that the old ways
> > simply cannot handle.  NetworkManager/systemd/etc in CentOS are far
> > from perfect, but at least they're trying to solve the newer problems
> > that the old ways in many cases simply cannot.
>
>
> This is a bit orthogonal, though. (Witness the effort to remove systemd
> requirements from containers.) An engineer is expected to understand the
> component parts rationally to arrive at some sort of professional
> conclusion that something is likely to work properly. This is not helped
> by a switch from imperative and deterministic to declarative and
> dynamic, which underlies many of the changes we've had to deal with in
> the past decade. There is a time and place for the latter, and it's good
> to have options available... but there are many times and places
> (especially in the Enterprise space) where the opposite is necessary,
> and it's FAR more reasonable to layer dynamic manipulation on top of a
> deterministically-configured core than the other way around.
>
>

On the other hand, most of the idea that the old config scripts were
deterministic and imperative was built on a large amount of hacks to
try and make it so. Having spent more time than I want dealing with
systems which seem to be just like everything else but coming up with
eth0 being eth4 (I am looking at you 40 Dell, HP and IBM boxes) on a
reboot half the time.. I have come to see that a lot of scripts are
full of race conditions and slowdowns to try and stop those race
conditions from happening. If anything messed up from a kernel change,
bios update, a switch update?, etc and you could be completely in the
weeds wondering why imperative was failing. It was failing because it
was never absolutely true.

The problem is that as hardware rollouts have grown larger and larger
spending time trying to figure out why 400 to 1000 out of 10,000
systems are weird.. is too much time. You want something which will
try to figure it out itself and do the 'right' thing.. even if it
means that eth4 on those 400 boxes are now the main interface versus
the eth0 on the 3600. And yes.. as an non-neurotypical person.. I find
that incredibly infuriating.. however I have also realized that most
businesses don't care I and others find it that way. They just want
those 10,000 to 100,000 systems to come up and work.

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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 network-scripts

2019-10-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 10:41, Valeri Galtsev  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2019-10-04 08:03, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Ljubomir Ljubojevic  said:
> >> Bridge for VM's is main reason I hate NM.
>
> +1
>
> My impression is younger generation doesn't value rules that programmers
> were following 2-3 decades ago. One of which is:
>

It is the same evolution you see in other industries. Auto mechanics
constantly complain about how the newer generation is 'dumber' for not
knowing the beauty of a vehicle that the mechanic had when they were
in their teens. [Of course they also rail on the fact that their
grandparents car was a complete junk that was too simple to work.]
Most of the tools we had 30 years ago in computers are like working on
a Model T era vehicle. They allowed for a lot of configuration choices
and fine tuning but they also were limited vastly in other ways. You
can't run a fleet of 1000 Model TT trucks made in 1923 as well as you
could 1000 1933 trucks. You ended up losing some of the knowledge of
hand-crafting your own gears but you got the ability to go faster,
carry heavier loads and better gas mileage without working as hard at
getting a mile out of a quart.

The transmissions of the 1933 were considered 'automatic' compared to
some 1912 vehicles.. even if you had a clutch because you no longer
had to get out and turn something to make it go in reverse. The
'truly' automatic transmissions of the 1950's were horrible and it
wasn't until the 1970's where they became 'liveable'. Today trying to
find a real stick shift is almost impossible as you find out that the
most are really talking to a computer which does the shifting when it
decides is optimal.

As that happens the place where a programmer makes changes goes higher
and higher. They no longer see a system by itself but see 10,000 nodes
sitting in some cloud. They really could care less if 10% of them drop
off because there is a tool which is going ot bring 1000 back online
when that happens. However they may still be worrying about making a
change 'low' level to them. It is just light years above where those
of us with only 10 or a 100 systems can dream about.

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Re: [CentOS] kpatch (live kernel patching) in CentOS 7.7?

2019-10-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 09:36, Phelps, Matthew  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:24 AM Stephen John Smoogen 
> wrote:
>

> Thanks for the explanation(s).
>
> I'm still puzzled why RedHat is doing it then, and making it more generally
> available (to paying customers even), if it's so dire a proposition that it
> will fail so badly, so often. That seems counter-intuitive to me.
>

Because they have kernel developers, qa, and other staff dedicated to
making that kpatch work? They have a large set of servers to test
different workloads? They have some time before the kernel is built
internally and when it is made available externally to do all this and
hand tune any problems found? Because big companies are paying a large
amount of money to make it work and so the extra labour is profitable?

In the past, all of this would be a challenge for people to come
together and show that they can also do it themselves... or improve on
something to make it so less labour intensive at parts. If that
happens, I am happy to have laid out the challenge :).

> Anyway, I again point out that the CentOS documentation should be made
> clear that this functionality won't ever be coming to CentOS.
>
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Re: [CentOS] kpatch (live kernel patching) in CentOS 7.7?

2019-10-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 08:18, Phelps, Matthew  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 6:33 AM Jim Perrin  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/3/19 9:35 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 13:52, Phelps, Matthew 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:42 PM Jim Perrin  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 10/3/19 1:32 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > >>>> Forgive me if this has been answered before and I've missed it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This https://access.redhat.com/solutions/2206511 says live kernel
> > >>> patches
> > >>>> will be available via yum updates as of RHEL 7.7. Is this carried
> > over to
> > >>>> CentOS 7.7.1908?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> The functionality should be available, but we don't provide patches in
> > >>> this way, no.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> What would it take to make this happen? This would be a huge help to
> > those
> > >> of us running servers. Not to mention it would make the world a more
> > secure
> > >> place :)
> > >>
> >
> > The short answer is "a team of kernel engineers, which we don't have".
> > Smooge's overview which I've left below is great at explaining some of
> > this:
> >
> >
> I don't understand. If RHEL is putting out patches, and CentOS is a
> recompile of RHEL, hasn't that "team of kernel engineers " already done the
> work?
>

No. because most of the work on making a patch is after the kernel is
compiled and working. Thus even though you have the same source code,
similar compilers etc.. there are going to be differences which have
to be looked at to make sure it is really working. A CentOS kernel is
not exactly the same as a RHEL kernel is not the same as a Oracle
kernel is not the same as the one you recompiled locally. From most
operational points they seem the same, but kernel patching is where
those differences really show up.

Yes it would be easy to set up some automated tool which 'made'
kpatches.. and I expect they may 'work' for most systems. But I also
expect that they would also eat babies more times than people would
like. If sites really need them, they can set up the tooling
themselves and make them work when they know they want it. Trying to
make it a general purpose answer for something which may corrupt data
5 or 20% or 40% of the time.. is just waiting to be on Slashdot daily
(wait do we do Slashdot anymore.. Reddit? nope the kids aren't there
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS8 and crypto-policies

2019-10-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 03:49, Todor Petkov  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I started playing with CentOS8 and I am trying to set default crypto
> policies for openssh server/client. In CentOS7 I followed the guide
> from https://infosec.mozilla.org/guidelines/openssh.html and set
> KexAlgorithms /Ciphers/MACs in sshd_config.
>
> In CentOS8 I can edit
> /usr/share/crypto-policies/$POLICY/opensshserver.txt for the sshd
> arguments, but editing openssh.txt or even changing default crypto
> policy to FIPS seems to not affect the client options (ssh -Q mac)
>
> Is the client supposed to be affected by these policies or they are
> only for the server?
>

There seem to be 2 files in that directory
./DEFAULT/openssh.txt
./DEFAULT/opensshserver.txt
./EMPTY/openssh.txt
./EMPTY/opensshserver.txt
./FIPS/openssh.txt
./FIPS/opensshserver.txt
./FUTURE/openssh.txt
./FUTURE/opensshserver.txt
./LEGACY/openssh.txt
./LEGACY/opensshserver.txt

So I would guess that you need to edit the openssh.txt for clients.
HOWEVER, the /etc/ssh/ssh_config will tell you that this is only last
default:

# Configuration data is parsed as follows:
#  1. command line options
#  2. user-specific file
#  3. system-wide file
# Any configuration value is only changed the first time it is set.
# Thus, host-specific definitions should be at the beginning of the
# configuration file, and defaults at the end.

If the user sets things differently on the command line or in their
.ssh/config file.. it will override your defaults.


Another thing.. to determine how the policies are set, I would
recommend reading through those config files. They will say that they
are looking to include data in /etc/ssh/ssh_config.d/* which has
/etc/ssh/ssh_config.d/05-redhat.conf on my system. Going into that..
it says it will attempt to

Include /etc/crypto-policies/back-ends/openssh.config

which will be pointing to the file you want. Since htat file might
change in an update, you may want to override settings by putting the
defaults you want in
01_site_defaults.cfg

which would then get read in before 05-redhat.conf and be the ones to use.




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Re: [CentOS] kpatch (live kernel patching) in CentOS 7.7?

2019-10-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 13:52, Phelps, Matthew  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:42 PM Jim Perrin  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 10/3/19 1:32 PM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> > > Forgive me if this has been answered before and I've missed it.
> > >
> > > This https://access.redhat.com/solutions/2206511 says live kernel
> > patches
> > > will be available via yum updates as of RHEL 7.7. Is this carried over to
> > > CentOS 7.7.1908?
> > >
> >
> > The functionality should be available, but we don't provide patches in
> > this way, no.

>
> What would it take to make this happen? This would be a huge help to those
> of us running servers. Not to mention it would make the world a more secure
> place :)
>
> Is it an upstream issue? No SRPMS available? Etc?
>
> Just trying to understand. I don't follow the centos-devel list. Has this
> been discussed there, or elsewhere?
>

There is a lot to go into making a correct kpatch. You have to
determine that you have a working kpatch (you can have one which works
on 1% and corrupts 80% and crashes 19%), you have to determine that
the patch fixes the problem (you can build patches which should do the
right thing but don't), and you have to determine that it doesn't add
in some sort of long term corruption of memory/disk/etc. That takes
specialized kernel expertise, a large amount of varied hardware to
test the patch on, some amount of time, and a very large test suite.

You can also only live patch a system so many times and in only
certain places. There are just some parts of the kernel which have to
be rebooted and others you can put in a patch which works but your
performance is going to be 25% of what it was before. There are other
places that if you patch.. that is it.. try another and you hardlock.
As much as some sites like to call it some sort of panacea for never
having to reboot again.. it is really meant to be a tourniquet to air
chopter the crash victim to a hospital. They may still not make it...
you are just giving them a chance.



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Broken Installation

2019-10-03 Thread John Pierce
The SCU in question is a *SAS* controller, so there's no AHCI mode, thats
for native SATA stuff, not for SAS stuff.



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Broken Installation

2019-10-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 07:25, Günther J. Niederwimmer  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Am Donnerstag, 3. Oktober 2019, 01:10:58 CEST schrieb Akemi Yagi:
> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:35 PM Günther J. Niederwimmer 
> wrote:
> > > This Board have 2 Controller!°
> > > 00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation C600/X79 series chipset
> > > SATA
> > > RAID Controller (rev 06)
> > >
> > > On this controller all drives are found and it is possible to create a
> > > Raid1!
> > >
> > > 07:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller: Intel Corporation C602 chipset
> > > 4-Port SATA Storage Control Unit (rev 06)
> > >
> > > But on this Contoller NO drives found?
> >
> > If you provide the device ID pairing [:] for the one that is
> > not working, it will become clear. Can you show us the output from:
> >
> > lspci -nn
> >
> > Is it this one?
> >
> > Serial Attached SCSI controller [0107]: Intel Corporation C602 chipset
> > 4-Port SATA Storage Control Unit [8086:1d6b]
> >
> > If so, the above device ID [8086:1d6b] is not supported in RHEL/CentOS
> > 8, unfortunately.
>
> ??
> Yes, I Have :-(
>
> 07:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller [0107]: Intel Corporation C602 chipset
> 4-Port SATA Storage Control Unit [8086:1d6b] (rev 06)?
>
> what is the Problem with this chipset and why it is no longer supported ??
>

The problem with the chipset is that the fake raid breaks under load
for some subset of users and trying to debug the file corruptions can
be impossible from the OS side. So you end up with a circle of finger
pointing where the user points to the OS manufacturer. The OS
manufacturer points to the hardware. The hardware will point to the
user for using the hardware outside of its specific 'recommendations'
which you thought was a EULA. After a long set of time.. no one is
happy and a lot of money/time was lost on something which can't be
fixed. So the hardware gets dropped from the OS vendor's supported
line to stop the circle. It doesn't make the customer any happier..
but they weren't going to be anyway.

> This Board is 4 year old and now???
>
> I mean it is in many server boards.
>
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>
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 Broken Installation

2019-10-02 Thread John Pierce
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:14 PM Günther J. Niederwimmer 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Is it a Plan to correct the Broken mdadm and or driver for Intel Chipset
> C602,
> my Server SuperMicro Board X9SRi-F have a Problem with the new C8 or RH8 ?
>
> With C7 I can install Centos with no Problem?
>
> Have any a workaround or is it planed a Update for this Problem
>

This is not a very specific problem report.   'a Problem' doesn't tell us
anything.   What exactly doesn't work?   since you mentioned mdadm, I'm
guessing you're having issues with SATA storage ?

does the motherboard have the latest BIOS? are the SATA controller(s) in
AHCI mode and not fake-RAID mode or legacy IDE emulation mode ?

are you using the native PCH connected SATA ports, or the SCU (SAS) SATA
ports?


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 package question

2019-10-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 11:16, Jerry Geis  wrote:
>
> I did a "yum search libssh2-devel" it says no matches found.
> I did a "yum search libssh2" it says name matched and libssh2.
>
> Where or how do install the -devel package for C8 ?

libssh2-devel was not shipped with RHEL. The package is built inside a
module and the -devel is a 'build-only' tool which doesn't get out of
the build system.  This is mainly because the libssh2 is only in there
to make an app work which I think is being rewritten to use libssh but
didn't make it in time. [While libssh looks like it is the version you
would replace with libssh2.. it seems to be the opposite.]

So at the moment, the package isn't shipped.



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Re: [CentOS] upgrading from CentOS 7 to 8

2019-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 14:00, MAILIST  wrote:
>
> > Your answer has nothing to do with the original question which is related
> > to upgrade method and not condition for reinstalling without loosing
> > data.
>
> After 40 years of upgrading many different operating systems,
> Windows (from 3.1 to 10), CentOS 6 to 8, Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat,
> AT Unix, VAX VMS; I have never observed an upgrade from one major
> version to the next to work.  The last one I tried using their "upgrade
> process" was Ubuntu 18 to 19.  Didn't work.
>

I would mostly agree with the added caveat.. it can be made to work,
but you need to do a LOT of work continually to make it happen.
Upgrade programs are usually tested for each Unix and Linux in the
following manner:

For A in Arch; do
For B in Hardware-Type; do
For X in Oldest_Supported_Major to Youngest_Supported_Major; do
For Y from Oldest_Support_Minor to Youngest_Supported_Minor; do
Install the OS-X.Y from original media.
(maybe) Make changes as listed in manual
(if you are lucky) Make known changes which broke major customer last time
Run upgrade to OS-N.0
Reboot.
If system boots; Pass else Fail; fi
Done; Done; Done; Done;

Fix all the Fails that you can.. or document that they can't be fixed
in tech support. That still probably takes several QA people days of
work to go through for an upgrade. Most systems that are lived in
quickly fall outside of the scope of what the upgrade tests can find
OR what the upgrade program can determine what to do. This is the main
reason why you should do a rollout of a new operating system with a
plan beyond yum --upgrade-system --YOLO

So to make it work, what you normally have to do is continually treat
your system like it could be nuked at any moment and you need to
rebuild it from whatever is latest. That takes a lot of controls and
work which most of us don't have time for. I have seen someone who has
incredibly strict rules on their CM upgrade a box from Red Hat Linux 5
to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 to show it can be done..[this was a box
with databases, website tools, etc etc.. the CM was larger than the
database dump]




> When a new major version of any o/s is released, I have found it best
> to save what application data I can, delete all partitions on the target
> boot disk, and then install from scratch.
>
> I learned years ago to keep application data out of system directories,
> ideally on a separate drive that can be mounted on the new installation.
> Yes, you do loose your settings, but that's why it would be wise to stick
> with the defaults, if possible.  Yes, the database is always in a system
> directory by default, so that's why you do a dump before the upgrade.
> My "cheat-sheet" of things to do during an upgrade is about 10 pages long.
>
> If you do have to restore from a backup, be sure you do not restore any
> system directories (like /etc/fstab).  I made this mistake, once!
>
> System admins must learn to bite the bullet on this part of their job.
>
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8: Multiple bugs with email/calendar

2019-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 10:17, Georgios  wrote:
>
> First of all thanks for your fast reply.
>
>
> Second.
> The server im trying to use is https://dav.mailbox.org/caldav I dont
> think its a problem with my configuration (although i can always be
> wrong). I suspect a bug in evolution because sometimes it works.
> Sometimes i manage to create an event sometimes i cant.
>
> I started evolution from a terminal and i noticed that when i fail to
> create an event i get the following message
>
> "(evolution:26852): libecal-CRITICAL **: 11:45:50.282:
> e_cal_component_alarm_set_description: assertion 'description->value !=
> NULL' failed"
>
> I tried without setting an alarm and i can create events with no
> problem!!
> So I filled a bug report https://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=16507
>

Thanks.

>
> Third.
> I have no idea if its a configuration problem. Newer flatpak versions
> work fine! I searched online and found this
> https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/issues/3076
>
> marked as enhancement!
>

That means it is meant to be worked on as a future enhancement to
allow. Beyond that I don't have any insight on what is happening.


> ps.Im wondering if evolution in Centos is going to have 5+ year life-
> cycle or if it gets upgraded earlier.
>

CentOS is a rebuild of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. If RHEL-8.N has an
upgraded Evolution, then CentOS 8.N should also have it.


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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 and Lynx

2019-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 09:20, david  wrote:
>
> Folks
>
> I find the Lynx browser does not appear in any of the repositories
> used during default installation of Centos 8 (x86_64).  Is this
> program no longer supported?  I didn't see a reference to it in the
> notsupported list.
>

The lynx command was moved over to the PowerTools repository (or
upstream to the Code Ready Builder).

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Re: [CentOS] SquidGuard update in EPEL

2019-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 05:56, Tony Mountifield  wrote:
>
> In article ,
> Nicolas Kovacs  wrote:
> > Le 01/10/2019 à 09:05, Liam O'Toole a écrit :
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > FWIW, the current release has squidguard 1.6
> > > https://packages.debian.org/source/stable/squidguard
> >
> > And this all begs the question: who's flying this plane?
>
> According to that page, the maintainer is Joachim Wiedorn, joodeb...@joonet.de
> I guess he could tell you!
>

Here is the googling I found
https://salsa.debian.org/joowie-guest/maintain_squidguard and
https://www.joonet.de/sources/squidguard/


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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8: Multiple bugs with email/calendar

2019-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 03:40, Georgios  wrote:
>
> Hi there!
> I recently installed centos 8 on my laptop.
>
> I have the following problems
>
> 1. I tried the use the default evolution 3.28.
> The problem with 3.28 is that when i try to create an event i get the error
> "Failed to create an event in the calendar “CalDAV : Calendar”"
> "Cannot create calendar object: Failed to put data: HTTP error code 400
> (Bad Request)"
>

That sounds like a configuration issue that your calendar server is
not liking the authentication that evolution sent. We would need to
know
1. what the calendar server you are trying to use
2. what the configuration and how you authenticate
3. what the error on the server side is.

> 2.I tried installing evolution from flatpak 3.34
> Calendar works fine! BUT cant use my yubikey to read my encrypted emails :-(
> For some reason flatpak seems unable to work with smartcards.
> Had the same issue with keepassxc and yubikey
>

Flatpacks are sandboxes to make sure that the rest of your account is
secure from each other https://xkcd.com/1200/ . You have to configure
what applications you want to be able to talk to your smart card or
yubikey because just allowing anything to talk to them just leads to
the xkcd.

That said, I do not know how to do this. My systems are pre-flatpak so
I have not dealt with this.


> 3.My third attempt was to use thunderbird from flatpak.
> I installed thunderbird through flatpak to see if i could overcome the
> flatpak yubikey problem.
> Thunderbird starts but then crushes with the following message
> "flatpak run org.mozilla.Thunderbird
> Gtk-Message: 09:15:00.372: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module"
> Gtk-Message: 09:15:00.372: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
> Gtk-Message: 09:15:00.372: Failed to load module "pk-gtk-module"
> Gtk-Message: 09:15:00.372: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
> "
>

Ouch. That should be reported to the flatpak place you got that from.
Those aren't created by centos.org so I am guessing gnome or
flatpak.org ?


> I would prefer to use evolution than thunderbird.
>
> Any ideas how to solve the calendar or flatpak and yubikey problem?
>
> Thanks in advance!!!
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Re: [CentOS] SquidGuard update in EPEL

2019-10-01 Thread John Pierce
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 12:00 AM Tru Huynh  wrote:

>
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/squidguard
> 1.6.0 as of today :D


so where is that coming from ?


here's debian changelog on that package,
https://sources.debian.org/src/squidguard/1.6.0-1/CHANGELOG/


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Re: [CentOS] SquidGuard update in EPEL

2019-10-01 Thread John Pierce
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 10:26 PM Nicolas Kovacs  wrote:

> Le 30/09/2019 à 17:53, Gwaland a écrit :
> > looks like it was updated due to a segfault.
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1750550
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1253662
>
> Now I'm even more puzzled.
>
> Fedora and EPEL sport SquidGuard 1.4.36.
>
> Now when you search for "squidguard", this seems to be the project site:
>
>   * http://squidguard.org/index.html
>
> This page hasn't been updated in ages and sports the "NEW" version 1.3.
>
> So apparently the project has been developed somewhere under the radar.
>
>
> huh, wikipedia says 1.4 came out in Jan 2009, over 10 years ago.  yet it
says thats the official site...

debian has squidguard 1.5-5
https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/squidguard

whoa, I even found a reference to a 1.5 source tar..gz on the squidguard
site, but its 404, the same directory only has 1.2 and 1.3.
I wonder if they got knocked offline and had to restore an archive or
something.  seems to be a mess.

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Re: [CentOS] SquidGuard update in EPEL

2019-09-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 02:34, Nicolas Kovacs  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The SquidGuard URL redirector has recently been updated in EPEL, and I'm
> a bit puzzled. I'm still using SquidGuard on a few local proxy servers
> running CentOS 7, because it's a nifty piece of software for filtering
> web traffic.
>
> The project's home page has remained unchanged for more than ten years:
>
>   * http://www.squidguard.org/
>
> It looks like the project has been dormant or dead for quite some time.
> I've been looking for a replacement for SquidGuard, but haven't been
> lucky yet.
>
> Anyone else has more information on SquidGuard, or suggestions for a
> replacement?
>

Is there a problem with the version which is in EPEL?




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Re: [CentOS] Missing packages in centos8 mirrors or do I miss something?

2019-09-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 05:24, LAHAYE Olivier  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I need to port OSCAR Cluster and SystemImager softwares to centos8, but I 
> miss a lot of package that seems to be built for centos-8.
> For example, I cant find docbook-utils and docbook-utls-pdf while I see them 
> here: https://koji.mbox.centos.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=651
>

So what was shipped in CentOS-8 matches what was shipped in RHEL-8.
Red Hat wanted to cut down the number of packages it would offer
different levels of support for so while packages are built they might
be shuffled into either BaseOS (strong support long lifetime),
AppStream (strong support short lifetime), Code Read Builder (no
support called PowerTools because Code Ready is a product line), and
not shipped.

so so docbook-dtds is in AppStream
docbook-utils is in  PowerTools

and docbook-utils-pdf is not shipped.

> I’ve installed epel-release and elrepo-release and centos-release-stream.
>
> Do I miss something or is it a matter of time due to mirro syncs?
>
> I misse btrfs packages, perl-Tk packages, docbook packages and many more that 
> I can find on https://koji.mbox.centos.org/koji/builds
>

perl-tk is in PowerTools
btrfs is in the NotShipped


> Where am I wrong?
>
> PS: I’m running CentOS-8 in docker (roboxes/centos8 wainting for official 
> centos:8 container). (I think that my issue is not related to the container 
> though as I can’t find packages on mirror repos.
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Re: [CentOS] How to dump/restore a CentOS 7 system

2019-09-25 Thread John Pierce
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 10:20 AM mark  wrote:

>
> Someone mentioned commercial software - I've cloned systems, esp. compute
> nodes in a cluster - with rsync.


Problem with rsync clones, they are asynchronous each file is copied
separately so if the system is live and making changes, for instance a
database server, the copy is not coherent.

the ZFS file system is perfect for this stuff, you can snap shot and then
ZFS send the snapshot or a delta between that snapshot and a previous
snapshot and that creates a totally coherent copy made at a single point in
time atomically.
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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

2019-09-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 17:09, Frank Cox  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 16:55:19 -0400
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
> > Nothing has changed since the September 16 answer I gave:
> >
> > This is more of a question for the EPEL lists versus here. The current
> > status is that desktops are harder to package up in EL8 and only a
> > less feature version is available at the moment. At the moment the
> > only one I know of is KDE is half implemented in EPEL Playground and
> > will be reimplemented as a module when EPEL gains the ability to do
> > modules. At that point interested people can also do the work to make
> > Mate/Cinnamon/etc available.
>
> Thanks ever so much for the update, even though as you say nothing much has 
> changed.
>
> Perhaps now that more people have their hands on Centos 8 and can work with 
> it the folks who know what they're doing for getting desktops running on EL8 
> (and I'm definitely not one of them) will be able to make further progress.
>
> I sincerely appreciate the update, though.  Since Mate is widely used, I 
> suspect other folks who follow this mailing list would also be interested 
> progress reports and release announcements when and if something becomes 
> available.
>

I am guessing that because CentOS releases only every 3-5 years,
people forget how much work is done at the beginning of every release.
First there is a lack of packages available. Then there is the
complaining that the OS is useless because it doesn't have ABC. Then
there is finding the people who are challenged enough by the lack of
packages to go learn how to package up stuff and make it available.
Then there is a section where packages get uniform and together. Then
things pretty much stay at that until the next CentOS major release...
people either decide they want to skip to the next or just wait it
out.

So currently we are in the finding out the lack of packages and the
complaining stage. The real challenge will be finding the people who
see that as a challenge versus a show-stopper and do the next steps.





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Re: [CentOS] Centos 8 Mate?

2019-09-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 15:41, Frank Cox  wrote:
>
> Without wanting to sound too pushy, I'm wondering if there is any update on 
> the status of Mate now that Centos 8 has been released?
>
> I would love to jump on C8 and start playing with it, but the lack of Mate is 
> kind of  a showstopper for me at the moment.
>

Nothing has changed since the September 16 answer I gave:

This is more of a question for the EPEL lists versus here. The current
status is that desktops are harder to package up in EL8 and only a
less feature version is available at the moment. At the moment the
only one I know of is KDE is half implemented in EPEL Playground and
will be reimplemented as a module when EPEL gains the ability to do
modules. At that point interested people can also do the work to make
Mate/Cinnamon/etc available.



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Re: [CentOS] updates repo for 8

2019-09-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 11:29,  wrote:
>
> I've checked a couple of mirrors and centos.org itself and I don't see 
> updates for the 8 repos yet. Is there a new location for updates now that 
> we're seeing the 8 repos or do I just need to wait for the repos to get a 
> chance to synchronize fully?
>
>

I believe updates will show up in the /os directory over time. The
/kickstart directory will be the snapshot 'stable' directory.


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Re: [CentOS] Brother HL-L2360DW printing quality

2019-09-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 20:23, H  wrote:
>
> I have the above printer but have not been able to resolve issues with the 
> printing quality in CentOS 7. The test page prints fine but when I print 
> PDF-documents, most recently using Chinese fonts, it is lacking and the pages 
> very hard to read. The settings in the Mate Cups configuration panel are fine 
> and set to 600 dpi, the settings in the printer menu are all OK yet it prints 
> more like maybe 150 or even 75 dpi.
>

Warning: this advise is old and possibly out of date for how printer
administration should be done these days.

Usually when I run into this sort of issue it usually has to be fixed
with an updated ppd driver from the vendor for that printer... usually
the one they give to Apple and possibly one that was aimed for the
country/area the language is not working on. I would then have to
double set the printer with one for Western fonts and one for
non-Western using 2 different ppds because things looked wrong one way
or another. In looking at the ppd's it looked like they had the
equivalent to microcode they sent the printer to update to do things
'better'. I can say the quality of printing was vastly different.

The other item was just that some fonts look great on screen and dont'
print well.. but I am guessing htis is one printer which is acting
badly and others are doing well?


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Re: [CentOS] UEFI booting

2019-09-19 Thread John Hodrien

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Simon Matter via CentOS wrote:


Just wondering, will it still boot if he then puts the disk back to the
other machine?


My understanding is yes, as this is just updating the EFI Boot Manager, which 
is stored in non-volatile storage on the motherboard.

If anyone knows better, feel free to poke holes in my limited understanding.

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Re: [CentOS] UEFI booting

2019-09-19 Thread John Hodrien

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Jerry Geis wrote:


I installed my first UEFI disk yesterday. Seemed to go fine. CentOS 7.6
x86_64
I then took that disk "out" of that machine and put it another machine - it
seems to not even boot.
I put the original disk back in that machine and it boots fine.

I put the UEFI disk back in the machine I built it on and it works fine.
They are similar machines either and i3 and i7.

Shouldn't that work?  Build a UEFI disk on machine A - move it to machine B?


I think the issue is that the UEFI firmware doesn't know which UEFI boot loader 
to load.  I think this should help:

https://noobient.com/2017/09/27/fixing-the-efi-bootloader-on-centos-7/

Boot into rescue mode, and run:

efibootmgr --create --label CentOS --disk /dev/sda1 --loader 
"\EFI\centos\shim.efi"

I think you then should end up in a happy place.  You can probably add that 
entry by hand within the UEFI config itself.

HTH,

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Re: [CentOS] What about Mate Desktop on Centos 8?

2019-09-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 18:18, Frank Cox  wrote:
>
> According to Twitter:
>
> https://mobile.twitter.com/CentOSProject/status/1173652996305170432
>
> "The next version of #CentOS is being released September 24 and will be 
> announced in all the usual places."
>
> I'm wondering about the status of the Mate Desktop.
>
> Looking under M here:
>
> https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/fedora/epel/8/Everything/x86_64/Packages/m/
>
> I don't see anything about Mate.  Which leads me to ask, what's its status 
> then?  I hope it hasn't died since that's what I use for all of my computers.
>

This is more of a question for the EPEL lists versus here. The current
status is that desktops are harder to package up in EL8 and only a
less feature version is available at the moment. At the moment the
only one I know of is KDE is half implemented in EPEL Playground and
will be reimplemented as a module when EPEL gains the ability to do
modules. At that point interested people can also do the work to make
Mate/Cinnamon/etc available.

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Re: [CentOS] why windows 10 can't access centos samba

2019-09-13 Thread John Pierce
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 8:42 AM qw  wrote:

> windows 7 supports smb3. If centos's samba server suport smb3, how to make
> windows 10 support smb3 too?
>
>
>
with min_protocol=SMB3,windows 7 will use SMB3_00, while windows 10
will use SMB3_11 and everyone should be happy.


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Re: [CentOS] why windows 10 can't access centos samba

2019-09-13 Thread John Hodrien

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019, m...@tdiehl.org wrote:


Why? This is NOT necessary for win 10 to work. I do not even know if it will
work with win 10 but for sure it is not necessary. You are actually 
suggesting going backwards.


You're spot on, sorry.  This was CentOS 6 samba3 advice, carelessly thrown out
for C7.

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Re: [CentOS] why windows 10 can't access centos samba

2019-09-12 Thread John Hodrien

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019, anax wrote:


As far as I remember, samba worked already with the first Windows 10
installation I had years ago.


https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4034314/smbv1-is-not-installed-by-default-in-windows

"In Windows 10 Fall Creators Update and Windows Server, version 1709 (RS3) and later 
versions, the Server Message Block version 1 (SMBv1) network protocol is no longer 
installed by default. It was superseded by SMBv2 and later protocols starting in 2007. 
Microsoft publicly deprecated the SMBv1 protocol in 2014."

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Re: [CentOS] why windows 10 can't access centos samba

2019-09-12 Thread John Hodrien

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019, qw wrote:


Hi,

I can access centos's samba via windows 7, but fail via windows 10. Why?


I'm pretty sure this is because the default Samba config doesn't enable SMB2.

Make sure this is set in your smb.conf and I think you should be good:

[global]
max protocol = SMB2

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Re: [CentOS] Need to update gcc to version >=6 on CentOS 7 ?

2019-09-11 Thread John Chludzinski
I don't suppose there's a collection that contains a version 7 of the
arm cross compiler: arm-linux-gnu-gcc ?

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:09 PM John Chludzinski
 wrote:
>
> Nope. Did that too.
>
> I’m up and running.
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 13:06 Gordon Messmer  wrot
>>
>> On 9/11/19 9:50 AM, John Chludzinski wrote:
>> > $ sudo yum install devtoolset-7
>> > No package devtoolset-7 available.
>> > Error: Nothing to do
>>
>>
>> You've skipped step #1: sudo yum install centos-release-scl
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Re: [CentOS] Need to update gcc to version >=6 on CentOS 7 ?

2019-09-11 Thread John Chludzinski
Nope. Did that too.

I’m up and running.

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 13:06 Gordon Messmer  wrot

> On 9/11/19 9:50 AM, John Chludzinski wrote:
> > $ sudo yum install devtoolset-7
> > No package devtoolset-7 available.
> > Error: Nothing to do
>
>
> You've skipped step #1: sudo yum install centos-release-scl
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Re: [CentOS] Need to update gcc to version >=6 on CentOS 7 ?

2019-09-11 Thread John Chludzinski
Ooops! for to:

$ sudo yum install centos-release-scl-rh

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:50 PM John Chludzinski
 wrote:
>
> $ sudo yum install devtoolset-7
>
> Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks
> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
>  * base: mirror.vcu.edu
>  * epel: mirror.siena.edu
>  * extras: mirror.vcu.edu
>  * updates: mirror.vcu.edu
> No package devtoolset-7 available.
> Error: Nothing to do
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:17 PM Gordon Messmer
>  wrote:
> >
> > On 9/11/19 9:05 AM, John Chludzinski wrote:
> > >
> > > How do I go about updating gcc to version 6 or greater on my CentOS 7
> > > machine? And do so safely?
> >
> >
> > The easiest way is going to be to use software collections:
> >
> > https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/devtoolset-7/
> >
> > devtoolset 7 will install gcc 7 in a directory in /opt, which will not
> > conflict or interfere with existing system packages. When you want to
> > use gcc 7, you'd start a new shell with a modified path and other
> > environment variables using:
> >
> >scl enable devtoolset-7 bash
> >
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Re: [CentOS] Need to update gcc to version >=6 on CentOS 7 ?

2019-09-11 Thread John Chludzinski
$ sudo yum install devtoolset-7

Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, langpacks
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
 * base: mirror.vcu.edu
 * epel: mirror.siena.edu
 * extras: mirror.vcu.edu
 * updates: mirror.vcu.edu
No package devtoolset-7 available.
Error: Nothing to do

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:17 PM Gordon Messmer
 wrote:
>
> On 9/11/19 9:05 AM, John Chludzinski wrote:
> >
> > How do I go about updating gcc to version 6 or greater on my CentOS 7
> > machine? And do so safely?
>
>
> The easiest way is going to be to use software collections:
>
> https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/devtoolset-7/
>
> devtoolset 7 will install gcc 7 in a directory in /opt, which will not
> conflict or interfere with existing system packages. When you want to
> use gcc 7, you'd start a new shell with a modified path and other
> environment variables using:
>
>scl enable devtoolset-7 bash
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[CentOS] Need to update gcc to version >=6 on CentOS 7 ?

2019-09-11 Thread John Chludzinski
I need to build u-boot on my CentOS 7 machine but encounter this:

> *** Your GCC is older than 6.0 and is not supported

I've updated the installation on my machine but the current version is:
> gcc (GCC) 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-36)

How do I go about updating gcc to version 6 or greater on my CentOS 7
machine? And do so safely?
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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 will be released soon?

2019-09-04 Thread John R. Dennison
On Wed, Sep 04, 2019 at 10:04:04AM +0530, Thomas Stephen Lee wrote:
> I doubt that releasing CentOS 7.7 is a higher priority as many people are
> using CentOS 7,

...

I'm not quite sure how to parse that...



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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 will be released soon?

2019-08-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 13:58, Alan Mead  wrote:
>
> On 8/24/2019 12:49 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 01:09, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
>  wrote:
>
> Good afternoon from Singapore,
>
> According to the CentOS 8 build timeline, everything has been completed 
> except release work. Does this mean CentOS 8 will be released soon?
>
> https://wiki.centos.org/About/Building_8
>
> It means dealing with a ton of little IRQ's that built up over the
> builds. There are all the updates which have gone out from Red Hat
> since their .0. There are trying to find all the little nagging things
> people find which someone will say 'Why didn't CentOS people actually
> find this blaringly obvious problem I found in 30 seconds.. are they
> all idiots?' which happens right after every release. And there are
> the 'ok could we get this one more thing?' stuff which pile up also.
> This happens in some every .0 release from 4 onward.. 2-3 weeks where
> people wonder why stuff is being held from them...
>
>
> No one called anyone an 'idiot.'
>
> Actually, I think several people (including myself) just don't know what 
> "Release work" means or what it means that the wiki says that the release 
> work is "Not started"
>
> So thanks for your unfriendly answer. It sounds like your speculation is that 
> there might be a release in 2-3 weeks.
>
>

I have had several people explain to me that my comments were
out-of-place and out-of-turn. When I wrote them originally I thought I
was going from experience of previous releases and thought I was being
matter of fact. In rereading I realized I was crass and grumpy. My
un-reserved apologies for that. I should have either not posted or
waited, reread and rewritten.


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Re: [CentOS] Slideshow/presentation software for CentOS

2019-08-25 Thread John Pierce
There's a web / cloud package, Prezi, that does very nice presentations, it
has some cool features, like letting you create a non-linear presentation
that has branches/forks where you can dive into deeper detail or skip on
the fly...Its free to use if you don't mind your presentation being
'public', the paid version lets you make private presentations and also
includes an offline player

http://prezi.com ...


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Re: [CentOS] CentOS 8 will be released soon?

2019-08-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 01:09, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
 wrote:
>
> Good afternoon from Singapore,
>
> According to the CentOS 8 build timeline, everything has been completed 
> except release work. Does this mean CentOS 8 will be released soon?
>
> https://wiki.centos.org/About/Building_8
>

It means dealing with a ton of little IRQ's that built up over the
builds. There are all the updates which have gone out from Red Hat
since their .0. There are trying to find all the little nagging things
people find which someone will say 'Why didn't CentOS people actually
find this blaringly obvious problem I found in 30 seconds.. are they
all idiots?' which happens right after every release. And there are
the 'ok could we get this one more thing?' stuff which pile up also.
This happens in some every .0 release from 4 onward.. 2-3 weeks where
people wonder why stuff is being held from them...


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Re: [CentOS] Giving full administrator privileges through sudo on production systems

2019-08-16 Thread John Pierce
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 8:39 PM Bagas Sanjaya  wrote:

> Why did you say it is wrong to give full admin privileges to random users?
>


$ sudo rm -rf /

$ sudo 

$ sudo cp /etc/{passwd,shadow} $home;   (run john-the-ripper against
passwd/shadow files).

etc etc etc.



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Re: [CentOS] Install tunctl on CetnOS 7 ?

2019-08-07 Thread John Chludzinski
EPEL doesn't have uml_utilities and NUX doesn't have tunctl.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:42 PM Jonathan Billings  wrote:
>
> On Aug 6, 2019, at 5:38 PM, John Chludzinski  
> wrote:
> > Which repo has tunctl for CentOS 7 ?
>
> It looks like uml_utilities, which is where it is in CentOS6 EPEL and Fedora, 
> isn’t built on CentOS7’s EPEL.  It looks like the Nux repo has a ’tunctl’ 
> package though.
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[CentOS] Install tunctl on CetnOS 7 ?

2019-08-06 Thread John Chludzinski
Which repo has tunctl for CentOS 7 ?
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Re: [CentOS] Question on server speed

2019-08-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 19:49, Warren Young  wrote:

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Stephen John Smoogen 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 13:17, Jerry Geis  wrote:
> >
> >> Why is it that "all" I am really doing at the moment is copying things
> to
> >> an external SSD disk USB3 connected and the machine "freezes"... Why is
> >> that?
> >>
> > You may have a motherboard which is routing a lot through a single USB
> > controller. When that happens your graphical workstation will slow down
> > because your keyboard and mouse events and some other polling has to
> > complete before it can do the next thing.
>
> Ridiculous if true.  Modern OSes solved the blocking I/O problem decades
> ago.
>
>
The OS can only do as much as the hardware allows. USB is usually given a
higher connection on the hardware because people get grumpy about mouse
jerkiness. Some motherboards will give you multiple USB controllers where
you have one which is highest priority so keyboard/mouse doesn't stop and
the other is on a lower priority bus for disk transfers. Other motherboards
stick them all on the same controller and you end up with everything frozen
while a large USB transfer occurs. It doesn't matter the OS you are running
when this happens the problems are in the hardware IO controllers and
usually can only be 'fixed' by firmware (if you are lucky). [Which is why
you can have 2 people with the 'same' motherboard unable to replicate each
others issues until you burn them all to the same firmware all through out
(and hope the manufacturer didn't change the MB somewhere in the runs.).

My next suggestion was similar to what you have below. See if plugging in a
different USB port mitigates the issue. If the mother board has a 2-3
vertical stacks, they sometimes have the furthest one from the keyboard on
a different bus. Also see what the lsusb and lspci commands say.. they can
sometimes point out a helpful hint.


> Consider: you may have a gigabit Ethernet connection to the Internet, and
> it is probably throttled to a small fraction of that speed by your ISP, yet
> you can be pumping hundreds of giga*bytes* per second to your SSD while
> your browser is blocked waiting for the remote server to respond.  Further,
> while one site is being slow to respond, another background Internet task
> can use the idled Internet connection.
>


> This is a symptom of a real problem, and it may be well worth chasing it
> to the ground.
>
> Jerry: Try another I/O channel for the same copy.  For example, what
> happens if you rsync the same file set to a remote machine, with the USB
> SSD connected to *that* machine?  Or, if you have a Thunderbolt or FireWire
> option, try that instead.  It might even be worth dropping a PCIe card into
> the machine for an alternative I/O path just to help diagnose this.  If
> nothing else, it might solve the problem.
>
> USB is a terrible standard, emblematic of everything wrong with the PC
> world.  We were sold USB-C as the grand unification of Thunderbolt and
> classic USB, but what we actually got are 6+ different and partially
> incompatible flavors of USB-C!
>
>
> https://people.kernel.org/bleung/how-many-kinds-of-usb-c-to-usb-c-cables-are-there
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Re: [CentOS] gem install reel on Centos 7

2019-08-05 Thread John Pierce
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 5:01 AM Jerry Geis  wrote:

> Thanks John for the info... I did that and now I'm missing a file.
> I tried to ask yum what package I need - but It did not know.
>
>
> Building native extensions.  This could take a while...
> ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
>
> /opt/rh/rh-ruby22/root/usr/bin/ruby -r
> ./siteconf20190805-94063-1gebs0u.rb extconf.rb
> mkmf.rb can't find header files for ruby at
> /opt/rh/rh-ruby22/root/usr/share/include/ruby.h


most typically .h files are included in a -dev package, but I dunno about
this one.   googling rh-ruby22, I find, oops, its EOL, and replaced with
rh-ruby23

https://www.softwarecollections.org/en/scls/rhscl/rh-ruby23/

btw, with the SCL stuff, note the "scl enable rh-ruby23 bash" command, that
spawns you a shell with that packages directories in the path... that might
make this work. see that page for more details, including a gem run.


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Re: [CentOS] Question on server speed

2019-08-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 13:17, Jerry Geis  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a customer server with 32 cores, 128G ram i7960X. So nice box...
>
> Why is it that "all" I am really doing at the moment is copying things to
> an external SSD disk USB3 connected and the machine "freezes"... Why is
> that?
>
>
You may have a motherboard which is routing a lot through a single USB
controller. When that happens your graphical workstation will slow down
because your keyboard and mouse events and some other polling has to
complete before it can do the next thing. THis has nothing to do with the
amount of RAM or cores in the system.. the hardware itself has been
designed to have a blocking unit on it as can be seen by the fact that
network logins are also freezing.




> clearly plenty of CPU RAM everything...
> I can see "blocking" to write data to the external disk - but there are 31
> other cores and plenty of memory to make it "seem" as nothing is happening
> right now.
>
>
Those 31 cores are waiting for the hardware backbus to be opened up for
writing. Until that happens they are just spinning. Some of this depends on
how the motherboard is designed and some of this may be x86 architecture
issues.



> Do I need to 'tweak' something to no see GUI freezes... Waiting on
> characters to show - even remoted in with SSH experiences the same thing -
> so its not just X.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
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Re: [CentOS] Peculiar process name in /proc

2019-08-05 Thread John Horne
On Mon, 2019-08-05 at 13:06 +0100, Giles Coochey wrote:
> On 05/08/2019 12:56, John Horne wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I was looking at a process through the '/proc' file system, and came across
> > a process name which seemed to contain a hex value:
> >
> > lrwxrwxrwx. 1 xymon xymon 0 Aug  2 14:07 /proc/58032/exe ->
> > /usr/sbin/xymond;5d44410e (deleted)
> >
> > I am aware of what the 'deleted' part means, but have no idea what the
> > ';5d44410e' part means. Is this some sort of thread reference?
> > The file '/usr/sbin/xymond' does exist and is running as a daemon.
> >
> > Anyone know what the ';5d44410e' is referring to? I have tried Googling
> > about this, but found no mention of it.
> >
> >
> I am not absolutely sure, but is it saying that /usr/sbin/xymond was
> deleted, but was located at that inode reference on the disk?
>
The hex number is quite large, and too big I suspect for the number of inodes
allowed on the partition.

> I know you say it exists, but perhaps it was deleted since running and
> then re-created? or perhaps it is an self-modifying executable?
>
I was going to say no to both of these, however the RPM package ('xymon') was
itself updated at around the time mentioned on Aug 02.
The hex number is equivalent to 1564754190 in decimal which, as an epoch time,
is '2019-08-02 14:56:30'. So it might be possible that '/usr/sbin/xymond' was
replaced and the hex number just indicates the time that occurred.

The downside is that the package update was a bit earlier than 14:56 though, so
the numbers don't seem to quite match up. Secondly, the whole xymon process was
restarted, but the server itself not rebooted, so I would expect all the
processes to be using the new executables rather than an older/deleted one. (I
am a little loath to restart the service at the moment as I may well lose the
info currently in '/proc/.../exe'.)



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[CentOS] Peculiar process name in /proc

2019-08-05 Thread John Horne
Hello,

I was looking at a process through the '/proc' file system, and came across a
process name which seemed to contain a hex value:

lrwxrwxrwx. 1 xymon xymon 0 Aug  2 14:07 /proc/58032/exe ->
/usr/sbin/xymond;5d44410e (deleted)

I am aware of what the 'deleted' part means, but have no idea what the
';5d44410e' part means. Is this some sort of thread reference?
The file '/usr/sbin/xymond' does exist and is running as a daemon.

Anyone know what the ';5d44410e' is referring to? I have tried Googling about
this, but found no mention of it.


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Re: [CentOS] browsers slowing Centos 7 installation to a crawl

2019-08-04 Thread John Pierce
On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 7:53 PM Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, John Pierce wrote:
>
> > are you running a name server on 192.168.0.1 ?   what that ipv6 address ?
>
> I expect that that is in the box with midco's router.
> Do not know about the ipv6 address.
> I was about to show to what I had changed resolv.conf,
> but something changed it back.  G.
> 
> Here is the current resolv.conf:
> > # Generated by NetworkManager
>
>
So you need to modify the source file that NetworkManager is using.
 somewhere in /etc/network or /etc/networking-scripts, a config file has
DNS0=192.168.0.1  or sokmething, or your system is getting that from DHCP

the web login on 192.168.0.1 is undoubtably your modem/router.


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Re: [CentOS] gem install reel on Centos 7

2019-08-04 Thread John Pierce
On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 6:21 PM Jerry Geis  wrote:

> Hi - I installed ruby for something...
> The instructions said to also do the comand:
>
> gem install reel
> ERROR:  Error installing reel:
> timers requires Ruby version >= 2.2.1.
> [root@devgeis ~]# ruby --version
> ruby 2.0.0p648 (2015-12-16) [x86_64-linux]
>
> Not sure what to do. Wait for Centos 8? Thoughts? Thanks,
>
>
>

Install CentOS SCLo RH repository:
  yum install centos-release-scl-rh

Install rh-ruby22-ruby rpm package:
  yum install rh-ruby22-ruby

currently 2.2.9, I think.


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Re: [CentOS] browsers slowing Centos 7 installation to a crawl

2019-08-04 Thread John Pierce
are you running a name server on 192.168.0.1 ?   what that ipv6 address ?


On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 3:53 PM Michael Hennebry <
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> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, John Pierce wrote:
>
> > your DNS settings are in /etc/resolv.conf, just like every other unix
> > system since forever.
>
> Much to my surprise, I found this:
> # Generated by NetworkManager
> search midcoip.net
> nameserver 192.168.0.1
> nameserver 2001:48f8:3004:2ce:5a19:f8ff:fe9e:a4bc
>
> I doubt it's the source of my problems,
> but the second line looks like something midco did to me somehow.
> I have noticed a midco search when I wasn't expecting one.
> My problems predate midco.
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Re: [CentOS] browsers slowing Centos 7 installation to a crawl

2019-08-04 Thread John Pierce
your DNS settings are in /etc/resolv.conf, just like every other unix
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Re: [CentOS] browsers slowing Centos 7 installation to a crawl

2019-08-04 Thread John Pierce
On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 11:16 AM Michael Hennebry <
henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, Frank Cox wrote:
>
> > What happens if you try browsing some websites with elinks?
>
> What is an elink?
>

elinks is a text mode browser,  as is links, and the venerable lynx




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[CentOS] nouveau problem

2019-08-02 Thread John Chludzinski
When I attach an external monitor to my new Dell Precision I always get
this and the monitor refuses to recognize video input. If I persist it
reaches a point where the machine will boot but won't bring up a login
prompt. I have to ssh to get in. And worst of all, it persisted after I
remove the external monitor and am forced to re-install CentOS (7.6.1810).

Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: [ cut here
]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: WARNING: CPU: 5 PID: 4929 at
drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nvkm/engine/disp/coregf119.c:181
gf119_disp_core_fini+0x107/0x160 [nouveau
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: Device: nouveau
  timeout
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: Modules linked in: tcp_lp
ext4 mbcache jbd2 fuse xt_CHECKSUM ipt_MASQUERADE nf_nat_masquerade_ipv4
tun devlink ip6t_rpfilter ip
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  irqbypass crc32_pclmul
ghash_clmulni_intel aesni_intel lrw gf128mul snd_hda_intel glue_helper
ablk_helper cryptd snd_hda_codec
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  e1000e drm crct10dif_pclmul
crct10dif_common libata crc32c_intel nvme serio_raw ptp rtsx_pci nvme_core
pps_core drm_panel_orie
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: CPU: 5 PID: 4929 Comm:
kworker/5:0 Kdump: loaded Tainted: GW  
3.10.0-957.27.2.el7.x86_64 #1
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: Hardware name: Dell Inc.
Precision 7530/0425K7, BIOS 1.8.2 04/26/2019
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: Workqueue: pm pm_runtime_work
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: Call Trace:
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
dump_stack+0x19/0x1b
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
__warn+0xd8/0x100
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
warn_slowpath_fmt+0x5f/0x80
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  [] ?
nv04_timer_read+0x57/0x70 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
gf119_disp_core_fini+0x107/0x160 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nv50_disp_chan_fini+0x23/0x40 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nvkm_object_fini+0xdf/0x250 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nvkm_object_fini+0x98/0x250 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nvkm_object_fini+0x98/0x250 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nvkm_object_fini+0x98/0x250 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nvkm_object_fini+0x98/0x250 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nvkm_client_suspend+0x13/0x20 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nvif_client_suspend+0x1a/0x20 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nouveau_do_suspend+0x147/0x2d0 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
nouveau_pmops_runtime_suspend+0x47/0xa0 [nouveau]
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
pci_pm_runtime_suspend+0x62/0x190
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
__rpm_callback+0x36/0x80
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
rpm_callback+0x24/0x80
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
rpm_suspend+0x121/0x650
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
pm_runtime_work+0x8a/0xc0
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
process_one_work+0x17f/0x440
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
worker_thread+0x126/0x3c0
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  [] ?
manage_workers.isra.25+0x2a0/0x2a0
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
kthread+0xd1/0xe0
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  [] ?
insert_kthread_work+0x40/0x40
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  []
ret_from_fork_nospec_begin+0x7/0x21
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel:  [] ?
insert_kthread_work+0x40/0x40
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: ---[ end trace
51db28c5c4c2e696 ]---
Aug 02 14:19:42 localhost.localdomain kernel: nouveau :01:00.0: disp:
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Re: [CentOS] [OT] odd network question

2019-08-01 Thread John Pierce
On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:53 PM Fred Smith 
wrote:

> 

reveals that of all the source addresses trying to poke at 48825,
> there are 193 unique addresses. Either this indicates a heck of a lot
> of sites having at my firewall, or that some few sites are all spoofing
> their addresses. I can sort of understand people whaling away at ports
> that may conceal gold, from their warped point of view, but I haven't a
> clue why so many people would be beating on some apparently unassigned
> and unused port.
>


distributed botnets  its all noise.




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Re: [CentOS] Installation question?

2019-07-31 Thread John Chludzinski
Intel all the way baby! (Sorry to say!)

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 7:18 PM Darr247  wrote:

> > Try booting from a live CD to see if that gives you any info.  TBH it
> sounds like a hardware issue.
>
>
> I concur; I'll wager a coffee on graphics driver.
>
> Is it a AMD, NVIDIA, or integrated Intel (or combination of 2 or all 3)?
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Re: [CentOS] Installation question?

2019-07-31 Thread John Chludzinski
After finally completing and trying to reboot, the machine goes into
"Emergency Mode" and asks that I log in as root. That fails and the machine
becomes completely unresponsive.

I tried the minimum install and got the same result.

Hard to diagnose an unresponsive machine.


On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 4:54 PM isdtor  wrote:

> Pete Biggs writes:
> > On Tue, 2019-07-30 at 13:24 -0400, John Chludzinski wrote:
> > > I've been doing a CentOS 7.6.1810 net-install since last night. The
> machine
> > > seems ok but has been stuck with "performing post-installation setup
> tasks"
> > > for hours. This is an old Dell T5400 box, so it isn't blazing fast but
> ...
> > >
> > > Is there a way to pull up its skirt (so to speak) and check/monitor the
> > > installation activity while installing it? Having already started the
> > > installation?
> > >
> > Yes, there are shells running on the alternative consoles, so if you
> > are doing a GUI install then do Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to the text console
> > - that console is the one running the install and may have some error
> > messages. Do Alt-F2 from there to get to a shell prompt with root
> > privileges, Alt-F3 for the anaconda log, Alt-F4 for the storage log,
> > Alt-F5 for other log messages and Alt-F6 to get back to the GUI
> > install.
>
> It is my experience too that starting with CentOS 7, "post-installation
> setup tasks" take up an inproportionate amount of time during. All I was
> able to find out was that the kickstart %post section was not the culprit.
>
> It would be nice to have some detailed documentation what these
> post-installation tasks actually are. ISTR a lot of dracut this and that
> showing up in top.
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[CentOS] Installation question?

2019-07-30 Thread John Chludzinski
I've been doing a CentOS 7.6.1810 net-install since last night. The machine
seems ok but has been stuck with "performing post-installation setup tasks"
for hours. This is an old Dell T5400 box, so it isn't blazing fast but ...

Is there a way to pull up its skirt (so to speak) and check/monitor the
installation activity while installing it? Having already started the
installation?

BTW, in the phase of the install process, is it still hitting the net?
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Re: [CentOS] initramfs annoyances (I think)

2019-07-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 16:50, mark  wrote:

> Leon Fauster via CentOS wrote:
> >
> >> Am 29.07.2019 um 22:37 schrieb J Martin Rushton via CentOS
> >> :
> >> On 29/07/2019 20:58, mark wrote:
> >>
> >>> Moved a server from the datacenter to our secure room. I've changed
> >>> the DNS, and our dhcpd... and yet, every time it boots, it comes up
> >>> with the IP it had in the datacenter.
> >>>
> >>> Any idea where it could be caching the IP - maybe in the initramfs?
> >>> C 7, updated.
> >>>
> >> Don't shoot the messenger, but have you checked
> >> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-* ?  For that matter, have you
> >> checked /var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases?
> >
> > or fixed IP from DHCP server?
> >
> Yep. ifcfg-em1 is set to dhcp.
>
> A bit more info: we're encrypted, and when it reboots, it can't find the
> tang server (using clevis/tang), so it hangs, and if I let it drop me to
> the emergency shell, I see the old IP address.
>
>
I know this one! The problem is that encrypted servers initrd.img have the
ip addresses set in them. I am not sure why it happens.. but it does.. I
had to manually edit the initrd.img and find all the places where the old
ip addresses were mentioned to make it work. You can't just make a new
initrd because it copies these configs over from the previous one. Pain in
the #@!$% @$$.



> I've been looking at this, and what's gotten really weird is that if I do
> a host tang on the server, it gives *two* different IPs... one of which
> has not been a dhcpd or tang server since last year. And tang is not
> in the organization DNS. So I'm sitting here, trying to figure out where
> it's getting both IPs from.  Our dhcpd server knows the correct tang
> server.
>
> And the /etc/hosts on the server consists of
> 127.0.0.1   localhost localhost.localdomain localhost4
> localhost4.localdomain4
> ::1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost6
> localhost6.localdomain6
>
> so it's not the hosts file.
>
>  mark
>  As I said, used the organizational lookup, and it doesn't find tang.
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Re: [CentOS] how to increase DNS reliability?

2019-07-25 Thread John Pierce
On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:32 AM hw  wrote:

> I can't help it when the primary name server goes down because the UPS
> fails
> the self test and tells the server it has 2 minutes or so left in wich case
> the server figures it needs to shut down.  I wanted better UPSs ...
>

critical infrastructure servers should have redudant PSUs, on seperate UPSs.

my last rack builds, I had 2 Eaton PowerWare 7KVA 4U UPS's in the bottom of
each rack.  one fed the left side PDUs, the other fed the right side PDUs,
and each server had redundant PSU's, one plugged into each PDU.

those Eaton UPS's had hotswappable batteries, too.


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