Re: [CentOS] CentOS Stream from bottom works, what is this?
The companies that pay for RHEL licenses for production and use CentOS for test
will be left with a large problem. They will either need to purchase double
the number of RHEL licenses and switch to RHEL for testing or go to another
distribution. RHEL + 1 will not work for testing application compatibility
with patches.
No company will want to pay double the amount they are currently paying for
RHEL licenses. This is not even addressing the cost and time it will take to
switch over all the test servers.
This will cost Red Hat credibility with major companies that they might never
recover from. This will cost Red Hat major business.
I will be recommending that my company change to Oracle Linux 8, instead of
upgrading to RHEL 8. We will get the same model we are currently using, Paid
support for production and free for test servers.
Andrea
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On 12/9/20 8:41 AM, Walter H. wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just tried installing a VM from the stream ISO and it worked;
>
> the only thing I would like to have changed as a default config is
>
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=" net.ifnames=0 ..."
>
> the reason, I find eth0, eth1, eth2 easier to use than cryptic names
> like ens33 or ens0p3 or so;
>
> Walter
>
> p.s. can someone tell in as short as possible what this CentOS Stream
> is in comparison to CentOS 8?
>
CentOS Stream is built from the currently released RHEL Source Code + 0.1
So if RHEL 8.3 is released .. Stream is the Source Code (built) that will
become 8.4 in a few months.
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Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
Many CentOS users are also RedHat customers. Those RedHat customers may
currently be rethinking their RedHat investment given this change of events.
We currently run Oracle Linux on a number of servers and have been very pleased
with it.
Andrea
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On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:58 AM Julio E. Gonzalez
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> I am already using Oracle Linux in some servers.
>
> Free as CentOS, faster updates than CentOS, and with some extra
> support, BTRFS and a newer kernel, for example.
>
>
>
I expect their usage is about to explode.
I've always feared a greater betrayal by Oracle than CentOS, but that clearly
isn't the case now.
On 12/8/20 12:15 PM, Pete Biggs wrote:
> >
> > Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to
> > make sure it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any
> > resources into it"
> >
> > So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now -
> > WhiteBox, Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left?
> >
> > P.
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Re: [CentOS] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
It appears that Red Hat has taken ownership of a free and opensource OS and is
now making decisions regarding it. Maybe it is time to look at Oracle Linux.
Andrea
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Forgive a bit of cynicism ...
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 09:06 -0500, Rich Bowen wrote:
> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just ahead of
> a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL 8, will
> end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that date,
> serving as the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
"If you want to keep using RHEL for free, you will have to put up with making
sure that our paying customers get better quality releases"
>
> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS
> Linux 7, and we’ll continue to produce that version through the
> remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle.
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/u
> pdates/errata/*Life_Cycle_Dates__;Iw!!JA_k2roV-A!TV5uC89TVscCRwr7zzXLD
> C5qXG9icBBoFhbvuzaIQd8c6FERiSUJfbDgNxr_uWxezw$
"If you really want to have a stable release for free, stick to 7"
>
> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
"CentOS will become the developer playground"
> And it removes confusion around what “CentOS” means in the Linux
> distribution ecosystem.
Was there any confusion? If there is, then it's caused by the introduction of
things like "CentOS Stream". There was never any confusion when it was a
straight rebuild.
>
> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option will
> be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from CentOS
> Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux releases.
> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage
> you to contact Red Hat about options.
"If you want a production environment, pay for it"
>
> We have an FAQ -
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://centos.org/distro-faq/__;!!JA_k2ro
> V-A!TV5uC89TVscCRwr7zzXLDC5qXG9icBBoFhbvuzaIQd8c6FERiSUJfbDgNxpK0XXHGg$ - to
> help with your information and planning needs, as you figure out how this
> shift of project focus might affect you.
The FAQ generally says "if you want a RHEL environment, then pay for it"
>
> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stre
> am-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux__;!!JA_k2roV-A!TV5uC89T
> VscCRwr7zzXLDC5qXG9icBBoFhbvuzaIQd8c6FERiSUJfbDgNxqzGbXGpw$ ]
>
Red Hat's perspective is "CentOS is ours now; IBM have told us to make sure
it's pulling its weight or we aren't allowed to put any resources into it"
So as far as I can see all the RHEL rebuilds are dead now - WhiteBox,
Scientific Linux, now CentOS. Are there any left?
P.
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Re: [CentOS] [CentOS-devel] https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/
We would also have to spend an extraordinary amount of work moving off CentOS.
We currently run it on production servers and would no longer be able to run it
if it was beta.
This will affect thousands of CentOS business users who use it because it is
stable and not a beta.
Andrea
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I agree this is shocking news. If we don't want to be beta testers and want to
continue to use a stable tested OS should we be moving to RHEL servers? Is
there a license-free RHEL server option that is the recommended path from using
CentOS?
Chris
On 12/8/2020 8:32 AM, Phelps, Matthew wrote:
> This is really, really bad for the majority of us using CentOS.
>
> Is there any way we can lobby for the reversal of this decision?
> Remember that the -devel mailing list, and IRC channels *do not*
> represent the vast majority of CentOS users. Most of us are just
> sysadmins trying to keep our systems that have been using CentOS for
> many, many years running and our procedures for installing, and
> patching systems working after whatever changes have been mysteriously
> decided upon, and forced on us.
>
> We will be forced to look at other distributions now; and forced to do
> a ton of unnecessary work to deal with this.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>> The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the next
>> year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild of Red
>> Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks just
>> ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild of RHEL
>> 8, will end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues after that
>> date, serving as the upstream (development) branch of Red Hat Enterprise
>> Linux.
>>
>> Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in CentOS
>> Linux 7, and we’ll continue to produce that version through the
>> remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle.
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/
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>> BOfyPCTEVw0n6aihwrcaaP0xx4AM5TH5uOcLw9UL5CTiBsA$
>>
>> CentOS Stream will also be the centerpiece of a major shift in
>> collaboration among the CentOS Special Interest Groups (SIGs). This
>> ensures SIGs are developing and testing against what becomes the next
>> version of RHEL. This also provides SIGs a clear single goal, rather
>> than having to build and test for two releases. It gives the CentOS
>> contributor community a great deal of influence in the future of RHEL.
>> And it removes confusion around what “CentOS” means in the Linux
>> distribution ecosystem.
>>
>> When CentOS Linux 8 (the rebuild of RHEL8) ends, your best option
>> will be to migrate to CentOS Stream 8, which is a small delta from
>> CentOS Linux 8, and has regular updates like traditional CentOS Linux
>> releases.
>> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are
>> concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage
>> you to contact Red Hat about options.
>>
>> We have an FAQ -
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>> to help with your information and planning needs, as you figure out how this
>> shift of project focus might affect you.
>>
>> [See also: Red Hat's perspective on this.
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-str
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Re: [CentOS] yum update security updates only
We utilize Spacewalk and the errata from https://cefs.steve-meier.de/ to
provide this function for CentOS.
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 6:02 PM Eric Chennells
wrote:
> Frank,
>
> Interesting thank you I didn't realize that. It used to be supported
> I believe, and there is a lot of out of date 3rd party documentation
> floating around google that suggests it does.
>
> Well it's just that many enterprises have policies which state that
> only security updates should be installed, which I suspect is exactly
> why that feature is no longer supported..
>
There are ways to get the metadata to do that, but it's still not officially
supported. And as for enterprises mandating only security updates, they
would/should pay for RHEL to get that kind of feature.
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Re: [CentOS] Boot failed on latest CentOS 7 update
" UEFI-related updates have had a history of making devices unusable, and
vendors will need to be very cautious."
https://eclypsium.com/2020/07/29/theres-a-hole-in-the-boot/
The fix for this vulnerability is complex and the fix will have different
results on different machines. The volunteers that support CentOS do the very
best they can to test patches, but they can't possibly test for everything.
If people have problems with the way patches are tested, maybe they should step
up to the plate and become part of the solution.
We should be offering our thanks to those who donate their time and energy to
supporting the CentOS project.
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It appears that it is affecting multiple distributions including Debian and
Ubuntu so it looks like the grub2 team messed up. See
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On 8/1/2020 6:11 PM, Marc Balmer via CentOS wrote:
>
>
>> Am 01.08.2020 um 23:52 schrieb Leon Fauster via CentOS :
>>
>> Am 01.08.20 um 23:41 schrieb Kay Schenk:
>>> Well misery loves company but still...just truly unfathomable!
>>> Time for a change.
>>
>>
>> I can only express my incomprehension for such statements!
>>
>> Stay and help. Instead running away or should I say out of the frying
>> pan and into the fire? :-)
>
> The thing, RHEL and CentOS not properly testing updates, cost me at minimum
> 3-4 full working days, plus losses at customer sites.
>
> This is really a huge failure of RHEL and CentOS.
>
> A lot of trust has been destroyed.
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Re: [CentOS] 8.2.2004 Latest yum update renders machine unbootable
RedHat is recommending not to patch.
https://access.redhat.com/solutions/5272311
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Il 31/07/20 13:08, ja ha scritto:
> On Fri, 2020-07-31 at 22:35 +1200, Alan McRae via CentOS wrote:
>> I am running an Intel x64 machine using UEFI to boot an SSD.
>>
>> Installing the latest yum update which includes grub2 and kernel
>> 4.18.0-193.14.2.el8_2.x86_64 renders the machine unbootable, blank
>> screen where grub should be, no error messages, just hangs.
>>
>> After some hours I managed to modify another bootable partition
>> (containing older software) and boot it from there.
>>
>> After that, I found out it is a known problem.
>>
>> The main point of this message is to make people aware of the problem
>> and suggest admins don't run 'yum update' until they understand the
>> problem and have a fix at hand.
>>
>> See 'UEFI boot blank screen post update' for a solution and
>> directions to the redhat article.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan
>>
> I have been punished by this bug - it is/was very nasty.
>
Me too. Luckily it happened on a test machine.
Sorry but seems that those packages were not tested before pushing them in the
update repo. Would be great to know what happened to the mainstream chains and
how a package like grub reached the update repo when it has serious problem
(genuine curiosity but not to blame them).
In my case, the restore procedure reported by RH in case of reboot does not
work and reports that the packages are already at the lowest version and that
the downgrade is not possibile. I don't know why.
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Re: [CentOS] mysql-connector-odbc i686 package
If you can find the RPMS, you could rebuild for I686.
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Hi all,
I am looking for a i686 package (32 bit) for mysql-connector-odbc. However, I
could locate only the x86-64 version on the repositories. Not much of a DB
person but trying to connect to a 64bit MySQL server on remote host.
Any suggestions where I can locate the i686 package? Is there a mariadb package
that I can use?
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Re: [CentOS] When will CentOS 8 be available for download?
RHEL 8 will be released during Redhat summit May 7-9.
Andrea
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On 4/10/19 3:51 PM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> When will CentOS 8 be available for download?
In *the future*
/me waves hands
Seriously. The CentOS developers rebuild RHEL, and RHEL 8 isn't available. We
don't know when it will be available. CentOS 8 certainly won't be available
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Re: [CentOS] elasticsearch connection refused
We can either set selinux to permissive (not suggested) or open a port.
Writing custom ports in selinux is not my specialty.
Andrea
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On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 14:26 +, Pete Biggs wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 14:17 +0000, Laack, Andrea P wrote:
> > Selinux will not allow connections on other than default http ports.
> >
> > semanage port -m -t http_port_t -p tcp 9200
>
> It's not a web server port - elasticsearch is a database.
>
Sorry, that was a bit abrupt - yes, it sort of looks like a web server.
Does selinux interpret it as such?
P.
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Re: [CentOS] elasticsearch connection refused
Selinux will not allow connections on other than default http ports.
semanage port -m -t http_port_t -p tcp 9200
Andrea
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Am 19.02.2019 um 13:55 schrieb Ionut Hoza:
> Hi Ralf,
>
> You should check you firewall configuration ... most probably you need
> to allow port 9200.
> Also check if elasticsearch service is listening on all interfaces or
> just localhost (127.0.0.1).
Hallo,
the firewall is disabled.
I tried several variations in the config-file.
0.0.0.0
192.168.242.4
Only 127.0.0.1 is working buth only withz local access.
Ralf
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