Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2011 04:23 AM, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: > Greetings, > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Doug Coats > wrote: > > Your own instance of liferay/alfresco community edition exposed to > internet with the usual safegaurds perhaps... > > BTW, taking this example, what exactly are the usual "safeguards" > apart from enabling selinux in permissive mode and enabling > firewall with only http and ssh ports open? > > Some apps behave ugly in selinux enforcing mode. Any pointers? > > TIA > Which apps are behaving ugly with SELinux is in enforcing mode? Could you give me pointers to bugzillas? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk635KAACgkQrlYvE4MpobNNDACcC7QCkQt8cg/iwztcs6+NiL1T lxkAn1F/v6jMZasa6urauBfDWraDxDdB =zFp8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
Vreme: 11/07/2011 06:34 AM, Trey Dockendorf piše: > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Daniel Bird wrote: > >> On 06/11/2011 00:49, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: >>> Look into google 'apps' (which is really corporatized google documents). you edit your documents via your web browser, everything is hosted in googles cloud so its accessible everywhere. It supports written 'word' style documents, spreadsheets, presentations (powerpoint like) and a few other types. yes, it costs money per person per year (up to 25 users are free), but I'd have to assume there's an educational discount. >> Google apps for Education is free* >> http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/edu/ >> >> *in the UK at least; and "free" depends on your POV. >> >> D >> ___ >> CentOS mailing list >> CentOS@centos.org >> http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos >> > > > My College at Texas A&M University is also looking for such capability. > The issue we ran into is that Texas laws restrict where data can be stored > for use by state funded institutions. Ensuring data stays in Texas is > nearly impossible with "cloud" services, but apparently Google is willing > to make that happen. They have told my University that they will offer > their services for free. I would definitely look into it. I don't know > the specifics of how it's implemented, but I doubt they would require gmail > accounts, because we are looking to do it for our faculty/staff and we > already discourage use of Google services for work related material. They > will likely integrate it into whatever you already use. > > Unfortunately there aren't a lot of great open source solutions out there > for "cloud storage" that can compete with Google or others. Besides what's > already been mentioned there is Sparkleshare, http://sparkleshare.org/ . I > use it personally on Linux and OS X with ease, but the Windows portion is > still in beta. Another my organization attempted was iFolder, > http://www.kablink.org/ifolder. One I haven't worked with yet, but have > seen is http://owncloud.org/. Using Google Docs/Cloud or any external storage system has security issues, since you are not owner of your own files. If some security agency decides to browse your files, for any reason, because they feal like it, it is questionable if Google would stop them. And there are Vendor Lock-in issues as well. Using WebDav is much better. It is like direct access FTP server. And you can host it on your own server, having no access or ownership issues. One solution is for users to setup system wide WebDav access (so any app can access them), or to use for example http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/webdav-integration or http://code.google.com/p/ooo2gd/ LibreOffice/OpenOffice add-ons for easy access to documents from those/that Office bundle, or even simly using this guide: http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_a_Document_Using_WebDAV_over_HTTPS (less comfortable). WebDav is like FTP just a storage location, there is no vendor lock-in in documents you must use in order to access your data. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
Am Sat, 05 Nov 2011 19:34:09 -0500 schrieb Doug Coats : > This really isn't a CentOS specific queation but that is our server > OS of choice. > > I manage a student file server and i would like to add cloud access > to it. Basically i would like our students to have access to the > same files at home that they have at school. This would allow them > to start an asignment at home, finish it at school, and print it off > without having to worry about losing their usb drive. I want it > housed on our servers for backups and ease of access for our teachers > when necessary. > > I have looked at Moodle but it has way to many layers that we are > not interested in. I would like something like squirrel mail. A > simple web login that then gives you access to your samba managed > files. > > I have repeatedly searched for such capabilities but i have not found > any that fit what i outlined above. Is there such a program out > there? I think iFolder would do what you want (someone else mentioned it already). I don't know, though, if you need OES (Novell Open Enterprise Server) to make it useful in a larger environment with more users. It will take care of the synchronisation in the background. But I'm not so sure about the longevity of the project as such - I don't specifically track it, and it looks like not many updates got published over the last months... Rainer ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Daniel Bird wrote: > On 06/11/2011 00:49, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > > Look into google 'apps' (which is really corporatized google > > > documents). you edit your documents via your web browser, everything > > > is hosted in googles cloud so its accessible everywhere. It supports > > > written 'word' style documents, spreadsheets, presentations (powerpoint > > > like) and a few other types. > > > > > > yes, it costs money per person per year (up to 25 users are free), but > > > I'd have to assume there's an educational discount. > > > > Google apps for Education is free* > http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/edu/ > > *in the UK at least; and "free" depends on your POV. > > D > ___ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS@centos.org > http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos > My College at Texas A&M University is also looking for such capability. The issue we ran into is that Texas laws restrict where data can be stored for use by state funded institutions. Ensuring data stays in Texas is nearly impossible with "cloud" services, but apparently Google is willing to make that happen. They have told my University that they will offer their services for free. I would definitely look into it. I don't know the specifics of how it's implemented, but I doubt they would require gmail accounts, because we are looking to do it for our faculty/staff and we already discourage use of Google services for work related material. They will likely integrate it into whatever you already use. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of great open source solutions out there for "cloud storage" that can compete with Google or others. Besides what's already been mentioned there is Sparkleshare, http://sparkleshare.org/ . I use it personally on Linux and OS X with ease, but the Windows portion is still in beta. Another my organization attempted was iFolder, http://www.kablink.org/ifolder. One I haven't worked with yet, but have seen is http://owncloud.org/. - Trey ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On 06/11/2011 00:49, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote: > Look into google 'apps' (which is really corporatized google > > documents). you edit your documents via your web browser, everything > > is hosted in googles cloud so its accessible everywhere. It supports > > written 'word' style documents, spreadsheets, presentations (powerpoint > > like) and a few other types. > > > > yes, it costs money per person per year (up to 25 users are free), but > > I'd have to assume there's an educational discount. > > Google apps for Education is free* http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/edu/ *in the UK at least; and "free" depends on your POV. D ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Doug Coats wrote: > This really isn't a CentOS specific queation but that is our server OS of > choice. > > I manage a student file server and i would like to add cloud access to it. > Basically i would like our students to have access to the same files at home > that they have at school. This would allow them to start an asignment at > home, finish it at school, and print it off without having to worry about > losing their usb drive. I want it housed on our servers for backups and ease > of access for our teachers when necessary. If you really want the same access from outside, you could use openvpn or pptp, but then you have to support a whole assortment of network login issues from machines you don't control. > I have looked at Moodle but it has way to many layers that we are not > interested in. I would like something like squirrel mail. A simple web login > that then gives you access to your samba managed files. > SME server would have something like this built in. > I have repeatedly searched for such capabilities but i have not found any > that fit what i outlined above. Is there such a program out there? GUI wrappers over scp/sftp should work (winscp, fugu, etc.) should work if you open ssh. Even normal ftp via browser access should work. For something slightly fancier, you could use the file manager module from usermin, but it is java so it has a slow startup when you have to download the applet. It does seem odd that there is no common user-mode http server to access your own files. Does the "ubuntu one" service require ubuntu? -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On 11/05/2011 09:43 PM, Doug Coats wrote: I understand what google docs offers but it comes with the need for an email address that i can not make students have, the inability for me to control who has access to which files, and no way to get teachers access without each student configuring that on their own. My teachers have enough to worry about. They will not use a solution that is more difficult then what we already use. Any solution has to be a clear upgrade with advantages for it to be adopted. Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad How about OpenGoo, AKA Feng Office? (http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengoo/) It purports to provide a Google Docs-like experience but can be self-hosted. The community edition might give you a lot of what you want. YMMV! -- Jay Leafey - jay.lea...@mindless.com Memphis, TN ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On 11/06/11 5:00 AM, Doug Coats wrote: > That is exactly the search criteria i needed! I had never seen the term > before or at least didnt remember it. Thanks! document management systems almost always require that files be checked out and checked back in, much like a source code control system but usually a lot less automatic -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
That is exactly the search criteria i needed! I had never seen the term before or at least didnt remember it. Thanks! Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Toby Bluhm wrote: >On 11/5/2011 10:43 PM, Doug Coats wrote: >> I understand what google docs offers but it comes with the need for an email >> address that i can not make students have, the inability for me to control >> who has access to which files, and no way to get teachers access without >> each student configuring that on their own. My teachers have enough to >> worry about. They will not use a solution that is more difficult then what >> we already use. Any solution has to be a clear upgrade with advantages for >> it to be adopted. >> Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad >> > > >Try a search for "document management system open source." > >___ >CentOS mailing list >CentOS@centos.org >http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
I did look at alfresco but, like moodle, it has way more going on then I need. Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: >Greetings, > >On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Doug Coats wrote: > >Your own instance of liferay/alfresco community edition exposed to >internet with the usual safegaurds perhaps... > >BTW, taking this example, what exactly are the usual "safeguards" >apart from enabling selinux in permissive mode and enabling firewall >with only http and ssh ports open? > >Some apps behave ugly in selinux enforcing mode. Any pointers? > >TIA > >-- >Regards, > >Rajagopal >___ >CentOS mailing list >CentOS@centos.org >http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
Greetings, On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Doug Coats wrote: Your own instance of liferay/alfresco community edition exposed to internet with the usual safegaurds perhaps... BTW, taking this example, what exactly are the usual "safeguards" apart from enabling selinux in permissive mode and enabling firewall with only http and ssh ports open? Some apps behave ugly in selinux enforcing mode. Any pointers? TIA -- Regards, Rajagopal ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On 11/5/2011 10:43 PM, Doug Coats wrote: > I understand what google docs offers but it comes with the need for an email > address that i can not make students have, the inability for me to control > who has access to which files, and no way to get teachers access without each > student configuring that on their own. My teachers have enough to worry > about. They will not use a solution that is more difficult then what we > already use. Any solution has to be a clear upgrade with advantages for it > to be adopted. > Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad > Try a search for "document management system open source." ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
I understand what google docs offers but it comes with the need for an email address that i can not make students have, the inability for me to control who has access to which files, and no way to get teachers access without each student configuring that on their own. My teachers have enough to worry about. They will not use a solution that is more difficult then what we already use. Any solution has to be a clear upgrade with advantages for it to be adopted. Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad John R Pierce wrote: >On 11/05/11 6:29 PM, Doug Coats wrote: >> Thanks for all of your thoughts. I will look into gollem. The clients at >> school are windows 7. At home the clients might be any number of OS's. >> Eventually we might be using some sort of tablet devise probably Android >> based. > >see, another problem with a 'file' based solution is editing >software... ok, you have windows7 at school... what format are the >documents in, MS Office 2010 ? Users at home are going to have a >motley mix of older versions and other platforms, possibly not have the >same font sets, etc etc. The Google App approach bypasses this >entirely, the client editing software is the browser and the google app >Ajax stuff. The documents are the same regardless of what platform the >user is on. > > > >-- >john r pierceN 37, W 122 >santa cruz ca mid-left coast > >___ >CentOS mailing list >CentOS@centos.org >http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On 11/05/11 6:29 PM, Doug Coats wrote: > Thanks for all of your thoughts. I will look into gollem. The clients at > school are windows 7. At home the clients might be any number of OS's. > Eventually we might be using some sort of tablet devise probably Android > based. see, another problem with a 'file' based solution is editing software... ok, you have windows7 at school... what format are the documents in, MS Office 2010 ? Users at home are going to have a motley mix of older versions and other platforms, possibly not have the same font sets, etc etc. The Google App approach bypasses this entirely, the client editing software is the browser and the google app Ajax stuff. The documents are the same regardless of what platform the user is on. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
Thanks for all of your thoughts. I will look into gollem. The clients at school are windows 7. At home the clients might be any number of OS's. Eventually we might be using some sort of tablet devise probably Android based. Have any of you used Gollem? On Nov 5, 2011 8:16 PM, "Barry Brimer" wrote: ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
Vreme: 11/06/2011 01:56 AM, Barry Brimer piše: Have you looked at Gollem? http://www.horde.org/apps/gollem Where are clients for Windows/Linux/Mac? It should be transparent to Document Applications.., like virtual file system.. My mistake, I didn't recall the drive transparency requrement. He asked for something web based like squirrelmail. Does squirrelmail provide a virtual file system? Barry___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
Vreme: 11/06/2011 01:56 AM, Barry Brimer piše: > Have you looked at Gollem? http://www.horde.org/apps/gollem Where are clients for Windows/Linux/Mac? It should be transparent to Document Applications.., like virtual file system.. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
> I manage a student file server and i would like to add cloud access to > it. Basically i would like our students to have access to the same > files at home that they have at school. This would allow them to start > an asignment at home, finish it at school, and print it off without > having to worry about losing their usb drive. I want it housed on our > servers for backups and ease of access for our teachers when necessary. Have you looked at Gollem? http://www.horde.org/apps/gollem WebDAV / DAV could work too. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
Vreme: 11/06/2011 01:49 AM, Ljubomir Ljubojevic piše: > Vreme: 11/06/2011 01:41 AM, John R Pierce piše: >> On 11/05/11 5:34 PM, Doug Coats wrote: >>> This really isn't a CentOS specific queation but that is our server OS of >>> choice. >>> >>> I manage a student file server and i would like to add cloud access to it. >>> Basically i would like our students to have access to the same files at >>> home that they have at school. This would allow them to start an asignment >>> at home, finish it at school, and print it off without having to worry >>> about losing their usb drive. I want it housed on our servers for backups >>> and ease of access for our teachers when necessary. >> >> thats really not a cloud, thats just an internet accessible file server >> as you describe.the problem is, any system that involves downloading >> a file, editing it locally, and uploading it back to the file server >> will fail, as users won't remember to upload, and leave multiple >> versions scattered about. >> >> >> Look into google 'apps' (which is really corporatized google >> documents). you edit your documents via your web browser, everything >> is hosted in googles cloud so its accessible everywhere. It supports >> written 'word' style documents, spreadsheets, presentations (powerpoint >> like) and a few other types. >> >> yes, it costs money per person per year (up to 25 users are free), but >> I'd have to assume there's an educational discount. >> >> >> > > What about WebDav: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV ? This should > just what doctor ordered. > Some recomended clients: http://barracudaserver.com/products/BarracudaDrive/tutorials/mapping_windows_drive.lsp -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
Vreme: 11/06/2011 01:41 AM, John R Pierce piše: > On 11/05/11 5:34 PM, Doug Coats wrote: >> This really isn't a CentOS specific queation but that is our server OS of >> choice. >> >> I manage a student file server and i would like to add cloud access to it. >> Basically i would like our students to have access to the same files at home >> that they have at school. This would allow them to start an asignment at >> home, finish it at school, and print it off without having to worry about >> losing their usb drive. I want it housed on our servers for backups and >> ease of access for our teachers when necessary. > > thats really not a cloud, thats just an internet accessible file server > as you describe.the problem is, any system that involves downloading > a file, editing it locally, and uploading it back to the file server > will fail, as users won't remember to upload, and leave multiple > versions scattered about. > > > Look into google 'apps' (which is really corporatized google > documents). you edit your documents via your web browser, everything > is hosted in googles cloud so its accessible everywhere. It supports > written 'word' style documents, spreadsheets, presentations (powerpoint > like) and a few other types. > > yes, it costs money per person per year (up to 25 users are free), but > I'd have to assume there's an educational discount. > > > What about WebDav: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV ? This should just what doctor ordered. -- Ljubomir Ljubojevic (Love is in the Air) PL Computers Serbia, Europe Google is the Mother, Google is the Father, and traceroute is your trusty Spiderman... StarOS, Mikrotik and CentOS/RHEL/Linux consultant ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On Sat, 2011-11-05 at 19:34 -0500, Doug Coats wrote: > This really isn't a CentOS specific queation but that is our server OS of > choice. > > I manage a student file server and i would like to add cloud access to it. > Basically i would like our students to have access to the same files at home > that they have at school. This would allow them to start an asignment at > home, finish it at school, and print it off without having to worry about > losing their usb drive. I want it housed on our servers for backups and ease > of access for our teachers when necessary. > > I have looked at Moodle but it has way to many layers that we are not > interested in. I would like something like squirrel mail. A simple web login > that then gives you access to your samba managed files. > > I have repeatedly searched for such capabilities but i have not found any > that fit what i outlined above. Is there such a program out there? > > Thanks for your thoughts! sounds like webdav is what you want Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] School cloud solution
On 11/05/11 5:34 PM, Doug Coats wrote: > This really isn't a CentOS specific queation but that is our server OS of > choice. > > I manage a student file server and i would like to add cloud access to it. > Basically i would like our students to have access to the same files at home > that they have at school. This would allow them to start an asignment at > home, finish it at school, and print it off without having to worry about > losing their usb drive. I want it housed on our servers for backups and ease > of access for our teachers when necessary. thats really not a cloud, thats just an internet accessible file server as you describe.the problem is, any system that involves downloading a file, editing it locally, and uploading it back to the file server will fail, as users won't remember to upload, and leave multiple versions scattered about. Look into google 'apps' (which is really corporatized google documents). you edit your documents via your web browser, everything is hosted in googles cloud so its accessible everywhere. It supports written 'word' style documents, spreadsheets, presentations (powerpoint like) and a few other types. yes, it costs money per person per year (up to 25 users are free), but I'd have to assume there's an educational discount. -- john r pierceN 37, W 122 santa cruz ca mid-left coast ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] School cloud solution
This really isn't a CentOS specific queation but that is our server OS of choice. I manage a student file server and i would like to add cloud access to it. Basically i would like our students to have access to the same files at home that they have at school. This would allow them to start an asignment at home, finish it at school, and print it off without having to worry about losing their usb drive. I want it housed on our servers for backups and ease of access for our teachers when necessary. I have looked at Moodle but it has way to many layers that we are not interested in. I would like something like squirrel mail. A simple web login that then gives you access to your samba managed files. I have repeatedly searched for such capabilities but i have not found any that fit what i outlined above. Is there such a program out there? Thanks for your thoughts! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
