Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Sascha Folie]

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
Robert Heller  wrote:
> At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:39:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list
>  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Robert Heller wrote:
> > > OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for
> > > CentOS
> > > 6.
> > > And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it
> > > has become hard [for me] to use).
> > >
> > >
> > > What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not
> > > possible with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
> > >
> > What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID
> > MORONS made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and
> > find a gtk config file I needed to create.
> 
> That is one problem -- I want those arrows back. AND wider scrollbars
> (if that is possible -- skinny scrollbars might be fashonable, but
> are really hard to use).

I also had to look around for a solution because firefox seems to
ignore any changes to gtk3 themes.

Here is what works for me (change px as needed):

cat ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css

.scrollbar.vertical slider,
scrollbar.vertical slider {
min-width: 15px;
}

.scrollbar.horizontal slider,
scrollbar.horizontal slider {
min-height: 15px;
}


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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[James Pearson]

Robert Heller wrote:
> > Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click 
a file
> upload button.

I don't think you can blame Mozilla for that - Firefox ESR 60 uses the 
GTK3 file open/save dialogs - which don't by default do this. If you 
type Ctrl-L anywhere in the dialog box, it toggles a text input box

Unfortunately, I don't think there is any setting that displays this 
input box by default ...

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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[J Martin Rushton via CentOS]

On 27/06/2019 07:07, Rob Kampen wrote:
> On 27/06/19 7:58 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
>> OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for
>> CentOS 6.
>> And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has
>> become hard
>> [for me] to use).
>>
>> What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with
>> CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
>>
> I have been using Vivaldi for about 6 months now on my C7 workstation,
> ever since FF dropped the ball on an update and lost all my saved
> passwords. I only have the browser store passwords for non-important
> sites, but there were dozens of them, and I DO NOT back them up onto the
> cloud to be accessible to the great un-washed.
> 
> Vivaldi is not as media player friendly i.e. for video content, but to
> be fair I haven't spent much time trying to sort that out.
> 
> I find it has some nice tools for my development work / testing, however
> also some bugs as on occasion it will not open a link when I double
> click it in say an email - Vivaldi is set as the default browser. A stop
> and start of the browser sorts that problem. I typically keep my browser
> open for weeks, or until this fault causes too much frustration. It
> remembers all my open tabs so the restart is fairly painless.
> 
> HTH
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I've just installed Vivaldi and came across the video test page:
https://tekeye.uk/html/html5-video-test-page

If anything doesn't work (in my case it was the MPEG test) start Vivaldi
from the command line and it will tell you what steps to take.

When I re-ran the test MPEG was fine.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Pete Biggs]

> Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click a file
> upload button. The file upload browser both comes up too tall (taller than my
> screen [why?]) and lacks a place to start typing a file name, one *must*
> scroll down though (in my case) a long list of files and directories. It seems
> that the use of a keyboard is no longer supported. *Some* of us actually use
> our keyboards and don't like to point and click *all of the time* (or really
> much of the time or really at all). I know, the keyboard is a piece of
> depreciated hardware -- we are all supposed to be using touch screens with 
> only colorful icons -- actually typing file names is so 20th century... :-)

My experience, although it may depend on versions etc., is that if you
just start typing in the file upload browser, the search bar appears
and the list of "available" files narrows down until you get what you
want.

P.





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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Rob Kampen]

On 27/06/19 7:58 AM, Robert Heller wrote:

OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6.
And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard
[for me] to use).

What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with
CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).

I have been using Vivaldi for about 6 months now on my C7 workstation, 
ever since FF dropped the ball on an update and lost all my saved 
passwords. I only have the browser store passwords for non-important 
sites, but there were dozens of them, and I DO NOT back them up onto the 
cloud to be accessible to the great un-washed.


Vivaldi is not as media player friendly i.e. for video content, but to 
be fair I haven't spent much time trying to sort that out.


I find it has some nice tools for my development work / testing, however 
also some bugs as on occasion it will not open a link when I double 
click it in say an email - Vivaldi is set as the default browser. A stop 
and start of the browser sorts that problem. I typically keep my browser 
open for weeks, or until this fault causes too much frustration. It 
remembers all my open tabs so the restart is fairly painless.


HTH

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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:15:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> Robert Heller wrote:
> > At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:39:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Robert Heller wrote:
> >>
> >>> OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for
> >>> CentOS
> >>> 6.
> >>> And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has
> >>> become hard [for me] to use).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible
> >>> with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
> >>>
> >>>
> >> What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS
> >> made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk
> >> config file I needed to create.
> >
> > That is one problem -- I want those arrows back. AND wider scrollbars (if
> > that is possible -- skinny scrollbars might be fashonable, but are really
> > hard to use).
> >
> This is what I used.
> 


Does not work on my *CentOS 6* system (probably because I don't have gtk 3?).

> 
> > Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click a
> > file upload button. The file upload browser both comes up too tall (taller
> > than my screen [why?]) and lacks a place to start typing a file name, one
> > *must*
> > scroll down though (in my case) a long list of files and directories. It
> > seems that the use of a keyboard is no longer supported. *Some* of us
> > actually use our keyboards and don't like to point and click *all of the
> > time* (or really much of the time or really at all). I know, the keyboard
> > is a piece of depreciated hardware -- we are all supposed to be using
> > touch screens with only colorful icons -- actually typing file names is so
> > 20th century... :-)
> >
> They all think they're Managers, who don't type, only wave their hands and
> point. Or, as a friend put it, their "mama dresses them funny, and [they]
> need a mouse to delete files".

Ha!

> 
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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 26/06/2019 à 23:21, Valeri Galtsev a écrit :
> I guess, we all (old guys) still keep our warm feelings to Netscape
> Navigator.

In that case, just use Seamonkey, which is available for both CentOS 6.x
and 7.x.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Fred Smith]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 04:12:02PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 15:59, Robert Heller  wrote:
> 
> > OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS
> > 6.
> > And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
> > hard
> > [for me] to use).
> >
> > What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with
> > CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
> >
> >
> Long story short.. there aren't any that work well. The web standards are
> constantly changing, and you end up with a web browser where all the pages
> look like crap through little fault of the browser. Most browser teams get
> burned out and realize they are better off shaving yaks for sweater wool.
> Other teams do some level of good enough but they also have to keep up with
> newer things which means that trying to run it on EL6 is not going to be
> something they want to add to their pile of crap. They also tend towards
> keeping up with the Joneses so their interfaces will look like whatever is
> Firefox/Chromiums current layout.
> 
> In the end, there are three bad choices:
> 1. Keep an out of date and buggy browser you can work with.. set up the
> system to be as sandboxed as possible and assume it is always hacked.
> 2. Learn to love and/or help improve some text based browser. Since the
> graphical layouts will change constantly as GUI standards change.. this is
> where I am headed.
> 3. Try to find a browser out of the few remaining others that works.. most
> will want you to be running something much more modern than EL6 (and even
> EL7 is probably going to be too old for many).
> 4. Just use browsers as little as possible and decide to live out life as a
> yak herder. [OK this is probably where I am really headed]
> 
> Sorry I don't have happier answersS

I occasionally use Vivaldi (on C7) and find it to be a decent browser.
I don't know how or even if it works on C6.

A potential problem is that everybody (even MS!!) except firefox uses
the same browser engine, and that is one developed by Google who seems
determined to take over the web just like MS tried with IE.


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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[mark]

Robert Heller wrote:
> At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:39:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list
>  wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Robert Heller wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for
>>> CentOS
>>> 6.
>>> And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has
>>> become hard [for me] to use).
>>>
>>>
>>> What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible
>>> with CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
>>>
>>>
>> What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS
>> made the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk
>> config file I needed to create.
>
> That is one problem -- I want those arrows back. AND wider scrollbars (if
> that is possible -- skinny scrollbars might be fashonable, but are really
> hard to use).
>
This is what I used.


> Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click a
> file upload button. The file upload browser both comes up too tall (taller
> than my screen [why?]) and lacks a place to start typing a file name, one
> *must*
> scroll down though (in my case) a long list of files and directories. It
> seems that the use of a keyboard is no longer supported. *Some* of us
> actually use our keyboards and don't like to point and click *all of the
> time* (or really much of the time or really at all). I know, the keyboard
> is a piece of depreciated hardware -- we are all supposed to be using
> touch screens with only colorful icons -- actually typing file names is so
> 20th century... :-)
>
They all think they're Managers, who don't type, only wave their hands and
point. Or, as a friend put it, their "mama dresses them funny, and [they]
need a mouse to delete files".

   mark

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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Valeri Galtsev]

On 2019-06-26 15:39, mark wrote:

Robert Heller wrote:

OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS
6.
And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
hard [for me] to use).


What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with
CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).


What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS



My observation is: the bizarre at Mozilla Foundation started [quite a 
while ago] when one of the people who was here as a student (and I knew 
him personally) came to them as a production director. Then they started 
piling up extra "features", rushing new "releases", none of which does 
live up to the name "release", they are not debugged enough... just take 
a look how often security update for firefox or thunderbird are released.



Since then I am looking for the replacement for firefox, and I still can 
not find one. Midory though good enough, and is my second choice on my 
FreeBSD workstation, still can not replace firefox for me. Don't get me 
started about chrome, chromium and friends... though I have to use 
chromium for specific purpose: to have browser that can pretend to be on 
smarthone. Palemoon is just a rebuild of Firefox. Tor browser, though it 
is rebuilt of firefox as well, is my choice when I prefer to go places I 
don't want my network provider put into their database associated with 
my name. I'm sure many of us do similar things in a course of out job 
duties.


Vivaldy almost worked out as firefox replacement on MS Windows systems 
for me, but later I changed my mind.


I had really short, like touch and go, experience with opera. And I'm 
not mentioning Safari which is my second choice (after firefox) on 
macintosh. (Well, safari, as many other things on macintosh you 
sometimes need to trick into doing what you actually want it to do).



I guess, we all (old guys) still keep our warm feelings to Netscape 
Navigator.



Valeri


made
the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config
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A month or so ago, they upgraded, and I had to find out that I had to edit
about:config to change the booleans on signature to false.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Robert Heller]

At Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:39:12 -0400 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> Robert Heller wrote:
> > OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS
> > 6.
> > And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
> > hard [for me] to use).
> >
> >
> > What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with
> > CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
> >
> What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS made
> the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config
> file I needed to create.

That is one problem -- I want those arrows back. AND wider scrollbars (if that
is possible -- skinny scrollbars might be fashonable, but are really hard to
use).

Another is the *lack* of a place to *type* a file name when you click a file
upload button. The file upload browser both comes up too tall (taller than my
screen [why?]) and lacks a place to start typing a file name, one *must*
scroll down though (in my case) a long list of files and directories. It seems
that the use of a keyboard is no longer supported. *Some* of us actually use
our keyboards and don't like to point and click *all of the time* (or really
much of the time or really at all). I know, the keyboard is a piece of
depreciated hardware -- we are all supposed to be using touch screens with 
only colorful icons -- actually typing file names is so 20th century... :-)

> 
> A month or so ago, they upgraded, and I had to find out that I had to edit
> about:config to change the booleans on signature to false.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Valeri Galtsev]

On 2019-06-26 15:31, Robert Heller wrote:

At Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:12:07 +0800 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:







On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 15:58 -0400, Robert Heller wrote:

OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6.
And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
hard
[for me] to use).

What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with
CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).



You can give Midori a try


Excessively clever website, but there is no working download link for either
source or binary for Linux...  It is supposed to be available for Linux,
but it does not appear to actually be available.


You can download by clicking on the "Zip" link, here is direct link I 
get from their website:


https://github.com/midori-browser/core/releases/download/v6/midori-v6.0.tar.gz

It should be easy to build, I use it on mu FreeBSD workstation (as a 
second choice of a browser); I've installed it as FreeBSD package, so I 
didn't read build instruction/dependencies, but this may add to whatever 
build instruction the ship with source (it is for FreeBSD but it gives 
you all information you need):


https://www.freshports.org/www/midori/

Good luck!

Valeri




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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[mark]

Robert Heller wrote:
> OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS
> 6.
> And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
> hard [for me] to use).
>
>
> What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with
> CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
>
What's the problems? I just upgraded last week, and the STUPID MORONS made
the arrows in the scrollbars go away, had to search and find a gtk config
file I needed to create.

A month or so ago, they upgraded, and I had to find out that I had to edit
about:config to change the booleans on signature to false.

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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Robert Heller]

At Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:12:07 +0800 CentOS mailing list  
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 15:58 -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
> > OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6.  
> > And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
> > hard 
> > [for me] to use).
> > 
> > What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with 
> > CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
> > 
> > 
> You can give Midori a try

Excessively clever website, but there is no working download link for either 
source or binary for Linux...  It is supposed to be available for Linux, 
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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Earl Ramirez]

On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 15:58 -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
> OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6.  
> And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
> hard 
> [for me] to use).
> 
> What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with 
> CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
> 
> 

Pale moon is also one that I have used on CentOS


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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Earl Ramirez]

On Wed, 2019-06-26 at 15:58 -0400, Robert Heller wrote:
> OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6.  
> And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
> hard 
> [for me] to use).
> 
> What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with 
> CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 at 15:59, Robert Heller  wrote:

> OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS
> 6.
> And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become
> hard
> [for me] to use).
>
> What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with
> CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).
>
>
Long story short.. there aren't any that work well. The web standards are
constantly changing, and you end up with a web browser where all the pages
look like crap through little fault of the browser. Most browser teams get
burned out and realize they are better off shaving yaks for sweater wool.
Other teams do some level of good enough but they also have to keep up with
newer things which means that trying to run it on EL6 is not going to be
something they want to add to their pile of crap. They also tend towards
keeping up with the Joneses so their interfaces will look like whatever is
Firefox/Chromiums current layout.

In the end, there are three bad choices:
1. Keep an out of date and buggy browser you can work with.. set up the
system to be as sandboxed as possible and assume it is always hacked.
2. Learn to love and/or help improve some text based browser. Since the
graphical layouts will change constantly as GUI standards change.. this is
where I am headed.
3. Try to find a browser out of the few remaining others that works.. most
will want you to be running something much more modern than EL6 (and even
EL7 is probably going to be too old for many).
4. Just use browsers as little as possible and decide to live out life as a
yak herder. [OK this is probably where I am really headed]

Sorry I don't have happier answers


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[CentOS] Alternitives to Firefox...

[Robert Heller]

OK, I recently ugraded to the current ESR release of Firefox for CentOS 6.  
And I am having problems with the user interface (basically it has become hard 
[for me] to use).

What alternitives are there?  (Chrome and Chromium are not possible with 
CentOS, and Chrome and Chromium are actually worse).


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