[CentOS] Install without LVM -

2014-02-06 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA

How do I install from the centos 6.5 dvd without LVM? Nothing I have 
tried will permit me to make my own layout unless I accept LVM.

Bob

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Re: [CentOS] Install without LVM -

2014-02-06 Thread Digimer
On 06/02/14 02:44 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote:

 How do I install from the centos 6.5 dvd without LVM? Nothing I have
 tried will permit me to make my own layout unless I accept LVM.

 Bob

On EL7, you get a choice in anaconda. I'm not sure about EL7, I always 
select to create my own layout and simply don't configure LVM. In my 
case, I use clustered LVM on shared storage, so LVM on the host makes 
things confusing.

Of course, kickstart scripts are good. Automate the whole install and 
fine-grained control over partitioning.

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Re: [CentOS] Install without LVM -

2014-02-06 Thread Scott Robbins
On Thu, Feb 06, 2014 at 02:44:24PM -0500, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA 
wrote:
 
 How do I install from the centos 6.5 dvd without LVM? Nothing I have 
 tried will permit me to make my own layout unless I accept LVM.

Are you doing a text mode install?  That has some severe limitations now,
unless you create a kickstart file.

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Re: [CentOS] Install without LVM -

2014-02-06 Thread James A. Peltier
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| How do I install from the centos 6.5 dvd without LVM? Nothing I have
| tried will permit me to make my own layout unless I accept LVM.
| 
| Bob
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If not doing a graphical install you will be limited in many respects as to 
what you can do from a disk layout perspective.  I would also ask why it is 
that you are choosing not to use LVM which offers many bits of useful 
functionality over traditional partitions

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Re: [CentOS] Install without LVM -

2014-02-06 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA

On 06/02/14 15:16, James A. Peltier wrote:
 If not doing a graphical install you will be limited in many respects as to 
 what you can do from a disk layout perspective.
Yes, I found that out! I think I've finally convinced the installer to 
do it my way.

Thanks,

Bob

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Re: [CentOS] Install without LVM -

2014-02-06 Thread James A. Peltier
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| 
| Am 06.02.2014 21:16, schrieb James A. Peltier:
|  - Original Message -
|  | 
|  | How do I install from the centos 6.5 dvd without LVM? Nothing I
|  | have
|  | tried will permit me to make my own layout unless I accept LVM.
|  | 
|  | Bob
|  | 
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|  If not doing a graphical install you will be limited in many
|  respects as to what you can do from a disk layout perspective.
|  I would also ask why it is that you are choosing not to use LVM
|  which offers many bits of useful functionality over
|  traditional partitions
| 
| LVM does not offer *anything* sane if it is only blind LVM


It's statements like this that are most frustrating.  You have made assumptions 
as to what this person is trying to do rather than answering the question.  I 
answered the question and posed another question.  If he's asking one, it might 
be good to know why the question was asked in the first place.
 
| what benefits?
| that you can extend it with additional disks?
| nobody right in his mind would do that without have LVM on top of
| RAID

So, the fact that I use LVM on a single disk makes me out of my mind?  I do 
this because I may miscalculate the disk requirements for one mount point over 
another.  I don't have the traditional whole disk lv_root volume.  I have 
seperate LVs for /var, /home, /data, /local-scratch all of which can be resized 
at a whim.  Oh, and if I get a bigger disk (/data is on a whole disk LVM PV), I 
can just do a pvmigrate over to the bigger disk.  There are many useful reasons 
to have LVM.

| why? because *any* disk failure would be fatal
| having 3 disks that way you have *three times* more likely a complete
| data loss

Sure, here you are correct.  If you've gone and done something like place an 
Logical Volume across multiple single points of failure you've done something 
that may be seen as bad.  It's not our place to judge the decision, it's our 
place to offer possible solutions to the needs of the user.
 
| the ordinary uiser *doesn not* need LVM nor can he handle it proper
| the advanced user knows hat he is doing and could select it anyways

Define ordinary user in this context.  The user has made no statement to how 
ordinary they are.  They asked a question.  The question was answered and 
another question (mine) asked to try to figure out what the OP is trying to do.

| this was, is and will ever be a useless and often dangerous default

There is no proof that this is a dangerous default.  LVM works just fine while 
offering additional functionality whether used by the ordinary user or not.  
Offer up concrete evidence as to how LVM vs partitions is any less dangerous on 
any SPoF failure system.  I'd be interested to hear it as I myself have not run 
into problems with LVM in the past decade or so.  Ya, it used to be bad, but 
it's much, *much* better than it was.

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