Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Can you try to see if Fedora 27 has the same problem? If it has then > this is a problem that upstream needs to fix on EL releases. If it > isn't then I would lean more towards the motherboard/bios combo > saying something which says "my legacy support is iffy.. use EFI". I had no problem installing Fedora 27, so I guess the problem is my system. Oh well. Thanks for the help! -- Yves Bellefeuille ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
So is the end goal to have dual boot? You want to preserve the existing Cent OS installation on this drive and also install Cent OS 7? The biggest problem is the installer is really not very smart when it comes to this use case. It's friendly for Windows and macOS dual boot, but fairly well faceplants with dual boot Linux. So invariably you have manual surgery to do pre and post install, or suffer. Run 'efibootmgr' by itself, if you get boot entries the system is definitely UEFI booted. If you get an error, it's legacy/faux-BIOS booted. Certainly legacy boot is the easiest work around, but it can have an effect on various things including drive and video modes that might be different than UEFI booting. e.g. one of my older systems when booting legacy brings up the SSD in IDE mode not SATA, and the system is slower. And it can only use discrete GPU, the integrated GPU is unavailable. So I advise testing before committing to legacy mode. Also, rare, but not all UEFI systems come with a Compatiblity Support Module (fake BIOS), in which case you're stuck. Chris Murphy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:18 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > The only other thing I can think of is that the disk was already > formatted to GPT. In that case it has to be EFI. [I had a disk which > was GPT partitioned and removing that was quite a challenge as I had > done a 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10' and it still kept > coming up as GPT. I believe I had to run a different disk command to > really clean it.] > That didn't get rid of it because GPT keeps a secondary copy of header info at the end of the drive. To really get rid of it use a tool that wipes GPT headers, or a full wipe of the drive. gdisk has eXpert mode that has an option (z) to wipe GPT headers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#/media/File:GUID_Partition_Table_Scheme.svg ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018, 4:18 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > The only other thing I can think of is that the disk was already > formatted to GPT. In that case it has to be EFI. [I had a disk which > was GPT partitioned and removing that was quite a challenge as I had > done a 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10' and it still kept > coming up as GPT. I believe I had to run a different disk command to > really clean it.] > GPT has primary login at drive start, and backup location at drive end. To remove it requires wipefs -a /dev/ and it will remove the signature found in both primary and backup. Chris Murphy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018, 3:19 PM Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > I have a UEFI system, but I want to install CentOS on a MBR (not GPT) > hard disk. > Why? While the UEFI spec permits using MBR for booting, it's confusing because there's no actual single standard for MBR. There is for GPT. Anyway, all OS installers I'm aware of on multiple platforms enforce GPT for UEFI installations. > The installation program keeps telling me that I must create an "EFI > system partition on a GPT disk mounted at /boot/efi". > > I can't find a way to work around this. Is there a solution? > Yes, but it means giving bad advice. And that is to enable "legacy" OS support to present a faux BIOS to the booting system instead of exposing UEFI. It's bad advice because you have no good reason for wanting to use MBR, it's an arbitrary request. Chris Murphy ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On 15 February 2018 at 21:48, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > Stephen J Smoogen wrote: > >> OK wild guess on install options as sometimes they will do this but >> not say they did it. Try adding inst.gpt=false to the boot line. > > Sorry, that didn't work. Nor did installing CentOS 7 without a boot > loader, chroot-ing into it, and trying to install grub2 manually: > > grub2-install /dev/sda --target=i386-pc > grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg > Hmmm if that didn't work then there is something in the bootup which keeps telling grub/kernel you are an EFI only system. EL6 would have installed because EFI support at that point was mainly a "eh oh yeah we need to cover that?" type thing. EL7 should be clearer on this but it might have gone the other way. Can you try to see if Fedora 27 has the same problem? If it has then this is a problem that upstream needs to fix on EL releases. If it isn't then I would lean more towards the motherboard/bios combo saying something which says "my legacy support is iffy.. use EFI". After that it is usually what is the motherboard/bios level and is it updated type fixes then. >> Thank you for your patience on this. > > I didn't realize you were the culprit, so that's OK. ;-) > Well I am not the culprit.. it is just most of my ideas have been completely useless. > -- > Yves Bellefeuille > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
Stephen J Smoogen wrote: > OK wild guess on install options as sometimes they will do this but > not say they did it. Try adding inst.gpt=false to the boot line. Sorry, that didn't work. Nor did installing CentOS 7 without a boot loader, chroot-ing into it, and trying to install grub2 manually: grub2-install /dev/sda --target=i386-pc grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg > Thank you for your patience on this. I didn't realize you were the culprit, so that's OK. ;-) -- Yves Bellefeuille ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 06:45:51PM -0500, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > I am guessing because my drives were blank and smaller than 2 TB that > > it defaulted to MBR even when the system had a UEFI BIOS (as long as > > the firmware is in legacy mode). > > Right, the problem seems to arise if you already have partitions on > your MBR disk. Perhaps Fred Smith can confirm this. Well, it's been a couple of years, but as best I recall, I had two brand-new 1TB drives, intending to use them as RAID-1, and the BIOS was (should have been, it said it was) in legacy mode. I thought it was pretty weird that Anaconda wouldn't let me proceed beyond partitioning/ fs creation without setting up the EFI partition. Somewhat more recently, I got a new system at work, containing Win10 (not a factory installation, but freshly installed by my employer 'cause they don't trust factory installation) and it already had UEFI in legacy mode by the time I got it. so when I installed C-7 on it, I had none of that garbage about requiring the EFI partition, it just sailed smoothly past it. Go Figure! -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. --- Romans 5:8 (niv) -- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On 15 February 2018 at 18:45, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> I am guessing because my drives were blank and smaller than 2 TB that >> it defaulted to MBR even when the system had a UEFI BIOS (as long as >> the firmware is in legacy mode). > > Right, the problem seems to arise if you already have partitions on > your MBR disk. Perhaps Fred Smith can confirm this. > >> What is the partition table of the drive you are trying to install >> to? > > MBR, 240 GB (an SSD), with CentOS 6 already installed on a partition. > (There are also other partitions.) > OK wild guess on install options as sometimes they will do this but not say they did it. Try adding inst.gpt=false to the boot line. Thank you for your patience on this. > -- > Yves Bellefeuille > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > I am guessing because my drives were blank and smaller than 2 TB that > it defaulted to MBR even when the system had a UEFI BIOS (as long as > the firmware is in legacy mode). Right, the problem seems to arise if you already have partitions on your MBR disk. Perhaps Fred Smith can confirm this. > What is the partition table of the drive you are trying to install > to? MBR, 240 GB (an SSD), with CentOS 6 already installed on a partition. (There are also other partitions.) -- Yves Bellefeuille ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On 15 February 2018 at 18:29, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> OK I am going with documentation not being right and/or I have been >> very lucky with my installs. > > If you read > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/installation_guide/sect-disk-partitioning-setup-x86#sect-bootloader-mbr-gpt-x86 > carefully, it seems to say that if you have UEFI and an MBR hard disk > that already has partitions, you must reformat it to GPT. > > The documentation seems to say that Anaconda will use MBR only if the > disk is the right size (fewer than 2^32 sectors) *and* has no > partition. > I am guessing because my drives were blank and smaller than 2 TB that it defaulted to MBR even when the system had a UEFI BIOS (as long as the firmware is in legacy mode). What is the partition table of the drive you are trying to install to? > -- > Yves Bellefeuille > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > OK I am going with documentation not being right and/or I have been > very lucky with my installs. If you read https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/installation_guide/sect-disk-partitioning-setup-x86#sect-bootloader-mbr-gpt-x86 carefully, it seems to say that if you have UEFI and an MBR hard disk that already has partitions, you must reformat it to GPT. The documentation seems to say that Anaconda will use MBR only if the disk is the right size (fewer than 2^32 sectors) *and* has no partition. -- Yves Bellefeuille ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On 15 February 2018 at 18:05, Fred Smith wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 05:31:42PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> On 15 February 2018 at 17:19, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: >> > I have a UEFI system, but I want to install CentOS on a MBR (not GPT) >> > hard disk. >> > >> > The installation program keeps telling me that I must create an "EFI >> > system partition on a GPT disk mounted at /boot/efi". >> > >> > I can't find a way to work around this. Is there a solution? >> > >> >> If the installer is doing that then it usually means that the UEFI >> firmware is either >> a) not in BIOS compatibility mode >> b) does not respond in a way that Linux detects or >> c) the disk is larger than what BIOS compatibility mode will allow. >> >> Otherwise anaconda should default to MBR unless it finds the hardware >> does not know how to deal with MBR. >> >> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/installation_guide/chap-anaconda-boot-options >> > > I had the same issue back when I installed 7.x on this box. I couldn't > find a way around it, so I finally just went with the flow. > > I definitely DID have it in legacy mode, or at least the firmware's > GUI said I did. OK I am going with documentation not being right and/or I have been very lucky with my installs. The only other thing I can think of is that the disk was already formatted to GPT. In that case it has to be EFI. [I had a disk which was GPT partitioned and removing that was quite a challenge as I had done a 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=10' and it still kept coming up as GPT. I believe I had to run a different disk command to really clean it.] > > -- > Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - > "And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, > Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He > will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding > it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever." > --- Isaiah 9:7 (niv) > -- > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 05:31:42PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 15 February 2018 at 17:19, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > > I have a UEFI system, but I want to install CentOS on a MBR (not GPT) > > hard disk. > > > > The installation program keeps telling me that I must create an "EFI > > system partition on a GPT disk mounted at /boot/efi". > > > > I can't find a way to work around this. Is there a solution? > > > > If the installer is doing that then it usually means that the UEFI > firmware is either > a) not in BIOS compatibility mode > b) does not respond in a way that Linux detects or > c) the disk is larger than what BIOS compatibility mode will allow. > > Otherwise anaconda should default to MBR unless it finds the hardware > does not know how to deal with MBR. > > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/installation_guide/chap-anaconda-boot-options > I had the same issue back when I installed 7.x on this box. I couldn't find a way around it, so I finally just went with the flow. I definitely DID have it in legacy mode, or at least the firmware's GUI said I did. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - "And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever." --- Isaiah 9:7 (niv) -- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
Stephen J Smoogen wrote: > If the installer is doing that then it usually means that the UEFI > firmware is either > a) not in BIOS compatibility mode > b) does not respond in a way that Linux detects or > c) the disk is larger than what BIOS compatibility mode will allow. On the MBR disk, I already have a CentOS 6 partition which works well. I presume that means that there's no problem with the UEFI firmware, no? (The disk has 240 GB; size isn't the problem.) -- Yves Bellefeuille ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
Sometimes in bios it is called legacy mode Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> On 15 February 2018 at 17:19, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: >> I have a UEFI system, but I want to install CentOS on a MBR (not GPT) >> hard disk. >> >> The installation program keeps telling me that I must create an "EFI >> system partition on a GPT disk mounted at /boot/efi". >> >> I can't find a way to work around this. Is there a solution? >> > > If the installer is doing that then it usually means that the UEFI > firmware is either > a) not in BIOS compatibility mode > b) does not respond in a way that Linux detects or > c) the disk is larger than what BIOS compatibility mode will allow. > > Otherwise anaconda should default to MBR unless it finds the hardware > does not know how to deal with MBR. > > https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/installation_guide/chap-anaconda-boot-options > > > >> -- >> Yves Bellefeuille >> >> >> >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
On 15 February 2018 at 17:19, Yves Bellefeuille wrote: > I have a UEFI system, but I want to install CentOS on a MBR (not GPT) > hard disk. > > The installation program keeps telling me that I must create an "EFI > system partition on a GPT disk mounted at /boot/efi". > > I can't find a way to work around this. Is there a solution? > If the installer is doing that then it usually means that the UEFI firmware is either a) not in BIOS compatibility mode b) does not respond in a way that Linux detects or c) the disk is larger than what BIOS compatibility mode will allow. Otherwise anaconda should default to MBR unless it finds the hardware does not know how to deal with MBR. https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/installation_guide/chap-anaconda-boot-options > -- > Yves Bellefeuille > > > > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Install CentOS 7 on MBR hard disk
I have a UEFI system, but I want to install CentOS on a MBR (not GPT) hard disk. The installation program keeps telling me that I must create an "EFI system partition on a GPT disk mounted at /boot/efi". I can't find a way to work around this. Is there a solution? -- Yves Bellefeuille ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
