Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Ljubomir Ljubojevic]

In the context of RHEL clones, I think we should use term "EL" instead
of "CentOS", that is now trademark owned by RH.

On 12/13/20 8:36 PM, Nikolaos Milas wrote:
> On 13/12/2020 1:05 μ.μ., Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> 
>> Just an update, name of the project will be "Lenix", and I missedin
>> announcement that unlike CentOS they plan to publish all the build tools
>> and environment so other clones can be built even if they stray, a very
>> commendable approach.
> 
> Sounds great!
> 
> It comes to mind that if Lenix and RockyLinux (and possibly other major
> forces) could merge and join efforts as a common project, the project
> could gain tremendous momentum very fast.
> 
> As was earlier mentioned, it is not easy to maintain such projects in
> the long term (despite goodwill), so joining forces would be quite safer
> for both the projects and the community, while it would also keep the
> community more focused, avoiding to disperse in multiple distros.
> 
> In any case, this is the kind of projects we would want to see, rather
> than large corporations' clones like OL.
> 
> And what I like is that there is so much energy in the CentOS community,
> that so important new projects are being announced in day zero after
> CentOS suicidal turn to Stream.
> 
> I am very confident that CentOS will live and prosper, but with a
> different name! (Unless IBM/RH **immediately** withdraw their announced
> plans and course of action.)
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Nikolaos Milas]

On 13/12/2020 1:05 μ.μ., Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:


Just an update, name of the project will be "Lenix", and I missedin
announcement that unlike CentOS they plan to publish all the build tools
and environment so other clones can be built even if they stray, a very
commendable approach.


Sounds great!

It comes to mind that if Lenix and RockyLinux (and possibly other major 
forces) could merge and join efforts as a common project, the project 
could gain tremendous momentum very fast.


As was earlier mentioned, it is not easy to maintain such projects in 
the long term (despite goodwill), so joining forces would be quite safer 
for both the projects and the community, while it would also keep the 
community more focused, avoiding to disperse in multiple distros.


In any case, this is the kind of projects we would want to see, rather 
than large corporations' clones like OL.


And what I like is that there is so much energy in the CentOS community, 
that so important new projects are being announced in day zero after 
CentOS suicidal turn to Stream.


I am very confident that CentOS will live and prosper, but with a 
different name! (Unless IBM/RH **immediately** withdraw their announced 
plans and course of action.)


Cheers,
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Ljubomir Ljubojevic]

Just an update, name of the project will be "Lenix", and I missedin
announcement that unlike CentOS they plan to publish all the build tools
and environment so other clones can be built even if they stray, a very
commendable approach.


On 12/10/20 8:05 PM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> Someone is smarter then Red Hat/IBM, "Carpe Diem":
> 
> Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux
> 
> (https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux)
> 
> CentOS is a fork of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and undoubtedly a
> popular choice to deploy on production servers because of its rock-solid
> stability and compatibility. But, now with CentOS Stream, Red Hat just
> killed CentOS as we know it. And as expected, people started to fork Red
> Hat to give a viable community-based alternative to RHEL.
> 
> 
> 
> As we already maintain CloudLinux OS, we plan to release a free,
> open-sourced, community-driven, 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL® 8
> (and future releases) in the Q1 of 2021. We will create a separate,
> totally free OS that is fully binary compatible with RHEL® 8 (and future
> versions). We will sponsor the development & maintenance of such OS. We
> will work on establishing a community around the OS, with the governing
> board from members of the community.
> 
> 
> Why We Are Doing It
> 
> We have all the infrastructure, software and experience to do that
> already. We have a large staff of developers and maintainers that have a
> decade of experience in building an RHEL fork, starting from RHEL5 to RHEL8.
> We expect that this project will put us on the map, and allow people
> to discover our rebootless update software and Extended Lifecycle
> Support offering.
> 
> 
> 
> What Will We Do To Make Sure That It Doesn't Go Wrong
> 
> We plan to make all the build and test software free, open-sourced, easy
> to set up, so if we ever go in the wrong direction - the community can
> just pick up where we left off.
> 
> 
> What It Means For You
> 
> If you are running CloudLinux OS 8 - it will continue to have stable and
> well-tested updates until 2029, and ELS releases for years after that.
> 
> 
> 
> If you are running CentOS 8 - we will release an OS very similar to
> CentOS 8 based on RHEL 8 stable. We will provide stable and well-tested
> updates until 2029 - completely free. You will be able to convert from
> CentOS 8 at any moment by running a single command that switches
> repositories & keys.
> 
> 
> Timeline
> 
> Q1 2021
> 
> 


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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Simon Matter]

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 2:07 PM Nicolas Kovacs  wrote:
>
>> Le 11/12/2020 à 17:14, Phelps, Matthew a écrit :
>> > My gut feeling is Oracle doesn't see Oracle Linux as a money maker,
>> apart
>> > from getting some support contracts from it, so they'll leave it be
>> for a
>> > while.
>>
>> I've just had a conversation with one of the Oracle Linux guys. I can't
>> really
>> quote him publicly, but since I've already had some good experiences
>> with
>> OL
>> ten years ago (when I installed the local motorway company's servers), I
>> guess
>> I'll just adopt a pragmatic approach and gradually move my servers to
>> Oracle
>> Linux.
>

I may also do the same thing and did a test install of OL8 and compared it
to CentOS 8. OL really looks nice and as expected very similar to CentOS.
Someone mentioned that KVM is a paid feature but I don't think that's
really the case, does someone know more?

Two things to mention are:
- The Oracle EPEL seems not fully up to date.
- DNF shows a weird behavior: 'dnf check-upgrade' shows .src packages
which is something I've never seen before. Any ideas why?

I've already updates our package monitoring to filter out .src pckages.

Apart from that I've tested most packages of our inhouse repo and didn't
see any issues.

That said, I'd really like to jump directly to RockyLinux but that's
something for the long run, not for today.

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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Frank Cox]

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:06:36 +0100
Nicolas Kovacs wrote:

> I've just had a conversation with one of the Oracle Linux guys. I can't really
> quote him publicly, but since I've already had some good experiences with OL
> ten years ago (when I installed the local motorway company's servers), I guess
> I'll just adopt a pragmatic approach and gradually move my servers to Oracle
> Linux.

I would be very interested in any observations or insights you can offer in 
regard to Oracle Linux and your experiences with it.

> BTW, migration script works nicely on 7.x and 8.x:
> 
> https://github.com/oracle/centos2ol

Now that's an extremely useful thing to know.

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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Victor Pereira]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 2:07 PM Nicolas Kovacs  wrote:

> Le 11/12/2020 à 17:14, Phelps, Matthew a écrit :
> > My gut feeling is Oracle doesn't see Oracle Linux as a money maker, apart
> > from getting some support contracts from it, so they'll leave it be for a
> > while.
>
> I've just had a conversation with one of the Oracle Linux guys. I can't
> really
> quote him publicly, but since I've already had some good experiences with
> OL
> ten years ago (when I installed the local motorway company's servers), I
> guess
> I'll just adopt a pragmatic approach and gradually move my servers to
> Oracle
> Linux.
>
> BTW, migration script works nicely on 7.x and 8.x:
>
> https://github.com/oracle/centos2ol
>
> Cheers,
>
> Niki
>
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 11/12/2020 à 17:14, Phelps, Matthew a écrit :
> My gut feeling is Oracle doesn't see Oracle Linux as a money maker, apart
> from getting some support contracts from it, so they'll leave it be for a
> while.

I've just had a conversation with one of the Oracle Linux guys. I can't really
quote him publicly, but since I've already had some good experiences with OL
ten years ago (when I installed the local motorway company's servers), I guess
I'll just adopt a pragmatic approach and gradually move my servers to Oracle
Linux.

BTW, migration script works nicely on 7.x and 8.x:

https://github.com/oracle/centos2ol

Cheers,

Niki

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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Victor Pereira]

On the other hand, I believe and seeing the glass half full, that this is
good to stir the waters a bit since it has been a long time since we saw
new Forks of Operating Systems that could be so important and that make the
communities work together again in something common without going through a
company.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:37 PM Phelps, Matthew 
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:30 AM Victor Pereira 
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Phelps, Matthew  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:07 AM Richard B. Pyne 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Considering that it is being spearheaded by the originator of CentOS,
> > > > with the original goals of CentOS (before being swallowed by RH then
> > > > IBM) as a stable, enterprise OS, I'm putting my support behind Rocky
> > > > rockylinux.org and would urge others to do the same.
> > > >
> > > > I've been around the Linux world for many years and looked at and
> tried
> > > > many distributions. Most of them are either unstable or bloated, or
> > both.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I'd trust Oracle to do is screw the computing
> community
> > > > any way possible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I agree. My current plan is to recommend we stay on CentOS 7 and switch
> > to
> > > Rocky Linux for version 8, maybe in a year or so.
> > >
> > > Worst case scenario is Red Hat kills CentOS 7 (which would *not*
> surprise
> > > me at all now) and we need to bridge the gap with Oracle.
> > >
> > > My gut feeling is Oracle doesn't see Oracle Linux as a money maker,
> apart
> > > from getting some support contracts from it, so they'll leave it be
> for a
> > > while.
> > >
> > > We shall see...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 12/11/2020 7:01 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> > > > > Le 11/12/2020 à 14:09, Liam O'Toole a écrit :
> > > > >> OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or
> hell
> > to
> > > > trust them.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I'm concerned, they're the good guys now.
> > > > >
> > > > > :o)
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> > I am not so sure that Oracle will do the same as RedHat ... as it has
> done
> > with other Communities that it has bought, I would honestly prefer
> > something 100% community and that it gives us the necessary business
> tools
> > to move to production 100% compatible systems, I think RockyLinux and
> what
> > CLoudLinux intends to do is good and gives a wide range of possibilities
> to
> > choose from.
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>
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Leon Fauster via CentOS]

Am 11.12.20 um 17:30 schrieb Victor Pereira:

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Phelps, Matthew 
wrote:


On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:07 AM Richard B. Pyne 
wrote:


Considering that it is being spearheaded by the originator of CentOS,
with the original goals of CentOS (before being swallowed by RH then
IBM) as a stable, enterprise OS, I'm putting my support behind Rocky
rockylinux.org and would urge others to do the same.

I've been around the Linux world for many years and looked at and tried
many distributions. Most of them are either unstable or bloated, or both.

The only thing I'd trust Oracle to do is screw the computing community
any way possible.



I agree. My current plan is to recommend we stay on CentOS 7 and switch to
Rocky Linux for version 8, maybe in a year or so.

Worst case scenario is Red Hat kills CentOS 7 (which would *not* surprise
me at all now) and we need to bridge the gap with Oracle.

My gut feeling is Oracle doesn't see Oracle Linux as a money maker, apart
from getting some support contracts from it, so they'll leave it be for a
while.

We shall see...




On 12/11/2020 7:01 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:

Le 11/12/2020 à 14:09, Liam O'Toole a écrit :

OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to

trust them.


As far as I'm concerned, they're the good guys now.

:o)


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I am not so sure that Oracle will do the same as RedHat ... as it has done
with other Communities that it has bought, I would honestly prefer
something 100% community and that it gives us the necessary business tools
to move to production 100% compatible systems, I think RockyLinux and what
CLoudLinux intends to do is good and gives a wide range of possibilities to
choose from.



Some one mentioned the already available Springdale Linux OS
made by Princeton University and IAS:

https://puias.math.ias.edu/

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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Phelps, Matthew]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:30 AM Victor Pereira 
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Phelps, Matthew 
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:07 AM Richard B. Pyne 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Considering that it is being spearheaded by the originator of CentOS,
> > > with the original goals of CentOS (before being swallowed by RH then
> > > IBM) as a stable, enterprise OS, I'm putting my support behind Rocky
> > > rockylinux.org and would urge others to do the same.
> > >
> > > I've been around the Linux world for many years and looked at and tried
> > > many distributions. Most of them are either unstable or bloated, or
> both.
> > >
> > > The only thing I'd trust Oracle to do is screw the computing community
> > > any way possible.
> > >
> > >
> > I agree. My current plan is to recommend we stay on CentOS 7 and switch
> to
> > Rocky Linux for version 8, maybe in a year or so.
> >
> > Worst case scenario is Red Hat kills CentOS 7 (which would *not* surprise
> > me at all now) and we need to bridge the gap with Oracle.
> >
> > My gut feeling is Oracle doesn't see Oracle Linux as a money maker, apart
> > from getting some support contracts from it, so they'll leave it be for a
> > while.
> >
> > We shall see...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 12/11/2020 7:01 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> > > > Le 11/12/2020 à 14:09, Liam O'Toole a écrit :
> > > >> OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell
> to
> > > trust them.
> > > >
> > > > As far as I'm concerned, they're the good guys now.
> > > >
> > > > :o)
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> I am not so sure that Oracle will do the same as RedHat ... as it has done
> with other Communities that it has bought, I would honestly prefer
> something 100% community and that it gives us the necessary business tools
> to move to production 100% compatible systems, I think RockyLinux and what
> CLoudLinux intends to do is good and gives a wide range of possibilities to
> choose from.
> --
> Victor
>

Totally agree.

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[Victor Pereira]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Phelps, Matthew 
wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:07 AM Richard B. Pyne 
> wrote:
>
> > Considering that it is being spearheaded by the originator of CentOS,
> > with the original goals of CentOS (before being swallowed by RH then
> > IBM) as a stable, enterprise OS, I'm putting my support behind Rocky
> > rockylinux.org and would urge others to do the same.
> >
> > I've been around the Linux world for many years and looked at and tried
> > many distributions. Most of them are either unstable or bloated, or both.
> >
> > The only thing I'd trust Oracle to do is screw the computing community
> > any way possible.
> >
> >
> I agree. My current plan is to recommend we stay on CentOS 7 and switch to
> Rocky Linux for version 8, maybe in a year or so.
>
> Worst case scenario is Red Hat kills CentOS 7 (which would *not* surprise
> me at all now) and we need to bridge the gap with Oracle.
>
> My gut feeling is Oracle doesn't see Oracle Linux as a money maker, apart
> from getting some support contracts from it, so they'll leave it be for a
> while.
>
> We shall see...
>
>
>
> > On 12/11/2020 7:01 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> > > Le 11/12/2020 à 14:09, Liam O'Toole a écrit :
> > >> OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to
> > trust them.
> > >
> > > As far as I'm concerned, they're the good guys now.
> > >
> > > :o)
> > >
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I am not so sure that Oracle will do the same as RedHat ... as it has done
with other Communities that it has bought, I would honestly prefer
something 100% community and that it gives us the necessary business tools
to move to production 100% compatible systems, I think RockyLinux and what
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Phelps, Matthew]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:07 AM Richard B. Pyne  wrote:

> Considering that it is being spearheaded by the originator of CentOS,
> with the original goals of CentOS (before being swallowed by RH then
> IBM) as a stable, enterprise OS, I'm putting my support behind Rocky
> rockylinux.org and would urge others to do the same.
>
> I've been around the Linux world for many years and looked at and tried
> many distributions. Most of them are either unstable or bloated, or both.
>
> The only thing I'd trust Oracle to do is screw the computing community
> any way possible.
>
>
I agree. My current plan is to recommend we stay on CentOS 7 and switch to
Rocky Linux for version 8, maybe in a year or so.

Worst case scenario is Red Hat kills CentOS 7 (which would *not* surprise
me at all now) and we need to bridge the gap with Oracle.

My gut feeling is Oracle doesn't see Oracle Linux as a money maker, apart
from getting some support contracts from it, so they'll leave it be for a
while.

We shall see...



> On 12/11/2020 7:01 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:
> > Le 11/12/2020 à 14:09, Liam O'Toole a écrit :
> >> OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to
> trust them.
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, they're the good guys now.
> >
> > :o)
> >
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Richard B. Pyne]

Considering that it is being spearheaded by the originator of CentOS, 
with the original goals of CentOS (before being swallowed by RH then 
IBM) as a stable, enterprise OS, I'm putting my support behind Rocky 
rockylinux.org and would urge others to do the same.


I've been around the Linux world for many years and looked at and tried 
many distributions. Most of them are either unstable or bloated, or both.


The only thing I'd trust Oracle to do is screw the computing community 
any way possible.



On 12/11/2020 7:01 AM, Nicolas Kovacs wrote:

Le 11/12/2020 à 14:09, Liam O'Toole a écrit :

OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to trust 
them.


As far as I'm concerned, they're the good guys now.

:o)


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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Tom Bishop]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 7:53 AM Scott Robbins  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 01:09:46PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Dec, 2020 at 07:48:25 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
>
> > > One assumes however, that this wouldn't happen with OEL, though one
> never
> > > knows.
> >
> > OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to
> > trust them.
>
> Yes, that's who I meant. And like you, I find myself unwilling to trust
> them.  :)
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> They are not the only ones, Springdale linux - https://puias.math.ias.edu
is an existing RHEL clone and have been around for sometime and there is
another in that appears to be spinning up sponsored by CloudLinux -
https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux


There may be others that will eventually get stood up also but there are
options today and additional ones coming on board shortly.
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 11/12/2020 à 14:09, Liam O'Toole a écrit :
> OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to trust 
> them.

As far as I'm concerned, they're the good guys now.

:o)

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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Scott Robbins]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 01:09:46PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Dec, 2020 at 07:48:25 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:


> > One assumes however, that this wouldn't happen with OEL, though one never
> > knows.  
> 
> OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to
> trust them.

Yes, that's who I meant. And like you, I find myself unwilling to trust
them.  :)

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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Liam O'Toole]

On Fri, 11 Dec, 2020 at 07:48:25 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:21:35PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Dec, 2020 at 13:12:26 -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > > +1
> > > Looks like between Springdale, Rocky and CloudLinux there will be options.
> > > Such a bad decision that RH made to do this...
> > 
> > True. I just hope that the various alternatives will pool their resources. 
> > History has shown that RHEL derivatives require a lot of effort to 
> > maintain. It would be a shame to dissipate that effort among a number of 
> > competing distros.
> 
> One problem has been that RedHat, when they see a clone is successful, will
> tend to hire the lead developer. This is what happened to Scientific Linux,
> back when CentOS was late with a release (one of the head developers had
> the temerity to get married around that time and somehow, that took some of
> his time).  Scientific Linux was gaining popularity and RH hired their head
> developer. This was before RH was bought by IBM.
> 

That's a good point. It's a perpetual whack-a-mole. But I prefer to whack an 
open-source mole rather than a proprietary one.

> One assumes however, that this wouldn't happen with OEL, though one never
> knows.  

OEL = Oracle Enterprise Linux? There is no reason in heaven or hell to trust 
them.
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Scott Robbins]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:21:35PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec, 2020 at 13:12:26 -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> > +1
> > Looks like between Springdale, Rocky and CloudLinux there will be options.
> > Such a bad decision that RH made to do this...
> 
> True. I just hope that the various alternatives will pool their resources. 
> History has shown that RHEL derivatives require a lot of effort to maintain. 
> It would be a shame to dissipate that effort among a number of competing 
> distros.

One problem has been that RedHat, when they see a clone is successful, will
tend to hire the lead developer. This is what happened to Scientific Linux,
back when CentOS was late with a release (one of the head developers had
the temerity to get married around that time and somehow, that took some of
his time).  Scientific Linux was gaining popularity and RH hired their head
developer. This was before RH was bought by IBM.

One assumes however, that this wouldn't happen with OEL, though one never
knows.  


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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Liam O'Toole]

On Thu, 10 Dec, 2020 at 13:12:26 -0600, Tom Bishop wrote:
> +1
> Looks like between Springdale, Rocky and CloudLinux there will be options.
> Such a bad decision that RH made to do this...

True. I just hope that the various alternatives will pool their resources. 
History has shown that RHEL derivatives require a lot of effort to maintain. It 
would be a shame to dissipate that effort among a number of competing distros.
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Re: [CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Tom Bishop]

+1
Looks like between Springdale, Rocky and CloudLinux there will be options.
Such a bad decision that RH made to do this...

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 1:05 PM Ljubomir Ljubojevic  wrote:

> Someone is smarter then Red Hat/IBM, "Carpe Diem":
>
> Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux
>
> (
> https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux
> )
>
> CentOS is a fork of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and undoubtedly a
> popular choice to deploy on production servers because of its rock-solid
> stability and compatibility. But, now with CentOS Stream, Red Hat just
> killed CentOS as we know it. And as expected, people started to fork Red
> Hat to give a viable community-based alternative to RHEL.
>
>
>
> As we already maintain CloudLinux OS, we plan to release a free,
> open-sourced, community-driven, 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL® 8
> (and future releases) in the Q1 of 2021. We will create a separate,
> totally free OS that is fully binary compatible with RHEL® 8 (and future
> versions). We will sponsor the development & maintenance of such OS. We
> will work on establishing a community around the OS, with the governing
> board from members of the community.
>
>
> Why We Are Doing It
>
> We have all the infrastructure, software and experience to do that
> already. We have a large staff of developers and maintainers that have a
> decade of experience in building an RHEL fork, starting from RHEL5 to
> RHEL8.
> We expect that this project will put us on the map, and allow people
> to discover our rebootless update software and Extended Lifecycle
> Support offering.
>
>
>
> What Will We Do To Make Sure That It Doesn't Go Wrong
>
> We plan to make all the build and test software free, open-sourced, easy
> to set up, so if we ever go in the wrong direction - the community can
> just pick up where we left off.
>
>
> What It Means For You
>
> If you are running CloudLinux OS 8 - it will continue to have stable and
> well-tested updates until 2029, and ELS releases for years after that.
>
>
>
> If you are running CentOS 8 - we will release an OS very similar to
> CentOS 8 based on RHEL 8 stable. We will provide stable and well-tested
> updates until 2029 - completely free. You will be able to convert from
> CentOS 8 at any moment by running a single command that switches
> repositories & keys.
>
>
> Timeline
>
> Q1 2021
>
>
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[CentOS] Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

[Ljubomir Ljubojevic]

Someone is smarter then Red Hat/IBM, "Carpe Diem":

Announcing Open-sourced & Community-Driven RHEL Fork by CloudLinux

(https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux)

CentOS is a fork of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) and undoubtedly a
popular choice to deploy on production servers because of its rock-solid
stability and compatibility. But, now with CentOS Stream, Red Hat just
killed CentOS as we know it. And as expected, people started to fork Red
Hat to give a viable community-based alternative to RHEL.



As we already maintain CloudLinux OS, we plan to release a free,
open-sourced, community-driven, 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL® 8
(and future releases) in the Q1 of 2021. We will create a separate,
totally free OS that is fully binary compatible with RHEL® 8 (and future
versions). We will sponsor the development & maintenance of such OS. We
will work on establishing a community around the OS, with the governing
board from members of the community.


Why We Are Doing It

We have all the infrastructure, software and experience to do that
already. We have a large staff of developers and maintainers that have a
decade of experience in building an RHEL fork, starting from RHEL5 to RHEL8.
We expect that this project will put us on the map, and allow people
to discover our rebootless update software and Extended Lifecycle
Support offering.



What Will We Do To Make Sure That It Doesn't Go Wrong

We plan to make all the build and test software free, open-sourced, easy
to set up, so if we ever go in the wrong direction - the community can
just pick up where we left off.


What It Means For You

If you are running CloudLinux OS 8 - it will continue to have stable and
well-tested updates until 2029, and ELS releases for years after that.



If you are running CentOS 8 - we will release an OS very similar to
CentOS 8 based on RHEL 8 stable. We will provide stable and well-tested
updates until 2029 - completely free. You will be able to convert from
CentOS 8 at any moment by running a single command that switches
repositories & keys.


Timeline

Q1 2021


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