[CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread Olaf Mueller
Hello CentOS developer team,

thank you very much for the release of CentOS 5.6. I have upgraded my
server, notebook, netbook and workstation from 5.5 to 5.6 and
everything works really fine so far, CentOS 5.6 seems to be rock solid.

The only little problem happens on the upgrade of my server, since my
web server doesn't start after reboot. But this was easy to fix since
this error was known from the RHEL 5.6 upgrade.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669963


I am grateful for the CentOS Project. I like it's stability and
long-term support.


regards
Olaf

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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread fred smith
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 02:35:30PM +0200, Olaf Mueller wrote:
 Hello CentOS developer team,
 
 thank you very much for the release of CentOS 5.6. I have upgraded my
 server, notebook, netbook and workstation from 5.5 to 5.6 and
 everything works really fine so far, CentOS 5.6 seems to be rock solid.
 
 The only little problem happens on the upgrade of my server, since my
 web server doesn't start after reboot. But this was easy to fix since
 this error was known from the RHEL 5.6 upgrade.
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669963
 
 
 I am grateful for the CentOS Project. I like it's stability and
 long-term support.

I haven't seen a 5.6 release announcement yet. Have I missed it?

If the announcement in fact hasn't been made, you may be premature in
doing all your upgrading Just because there's something named 5.6
on the mirrors doesn't mean it's the FINAL release version, or that it's
all in place.

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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread Olaf Mueller
fred smith wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 02:35:30PM +0200, Olaf Mueller wrote:
 I am grateful for the CentOS Project. I like it's stability and
 long-term support.
 I haven't seen a 5.6 release announcement yet. Have I missed it?
I did not use the word announce in my post.
I do not know what you miss or what you not miss.
Also I do not know what your answer is good for.

$ cat /etc/redhat-release
CentOS release 5.6 (Final)
$ uname -a
Linux meduseld.istari.de 2.6.18-238.el5 [...]

The following was posted on the CentOS devel-list on 4.4.2011:
5.6 is going out to the external mirrors at the moment, I am going to
have torrents ready for later today and then maybe release 
announcement sometime tomorrow.

I downloaded the CentOS 5.6 isos from an official mirror recommended
from the official CentOS web site.

 If the announcement in fact hasn't been made, you may be premature in
 doing all your upgrading Just because there's something named
 5.6 on the mirrors doesn't mean it's the FINAL release version, or
 that it's all in place.
For someone who asked if he had missed something, you do know really a
lot of things. Seems to me you are more a man of word and discussion
than a man of action. Go and find CentOS 5.6 yourself.

Primary my mail in this list has had two purposes. First to thank the
CentOS developers for their work, secondly to warn for the httpd
problem. But now I have to add something.

The climate in this list is really rough. So many discussions about the
unfathomable development process of CentOS and so many angry people
waiting for the 5.6 release due to them by law of nature.
Why could you guys not go away? The door is open, there are so many
other distributions out there.
The fact that these guys will not go away and that they will fight their
battles in this list, and devel-list, is finally a compliment for the
CentOS project. CentOS is rock solid. The developers do a good and great
job.


regards
Olaf

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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 4/8/2011 3:25 PM, Olaf Mueller wrote:
 fred smith wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 02:35:30PM +0200, Olaf Mueller wrote:
 I am grateful for the CentOS Project. I like it's stability and
 long-term support.
 I haven't seen a 5.6 release announcement yet. Have I missed it?
 I did not use the word announce in my post.
 I do not know what you miss or what you not miss.
 Also I do not know what your answer is good for.

 $ cat /etc/redhat-release
 CentOS release 5.6 (Final)
 $ uname -a
 Linux meduseld.istari.de 2.6.18-238.el5 [...]

 The following was posted on the CentOS devel-list on 4.4.2011:
 5.6 is going out to the external mirrors at the moment, I am going to
 have torrents ready for later today and then maybe release 
 announcement sometime tomorrow.

 I downloaded the CentOS 5.6 isos from an official mirror recommended
 from the official CentOS web site.

 If the announcement in fact hasn't been made, you may be premature in
 doing all your upgrading Just because there's something named
 5.6 on the mirrors doesn't mean it's the FINAL release version, or
 that it's all in place.
 For someone who asked if he had missed something, you do know really a
 lot of things. Seems to me you are more a man of word and discussion
 than a man of action. Go and find CentOS 5.6 yourself.

 Primary my mail in this list has had two purposes. First to thank the
 CentOS developers for their work, secondly to warn for the httpd
 problem. But now I have to add something.

 The climate in this list is really rough. So many discussions about the
 unfathomable development process of CentOS and so many angry people
 waiting for the 5.6 release due to them by law of nature.
 Why could you guys not go away? The door is open, there are so many
 other distributions out there.
 The fact that these guys will not go away and that they will fight their
 battles in this list, and devel-list, is finally a compliment for the
 CentOS project. CentOS is rock solid. The developers do a good and great
 job.

I did not see anything wrong with the previous post.  He was just
pointing out that if it has not been officially announced that 5.6 is
available, then what is on the mirrors may not be complete.  If this is
the case, it may be the cause of the problem you are seeing.

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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread William Hooper
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Olaf Mueller daily-pla...@istari.de wrote:
 fred smith wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 02:35:30PM +0200, Olaf Mueller wrote:
 I am grateful for the CentOS Project. I like it's stability and
 long-term support.
 I haven't seen a 5.6 release announcement yet. Have I missed it?
 I did not use the word announce in my post.
 I do not know what you miss or what you not miss.
 Also I do not know what your answer is good for.

 $ cat /etc/redhat-release
 CentOS release 5.6 (Final)
 $ uname -a
 Linux meduseld.istari.de 2.6.18-238.el5 [...]

 The following was posted on the CentOS devel-list on 4.4.2011:
 5.6 is going out to the external mirrors at the moment, I am going to
 have torrents ready for later today and then maybe release
 announcement sometime tomorrow.

An this was posted to the CentOS twitter account yesterday 4/7
(shortly after having to re-issue the x86_64 ISOs):

http://twitter.com/CentOS/status/55950095505567745

Just want to also point out that CentOS-5.6 is *not* released. And
packages, ISOS are liable to change till that happens.

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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread Phil Schaffner
Olaf Mueller wrote on 04/08/2011 08:35 AM:
...
 The only little problem happens on the upgrade of my server, since my
 web server doesn't start after reboot. But this was easy to fix since
 this error was known from the RHEL 5.6 upgrade.
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669963

You have verified that CentOS is bug-for-bug compatible with upstream. :-)

That issue is noted in the Release Notes, Section 4, Know Issues:
http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS5.6

There are other potential issues lurking as 5.6 has yet to be officially 
released and some mirrors may be in inconsistent states due to 
last-minute changes.

Phil
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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread Les Mikesell
On 4/8/2011 4:22 PM, Phil Schaffner wrote:
 Olaf Mueller wrote on 04/08/2011 08:35 AM:
 ...
 The only little problem happens on the upgrade of my server, since my
 web server doesn't start after reboot. But this was easy to fix since
 this error was known from the RHEL 5.6 upgrade.
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=669963

 You have verified that CentOS is bug-for-bug compatible with upstream. :-)

 That issue is noted in the Release Notes, Section 4, Know Issues:
 http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS5.6

 There are other potential issues lurking as 5.6 has yet to be officially
 released and some mirrors may be in inconsistent states due to
 last-minute changes.

Is there some way for yum to know about that?

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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread Phil Schaffner
Les Mikesell wrote on 04/08/2011 05:33 PM:
 Is there some way for yum to know about that?

Only if it errors out on a bad package.  There have been (to my 
knowledge) two different types of errors.  One was a truncated package 
on the mirrors that was damaged in transit from the build system. The 
other is a package that had to be rebuilt. The version numbers for 
packages are not changing with the fixes.

Phil
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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread fred smith
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 09:25:00PM +0200, Olaf Mueller wrote:
 fred smith wrote:
 
  On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 02:35:30PM +0200, Olaf Mueller wrote:
  I am grateful for the CentOS Project. I like it's stability and
  long-term support.
  I haven't seen a 5.6 release announcement yet. Have I missed it?
 I did not use the word announce in my post.
 I do not know what you miss or what you not miss.
 Also I do not know what your answer is good for.
 
 $ cat /etc/redhat-release
 CentOS release 5.6 (Final)
 $ uname -a
 Linux meduseld.istari.de 2.6.18-238.el5 [...]
 
 The following was posted on the CentOS devel-list on 4.4.2011:
 5.6 is going out to the external mirrors at the moment, I am going to
 have torrents ready for later today and then maybe release 
 announcement sometime tomorrow.
 
 I downloaded the CentOS 5.6 isos from an official mirror recommended
 from the official CentOS web site.
 
  If the announcement in fact hasn't been made, you may be premature in
  doing all your upgrading Just because there's something named
  5.6 on the mirrors doesn't mean it's the FINAL release version, or
  that it's all in place.
 For someone who asked if he had missed something, you do know really a
 lot of things. Seems to me you are more a man of word and discussion
 than a man of action. Go and find CentOS 5.6 yourself.
 
 Primary my mail in this list has had two purposes. First to thank the
 CentOS developers for their work, secondly to warn for the httpd
 problem. But now I have to add something.
 
 The climate in this list is really rough. So many discussions about the
 unfathomable development process of CentOS and so many angry people
 waiting for the 5.6 release due to them by law of nature.
 Why could you guys not go away? The door is open, there are so many
 other distributions out there.
 The fact that these guys will not go away and that they will fight their
 battles in this list, and devel-list, is finally a compliment for the
 CentOS project. CentOS is rock solid. The developers do a good and great
 job.
 

Clearly you found my comment to be offensive. It certainly was
not meant that way. It was simply a friendly warning that depending
on a pre-announcement set of files may not give you the final product.

in previous releases there have been people who assumed it was final
when in fact something was subsequently changed and re-pushed.

I have no agenda here. I'm just attempting to be helpful. If you
don't find it to be helpful, you're free to ignore it.

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 While we were still sinners, 
  Christ died for us.
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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread Olaf Mueller
fred smith wrote:

 Clearly you found my comment to be offensive. It certainly was
 not meant that way. It was simply a friendly warning that depending
 on a pre-announcement set of files may not give you the final product.
Ok, I get the point now. Sorry Fred, my reaction was not appropriate.

You are right, my mail concerning the not yet official announced CentOS
5.6 was too early. This really could give rise to misunderstandings. So
your comment was helpful, thanks.


regards
Olaf

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Re: [CentOS] Many thanks and a little hint concerning httpd on 5.6

2011-04-08 Thread Olaf Mueller
William Hooper wrote:

 An this was posted to the CentOS twitter account yesterday 4/7
 (shortly after having to re-issue the x86_64 ISOs):
 
 http://twitter.com/CentOS/status/55950095505567745
 
 Just want to also point out that CentOS-5.6 is *not* released. And
 packages, ISOS are liable to change till that happens.
And this was posted on the CentOS announce list.

[CentOS-announce] Release for CentOS-5.6 i386 and x86_64
We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of CentOS-5.6 for
i386 and x86_64 Architectures.


regards
Olaf

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